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    Hub choice?

    Having some 650B wheels built up soon. LBS is suggesting using XT hubs and spacers. Buddy says to go with DT. Wallet says no to DT.

    What's your favorite wallet friendly SS hub?

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    Hope, or Stan's 3.30SS (if you want a pre-built wheelset) would be my choices...

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    Thanks, pretty much a newb around here. Lot more lurking than posting.

    AFTER posting my question there was a similar thread at the bottom with a Hope vs. King question. Hope seems to be coming thumbs up more than others.

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    Re: Hub choice?

    Hope are killer for ss.
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    Hope or King for color and bling. Surly for your wallet's benefit.
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    The Hope SS Trails hub is nicer than their multi-speed hub IMO...steel freehub body and twice the engagement points.

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    I've had good luck with my Hope Pro2 SS/Trials hubs. (with the narrow freehub and spacers). Some have managed to break a pawl or spring, so I have a spare set that I haven't needed yet. On mine, the bolts are not the greatest, but I haven't had real problems with them. I've seen pics of cracked hubs, too. Apparently, all have been warrantied.

    XT hubs can be quite good but their bearing arrangement requires relatively frequent maintenance and adjustment.

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    Thanks all! Hope is sounding real good to me.

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    I have Surly on my SS with a freewheel in the back....front hub was a little loose but no issues after adjustment, and this was before I even rode it once.

    I have XT on my geared bike and not a single issue. I made sure the bearings were OK before I rode them for the first time. Rock solid so far, this will be summer season #2 on them. Everyone seems to think your spending every Saturday adjusting Shimano hubs before/after rides....this just isnt the case, If you adjust them properly you should have no issues....and adjusting them properly takes some finesse but its not hard. XT or SLX should be good and easy on your finances. YMMV. Happy wheel building!
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    Go Hope SS hub, I have been rocking one on my SS for years and it has been flawless, just built a 29er SS up and got another Hope SS rear hub, this was actually one of the newer NRB ones.

    Have a look on the various forums for a second hand one or wheelset with one, I got a fantastic set of Hopes on some No Tubes rims for less than half the cost of having hem built new
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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    I've had good luck with my Hope Pro2 SS/Trials hubs. (with the narrow freehub and spacers). Some have managed to break a pawl or spring, so I have a spare set that I haven't needed yet. On mine, the bolts are not the greatest, but I haven't had real problems with them. I've seen pics of cracked hubs, too. Apparently, all have been warrantied.

    XT hubs can be quite good but their bearing arrangement requires relatively frequent maintenance and adjustment.
    Do you have an older model? I ask since many had issue with the bolts. The bolts on all of mine are huge, strong beasts. The head is deep allowing for great purchase on the wench. The bolts are anything but soft allowing many tighten/loosen cycles without fear of rounding out the hex. They also tighten with a satisfying hard stop. It never feels as if the axle or bolts would strip.
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    All of the hubs listed here are a good choice. Have seen a few issues with hope hubs such as the hub body cracking and bolt issues but those are few and far between. Would not base my decision off of that for a hub as it was a few years back and guy who was riding those was very hard on components.

    I've been rolling on Industry Nine and King hubs with out any issues. For a single speed hub key features in my mind would be durability, quick engagement and bolt on option even for vertical drop outs. After that see what your budget affords.

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    The old bolts where button head with a shallow allen socket, the were also made of Edam cheese, the bolts on the later NRB version are socket head with a deep allen key socket and made of tougher material.

    Parts are cheap and they easy to work on

    I had some Chris King hubs which were nice but so overpriced IMHO they offered nothing over Hopes despite maybe some bragging rights, you can build some nice wheels for the price of the Chris King Hubs

    Here are the old bolts (I converted my first SS hub to QR and uses a chain tug) next to the bolts on my newer NRB SS Hope hub
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    I have not owned Hopes, but have ridden with other who have them. If you don't mind riding through the woods sounding like an industrial plant then go ahead. Look up other threads about the sound of the hubs if relative silence is important to you. I have been riding the same WTB Single Duty hub for 6 years without maintenance and it is quiet, bombproof, and relatively light. I have a spare ready for when it fails but have not needed it. Engagement is slow but unless you are riding tech trails that is, in my opinion, irrelevant. The WTBs are hard to find but I believe that American Classics are virtually the same. It is a personal preference of mine, but I absolutely hate the sound of loud hubs and I think instant engagement is overrated for the majority of SS riding. My 2 cents.

