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    Cannondale 1FG vs. Gary Fisher Rig

    I am looking for a SingleSpeed MTB and am trying to decide between the Gary Fisher Rig and the Cannondale 1FG.

    Much of my riding will be uphill in trying to build leg strength, and I have read that each fork for these two bikes has a solid lockout for that purpose.

    As my budget will only allow one reliable bike, with preferably as little maintenance as possible, anyone have any ideas on which would be the better choice for me?

    I realize the Gary Fisher Rig has 29-inch wheels compared to the the 26-inch wheels of the Cannondale 1FG. I can live with either wheel size as long as, all else equal, I have the best-quality bike of the two.

    Thanks for any help you can give.
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    Try to ride them both...

    as there is one striking difference between the two and it has nothing to do with maintenance...the 1FG is 26" wheels and the Rig is 29" wheels. You'll have to take that into account with your decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nater
    as there is one striking difference between the two and it has nothing to do with maintenance...the 1FG is 26" wheels and the Rig is 29" wheels. You'll have to take that into account with your decision.

    Thanks, Nater. Any thoughts on the Headshok fully-rigid lockout compared to the same feature of the Rock Shox REBA fork on the GF Rig?

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    How about selling the pricey fork on the Rig, replacing it with a simple rigid, and still have the slightly nicer cush of 29" wheels? The Rig gets very good reviews, and offers great value.
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    both are great. get the one that fits better. if you have no idea which fits better, get the one which is from a local bike shop you feel comfortable with. they will fit the bike, perhaps swapping out the stem or something.
    the advice and mechanical skills of a good bike shop with your new bike can be invaluable at times.
    if you are not going through a bike shop... and dont know which fits better... choose based on color? I really have no idea. i have a headshok bike and its great. you cant lose between those two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jh_on_the_cape
    both are great. get the one that fits better. if you have no idea which fits better, get the one which is from a local bike shop you feel comfortable with. they will fit the bike, perhaps swapping out the stem or something.
    the advice and mechanical skills of a good bike shop with your new bike can be invaluable at times.
    if you are not going through a bike shop... and dont know which fits better... choose based on color? I really have no idea. i have a headshok bike and its great. you cant lose between those two.
    happy trails!


    Well, a big part of my dilemma is that none of the authorized LBS retailers here in the Atlanta area for either CANNONDALE or GARY FISHER normally stock SS mountain bikes, stating "they just aren't very popular here" or "there are too many inclines here for SS bikes."

    Therefore, I've been told I'd have to put down a deposit in order for them to "special order" one for me and that they prefer I "be very sure" of whether I'm actually going to buy the bike once they receive it. Otherwise, they feel they'll get stuck with inventory for which they do not perceive local demand.

    So, that brings me to this point of trying to get as much third-party advice from the kindness of strangers I can in order to base my decision.

    Without advice from those with SS experience, the best I could try to do is try to test ride somewhat-similar bikes here locally and HOPE those rides would closely translate to the SS models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    Well, a big part of my dilemma is that none of the authorized LBS retailers here in the Atlanta area for either CANNONDALE or GARY FISHER normally stock SS mountain bikes, stating "they just aren't very popular here" or "there are too many inclines here for SS bikes."

    Therefore, I've been told I'd have to put down a deposit in order for them to "special order" one for me and that they prefer I "be very sure" of whether I'm actually going to buy the bike once they receive it. Otherwise, they feel they'll get stuck with inventory for which they do not perceive local demand.

    So, that brings me to this point of trying to get as much third-party advice from the kindness of strangers I can in order to base my decision.

    Without advice from those with SS experience, the best I could try to do is try to test ride somewhat-similar bikes here locally and HOPE those rides would closely translate to the SS models.
    I haven't ridden the Cannondale, but I do have a Rig. I really like it. I came from full suspension and I figured the frame would be super harsh but it really is smooth. I did add a ti post though. The larger wheels do make a difference. Not as much as some would have you believe (like people that say they had a 4x4 or 5x5 and now ride a fully rigid 29er and it is just as cushy, whatever!), but a definite improvement over a 26 inch bike. The Reba is a great fork. The lockout is not quite fully locked. The fork will give just a bit (not much) and you can control how much force it will take to become active with the blowoff valve. For climbing or riding on the street it works great. When its fully active its soaks up the bumps very well, but I am in the Midwest so I haven't really taken it off anything too big. I think with a 29er the only drawback will be wheel products and the choices you have, eg rims and tires. If you are ordering a Rig you might have to wait a bit, although some are saying the 06's will be here in July or August. I had to order mine from out of state and have it shipped, as no shop within 200 miles of me had one (an '05 that is). But I was able to ride one before hand. You might try Ebay or the mtbr.com classifieds. At least you will pay less which might make it easier to swallow if you don't end up liking it. I would say from my time spent on the 29er forums that you would not have any problem selling the Rig if you didn't end up liking it, not sure about the demand on the 1FG.

