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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    My guess is that law enforcement isnt going to care much. Dan will just tell them he is behind on filling orders.
    I called it! He'll just come up with more lame excuses. It's to bad, because he has a good thing going. You would think that we would hire some help and get the sh!t done and out.

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    still it wont be a problem as it will never come!!

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    Order #1334984302
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    Looks like my ring guard is in there. Who knows!

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    The list is being compiled and sent tonight. Thanks everyone for your contributions.

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    Thanks khskenny for the initiative!

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    He'll just say that he is behind in fullfilling his orders. That's why he posted on Facebook. They won't be able to do anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khskenny View Post
    The list is being compiled and sent tonight. Thanks everyone for your contributions.
    Could you give us an estimated total of the money involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    He'll just say that he is behind in fullfilling his orders. That's why he posted on Facebook. They won't be able to do anything about it.

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    Guys, hire a lawyer and have him file a class action in the local jurisdiction where HBC operates. He will find it much more difficult to make excuses in court. And if he doesn't respond to that, you can have your lawyer put a lien on his property. You could also possibly get the judge to issue an injunction against him doing any further business on his website until he resolves this.

    Apologies if someone mentioned this before. I didn't read all 5 pages of the thread.
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    That's going to cost everyone more then they lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    That's going to cost everyone more then they lost.
    Maybe.

    I mean, I agree that inviting everyone to post the details of how much money that HBC cheated them out of on the MTBR forums is by far the easiest and cheapest course of action. Unfortunately it also happens to be one of the least effective at actually getting anything done about it, ranking right up there with doing "nothing at all".
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    Update - posted recently on Facebook by Homebrewed Components:




    Response from HBC owner in the comment feed:
    No need to hide his name, a quick Google search brings it up.

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    I guess I missed this, hope my order is in that lot......

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    What's the total khskenny?

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    A couple available now

    Hey guys. I know that there is lots of frustration around HBC...trust me I feel you. But just in case it can help anybody out, I have a couple up in Ebay right now.
    Since I can't post a link.....
    Check the classifieds under Chains/Cogs/Guides for my Spam Pass.

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    Don't know what everyone's problem is. I ordered a ring and cog two weeks ago and it already arrived. He even sent me an email asking if I was happy with them.

    Sorry, couldn't wait until April 1st to do that! Glad I got my stuff years ago when he just started out. My new cogs are now CK or Endless...as far as rings, it will be...well, I still have 3 HBC's so I have some time to figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    Don't know what everyone's problem is. I ordered a ring and cog two weeks ago and it already arrived. He even sent me an email asking is I was happy with them.

    Sorry, couldn't wait until April 1st to do that! Glad I got my stuff years ago when he just started out. My new cogs are now CK or Endless...as far as rings, it will be...well, I still have 3 HBC's so I have some time to figure it out.
    That was like tapping a hornets nest with a stick to see if there are any angry ones inside yup.
    You should have waited till April fools day.. we may still be waiting for our cogs then.

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    Its been over 3 weeks since this started. OPer, has any of the information sent to you been sent to law enforcement?

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    Isn't there a 4-45 week lead time with this, too? Or is that just with the chainrings?

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    Homebrewed components undelivered orders

    Badum pish!

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    Really starting to get pissed about this guy.
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    Anything happen here?

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    I'm personally satisfied with his update on Facebook. Now I at least know he's alive and attempting to fulfill his orders. At this point legal action will just make it less likely that I'll get my parts because he'll be dealing with lawyers instead of making my chainrings. Prior to seeing his FB page I was unaware that he had explained his situation (some of his milling tools broke which set him back, which seems to have led to getting overwhelmed by work & stress which led to panic attacks). He should have been better about communicating this on his website & through email but, whatever, it is what it is.

    He's no longer taking orders on his site, so that's resolved. As he works through his orders I'm sure that he will get more freed up to address any that have fallen through the cracks.

    So I think we should cut the guy some slack. He's clearly had some setbacks that he's working through them. He at least warned us about lead times, so even though the delay is legitimately unreasonable from a customer perspective, he did not breach any contracts.

