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    New bike questions

    Okay guys, i've been beating the hell out of my two new ss rides and love them. I've noticed that my converted rincon is a bit too large for me so i'm going to purchase a nashbar frame and swap most of the parts over to it.
    I'd like to know what forks, headsets, and cranksets ya'll would suggest for a low budget build. I'm not too worried about weight since swapping the frame and going rigid will drop some already. Also what chain tensioners do you suggest? Push up, pull down, chainstay mounted, or should i look into seeing if a EBB will fit the frame?

    The giant has a 100mm squish on the front and i'm trying to keep the total under $500 for the parts i mentioned
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosCelt View Post
    Okay guys, i've been beating the hell out of my two new ss rides and love them. I've noticed that my converted rincon is a bit too large for me so i'm going to purchase a nashbar frame and swap most of the parts over to it.
    I'd like to know what forks, headsets, and cranksets ya'll would suggest for a low budget build. I'm not too worried about weight since swapping the frame and going rigid will drop some already. Also what chain tensioners do you suggest? Push up, pull down, chainstay mounted, or should i look into seeing if a EBB will fit the frame?

    The giant has a 100mm squish on the front and i'm trying to keep the total under $500 for the parts i mentioned
    If I were you, I would just get a dedicated SS frame. Tensioners all have their quirks and can cause more headaches than not. SS is about simplicity, so I would try to remove as much moving parts as possible.

    Just a suggestion - For $500, why not go with a complete build? Redline Monocog (26 or 29) can be had for that, brand new. Or there are many SS completes available on here, CL, ebay, etc.

    If you want to build (which is fun, but more costly up front), get something like an On One frame (On One Inbred 26er Single Speed Ltd Edition) and go from there. If you keep an eye on the classifieds here and on your local CL, you can build the rest for $250 with the parts you've already got.

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    The reason i'm not buying a ss specific frame is cost, for the price and reviews i've found nothing compares to the nashbar (for the price). My Giant is a magic gear that i added a no name tensioner to with no problems and i have an 04 monocog. The reason i'm asking these questions is I want to do it myself and i will be swapping most all of the parts from the giant to the new frame. If i was going to buy a new ss frame i'd just save and buy a carve sl and go from there.

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    Okay, I went to the link for the Inbred that Psycle posted (thanks for the link) and the only problem i saw was that they specifically say "may not work with some mechanical brakes". That was one of the parts i was swapping from the Giant to the new bike. I've got a set of Tektro HO's on the bike and was curious if anyone knows if those are included in that disclaimer or if i'm just going to have to hope and pray they fit if i go with that frame.

    That aside i think i may have persuaded to change frames it's only $150 more and about 1.5lbs heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosCelt View Post
    Okay, I went to the link for the Inbred that Psycle posted (thanks for the link) and the only problem i saw was that they specifically say "may not work with some mechanical brakes". That was one of the parts i was swapping from the Giant to the new bike. I've got a set of Tektro HO's on the bike and was curious if anyone knows if those are included in that disclaimer or if i'm just going to have to hope and pray they fit if i go with that frame.
    On One Inbred frames have the rear brake mounts between the CS (chainstay) and SS (seat stay), which makes it difficult to fit mechanical disc calipers on there, as the top bolt usually won't clear the SS. Hydro's are preferred, but I have seen people make BB7's work. Don't know about Tektro HO's.

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    If i don't destroy my budget with the more expensive frame what would be a good hydro disc set for fairly cheap? I know i've seen some for a few hundred each and i don't have that much

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    I found a set of shimano on amazon for fairly cheap Amazon.com: Shimano 2012 BR-M445 Hydraulic Disc Brake, No Rotor - Front, White: Sports & Outdoors would that be a viable choice I also found a set of tektro dracos which didn't seem to be too bad.

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    Okay so if the brakes don't work i'll address that when i get the frame in. So now i go back to the original questions. Fork, crankset, and headset. I said screw it i will sleep in the doghouse for a bit i'm not counting the frame in my $500 budget.

    The axle to crown length on my bike is roughly 490mm with a 100mm shock what length should the rigid fork be for the inbred since it's rated for a 120mm fork? Something tells me it isn't as easy as just adding 20mm.
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    Not to complicate your situation, but if I were you, rather than the On One frame, I'd get a Surly 1x1 frameset. Bicycleoutfittersindy usually has 20% off coupons floating around. If so, that would be about $380 for the frame and fork (so a bit more expensive than $250 on one frame plus $80 fork). With this set up, you CAN use the Tektro brakes for sure, so that saves some cash. You can even go rim brakes, if you want. The frame is more versatile, as you can also go 650b if you wish. Some have even fit 29er wheels in there.