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    Have not used them, but Paul's Word hub seems to be reasonably priced. Anyone know if they are any good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuvok View Post
    Have not used them, but Paul's Word hub seems to be reasonably priced. Anyone know if they are any good?
    Yes, the WORD hub is good. Pair it with a White Ind freewheel.
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    Hub choice?

    The pawls in the Stan's SS hub look identical to the engagement set up on my Bonty RXL multi-speed hub. Same red anodizing as well. Same hub???

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    Quote Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    Do you have an older model? I ask since many had issue with the bolts.
    Mine are not the latest. I have ... a few ... years on two hubs. I have vertical dropouts, so don't need to go crazy tightening them.

    Hopes are pretty loud, as mentioned. Other's don't need to see me to know where I am - except if I'm pedaling.

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    Hope SS all the way - 3 years of abuse and no issues. You wont be dissapointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    Mine are not the latest. I have ... a few ... years on two hubs. I have vertical dropouts, so don't need to go crazy tightening them.

    Hopes are pretty loud, as mentioned. Other's don't need to see me to know where I am - except if I'm pedaling.
    If the noise is an issue pull off the freehub and dump tons of grease in their, do this once a month and they will run almost silently.

    I am used to riding Mountain Unicycles which any their nature are fixed gear so I don't tend to coast very often so I like it as it is like a lazy alarm to point out when I am not pushing hard enough, also it is an excellent "bell" when coming up on walkers as you tend to naturally slow down and coast and it gives them some warning

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    I sold my Hope SSs wheels because they were too loud, the bolts (old version) stripped easily, and they came loose. Overall, I was disappointed with them. One good thing about Hope hubs is that they hold their value and I got a good amount for the re-sale.

    On the other hand, Shimano XT 785 ($75) hubs have been flawless. The centerlock hubs weight 330 grams and have 36 POE. Of course the wheels will be dished, but I don't really buy into the dish-less argument.

    Save the cash and buy Shimanos. Just my 2 cents. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roybatty666 View Post
    If the noise is an issue pull off the freehub and dump tons of grease in their, do this once a month and they will run almost silently....
    ... it is an excellent "bell" when coming up on walkers
    I use it as a "bell" too.
    Hope freehub is really easy to pull off, which can encourage us lazy bike maintainers to keep a closer eye on the condition of the hub.

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    Re: Hub choice?

    Another vote for Hope here. I've run XT and Hope 2 SS/Trials and there's no comparison.

    A nice thing about Hope is the front converts between 9mm and 15mm TA in about 10s.

    Yes, it sounds like a bucket of angry bees but that actually comes in handy for warning other riders, scaring away animals, and adding another dimension to the bling (audio).

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    Whatever you do, don't get the new Industry 9 torch hubs. You'll love them so much and be so spoiled on the engagement that you'll hate everything else, and you'll end up spending your children's college money buying multiple sets of them.

    Or, get them anyway because they're awesome.
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    Hope Pro2 SS FTW!!!

    take it one step further and lace them up to arch ex's

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    Quote Originally Posted by jddjirikian View Post
    Hope or King for color and bling. Surly for your wallet's benefit.
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    King
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33936975@N00/8623794506/" title="CDALE SS 06 by normbilt, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8383/8623794506_5e8d692fdc_b.jpg" width="959" height="540" alt="CDALE SS 06"></a>

    Surly Hubs
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33936975@N00/8622760621/" title="650B 01 by normbilt, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8622760621_d533122dbb_b.jpg" width="1024" height="576" alt="650B 01"></a>

    SAY NO TO THE XT HUBS.

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    Think I've decided on the Hope Pro 2 SS with Velocity Blunt 650B hoops.

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    SAY NO TO THE XT HUBS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Normbilt View Post




    Surly Hubs
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/33936975@N00/8622760621/" title="650B 01 by normbilt, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8622760621_d533122dbb_b.jpg" width="1024" height="576" alt="650B 01"></a>
    What frame is this Normbilt? I'm thinking of building a 650b SS specific and this looks like what I'm after.