    So for my part I would like to have my order removed from the list, and I don't want to be involved with any legal action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kramerica5000 View Post
    So I think we should cut the guy some slack. He's clearly had some setbacks that he's working through them. He at least warned us about lead times, so even though the delay is legitimately unreasonable from a customer perspective, he did not breach any contracts.
    Cut Dan some slack? When i ordered the lead time was listed as 4 weeks. I just hit my 1yr mark. This guy is a crook and i seriously doubt any statements or excuses he has to why thousands of dollars worth of orders have never been sent out. I also doubt i will ever get my order. I currently think jail and/or stiff financial fines are the only things Dan deserves. The only excuse acceptable with this story is that he's a sad excuse for an American and human being.

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    Yeah, that's funny, cut the guy some slack. Why not just give him a pat on the back while you're at it. It sounds like kramerica5000 might have something to hide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Yeah, that's funny, cut the guy some slack. Why not just give him a pat on the back while you're at it. It sounds like kramerica5000 might have something to hide.
    LOL what would that be?

    Press charges if you like, but I seriously doubt you're going to get off your butt to do anything about it. But feel free to continue to be pissed about it, and if being pissed at me for being satisfied with the fact that the guy is attempting to fix the situation makes you feel better, well go ahead and do that too.

    I guess that's what I get for showing up with a pale of water instead of a torch and pitchfork.

    And for the record, I'm not giving the guy a pass, but since he's stopped taking orders and is legitimately seems to be trying to fulfill the ones he has, I think the best possible outcome here is that we all get what we ordered albeit after a ridiculous wait. Legal action will probably result in a lot of wasted time for everyone involved, and a longer wait for everyone else to get their parts. Yeah, he could be lying about the fact that he has nearly everyone's order complete and is just waiting for parts to return from the anodizer, but I've waited this long, so I'm willing to give him a couple more weeks to see if he comes through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kramerica5000 View Post
    LOL what would that be?

    Press charges if you like, but I seriously doubt you're going to get off your butt to do anything about it. But feel free to continue to be pissed about it, and if being pissed at me for being satisfied with the fact that the guy is attempting to fix the situation makes you feel better, well go ahead and do that too.

    I guess that's what I get for showing up with a pale of water instead of a torch and pitchfork.

    And for the record, I'm not giving the guy a pass, but since he's stopped taking orders and is legitimately seems to be trying to fulfill the ones he has, I think the best possible outcome here is that we all get what we ordered albeit after a ridiculous wait. Legal action will probably result in a lot of wasted time for everyone involved, and a longer wait for everyone else to get their parts. Yeah, he could be lying about the fact that he has nearly everyone's order complete and is just waiting for parts to return from the anodizer, but I've waited this long, so I'm willing to give him a couple more weeks to see if he comes through.
    I am pretty sure that 99.9% of the people who have waited more than a year for components wont have a use for them if they ever do turn up.

    I know I wouldnt wait around for a year for something and then be happy when it finally turns up in the mail.

    If the business was too busy to fill orders, then why keep taking more and more peoples money?