    If you can't find the 20% off coupon, you can at least use 15% coupon listed right on the site.

    As far as headset, get a Cane Creek S3 on ebay for ~$30 and for cranks, you can just use the same one on from your old bike. If you want a new set, it depends on what you want--square taper, ext BB, etc. I personally use Shimano HTII (ext bearing) which can be had for pretty cheap (less than $100).

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    Ah, can't edit for some reason. Here is the link:

    Surly 1x1 Frameset 18" Cash Black

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    Phsycle, you have been an amazing help. I like the 1x1 but that really puts me out of what i can fudge with on the frame, when i went to the site they only had a 15% and it isn't valid on frames. I'm looking at a external bearing splined bb, it's a howitzer that comes with a truativ dh ss crankset on ebay for <$70 just trying to do some digging on it. The ones on the giant don't like a 250lbs exweightlifter mashing them. i've already twisted one crank arm in the time i've had the bike.

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    Is that right? 1060g for a cromo frame? If that's right i may be single very shortly.

    Also while you have been a huge help i currently hate you. I was perfectly content with my original frame then you had to come at me with logic.

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    Most cromo frames are 4-5+ lbs. What you're looking at may be for the fork only.

    I guess BOI stopped including frames on the discount. Fortunately, Universal Cycles has a 15% off coupon (springride15), which brings the frameset cost to $400. Again, little more than On One, but not by much. Especially if that means not having to fork out $100 for brakes.

    Cranks - You don't need DH cranks. You don't even need SS-specific cranks. Most cranks should work. I'm sure you can find a good deal in the classifieds or the "Swap" thread here. You will need a SS chainring, though, which are $20-30.

    Regarding blowing your budget--welcome to the club. I started with a $175 SS years and years ago, and now I'm up to 5 SS's and about $5k.

    EDIT: What size are you? There is a GT Peace complete in the classifieds for $300. Strip it down, sell off what you don't need, then you've got a nice SS and way ahead in budget. And yes, it's a slow day at work today...

    gt peace singlespeed medium size - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

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    I'm 5'10'' with a 6'2'' reach and 250lbs. I was looking at that crankset simply for the fact it's sub $70. I was reading on the inbred and it says they redid the frame so it now fits more of the mechanical discs. I really like that crankset and the inbred frame. If i have to buy hydros i'm okay with that i'll just wait to finish it. I'm thinking i'm fairly set on that. What carbon fork would you suggest for that frame? I was thinking a White Bros.

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    This is the link to the crankset and it comes with the howitzer bb. Truvativ Hussefelt DH 170mm Crankset 38t w Howitzer DH 83mm BB OE Packaging | eBay

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    Truativ Husselfelt with howitzer bb $64
    Cane Creek 40 Series headset $45
    White Brothers Rock Solid 490mm $282
    Shimano BR-M445 Hydraulic Disc Brake Pair set $ 100

    All said and done i'm at $491 without the knick knacks. Does that sound like a decent build for the inbred frame?

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    I got an e-mail today from Cambria Bike Outfitters with frames up to 83% off.

    They had Stout SE singlespeed 29" frames, alum. or cro mo for 150.00 bucks.

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    Glynn thanks for the heads up i will have to try that site again as my computer apparently is biased against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosCelt View Post
    This is the link to the crankset and it comes with the howitzer bb. Truvativ Hussefelt DH 170mm Crankset 38t w Howitzer DH 83mm BB OE Packaging | eBay
    That BB is 83mm for DH bikes with 150mm rear axles, you'd still need to get a 68/73mm BB for a normal frame with a 135mm rear axle, otherwise the chainline will be whacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glynn Sluder View Post
    I got an e-mail today from Cambria Bike Outfitters with frames up to 83% off.

    They had Stout SE singlespeed 29" frames, alum. or cro mo for 150.00 bucks.
    I believe he has a 26" frame currently. This would mean getting a new wheelset as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosCelt View Post
    Truativ Husselfelt with howitzer bb $64
    Cane Creek 40 Series headset $45
    White Brothers Rock Solid 490mm $282
    Shimano BR-M445 Hydraulic Disc Brake Pair set $ 100

    All said and done i'm at $491 without the knick knacks. Does that sound like a decent build for the inbred frame?
    As said above, DH cranks won't work. Plenty of Shimano or Truvativ cranks for cheap that will, though.

    Not sure why you want to spend more money than necessary on a headset, but sure, get the 40. S3 will work just as well.

