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    Raleigh XXIX, Redline Monocog, Haro Mary SS, Motobecane Outcast 29er, or?

    Looking at picking up a steel framed SS 29er for fun, simple, quiet riding on some of the light to medium trails. I want 29er wheels, preferably disc brakes, and a suspension fork....I realize that these bikes don't come with front suspension, but that can be added now or later. Don't think that my hands and wrists can handle a rigid fork off-road.

    After much reading around it seems these are some of the top choices....Raleigh XXIX, Redline Monocog Flight, Haro Mary SS, Motobecane Outcast 29er, or?

    Today I sat on a red Raleigh XXIX in Large size and rode it around the bike shop....instantly felt very comfortable and a great looking bike! I think that I like EBB best for chain tension adjustment....nice to not worry about rear wheel alignment or slipping. Well when I got home this evening and researched....it appears red color is 2007 model, dark blue is 2008 model, baby blue is the 2009 model (only year of this frame with corrected geometry for 80mm suspension fork). How does the 2009 ride and fit compared to the 2007?

    2009 Raleigh XXIX:
    http://www.raleighusa.com/xxix/

    Didn't find specs and geometry for the 2007

    Redline Monocog Flight 29er:
    http://www.redlinebicycles.com/adult...ight-29er.html

    Motobecane Outcast 29er:
    http://www.motobecane.com/MBUSAo29.html

    Haro Mary SS:
    http://www.harobikes.com/mtb/tab2_subNav5.php

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    Maybe ad the GT Peace 9r to your list?

    http://www.gtbicycles.com/usa/eng/Pr...ard-Tail/#5802

    I ride the 2008er since January, and I like it

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    Add the regular Monocog to your list. Along with the Outcast, best bang for the buck, if you can find one for under 5 clams. If money's not so much an issue, I'd be going with the Jabber

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    I've read that some EBB's can be problematic,so I would check into that before I assumed it's the "best" way for chain adjustment...just a thought (never had a prob outta my trackends).
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    Raleigh for shore

    +1 for the XXIX

    I have one (2008 in a large), my boss has one (2007 large), and my best friend has the Redline. I definitely like the Raleigh better than the Redline, which makes sense, because the Raleigh comes with a better parts spec.

    I like Raleigh as a company better as well, I had some hassle with the shipping company damaging the frame before I even got it, and to make a long story short, Raleigh got me a new frame in two days. The Raleigh has my vote (not at all swayed by the fact that I work at a shop that sells Raleighs )

    None of the bikes you listed are terribly light, but all are great bikes. You can't go wrong with a 29er SS, so get one and get ready to have a ball

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    All great suggestions, keep em coming. Problem with buying just a frame, is I want to ride one at least around the parking lot before I buy it....difficult to do with some of these bikes. Money matters, but better to buy the right bike first time....hard to justify $1600 for an SS though....the Felt Nine Solo is $1649??? Uh, there's less parts on the bike...shouldn't it cost less than my geared suspended bikes?

    Wish more shops carried steel SS 29ers around here........

    EDIT: I really need to ride before I buy.....only rode 2009 Felt Nine Solo and 2007 Raleigh XXIX so far. I would try the rigid fork at least for a little while, but prolly want Reba for long-term use....most trails around here are not that smooth. Disc brakes really are nice for when the rim is kinda out of true....steel seems like nicer riding, but don't know first-hand. Looking for best value and upgradeable without needing immediate rebuild.

    Ride and maintenance input is appreciated too.
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    If you want a steel frame like you mentioned in your post then you should remove the Motobecane Outcast from your list. I have an 08' Redline Flight and other than the paint being a little thin it's been an awesome bike. I put a suspension fork on it but may go back to rigid because of the precise steering and compliant ride. The sliding drop outs haven't given me any problems like slippage and such plus the bike is very versatile because it comes with the options to run gears if SS isn't for you plus the bike comes with solid components for the price. I payed $780 out the door.

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    We love them all... hard to pick just one.