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    "there are too many inclines here for SS bikes." - First laugh loudly at them. Then inform them they need to sack up follwed by walking out of the store and not buying anything from them. Obviously they haven't a clue.
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    My thoughts exactly...

    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    "there are too many inclines here for SS bikes." - First laugh loudly at them. Then inform them they need to sack up follwed by walking out of the store and not buying anything from them. Obviously they haven't a clue.
    Hilly courses are where SS bikes excel...under strong riders. Here in our state race series (in Wisconsin) a frequent poster here had what I think is his best result of the year last weekend when the circuit finally hit a hilly course. He always races SS (a RIG this year), races elite class, always places very well, but placed 3rd overall in the Pro/Expert/Elite class and the 2 guys that beat him were pros...congrats Creepyfriendly! On the flat courses is where you'll run out gear inches and spin your little legs off on the SS.

    I've got a 26" Reba on my geary dual sus bike and am very happy with it. If I put a shock on a SS someday...it will be a Reba with a Pop-Loc. I don't have any experience with a Headshock at all so I can't offer you anything there.

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    I'm surprised they didn't spout something just as bogus about 29'ers.

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    Vote: Rig.

    Come on up and visit me in Asheville. The shop I ride for is a C-dale dealer, and just up the road is a Fisher dealer. You can try them both, but I don't feel 26" wheels can hold a candle to the bigger hoops; esp for a SS. That is my opinion, and I could be wrong.

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    Rig!

    Why rig? Because its damn sexy. Great buy for the money not to mention you'll be riding big wheels. The genesis geometry puts your center of gravity over the rear wheel making climbing a breeze. Massive clearance out back and will double as a great cross bike in the fall.
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    New question here. Size Matters

    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    I am looking for a SingleSpeed MTB and am trying to decide between the Gary Fisher Rig and the Cannondale 1FG.

    Much of my riding will be uphill in trying to build leg strength, and I have read that each fork for these two bikes has a solid lockout for that purpose.

    As my budget will only allow one reliable bike, with preferably as little maintenance as possible, anyone have any ideas on which would be the better choice for me?

    I realize the Gary Fisher Rig has 29-inch wheels compared to the the 26-inch wheels of the Cannondale 1FG. I can live with either wheel size as long as, all else equal, I have the best-quality bike of the two.

    Thanks for any help you can give.
    How big are you?

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    Too hilly in Georgia? Those guys need to get out of Atlanta a little more and maybe they realize you live in a flat area. A little further north and more mountainous than Atlanta by far, my local C-dale LBS has sold more 1FGs this year than all other C-dale hardtails combined. If the local GF dealer could actually get Rigs he’d sell them all day.

    Theirs a huge fit difference between those 2 bikes I personally would even begin to compare them on anything but fit first. I bought my wife a Rig recently she is 5’-9” and fit the small Rig well but felt cramped on a med 1FG.

    IMHO 29” beats 26” hands down on anything under 7” of travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by creepyfriendly
    Why rig? Because its damn sexy. Great buy for the money not to mention you'll be riding big wheels. The genesis geometry puts your center of gravity over the rear wheel making climbing a breeze. Massive clearance out back and will double as a great cross bike in the fall.


    Hi, creepyfriendly.

    One poster said the fork on the Rig (Rock Shox REBA) won't lock out completely, leaving a small 'bob' when pedaling uphill.

    What has been your lockout experience with your Rig's fork for climbing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee
    How big are you?

    I am 6'2 and roughly 215 - 220 lbs.

    Any ideas of frames sizes that best take advantage of the 1FG or Rig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by czardonic
    I'm surprised they didn't spout something just as bogus about 29'ers.

    Actually, one of the Gary Fisher dealers did say roughly the same thing about the area "being too 'hilly'/too many inclines" for 29-inch wheels when explaining why they not only did NOT carry SS mountain bikes but that they declined to carry the Gary Fisher 29er series as well. The salesperson said 29-inch wheels are too hard for people to constantly pedal uphill.

    I am okay with either the 26-inch or 29-inch wheels. My primary goal is to find the best of these two bikes that will be a truly solid, well-built dependable ride that won't have to be taken to the shop every month for repairs.

    Although I can only afford one, I refuse to miss out on both of these great bikes because of a prevailing misconception with area LBS owners/management who don't want to stock them regularly.

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    I'd go with the Rig. I think you'd get a decent bike either way.