    490mm fork is waaaaaaay too long for a 26" frame. Again, I'm confused why you're willing to spend almost $300 for a fork alone when you can get a good frameset for $400 or less.

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    I was considering using the 40 series because i've seen it perform and it's taken beating after beating and never let him down and that's about half what my friend paid for it. I'll find a different set of cranks (after digging i found a set of Deora hollowtechs in my box).
    I'm "willing" to spend that much on the fork because i'd like to have a carbon fork. I know i can get a Cromo fork for less than $100 but if someone can give me a good reason to ditch the carbon besides the price i'd be interested to hear it. Also there's a very good chance i can get a carbon fork for free if things play out right.
    I'm going to go with the inbred i just posted alist of parts i found quickly as a starting point. The fork was picked in that length because it's 1mm longer than what's on the bike now when locked out. So if someone can show me a cheaper list without compromising strength and quality please do. Again i'd like to use a carbon fork but i'm not against steel three of the bikes in my house have them.
    And the Cane Creek S3 is only $10 cheaper and i found better reviews on the 40 series.

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    After looking at the budget, previous posts, and considering what has been said I think i have a basic starting point.

    On-one Inbred frame
    On-one Cro-mo MTB fork
    Race face SS ring and Blackspire bashguard for my deora cranks
    Cane creek 40 series headset
    Sinz SS cogset
    Truativ T20 riser bars
    Truativ 0 degree Husselfelt stem
    Aluminum stem spacers
    Niner wisecracker spacer ring (just because)

    I appreciate the help. Phsycle if at any point you felt i was being a ****** i apologize and i am very thankful for your insight. And an FYI all those parts shipped to my door came in at a grand total of $580. As soon as my taxes come in i will be ordering all the parts...unless someone convinces me to spend more money, and putting the bike together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosCelt View Post
    After looking at the budget, previous posts, and considering what has been said I think i have a basic starting point.

    On-one Inbred frame
    On-one Cro-mo MTB fork
    Race face SS ring and Blackspire bashguard for my deora cranks
    Cane creek 40 series headset
    Sinz SS cogset
    Truativ T20 riser bars
    Truativ 0 degree Husselfelt stem
    Aluminum stem spacers
    Niner wisecracker spacer ring (just because)

    I appreciate the help. Phsycle if at any point you felt i was being a ****** i apologize and i am very thankful for your insight. And an FYI all those parts shipped to my door came in at a grand total of $580. As soon as my taxes come in i will be ordering all the parts...unless someone convinces me to spend more money, and putting the bike together.
    List looks better. Again, I don't think a carbon fork would benefit much. Some forks are pretty flexy, which is a good or bad thing.

    The only item I wouldn't get is the Sinz SS cogset. If these are what you're looking at:

    Universal Cycles -- Sinz Cog Set

    they are stamped cogs. Which means: 1) they will tear up your freehub body. Cogs like Surly have a wide base, which helps keeping this to a minimum. 2) might as well just tear up an old cassette and use those cogs instead. Free and does the same thing. Just make sure your chainline is good (see sticky in this forum).

    Few months ago, I bought some Groove Armada Cogs for $10 each at On One. They seem to be of good quality, although I have not had much time on them.

    One other thing--my wife has an Inbred. Make sure you check the TT length. They run long compared to the seat tube.

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    Was actually counting on the longer tt length. I am gettin an 18" but with my monkey arms the longer tt and short stem "should" be perfect.

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    Good advice on the Groove Armada cogs, I've got two of them. Put about 600 miles on the 17t so far and it still looks great. Wide enough bases and now only 13 bucks.

    On-One Groove Armada Single Speed Sprocket

    Uh oh, just looked and 17t is as many teeth as they have available right now.

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    Okay so i swapped out the sinz for the groove cogs and tossed a 15t, 16t, and 17t into the cart to go along with the 36t chainring. That gives me from a 2.1:1 gearing up to a 2.4:11 and i'm currently riding a 42:19 which is a 2.2:1. The ett of the inbred in an 18" frame is 602mm or just under 1' 11''. That sounds very doable for the length of my arms but i was curious what most ya'll are running. I'm about to go take that measurement from my Giant and my Monocog and see where they fall.

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    I found my measuring device this morning and i checked the ETT of my Monocog and it's 23'' and my 20'' Giant Rincon has an ETT of 22''. That just concretes the choice of the 18'' inbred which has the 23'' tt. I was considering the 16'' frame but the top tube i think would be too short.

