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    Headset

    What's the hot headset for a 29er Single Speed these days? Besides Chris King.

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    Cane Creek 110. Is this the Karl I rode with on Wooden Wheels?
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    the 110 has proven to be a P.O.S... If you're looking for a mid-high range headset, check out crank-bros offerings. I've been pleased with the one I am running on my stumpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Grove
    the 110 has proven to be a P.O.S... If you're looking for a mid-high range headset, check out crank-bros offerings. I've been pleased with the one I am running on my stumpy.
    If you decide to check out the Crank Brothers Directset, keep in mind that it has a really low stack height. On some 29er's, the fork barely clears the downtube, so going with a low stack-height headset might be an issue. But I guess it's only an issue if you crash or the bike falls over. Also, you might have more clearance if you're running a rigid fork.

    Hadn't heard any negatives about the Cane Creek 110. I'd love to hear the details of any bad experiences since I was thinking about buying one...

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    the 110 has proven to be a P.O.S...
    Whos proven it? I've only heard good things. And honestly there hasen't been a peep out of my cane creek S-3 which is about half the price as the 110
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    I wrench at my LBS and I've installed/watched quite a few being installed and ridden for a bit by the locals, etc. After about 3 months or use, we saw TWO that came back with seized bearings.

    Now, that being said, I will retract my previous statement, partially...

    -over-tightening
    -fluke headsets
    -absolutely horrible riding conditions/bike maintaining on owners part

    any of the above could've caused those issues (and possibly more as well). So at that, what I have personally seen has turned me away from cane creek headsets. Especially because there are other products out there that are easily available to me.

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    Cane Creek 110. I've had nothing but good luck with my Cane Creeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amishscum
    If you decide to check out the Crank Brothers Directset, keep in mind that it has a really low stack height. On some 29er's, the fork barely clears the downtube, so going with a low stack-height headset might be an issue. But I guess it's only an issue if you crash or the bike falls over. Also, you might have more clearance if you're running a rigid fork.

    Hadn't heard any negatives about the Cane Creek 110. I'd love to hear the details of any bad experiences since I was thinking about buying one...
    Crank Brothers offers a thicker/taller crown race to help with clearance issues
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    aluminium has a tendency to fail when you need it most. i.e. you end up with a bad day.

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    Sorry to hijack your thread but what exactly does a headset do and why would someone need to upgrade it? Is there a link someone can provide? Im a newb, sorry.

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    thanks

    I'm building up a new frame, so I need a headset.

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    CC 110. 9 mos of ABUSE and pristine.
    I've heard some bad things about the Crank Bros.....not trolling/flamin - just what I've seen pics of on some other threads around here.

    A number of people swear that buying more than a CC S-3 is a waste of $$$$......

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    Wooden Wheels

    Sorry, but Wooden Wheels trail doesn't ring a bell. Where is it?

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    I understand that, and to add my uneducated .02, i think that the chris king looks badass.

    I just dont know what a headset is even for or what it does. Guess i need to do some searching, sorry i got lazy.

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    I've got Cane Creek S-2, S-3 and S-8 on my bikes and they're subject to a fair bit of mud and washing most of the year. I never have any problems with them, so I don't see the need to lay out for more expensive stuff - the C-C's just do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karlf
    Besides Chris King.
    Chris King.

    Why Eff around with anything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy
    Chris King.

    Why Eff around with anything else?

    Because while CKs are good, the CC110 are mo' bettah
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Diesel
    I understand that, and to add my uneducated .02, i think that the chris king looks badass.

    I just dont know what a headset is even for or what it does. Guess i need to do some searching, sorry i got lazy.

    Basically, the headset is the interface between frame and fork. Ball bearings are used to support and suspend the fork in a fixed vertical position while allowing rotation side to side for steering purposes. There are different designs from loose ball bearing to sealed cartridge bearing. For offroad use, sealed cartridge bearings are better because dirt has a much harder time making it into where the ball bearings are kept, meaning they last a helluva lot longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madcap
    Because while CKs are good, the CC110 are mo' bettah
    Meh - this quote made me chuckle...
    "The Cane Creek 110 embodies the sum total of our experience designing and manufacturing high-performance headsets."

    So - instead of a piece of poo, you get the sum total of all the poo they've manufactured.

    And offering a 110 year warranty is just silly.

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    Do a search. Almost every other headset manufacturer out there pays Cane Creek for use of their patents. Chris King refuses to, which has resulted in damaged steer tubes for many people. Chris Kings are great for most people, but the CC110 is now the best in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madcap
    Chris King refuses to, which has resulted in damaged steer tubes for many people.
    Maybe I'm stupid at the internets, but I have found no evidence to back up this statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkboy
    Maybe I'm stupid at the internets, but I have found no evidence to back up this statement.

    Must not have looked very hard for results

    Chris King Headset Problems
    Chris King or Cane Creek?
    Chris King vs Cane Creek?


    There's even a picture of a steer tube damaged by a CK headset in there.
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    Sorry but Chris King's are ugly. Hate the gawdy white letters.

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    everyone knows that it was CANE CREEK that came up with 1 1/8 threadless headsets. and i will add that the headset is prob one of the last parts of your bike that should cause problems. the chris king and all other headsets over 100$ are a solution to a problem that has never existed in XC. if you are a bike snob and need the most bling get the CK. the market has obviously won you over and you enjoy looking at your bike more than riding.