    I just fininshed building a new 26" SS about the time converted my CX to SS and put big tires on it. Having ridden both over the same terrain (many steep climbs), I don't think I will be buying another 26" bike. Both are full rigid, and the MTB being Ti, there isn't much of a weight difference. The larger wheels really do make a difference, even with skinnier tires. With 2.1"+ tires, its no competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    Actually, one of the Gary Fisher dealers did say roughly the same thing about the area "being too 'hilly'/too many inclines" for 29-inch wheels when explaining why they not only did NOT carry SS mountain bikes but that they declined to carry the Gary Fisher 29er series as well. The salesperson said 29-inch wheels are too hard for people to constantly pedal uphill.

    I have nothing constructive to add. My only reason to post is the apparent lack of knowledge that these shops seem to have. I ride mainly from my backdoor, above 8000 feet in the Rockies and only ride single. "Too hard for people to peddle", hmmph.
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    I have even less to add, apart from that the bike business as a whole for some reason still exists today after more than a decade despite a lack of knowledge and insight seen no-where else, from naufacturer to retailer. In the late 70's, cyclocross riders wanted bigger tires than 43-45c, and it took 2 decades of 26" MTB craze for it to happen. And even when in 1999 29" happened thanks to WTB, it took them 6 years to get where it's now, and they're still not making enough bikes to answer to the demand. Isn't an industry supposed to be ahead of it's consumers? Thank goodness for Fisher and Surly.

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    [QUOTE=georgia_lad]Actually, one of the Gary Fisher dealers did say roughly the same thing about the area "being too 'hilly'/too many inclines" for 29-inch wheels when explaining why they not only did NOT carry SS mountain bikes but that they declined to carry the Gary Fisher 29er series as well. The salesperson said 29-inch wheels are too hard for people to constantly pedal uphill.



    FIRST OFF---Smack that dumb ass sales person! He is either ignorant, stoopid, or just a whimpy ass inexperienced shop monkey.

    Second- I live here in Santa Cruz, and when i go for a ride it involves a lot of climbing. At least 1,,500 -2,000 ft of overall gain per session. So I FART in the general direction of the notion that " 29-inch wheels are too hard for people to constantly pedal uphill."

    3rd- I own a RIG and my neighbor owns a 1FG. I LOOVE my Rig. I thought it was going to be more difficult than my 26er to pedal up hill, etc but, it's actually easier for me.

    -the REBA shock in "lock out" does give a little bob when going uphill BUT, gives u a little feedback so when ur cranking uphill, its more like a natural and smooth running motion.
    -since the wheels are bigger, and since my fork is uncut w lots of spacers, my handle bars are higher, so when im out of the saddle cranking, im more upright so i pedal more effeciently and dont strain my aging 39year old back.
    -the 29er wheels fly down hill, suck up bumps and dips in the trail and just rock.
    -the only upgrade i can even dream of making to the bike would b a Ti seatpost to abosorb some of the feed back from desending down hill at high speeds, (i did swap out the saddle and put my egg beater pedals on it of course).

    THE SKINNY on the 1FG:
    -OVERPRISED for what you get. Retail the bike used to go for 1,300 vs the Rig 900.
    -true the fork on the 1FG does lock out and the Rig has a bit of a bob on the Reba, BUT...the Reba is a way better fork in my and my neighbors opinion: more travel, absorbs bumps better, and doesnt feel like ur washing out on a turn.
    -my friends big complaint about the 1FG is that it is way to harsh a ride. in fact he's now gone back to mostly riding his FSR again.
    -the bottom bracket on the 1FG seems to canstantly need tightening! id say on at least 33% of the rides ive gone on w my friend, he has had to tighten down the BB onhis 1FG during our ride, which of course is evident from his dropped chain during a flat section.

    anyway, if you compare them id definatley say the RIG is the way to go. BTW im 6ft tall, 220 lbs and 32" inseam, so the medium (17.5") Rig works very well for me as far as size goes. good luck!

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    Creepyfriendly rides...

    a Karate Monkey fork on his Rig...check the picture. I think the Reba will bob a little bit when locked out climbing but it's not a problem or even noticeable. Definitely not a reason to not buy the Rig.

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    lock out schmock out.