    Sounds like a scam/conman to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kramerica5000 View Post
    He's no longer taking orders on his site, so that's resolved. As he works through his orders I'm sure that he will get more freed up to address any that have fallen through the cracks.
    You seem pretty confident. Sucks that so many have gotten screwed (damn glad I got stuff back in 2009/2010). I have seen other small operations (like Boone) post on their website, where people actually order the product, that they are currently not taking orders as they have a full plate, then when ready they open up to orders again. He has nothing on his webpage about not taking orders. In fact I was able to add items to the cart and prepare for payment...so he could still be taking in peoples money for all we know.
    Listen, at best this guy makes a good product but is an incompetent business man. At worst, he is a guy who makes a good product but got in over his head and is going to knowingly (or not, who cares) screw a whole lot of people ('criminal negligence' maybe?).
    Sucks because like many I really would like some new bits (Ti cog), but that certainly is not going to happen.
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    I was one of many guys here who got the product BACK when he was still delivering (few years back). That is the thing that pisses me off, I felt like I became a part of Dan's big plan of conning people. Its like "okay, I will make a good batch of product for a bit, make them say good things about me and I will screw them all up as soon as I get their trust (and money)". Pretty clever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishcreek View Post
    I was one of many guys here who got the product BACK when he was still delivering (few years back). That is the thing that pisses me off, I felt like I became a part of Dan's big plan of conning people. Its like "okay, I will make a good batch of product for a bit, make them say good things about me and I will screw them all up as soon as I get their trust (and money)". Pretty clever.
    I own some HBC stuff; I really like the product I got. That was quite a while ago. Then I took a ~1 year hiatus from MTBR and by the time I came back, Dan's world had crumbled. Shame. I'd like to believe that this was a well intentioned guy who took his eye off the ball and things got away from him. I hate the thought that he'd intentionally swindle anyone. I can't say cuz I don't know, but I still hope he digs himself out. Digging himself out would be good for those of us who still have orders in his queue plus it will be good for Dan's own self esteem. After the dust finally settles on this mess, he needs to be able to look back and say, "I may have pissed a lot of people off, but at least in the end every single one of 'em got what they ordered." It won't make things right -- it's too late for that. But if he follows through to the bitter end, at least he'll be able to look himself in the mirror and know he made good on his obligations, even though he stumbled badly along the way.

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    Don't get me wrong sParty, I am still hoping that these guys get their stuff or at least part of their money back. For me, it came to the point that there is no pride left having his product on my bike. What was used to be a nice work is just a piece of metal to me. Think of it like owning a stolen dirty product made from money stolen from somebody else, not good to have.

    You are a great counselor sParty, not like me, I think I was brought up wrong. The thing is, we cannot afford to baby this grown up man. And let's just face it, there is no way we can fix stupid. Well, I guess I can't really call him stupid because he is still walking around feeding off from dirty money..
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.O.B. View Post
    You seem pretty confident. ... He has nothing on his webpage about not taking orders. In fact I was able to add items to the cart and prepare for payment...so he could still be taking in peoples money for all we know ...
    I have more confidence now than I had a few weeks ago before I saw his Facebook update with a photo of all the chainrings and cogs waiting to go to the anodizer. And no I don't think he is a scammer who fabricated that photo just to keep us all fooled a little bit longer.

    You can add items to your cart, but it is not possible to complete the transaction. I tried to be sure. He said that he will soon make it more obvious on the website that you can't place orders ... maybe he'll do that after he sends me my chainrings, which is fine by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kramerica5000 View Post
    I have more confidence now than I had a few weeks ago before I saw his Facebook update with a photo of all the chainrings and cogs waiting to go to the anodizer. And no I don't think he is a scammer who fabricated that photo just to keep us all fooled a little bit longer.

    You can add items to your cart, but it is not possible to complete the transaction. I tried to be sure. He said that he will soon make it more obvious on the website that you can't place orders ... maybe he'll do that after he sends me my chainrings, which is fine by me.
    That photo you speak of is at least two years old.

    yep, he's gonna do that, just as soon as he sends you your rings. Lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    That photo you speak of is at least two years old.
    ...
    Shawn, may I ask how you know this? Thanks.

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    I saw the same picture when I bought a ring from him. I believe it was on this site, but I may have seen it somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kramerica5000 View Post
    I have more confidence now than I had a few weeks ago before I saw his Facebook update with a photo of all the chainrings and cogs waiting to go to the anodizer.
    Just to point out that the updated photo was 3 weeks ago. Still, nobody has received products from Dan. Even the masses of us who don't need anything anodized haven't seen anything. Its simply a skeem to try to document that there is ongoing progress. I have been waiting a year for items that don't need to be anodized. He is a thief.

    Definition of thief- one that steals especially stealthily or secretly. Yup, he is stealthily baiting you into thinking you will get a product while he spends your money.

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    it shows paypal to be absolute thieving bankers. homebrewed`s details must have been brought up so many hundreds of times in complaints that a trend of bogus business will certainly be flagged up by them but they are happy for him to continue using their service to take more money all the while they get their fee every time, because of his stated 6 week lead plus our optimism(still thinking "it will come! it really will!") add another 3 months to that and paypal never have to do any refunds as complaints are always over their 4 week limit.