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    Good deals to be had on a Voodoo Dambala 29er. Treefort

    Whats your budget? You can get one for $799 and throw some BB7s on for like $50 a wheel. Suspension corrected for 100mm. Pick up a Manitou Drake for $330ish.

    Steel, SS, 100mm fork, discs for 1200 aint bad!

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    +1 for the XXIX Also. I take mine on some medium to heavy stuff, and gets by just great! But my brakes suck (the 07's had the bb5's), You cant really go wrong with any of the above mentioned though. The Raleigh is definitely pretty cheap compared to most, but still has a decent parts spec. I think mine was 750, just too bad they didn't continue with the dirty red paintjob. Quick side note, can anyone still get decals for the 2007 XXIX?

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    i've been looking at the same stuff. i know you said you wanted a 4130 frame but check out the nashbar 9er. the new se stout looks pretty good as well. i would put my money on GT Peace 9er if your gonna spend $700-$800.
    of course my opinion is the right one, thats why I have it.
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    $400 is just the down payment on an Outcast

    I have an Outcast 29er. It's cheap and fun. I rode the heck out of it on some tough trails. Cheap, no name hubs will need lots of maintenance and will wear out. No disc tabs either. After the money I spent on it, it would buy a Redline next time from a local shop.

    Replaced so far: rear axle, rear hub, grips, chain, freewheels, brake pads, pedals.
    Want to upgrade, but not worth it: 175 or 180mm cranks, wider bars, better stem, suspension fork (frame not suspension corrected), disc brakes (need fork + rear disc adapter + front disc hub)

    I still ride it to the park and enjoy it, but now I have another 29er for real rides. At this point, I wouldn't sell it because it's not worth much money. Forget about the warranty too. It's not worth the paper it's written on. You'll pay the freight if there are any problems.

    OTOH, for tooling around and light use, it's a great price. I never got a chance to try it as a fixie before the rear hub crapped out on me.

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    +1 for the Redline. It is the more trail-worthy compared to the Raleigh. Brakes will be your first upgrade. Bigger wheels will reveal the weaknesses of most mechanical brakes, so expect this. Suspension...? maybe? ... you may find that you don't need it for your described use (light to medium trail). The Haro and Motobecane don't belong on the same short-list with with Raleigh and Redline, but that isn't exactly obvious to newer riders as a lot of these forums treat them as being equivalent. I also like the Kona geometry in this price-point. Also: consider the disk-ready RL Monocog with an immediate brake upgrade. -something nice that gaps the price difference to the Flight a bit, but comes out way on top in performance.

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    I will probably be picking up my raleigh this weekend, ill let you know what i think. I already rode it a bit at the lbs. I can hop decently on it which is more than i thought i would be able to do lol. This will be my first 29er as well as my first SS. im getting the blue 08 model.

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    Another vote for the Raleigh XXIX

    Be good to yourself and get the Raleigh. I am on my second season on my Raleigh and love it. I have upgraded the brakes and wheel set, but I couldn't be happier with the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vindiggitydog
    Be good to yourself and get the Raleigh. I am on my second season on my Raleigh and love it. I have upgraded the brakes and wheel set, but I couldn't be happier with the bike.
    did you have the wtb speed disc wheels? were they heavy? what did you go with?

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    Chanting in unison with SSdaveo:

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    Surly, Vassago

    I couldn't agree more. However, neither of these fit the original criteria of being "test-rideable", stock bikes.

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    Why wouldn't the Haro belong on this list??? I love mine.. although mine is far from stock (I picked it up used that way). I can say for certain I would rather it over the original four.. and highly doubt the Vassago if similiarly equipped has any perceivable difference..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leethal
    Why wouldn't the Haro belong on this list??? I love mine.. although mine is far from stock (I picked it up used that way). I can say for certain I would rather it over the original four.. and highly doubt the Vassago if similiarly equipped has any perceivable difference..
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    What is the question GSO??? That Wet Cat Geometry isn't all that different... just a name. The Haro has shorter stays and a steeper headangle, both use Double butted Steel... both have similiar BB height and very short head-tubes...