    Love the C-Dale too

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOV View Post
    Yes, it sounds like a bucket of angry bees but that actually comes in handy for warning other riders, scaring away animals, and adding another dimension to the bling (audio).

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    I love my Hope Pro2 SS hubs. I don't get why all these people think the sound is such an issue. For me the sound was an attraction. There is nothing like hearing that rythmic buzz as you weave down a flowy singletrack.

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    The Hopes and Kings do seem mighty nice, but I think they are overpriced. Definitely bike bling, if you can afford them though I do harbor some jealousy. I have some Surly new hubs, which took some time to set right I admit, and have had zero problems since building that wheelset. Mighty nice for the pocket book. I have XTs on my geared rides, maybe not quite the same, and it can take a little time with the cup and cone adjustment, but no problems there either. I don't know why I keep hearing ops and reading posts telling others to pass and spend your money... you won't regret it. If biking was my one hobby and I didn't have other financial responsibilities I probably would bling the heck out of my CF 953 stainless etc... anyway, don't hate on my Surly's or XTs. Also, don't be annoyed if I pass you on my simple drabby weighty bland colored 2-wheeled machine.
    Also, I do agree I like that card in the spoke sound. I had a formula hub that was quite loud, hub wasn't the best, but that sound brought back memories.

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    I had a Hope SS/Trials hub and it was excellent! Lots of engagement with really solid bolts and is easy to service. I would stay away from XT unless you are on top of your servicing. Once the inner part of the hub is pitted you have to throw it away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    The Hopes and Kings do seem mighty nice, but I think they are overpriced. Definitely bike bling, if you can afford them though I do harbor some jealousy. I have some Surly new hubs, which took some time to set right I admit, and have had zero problems since building that wheelset. Mighty nice for the pocket book. I have XTs on my geared rides, maybe not quite the same, and it can take a little time with the cup and cone adjustment, but no problems there either. I don't know why I keep hearing ops and reading posts telling others to pass and spend your money... you won't regret it. If biking was my one hobby and I didn't have other financial responsibilities I probably would bling the heck out of my CF 953 stainless etc... anyway, don't hate on my Surly's or XTs. Also, don't be annoyed if I pass you on my simple drabby weighty bland colored 2-wheeled machine.
    Also, I do agree I like that card in the spoke sound. I had a formula hub that was quite loud, hub wasn't the best, but that sound brought back memories.
    How are Hope overpriced? I think they're probably the best bang for your buck out there for quality, endurance and style. I have the SS version I built about a year ago, bought and laced brand new with Crests and 1.5/2.0 DB Revolutions and I'd bet they're just as capable as the King's I've had in the past at more than half the cost and weight-wise probably rival quite a few decent roadie sets. I've never had the slightest issue with breakage or tension and I run rigid and put a lot of tough miles on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryed_1 View Post
    How are Hope overpriced? I think they're probably the best bang for your buck out there for quality, endurance and style.
    It is just my opinion, and I did say that I would be jealous of your Hopes. I am just saying, IMHO, that you can get some solid hubs for less money but that doesn't mean I think the Hopes are worthless. It is your opinion that they are the best bang for the buck, based on your criteria of what is necessary to the enjoyment of your ride. It is simply mine that I can do quite nicely with my less expensive hubs and buy more beer. That's it. I won't scoff at you, I'll probably gawk and awe and ask you all about them, but I probably won't spend the extra money as my criteria does not deem it necessary to spend the extra dough. Sorry to upset you, there's no need to defend yourself. They are less expensive than Kings, but they are more expensive than the Surlys or XTs. Happy rolling!

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    No defending or misunderstanding. I'm not upset or anything and I've had both Surly and XT's in the past. Matter of fact my old FR bike, a Cove G-Spot, rocked the XT's on some MTX 33's and aside from detailed internal cleaning from muddy lift days, never failed me.

    I did quite a bit of research before building these wheels however and while the King's, Hadley's and i9's out there were best thing short of an all-girl orgy, I didn't want to break the bank to save a couple ounces or get that extra 18 POE points. Everything I read said that for price vs performance, Hope wouldn't fail you and provided the best option in a great looking package.