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    This is a true example of what will happen if you don't take care of your customers. You can have the best product in the world, but at some point people just stop trusting and buying from this kind of company. What goes around comes around. RIP HBC.

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    The guy seems like a coward to me. He used to be all over these threads on MTBR, and now you don't see him. I bet he reads every single one of these, especially when there is an entire thread dedicated to his faulty practices, and doesn't have to balls to step up and say something. Go hide in a corner dude.
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    Maybe he joined forces with Matt Chester?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29inches View Post
    maybe he joined forces with matt chester?
    LOL!

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    Does anyone have a Specialized SWorks chainring they can't use? Please pm me. Thanks.

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    Sooo, does anyone else make spiderless chainrings that will fit an FSA crank?

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    If the OPer would send me a collection of the information we sent you, i will be happy to submit it all to Dan's local law enforcement. I'm not sure why there hasn't been any updates here aside from the OPer not following through with what he said he was going to do. Sound familiar. Maybe the information created too much stress and there was a 4x4 convention going on...

    Please OPer, send me a PM and i'll give you my email to pass along all this order information to law enforcement.

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    total $97

    I just want my money back at this point. I don't want the parts on my bike any more. I'd be more than happy with MRP at this point if I had my $97.

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    Dan Wilcox's phone number is 858-216-6317... I'm calling everyday until I get my parts or a refund.

    He worked with Brian Itzaina (looks like he is still employed there) at Hidden Valley Bicycle in Escondido in the past, based on FB Photo tags.... Maybe stop there and bend a few ears....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetboy23 View Post
    If the OPer would send me a collection of the information we sent you, i will be happy to submit it all to Dan's local law enforcement. I'm not sure why there hasn't been any updates here aside from the OPer not following through with what he said he was going to do. Sound familiar. Maybe the information created too much stress and there was a 4x4 convention going on...

    Please OPer, send me a PM and i'll give you my email to pass along all this order information to law enforcement.
    Contact the US Postal Service too....Mail Fraud.

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    One more, what the heck.

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    This thread really makes me sad.

    I don't know the guy personally, but I did receive parts from him early on - great parts and great customer service. There's no way that he started out with the intent to defraud the MTB community.

    Most likely, he became a victim of his own success. Many companies have died due to the inability to scale their operation to meet demand.

    If Paypal won't make things right for you folks, hopefully you can dispute the charges directly with your credit card company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy View Post
    This thread really makes me sad.

    I don't know the guy personally, but I did receive parts from him early on - great parts and great customer service. There's no way that he started out with the intent to defraud the MTB community.

    Most likely, he became a victim of his own success. Many companies have died due to the inability to scale their operation to meet demand.

    If Paypal won't make things right for you folks, hopefully you can dispute the charges directly with your credit card company.
    If business is so good, it wouldn't be to difficult to hire a person or two, to help out. It's sad that people are getting effed, but, I don't feel sorry for the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    it wouldn't be to difficult to hire a person or two, to help out.
    Going from a one man operation to managing qualified employees is exponentially more difficult.

    If you have skills as a machinist, those do not necessarily translate into bookkeeping, human resource management, shipping and receiving, etc.

    I don't feel sorry for him, per se - there are a lot of things he should be handling to fix the situation - but, it's a bummer to see a guy with a good idea, who took a chance with real-world repercussions, fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy View Post
    it's a bummer to see a guy with a good idea, who took a chance with real-world repercussions, fail.
    It's a bigger bummer to see innocent people robbed of their hard-earned money by a liar. Saying anything else is just making excuses for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wv_bob View Post
    It's a bigger bummer to see innocent people robbed of their hard-earned money by a liar.
    Meh - The internet has been around for at least a month or two. If people don't know how to conduct transactions safely by now, it's their own fault.

    "Buyer Beware". That saying has been around for at least 3 months.

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    So, you're blaming the buyers for this eff up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy View Post
    Going from a one man operation to managing qualified employees is exponentially more difficult.

    If you have skills as a machinist, those do not necessarily translate into bookkeeping, human resource management, shipping and receiving, etc.