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    Okay, so i ordered all of my parts Tuesday night and they start arriving tomorrow. I went ahead and got the on one armada cogs in a 16t and 17t. And Physcle i have to thank you again going with the chromo fork left me enough extra that i was able to pick up a set of new 2012 Elixir 1's with rotors for less than $90. Everything sans Elixirs will be here by Tuesday next week
    Which raises a question...how does one cope with the waiting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosCelt View Post
    Which raises a question...how does one cope with the waiting?
    How about going for a ride "on one" of the bikes thats assembled while you wait to build your On One?

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    Except it's pouring down rain and i am a big guy who rides hard and i really don't like destroying trails. If it was dry i'd be all over that. But i do love the play on words, well played good sir well played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosCelt View Post
    The ett of the inbred in an 18" frame is 602mm or just under 1' 11''.
    Late, I know, but 602mm is 23.7".

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    CC, my son-in-law built up an 18" inbred w/white bros rigid fork and I love the sizing. Im tall and long of arms too and have 3 21 inch frames and 2 20 inch frames and his 18 incher feels great! They do run a little long in the front triangle and he runs an 80mm stem whereas I run 90mm and the on-one doesn't feel cramped at all. It's great geometry I think you will love...now the waiting part...sorry, that's just gonna suck.
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    I have a DIY build question. I've aquired a homemade headset press tool (love homedepot) and i was curious about facing the headset and bb shell. Any one know a way to do this without buying that high dollar tool or is the razor blade the only way?

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    Facing/chasing should be done at a shop or with the proper tool, if you know how to use it. Something you don't want to cheap out on. I just take it to a local shop. But my Inbred already came faced, so I just installed the HS and BB as is.

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    Did your's come from the site you suggested me too? Mine was supposed to be here yesterday but alas still no frame. Reason i ask is i work almost all week so i could do it after work.

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    Okay, I have another question. I am using a set of square taper Deore Hollowtechs. I do not have the original crank bolts. I know i can buy them if they have them in town but i have five or six pairs of normal crank bolts and washers in my parts bin. Can I use a standard crank bolt and washer on the Hollowtechs or do i need to go digging and see if i can find a pair of the right ones?

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    Okay so here is what i have so far. My bars are here but i'm still waiting on my stem, spacers, seat post (that one's off my monocog), chainring and bashguard. I got my rear brake to work fine even though it's a mechanical. Once i tension it with the cable it pulls the arm off the frame, i'm going to add a "bump stop" to keep it from hitting metal. I ran into the problem of having a post front brake and the fork is a different tab system so i'm currently on the hunt for an adapter that works/can be modified to work.
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    I can't wait to see it finished. Hopefully the USPS will stop screwing off and will bring my stem and spacers soon.

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    It's almost done!

    Now I'm just waiting on the brake adapter and time off to get to the lbs and grab my Lizard Skin lock ons and a seat clamp. I can't wait to get it out and abuse it.
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    Okay so i bought the bottom bracket before the bike showed up and it was all they had. (Shop owners as riding buddies means it was cheap) Yeah really tight clearance on the 36t was a bit worried at first.

    Now if this pesky job would quit interfering with my riding time.
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    I wanna ride that!

    CC - looking good! That bike just plain looks like a good time That's the LTD edition SS only Inbred frame right? That is the On One frame that interests me most and would order myself. ALL their stuff is pretty damn nice. I had a Scandal frame I was going to build up with the SS swap-out drop outs but wound up doing my Vassago build and gave it to my son-in-law to build as a companion to his Inbred he did last year. I like the SS only LTD frame because it just looks "cleaner" (IMHO) without all the other standoffs for shift and brake lines that the SS does not require.

    I don't know who I'm fooling...I'm still going to grab one of those LTD frames and build one but I have to wait a little bit as I just finished the Chupa Cabra and if I did an LTD right now, either friends or family would file commitment papers on me. Gotta wait for it to cool down LOL so I will build one vicariously through your build pics and they won't even notice

    Somehow I think it's safer for them being in the UK because their whole business model and pricing provides a very high quality product at a fraction of many others' comparable stuff. In the US the "super top secret rape and pillage everyone's wallet evil price fixing consortium" would have already hired an arson. Sometimes a black helicopter is a black helicopter. Keep posting the pics, pretty cool already.
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    God'sfavoritebike, I've changed out the grips for my lizardskin lockons now if the USPS will quit dicking around and get my brake adapter it will be done until i start upgrading. I have the whole weekend off so IF the adapter shows up prior to friday i will be on it all weekend.

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    Looks good, man. Your LBS should have those brake adapters for $3-4 each, I believe.

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    They don't, i went to all of them the IO's have a specific adapter. They had the basic shimano, avid, and tektro but none of them fit.

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