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    So the Haro' geo is the SAME as the Vassago's?
    Similar isn't the same........the sum adds up to much larger than any one on it's own.
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    Your right it handles worse than a Mary...LOL

    Actually my real point was that the Haro is a great bargain for the money and in my opinion is better than the Redline, Raleigh and Motobecane by far.

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    The Raleigh Rips

    I've been riding my xxix since April and I love it. Two of my riding buddies test rode it and each bought one too. I've done a few upgrades using parts that I alresdy had. Now I'm planning on a carbon fork(exotic) and new wheels(xt/flow) with new tires(rampage/fire). The stock wheels aren't too heavy, but the stouts are.I rode them to death.If you want to save some weight, swap them out. If you want grip, keep them. If I can, I'll do the brakes. Right now they work fine and that can wait. It's just a fun bike at a great price. I don't even mind spending a few bucks on upgrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leethal
    Your right it handles worse than a Mary...LOL

    Actually my real point was that the Haro is a great bargain for the money and in my opinion is better than the Redline, Raleigh and Motobecane by far.
    Bargains = Good.

    My Vassago handles awesome FWIW.

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    the raleigh is a piece of ****. sorry. i bought one new the first year they came out, from the rep. i begged him for one. only the shop manager and I were able to get them before release. i was so stoked. it came w/ bb5s not bb7s. and the ebb sucked, nothing kept it from slipping. i hated it, i sold it after less than half a season. boss also sold his. maybe they have improved it the past two years. i had a redline and it was great, shouldnt have let it go.

    my advice is, get the redline. make sure if the bike you get doesnt have disc, it at least has tabs for later upgrading.

    motobee is a garbage internet brand anymore. i dont know much about the haro. i used to ride haro bmx as a kid and they were a name then but i dont know what the are doing now.

    test ride as much as possible!

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    I'm surprised you had that kinda trouble. I have none of those issues, and have been riding mine for 2 seasons.

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    cool

    yeah i will say my friend in fruita, CO has the XXIX and loves it. I def. had a bad experience and was dying to get rid of mine OTOH, but results may vary. still +1 redline

    test ride, test ride, test ride, friends, shops, anyones on the trail.

    motob-no!
    haro-rather you didnt
    raliegh- ok but cheapy ebb=sketch
    gt- a pacific but ok
    redline-my choice
    any of the last three for value.

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    My search two years ago was very similar to yours and I wound up with the Haro Mary SS.

    The Redline/Haro decision was very close and it was a matter of a component or two and a deal I could not refuse on a demo Haro that finalized my decision.

    Component-wise I opted for the Haro because I really wanted the On One Mary bars and the 18" frame came with 180mm cranks. The EBB has not given me an ounce of trouble in all the miles I have ridden in the past two years.

    As of now the bike has several parts changes including BB7 brakes, an On One carbon fork, Surly 18T cog, XT skewers, and Rampage/Nanoraptor tires front and rear.

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    I just got a Haro Mary SS and I love it as well. I have a Cannondale F29 Two for when I want suspension and gears. All of my buddies ride a Haro Mary and I know why now. I love my Cannondale but after my first ride on my Haro I thought to myself its gonna be hard deciding which bike to take out each day. My Haro is stock as of now and is my first SS rigid. Upgrades are coming (Avid Elixir R breakset, Origin 8 fork, ghetto tubeless with the stock tires, and a carbon handlebar). After those upgrades up front, I'll only replace components if they break. HARO MARY SS, buy it!!

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    My XXIX (2007) has been great. No EBB problems, BB5s are fine. The paint chips easily, and I finally destroyed the stock headset. Oh, stock seatpost was definitely too short on my medium frame.

    Any ss 29er is just stupid fun either way.