    I don't feel sorry for him, per se - there are a lot of things he should be handling to fix the situation - but, it's a bummer to see a guy with a good idea, who took a chance with real-world repercussions, fail.
    It's not that hard. Hire a person or two as independent contractors and teach them what to do. It's not rocket science. It's certainly easier then screwing your customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    It's not that hard. Hire a person or two as independent contractors and teach them what to do. It's not rocket science. It's certainly easier then screwing your customers.
    I think you mean just run the business in a typical way ... as opposed to screwing everyone.

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    I'm pretty sure that's close to what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    So, you're blaming the buyers for this eff up?
    You are a master of reading comprehension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy View Post
    You are a master of reading comprehension.
    I'm also a cunning linguist and a master debater!

    It's stupid to blam the buyers here. Most of the people not getting their stuff, ordered when he was running a legit business. A business that was selling great products with good customer service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I'm also a cunning linguist and a masturbater!

    It's stupid to blam the buyers here. Most of the people not getting their stuff, ordered when he was running a legit business. A business that was selling great products with good customer service.
    I agree, you are a cunning linguist

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch rides a SS View Post
    I agree, you are a cunning linguist

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetboy23 View Post
    If the OPer would send me a collection of the information we sent you, i will be happy to submit it all to Dan's local law enforcement. I'm not sure why there hasn't been any updates here aside from the OPer not following through with what he said he was going to do. Sound familiar. Maybe the information created too much stress and there was a 4x4 convention going on...

    Please OPer, send me a PM and i'll give you my email to pass along all this order information to law enforcement.
    So where are we with this? Has any information been sent it to the authorities?

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    I don't know. I pm'd the OPer to send me the info if he wasn't going to use it. No response back from him. Maybe OPer is really Dan incognito... lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetboy23 View Post
    I don't know. I pm'd the OPer to send me the info if he wasn't going to use it. No response back from him. Maybe OPer is really Dan incognito... lol.
    Now you mention it........
    If is is Dan, it is either his way to sort out the people who really want their products and the people apparently don't give a ****. Or it is to solve his administrative issues....

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    That's funny: ****
    I used the f word (which is no problem on our Dutch forums)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetboy23 View Post
    I don't know. I pm'd the OPer to send me the info if he wasn't going to use it. No response back from him. Maybe OPer is really Dan incognito... lol.
    Thanks for trying jetboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetboy23 View Post
    I don't know. I pm'd the OPer to send me the info if he wasn't going to use it. No response back from him. Maybe OPer is really Dan incognito... lol.

    I'm sure a MTBR Mod could pull both IP's and check... But would they "out" an income source, if it was him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideAndyRide View Post
    I'm sure a MTBR Mod could pull both IP's and check... But would they "out" an income source, if it was him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishcreek View Post
    Yeah, you cant just bite the hand that fed you.
    So actually our money went to MTBR?

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    To pay for his ad? Yes.
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    Uh don't think he is an income source anymore and hasn't sponsored anything in a long time. Oh and the OP ain't Dan incognito. So sorry I can't help there, not even from the same sides of this continent.
    Try this: HTFU

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29Inches View Post
    Maybe he joined forces with Matt Chester?


    Not sure Dan deserves that one just yet! Matt has people waiting YEARS for frames.. and they STILL THINK THEY MIGHT COME!

    Speaking of MC - noticed on Twitter he is in MD as of yesterday!
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    Homebrewed Components - Order Confirmation for Order #1352134937
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    No response to status emails since.

    Aluminum 102bcd 4 bolt Chainrings

    Color: pink
    # of teeth: 36t
    chain size: 3/32" (8/9/10 speed compatible)


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    Quantity: 1 @ $35.00 $35.00
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetboy23 View Post
    Maybe OPer is really Dan incognito... lol.
    This was meant to be a joke. Sorry, i forgot the and and and .