    I ride the CC S-3, and it has never given me any problems, unlike Chris Kings that I've had.
    S-3 is the only headset I'll run. everything else is overpriced, and NO ONE can notice the slight difference in preformance. (assuming installation is correct on both)

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    I just installed a Woodman on my bike. yea I had never heard of them either but priced good, sealed bearings and so far with just a few rides no issues at all. They also come in pretty anodized colors like the Chris King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10speedbiopacefreewheel
    NO ONE can notice the slight difference in preformance

    Exactly. Everyone could be perfectly happy with a CC S-3. I can't tell a difference between that and a CK or CC110. The CK and 110 weigh less than the S-3 and have better bearings, but as far as actually feeling the difference...well, I doubt anyone on this forum could tell which one is which if they were blindfolded.

    FWIW, I run a Hope (I believe it's made by Cane Creek) on one bike, a FSA Pig DH Pro on another, and a Aheadset C4 on yet another. I can't tell a difference in feel between them. However, I can feel a definite difference between most loose ball sets and sealed.
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    Exactly. Everyone could be perfectly happy with a CC S-3.
    +1
    If the S-3 came in colors I would honestly never consider another headset (sometimes its fun to be vain)
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    Quote Originally Posted by madcap
    Basically, the headset is the interface between frame and fork. Ball bearings are used to support and suspend the fork in a fixed vertical position while allowing rotation side to side for steering purposes. There are different designs from loose ball bearing to sealed cartridge bearing. For offroad use, sealed cartridge bearings are better because dirt has a much harder time making it into where the ball bearings are kept, meaning they last a helluva lot longer.
    Ah i see now. Thank you for helping me understand. So what would be the need to upgrade to a better headset from the aheadset that came on my bike? Is it just lighter? Rotate better? Keeps dirt out and lube in better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Diesel
    Ah i see now. Thank you for helping me understand. So what would be the need to upgrade to a better headset from the aheadset that came on my bike? Is it just lighter? Rotate better? Keeps dirt out and lube in better?
    Yes to those, and maybe a fancy color for fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Diesel
    Ah i see now. Thank you for helping me understand. So what would be the need to upgrade to a better headset from the aheadset that came on my bike? Is it just lighter? Rotate better? Keeps dirt out and lube in better?

    If it works fine now I wouldn't upgrade. Replace it when it's ready to be replaced, even if it's a loose ball design. If it moves side to side with no resistance it's probably fine. If it does have resistance or flops around loosely it may just need to be readjusted with the bearing preload top cap, the cap and screw on the very top of the fork steer tube. That screw should be a little more than finger tight, too tight and it will compress the entire assembly too much and make the bearings start to seize meaning resistance, too little and the entire assembly could come apart. You have to loosen the stem's grip on the steer tube first before you do this and retighten the stem afterwards. That allen bolt in the top holds the entire fork/stem/headset/frame assembly together at whatever tension it's screwed to, which again should only be a little more than hand tight. The only benefits of higher end headsets are less weight, fancy colors, and better seals to keep dirt out. Headsets that come stock on complete bikes are generally good for a couple of years. When needing replacement, if you go with something like a Cane Creek S-3 at around $40 or something better you'll have a headset that may last 5 years or more.
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    Anyone else besides me stock up on the 1 1/8" Cane Creek S-2 when they were on sale at Nashbar for $15? I picked up 3

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    Too small a sample size for me?

    I have 3 Kings ($90.00), 2 WTB Momentum C ($30.00)(I'm not sure this is even made anymore) 1 Crank Brothers Directset SL ($90.00). Honestly, I have had no problems with any of these headsets and the function is so basic (2/3 of a circle back and forth a bunch of times). I'm not sure it matters a whole lot as long as it is installed properly and used for its intended purpose. You are not going to go on a downhill run with a WalMart bike but it may get you to work and back over a couple miles so don't go dirt jumping on an XC designed headset. If it wears out or malfunctions then upgrade to what you feel is the best value.
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    i've had the 110 on mine for about a year. still smooth as butter. no creaking, no nothing.

    the reason i went with something a little more expensive is the whole idea of setting it and forgetting it. maybe it won't last 110 years... but if it lasts 10, it's money well spent. any part that actually moves on the bike deserves to have some money spent on it to assure that it's not going to fail.

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    FWIW: I have a CK on one bike, a 110 on another and an S-3 on the third.
    As others have said, I can't tell a freakin difference.

    The CK is red ano and matches my other blingy stuff on that bike. The 110 is on another blingy stead I built. Those 2 bikes were put together w/ some over the top parts as a "dirty little indulgence."

    IMHO, the CK and 110 are easy on the eyes but way overpriced......

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    FSA Pig DH Pro is an amazingly well made headset, for the money. Makes my Cane Creek S2 (also very well made) look like a tinker toy by comparison. When the stock headset in my D440 wears out, the Pig is going in. Doubt I'll ever wear it out.

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    How much can it cost them to make sealed ball bearing? If you're getting them from china, which they probably are less than $5.

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    Woodman headsets. A few bucks more than the Cane Creek S3 and come in colors like the King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CupOfJava
    How much can it cost them to make sealed ball bearing? If you're getting them from china, which they probably are less than $5.

    Most do NOT get them from China. I think there are less than 10 major precision bearing manufacturers in the world, I'm sure there's probably one in China. A lot of sealed cartridge bearings and other precision bearings in the US come from SKF in Germany or NTN in Canada. There's a few others, I can't remember the names, but there's a manufacturer in Italy and Brazil. In the case of bearings, if it's a high precision bearing, it likely didn't come from China, or at least that used to be the case years ago.
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    nevermind

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    +1 on the S-3. I'm a fan of mine. Haven't had to screw around with it, it's cheap and it matches my frame

    There are alot of parts on a bike I'd throw money at before the headset.
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