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    Still searching..........HOw about the new Haro Ally SS 29er? Anybody own one or ride it yet? Not sure about going rigid though.....
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    Just bought a Mary SS a few weeks ago and love it! Been riding a Trek HT for years but the Mary brings new life to old things! So far I have no complaints, added my spd pedals, ordered an eXotic carbon fork and am ready to roll. The SS is amazing, love the steel, and it really is a great deal! I got mine at a "its good to know somebody" discount but I would have paid full price for the bike. Just do it!

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    I've got an outcast 29er. With the exception of the water bottle cages, handle bars, stem, and grips its all stock. Honestly for the money I have zero complaints. If it had cost more I'd be a little upset with the headset (feels notchy) and the rear hub (although riding fixed gear on the flat gully trails behind my house is fun). The biggest downside for me is that affordable pre-built wheels with good hubs are hard to find with clincher rims. All the wheelsets I've seen in my price range are disc only and the bike doesn't have disc tabs.

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    Well i have been riding my XXIX for about a month now and i love it. I tried to ride my old bike and i felt like it was a kids bike, just cant do it anymore. I have built some climbing power pretty fast on the SS. I took off a week because of weather and then went riding yesterday and the bike felt really really light. The bike is amazing for the preice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkmage
    I've got an outcast 29er. With the exception of the water bottle cages, handle bars, stem, and grips its all stock. Honestly for the money I have zero complaints. If it had cost more I'd be a little upset with the headset (feels notchy) and the rear hub (although riding fixed gear on the flat gully trails behind my house is fun). The biggest downside for me is that affordable pre-built wheels with good hubs are hard to find with clincher rims. All the wheelsets I've seen in my price range are disc only and the bike doesn't have disc tabs.
    My roomate has the Outcast 29er; his is the '09 frame only option with the sliding dropouts.

    He runs his geared with an '09 Tora; this frame is definitely solid, but I think it has paid the least attention to geometries critical to 29er frames. If you were going to look for a SS, rigid, aluminum 29er, this is a good way to go. Plus his frame was $190, dirt cheap.

    I am currently considering a lightweight 29er commuter; I ride jump bikes and am generally pretty tough on my rides; I've narrowed it down to a Redline Flight 29er frame (so I can get sliders) or the GT.

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    Diesel, welcome to XXIX-land... I love mine and it has performed many duties. I have had a 9-spd wheel built for the rear with a hanger from the XXIX+G and used it for the Telluride-Moab hut trip, done a bazillion rides around here on it for over 2 years, etc... I cracked my frame about a month ago, and took it back to the shop - Raleigh had a new frame to me in 4 days. Outstanding customer service for a "cheap" bike. I literally do not ride any of my other ATB's any longer. And I am still rocking the stock rigid fork after 2+ years. My advice, use a big, grippy tire in front, something that hooks up but rolls fast in the rear (I like the Spec Captain 2.2 so far, Exiwolf was pretty good on back too) and ride the hell out of it. Really fun bike. I've upgraded my brakes to Juicy Carbons off one of my FS bikes, and cranks are now Shimano Deore LX, a different stem and the Jones-design Titec "J Bars" and it works everywhere for me. Enjoy your ride!
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    Been on a Mary for over a year, couldn't be happier, easily worth more than msrp, take one look at the chainstays. Ride quality and handling is amazing. It is considered a clone of the 26" WTB Phoenix, one of the finest trail bikes ever. The Ally is Aluminum, not great for rigid.

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    I have to agree with Moementum on the "aluminum / rigid" thing. Except for maybe Scandium, which has a higher modulus of elasticity, Aluminum hardtails tend to be pretty harsh, and are prone to cracking compared to steel... (and I've cracked a cro-moly frame!). If aluminum was good at flexing, they would make springs out of it, as it is lighter than steel. They don't make springs out of aluminum. Make a great, lighter stiff chassis for a FS bike, as the pivots, springs and shocks soak up most of the load. For rigid go steel or Ti, but you won't find the latter for cheap!
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    Not sure that I'd keep it rigid forever. Might swap to Tora, Reba, or? Not sure I really trust carbon rigid forks.....and never ridden one to see how well they track and how much trail chatter they actually absorb.