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    I should note, this was my second order. The first order he sent within 3 months a couple of years ago. I am still using this chainring today. That's why I got suckered in this time. He's 1 of maybe 2 guys out there who can make bigger than 34t chainrings for the old XTR M960. I think he went on a meth binge and that's at least 4 years before he comes out of it. The other guy who makes 'em is tomicogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye84x View Post
    I think he went on a meth binge and that's at least 4 years before he comes out of it.
    You're the second person to say that- I just hope it's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    cough***meth addict***cough
    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Meth?
    Rehab?
    Quote Originally Posted by eye84x View Post
    I think he went on a meth binge and that's at least 4 years before he comes out of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by PDXDrew View Post
    You're the second person to say that- I just hope it's not true.
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    Homebrewed components undelivered orders

    I was going to suggest this as an explanation a month ago.

    I'm not speculating but in my experience behavior like this has almost always been a result of substance abuse issues.

    Shame.

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    My guess is, the guy got into a tight spot financial and spent our money on bills (I like not to think toys or drugs) and doesn't have the money to buy the materials, pay his anodizer, or for shipping. None of these are our problems, but it's what you deal with from a one man show. Contractors do this typ of s**t all the time but you can typically drive to there house. I'm 11 + months in, and I think it's a lost cause at this point. The guy just simply wasn't charging enough. MRP is getting $70 plus a ring, HBC wanted $45. He was doomed to fail.

    I contacted my Bank earlier this week, which went better than I expected. I suggest you all do the same. I see no point in kicking a dead horse any longer. owever I am still pissed off everytime I go to the mail box, not sure when I'll get over that. Maybe when I'm spinning a new Bling Ring?

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    I opened a dispute at Paypal, which of course was closed because of their (stupid) rules (>45 days old).....

    But the following sentences in their e-mail might be interesting for you too (translated from Dutch):
    "While your dispute is closed, the dispute is noted on the vendor registration. We reserve the right to (within 180 calendar days of a claim) reopen the claim when receiving more complaints about the seller. In that case we will contact you via e-mail."

    So if there is anyone else who also payed HBC via paypal, please open a dispute at Paypal. I am very curious if I will hear something.

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    is he answering? I am assuming he isn't.

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    This is very sad as I have been out of biking for a few years doing mountain Unicycling (ultimate Single Speed lol) and dealt with Dan a fair bit in the beginning and he was great, I got replacement nut lugs for free, he loved my SS build so upgraded my 2 piece cog from Stainless to Ti for free.

    We used to chat via email a bit and while i don't know all that well all this talk of him being a crook / thief just doesn't fly, that would require him to start out with fraudulent intentions when we all know he didn't, he was a fellow SS rider who started making things for the community and even in the early days he barely covered costs (tooling, material, electricity etc) and as has been said he became a victim of his success. Scaling up a business like this is very hard as paying a full time machinist when you barley cover costs is not possible unless you can ramp up orders.

    Also as someone who has suffered stress/depression when things get on top of you in that situation doing obvious things like posting what's going on etc when every breath you take feels like too much for you to cope with just don't even come into your head.

    I have been riding and buying lots of gear for decades and have seen small backyard companies like this fold more often than make the leap to multi employee full time businesses.

    This sucks and I feel for those who have lost money (always buy on credit card peeps) but I think rather than all this legal blustering (which will achieve nothing) I think people should write the money off and have some sympathy for a fellow human being who has been going through some crap.

    It is also worth remembering that your lives are too short as well, to spend a year getting stressed about what is really a small amount of money is madness why hold onto that negativity in your life, we are talking some SS parts here which means we all have a roof over our head food on the table which a lot of people in this world don't.

    There are no winners in all of this you can you can only decide how you are going to deal with it.

    In my opinion just let it go and go for a ride, you will feel much better

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    Hmmm..... Nah, screw it, LET'S HANG HIM!!!


    Not really.


    Well said royb.
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    Lol just seen my old signature

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    Quote Originally Posted by roybatty666 View Post
    This is very sad as I have been out of biking for a few years doing mountain Unicycling (ultimate Single Speed lol) and dealt with Dan a fair bit in the beginning and he was great, I got replacement nut lugs for free, he loved my SS build so upgraded my 2 piece cog from Stainless to Ti for free.