    Agreed that they weren't "needed", but the PvP compared to the other ones I've looked at is what made my decision. The Formula/Redlines I had before were durable, cheap and never gave me a problem either. If I was building something on the cheap I wouldn't hesitate to use them again.. but if I wanted something with a little more performance, less weight and yes... better looking... I would definitely go Hope over any of the bigger costing brands any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryed_1 View Post
    I did quite a bit of research before building these wheels however and while the King's, Hadley's and i9's out there were best thing short of an all-girl orgy
    LOL, those girls may break the bank but they're probably be worth it...and I do concede that the Hopes are better looking than my Surlys or XTs, weigh less and probably perform better in bed.
    I just don't like what seems to be the consensus that the idea of XTs and spacers just doesn't cut it. It's not a bad idea if the OP is unsure of the wheelsize and SS. They are then more marketable for resale having not cost as much with more versatility as a geared set as well. Anyway, the OP has made his decision and has gone with Hopes. May he ride them into the sunset and beyond....

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    well i have the White Industries Disc Eno with the W.I. free wheel. Combined cheaper than the hope hubs and work flawlessly. I love White Industries products. DEsigned really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryed_1 View Post
    How are Hope overpriced? I think they're probably the best bang for your buck out there for quality, endurance and style.
    My approach for Hopes has been to order (semi) custom wheels, which can be done for less than the list price of the components.
    I haven't been checking prices recently but Hope Pro 2 Evo Disc Rear Wheel | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com still looks pretty OK to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    My approach for Hopes has been to order (semi) custom wheels, which can be done for less than the list price of the components.
    I haven't been checking prices recently but Hope Pro 2 Evo Disc Rear Wheel | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com still looks pretty OK to me.
    *shrug* I build my own.

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    Ok, ok... Hopes are higher priced, not over priced.

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    I guess I'm OP...reckon that doesn't mean Sheriff Taylor's son (j/k).

    The Hopes kinda hit the mid point price wise between the ultra bling stuff and XT. My current ride has a '94 spacered LX hub, I've had zero problems with it. (other than horsepower). The build I'm on though...I wanted to be like the Jeffersons and start "Movin' on up".

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    I'm curious about the Paul Word hubs as well. They can be had for $100 each on Amazon and are weight weenie light at 200g for the rear and 128 for the front. If one isn't racing, and doesn't need instant engagement, what would be the drawback to using the Paul Words over the Hopes? I know Paul has a reputation for quality and durability in their brakes. It surprises me that given the big dollar savings and the meaningful weight savings, the Paul SS hub isn't mentioned more on this forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TooSteep View Post
    I'm curious about the Paul Word hubs as well. They can be had for $100 each on Amazon and are weight weenie light at 200g for the rear and 128 for the front. If one isn't racing, and doesn't need instant engagement, what would be the drawback to using the Paul Words over the Hopes? I know Paul has a reputation for quality and durability in their brakes. It surprises me that given the big dollar savings and the meaningful weight savings, the Paul SS hub isn't mentioned more on this forum?
    The Paul hub uses a freewheel. It is not a freehub/cassette.

    If you change your gearing frequently freewheels are a PITA compared to cassette hubs.

    The White Ind. freewheels are the only ones worth having. Durable and reliable in all conditions and good engagement. Weight is 175-200g and cost ~$90 the last time I checked several years ago.
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    Hope Pro2, I9, or Surly, SS specific!
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    TWANG! POP! BOOM! That was the sound my 5 month old XT hub made yesterday as it died a horrible death. I no longer have faith in XT rear hubs. That's too bad because I really thought that XTs were legit.

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    My vote for cost/durability goes to a solid freewheel-threaded hub and a White Industries Eno freewheel.

    Small Wallet? --> Surly Ultra New Disc

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    Bigger Wallet? --> Paul Word Disc

    Either way, you get a bombproof setup that will go for thousands of miles. YMMV, but I never had issues dirt jumping my Surly Ultra New Disc, and a Paul Word would worry me even less.

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    By Drazhar in forum Bike and Frame discussion
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