    The Haro Ally SS fork is chromoly suspension corrected. Anybody know the weight of the factory fork? I really like disc brakes over rim brakes for better stopping power and relatively inexpensive replacement wheelsets widely available.

    Mary SS looks nice too (MSRP $960) ....but $200 more than Ally SS (MSRP $765). Trying to keep this bike low budget but upgradeable and upgrade worthy.

    Mainly looking for a fun dedicated 29er SS that rides well, upgradeble (and upgrade worthy,) that won't break the bank. Having a hard time deciding cause there are so many options....guess that's a good thing! Thinking of light trail use and bike paths mostly....but that could change depending on the bike.....maybe Mary is worth it? Or?

    2009 Raleigh XXIX looks interesting:

    rice $$$$
    Sizes SM, MD, LG, XL
    Frame 4130 Butted Cr-Mo w/CNC Dropouts, Replaceable EBB Insert
    Cranks Truvativ Fire X SS 33t w/alloy guard
    Bottom Bracket Truvativ GXP External Bearing
    F. Derailleur
    R. Derailleur
    Shifter
    Brake Levers Avid FR-5
    Brakes Avid BB5 Mecahincal Disc 185/160mm Rotors
    Rims WTB Speed Disc All Mtn
    Tires WTB Stout 29x2.3"
    Pedals Avenir ATB Resin Platform
    Handlebar Easton EA50 Riser 31.8
    Stem Avenir 200 Series
    Seatpost Avenir 200 Series 27.2x400mm
    Seat WTB Laser V Comp
    Headset Ahead 1-1/8
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    I paid 800 at lbs for the Mary, you should be able to find a similar deal. You also might be able to get a used deal online. Others have done that. The Mary bars are a nice touch, very comfortable with good control. I added road bar tape over the stock grips. The frame can also accept a rear derailleur if you choose to go that way, I switch back and forth to 1x9. I rode fs for ten years and don't miss it at all, trails are rocky and technical, tire pressure is key.

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    We need a XXIX national group ride. Get those dirty red heads out!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleThreat
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    I second this suggestion. The 2009 frame is lighter than previous years.

    ...and Kona has a great warranty.

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    OK, another bike to the mix...how about a Jamis Dragon One (29er)?

    It has horizontal drop-outs and Reynolds 520 steel frame.

    http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebik...dragonone.html
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    Jamis is a good bike, too. While I was shopping, I wanted a solid frame and track ends. Monocog was the best fit for me. I like the geometry, fit and the price. I felt the Flight was not worth the upgrade (although very nice) and didn't like the sliding drop outs. I say test ride as many as possible and buy one to your liking.

    FYI, the 2007 Raleigh XXIX is not suspension corrected, just in case you were thinking of running a front fork still.

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    Check out Soul Cycles (www.ridesoul.com) as they may still have some discounted frames left. I picked up a Hooligan (comes with an EBB) and have only had if for a few weeks, but could not be more pleased. My ride is 22.18lbs (with pedals) and a blast to ride. Plus you are buying something made in the US (o.k., the Easton Tubing comes from Taiwan). Still, worth checking out; I am glad I did.
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    Rode the Haro Ally SS in 18" and 20" sizes and it feels really nice!

    20" frame fits best....need to find a Mary SS to ride for the steel vs. aluminum frame comparison. Thinkin it would be really nice to get a softer ride for some of the trail chatter around here. The Ally bars are different and seem to actually bend down slightly at the ends of the bar...kinda different feel to it not sure if I like that. The Mary is same frame geometry but different bars, if I go with Mary and don't like em they are easy to swap out.

    I've never ridden a steel frame....input please....is it worth another $300? I can get a good deal on the Ally since it's in stock. What would you buy and why?
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    I'd buy the Mary. Actually, I have a Mary SS and I bought it because the steel is so awesome over the aluminum. I ride my steel rigid more that my aluminum Cannondale with the Lefty. Go with the STEEL.

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