    We used to chat via email a bit and while i don't know all that well all this talk of him being a crook / thief just doesn't fly, that would require him to start out with fraudulent intentions when we all know he didn't, he was a fellow SS rider who started making things for the community and even in the early days he barely covered costs (tooling, material, electricity etc) and as has been said he became a victim of his success. Scaling up a business like this is very hard as paying a full time machinist when you barley cover costs is not possible unless you can ramp up orders.


    Also as someone who has suffered stress/depression when things get on top of you in that situation doing obvious things like posting what's going on etc when every breath you take feels like too much for you to cope with just don't even come into your head.


    I have been riding and buying lots of gear for decades and have seen small backyard companies like this fold more often than make the leap to multi employee full time businesses.


    This sucks and I feel for those who have lost money (always buy on credit card peeps) but I think rather than all this legal blustering (which will achieve nothing) I think people should write the money off and have some sympathy for a fellow human being who has been going through some crap.


    It is also worth remembering that your lives are too short as well, to spend a year getting stressed about what is really a small amount of money is madness why hold onto that negativity in your life, we are talking some SS parts here which means we all have a roof over our head food on the table which a lot of people in this world don't.


    There are no winners in all of this you can you can only decide how you are going to deal with it.


    In my opinion just let it go and go for a ride, you will feel much better

    When people steal from other people, I don't think we should, "just let it go". If he came here and said, hey here's what going on with me, I think you might see some sympathy. But when your web site is still up and you can still place orders, something needs to be done. I mean crap man, even if he was dead, someone could take his site down and let someone somewhere know what's going on and someone could let us know what going on. The one time I bought something from him he was a total prick, he sold me a ring that took me hours to modify to fit my crank, even after sending a picture of my crank and having him confirm which interface I had. And, sending the ring back for him to fix or get a refund was not an option he gave to me. The guy is a thief. No different then someone who holds up a liquor store and he should be treated as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roybatty666 View Post
    Lol just seen my old signature
    and keeping it is just promoting his wrongdoing, just like the video from MTBRs article about Angry SSers. we need to boycott anything related to him.
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    This thread makes me sick, and I've never even ordered anything from him.

    The only way to know he isn't still accepting orders is to put one all the way through. Has anyone tried? You might be throwing $ away, but maybe you could reverse it or cancel it if it does go through?

    One other thing, what about going after his website? Maybe if enough people contacted his ISP/web host you could at least get his website shut down ensuring no further people are being scammed. Might be with looking into with Tucows or ipower?

    Here is his host info.
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    Record last updated on 02-Dec-2012.
    Record expires on 01-Dec-2014.
    Record created on 01-Dec-2009.

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    Order Confirmation for Order #1339464684
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    order date: june 11, 2012
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    no update still. no response on emails.
    he is a coward thief considering all the people he screwed.

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    I have been watching this thread for a while now and it saddens me deeply. My experiences with Dan were the same as roybatty's except I would chat with him in person and the phone. We could never get our schedules to match to go out for a ride unfortunately. It's sucks to see this and I truly hope that the outcome is good for all parties involved.

    I have seen this happen with custom shops in paintball also. Many people loose much more in gear and money. It still sucks either way.

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    It really does suck to the people that did order. Luckily I found one of these threads a while ago when researching his stuff. Too bad, he filled a void that's not been filled since.

    @worrptangl Stock class and singlespeed bikes eh? I think we have common mindset friend. See ya on MCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roybatty666 View Post
    I think people should write the money off and have some sympathy for a fellow human being who has been going through some crap.
    Are you serious ! Theres a few here who have lost over $200.... pick any one of them and send them the $200 they lost out of your pocket then write your cash off for a fellow human being.... put your money where you mouth is ????

    If something was wrong with the bloke we could see through it, but spending his time 4WDing then posting the vids on youtube AND still potentially taking orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roybatty666 View Post
    This is very sad as I have been out of biking for a few years doing mountain Unicycling (ultimate Single Speed lol) and dealt with Dan a fair bit in the beginning and he was great, I got replacement nut lugs for free, he loved my SS build so upgraded my 2 piece cog from Stainless to Ti for free.

    We used to chat via email a bit and while i don't know all that well all this talk of him being a crook / thief just doesn't fly, that would require him to start out with fraudulent intentions when we all know he didn't, he was a fellow SS rider who started making things for the community and even in the early days he barely covered costs (tooling, material, electricity etc) and as has been said he became a victim of his success. Scaling up a business like this is very hard as paying a full time machinist when you barley cover costs is not possible unless you can ramp up orders.

    Also as someone who has suffered stress/depression when things get on top of you in that situation doing obvious things like posting what's going on etc when every breath you take feels like too much for you to cope with just don't even come into your head.

    I have been riding and buying lots of gear for decades and have seen small backyard companies like this fold more often than make the leap to multi employee full time businesses.

    This sucks and I feel for those who have lost money (always buy on credit card peeps) but I think rather than all this legal blustering (which will achieve nothing) I think people should write the money off and have some sympathy for a fellow human being who has been going through some crap.

    It is also worth remembering that your lives are too short as well, to spend a year getting stressed about what is really a small amount of money is madness why hold onto that negativity in your life, we are talking some SS parts here which means we all have a roof over our head food on the table which a lot of people in this world don't.

    There are no winners in all of this you can you can only decide how you are going to deal with it.

    In my opinion just let it go and go for a ride, you will feel much better
    Or he could just be a man and come online, apologize and tell people the truth for once. Then maybe folks would be more forgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roybatty666 View Post
    This is very sad as I have been out of biking for a few years doing mountain Unicycling (ultimate Single Speed lol) and dealt with Dan a fair bit in the beginning and he was great, I got replacement nut lugs for free, he loved my SS build so upgraded my 2 piece cog from Stainless to Ti for free.

    We used to chat via email a bit and while i don't know all that well all this talk of him being a crook / thief just doesn't fly, that would require him to start out with fraudulent intentions when we all know he didn't, he was a fellow SS rider who started making things for the community and even in the early days he barely covered costs (tooling, material, electricity etc) and as has been said he became a victim of his success. Scaling up a business like this is very hard as paying a full time machinist when you barley cover costs is not possible unless you can ramp up orders.

    Also as someone who has suffered stress/depression when things get on top of you in that situation doing obvious things like posting what's going on etc when every breath you take feels like too much for you to cope with just don't even come into your head.

    I have been riding and buying lots of gear for decades and have seen small backyard companies like this fold more often than make the leap to multi employee full time businesses.

    This sucks and I feel for those who have lost money (always buy on credit card peeps) but I think rather than all this legal blustering (which will achieve nothing) I think people should write the money off and have some sympathy for a fellow human being who has been going through some crap.

    It is also worth remembering that your lives are too short as well, to spend a year getting stressed about what is really a small amount of money is madness why hold onto that negativity in your life, we are talking some SS parts here which means we all have a roof over our head food on the table which a lot of people in this world don't.

    There are no winners in all of this you can you can only decide how you are going to deal with it.

    In my opinion just let it go and go for a ride, you will feel much better
    I think I'll start a business with great intensions and screw a lot of people over - then you can justify it later for me. Nice work. I think Enron started nice too ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDAKA View Post
    It really does suck to the people that did order. Luckily I found one of these threads a while ago when researching his stuff. Too bad, he filled a void that's not been filled since.

    @worrptangl Stock class and singlespeed bikes eh? I think we have common mindset friend. See ya on MCB.
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    (1) Aluminum Spiderless Chainrings @ $45.00

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    Item amount: $128.95 USD including international shipping to Australia.
    Item Title: Homebrewed Components order # 1354564816
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    Date: 4 Dec 2012
    Status: Completed via paypal.

    I spoke to this dude about 1 year ago in regards to ti chain rings for FSA 94BCD 4 arm cranks and He was very pro and quick to reply to emails. Unfortunately he could not make this bolt patten. Fast forward 1 year, I order a chain ring and wait for it to turn up, after 2 months I started to send emails with no response. A google search found this thread. Should of googled first, oh well - such is life.

    Has anyone knocked on this blokes door and offered to dust off his eyebrows free of charge?

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