    Yes, the "bob" is characteristic of any rock shox lock out forks. It acts as a safety for when you take a major impact when in the lock out mode. By no means will this slow your climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    Actually, one of the Gary Fisher dealers did say roughly the same thing about the area "being too 'hilly'/too many inclines" for 29-inch wheels when explaining why they not only did NOT carry SS mountain bikes but that they declined to carry the Gary Fisher 29er series as well. The salesperson said 29-inch wheels are too hard for people to constantly pedal uphill.
    Good lord. I continue to be amazed by the ignorance of flatlanders. Reminds me of some of the stuff I heard living in Iowa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    I have nothing constructive to add. My only reason to post is the apparent lack of knowledge that these shops seem to have. I ride mainly from my backdoor, above 8000 feet in the Rockies and only ride single. "Too hard for people to peddle", hmmph.

    maybe the only people that buy bikes from that shop are puss1es

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    [QUOTE=fire horse]
    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    Actually, one of the Gary Fisher dealers did say roughly the same thing about the area "being too 'hilly'/too many inclines" for 29-inch wheels when explaining why they not only did NOT carry SS mountain bikes but that they declined to carry the Gary Fisher 29er series as well. The salesperson said 29-inch wheels are too hard for people to constantly pedal uphill.



    FIRST OFF---Smack that dumb ass sales person! He is either ignorant, stoopid, or just a whimpy ass inexperienced shop monkey.

    Second- I live here in Santa Cruz, and when i go for a ride it involves a lot of climbing. At least 1,,500 -2,000 ft of overall gain per session. So I FART in the general direction of the notion that " 29-inch wheels are too hard for people to constantly pedal uphill."

    3rd- I own a RIG and my neighbor owns a 1FG. I LOOVE my Rig. I thought it was going to be more difficult than my 26er to pedal up hill, etc but, it's actually easier for me.

    -the REBA shock in "lock out" does give a little bob when going uphill BUT, gives u a little feedback so when ur cranking uphill, its more like a natural and smooth running motion.
    -since the wheels are bigger, and since my fork is uncut w lots of spacers, my handle bars are higher, so when im out of the saddle cranking, im more upright so i pedal more effeciently and dont strain my aging 39year old back.
    -the 29er wheels fly down hill, suck up bumps and dips in the trail and just rock.
    -the only upgrade i can even dream of making to the bike would b a Ti seatpost to abosorb some of the feed back from desending down hill at high speeds, (i did swap out the saddle and put my egg beater pedals on it of course).

    THE SKINNY on the 1FG:
    -OVERPRISED for what you get. Retail the bike used to go for 1,300 vs the Rig 900.
    -true the fork on the 1FG does lock out and the Rig has a bit of a bob on the Reba, BUT...the Reba is a way better fork in my and my neighbors opinion: more travel, absorbs bumps better, and doesnt feel like ur washing out on a turn.
    -my friends big complaint about the 1FG is that it is way to harsh a ride. in fact he's now gone back to mostly riding his FSR again.
    -the bottom bracket on the 1FG seems to canstantly need tightening! id say on at least 33% of the rides ive gone on w my friend, he has had to tighten down the BB onhis 1FG during our ride, which of course is evident from his dropped chain during a flat section.

    anyway, if you compare them id definatley say the RIG is the way to go. BTW im 6ft tall, 220 lbs and 32" inseam, so the medium (17.5") Rig works very well for me as far as size goes. good luck!


    Thanks, Fire Horse.

    How often/How much adjustment is needed for the BB on the Rig compared to your friend's Cannondale 1 FG? Any other unxpected issues with Eccentric Bottom Bracket for either bike?

    Is this type of adjustment to be expected for all 1 FG & Rig models, or just the 2005 versions?

    Is the switch for your lockout for the REBA fork mounted on the handlebars, or do you have to reach down to the fork to activate it?

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    get the new Kona.

    It's a sweet color, no ebb to mess with, disc only, replaceable dropouts, cool geometry, $420 for frame, 29er. Nuf said.
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    RE: Lockouts on Rock Shox REBA and Cannondale Headshok


    Are the lockouts on these forks pieces of metal that actually "lock" into place to prevent fork travel when turned, or are they simply caps over air valves that prohibit travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    RE: Lockouts on Rock Shox REBA and Cannondale Headshok


    Are the lockouts on these forks pieces of metal that actually "lock" into place to prevent fork travel when turned, or are they simply caps over air valves that prohibit travel?
    I don't know about the Headshok, but I think the Reba uses a hydraulic lockout, meaning it prevents the flow of oil. That's as good as a metal locking mechanism. My two Rebas lockout completely, without any bob, so the guy who mentioned his still moved might not have adjusted the Floodgate to full-closed.

    At your height, definitely get a 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    Thanks, Fire Horse.

    How often/How much adjustment is needed for the BB on the Rig compared to your friend's Cannondale 1 FG? Any other unxpected issues with Eccentric Bottom Bracket for either bike?

    Is this type of adjustment to be expected for all 1 FG & Rig models, or just the 2005 versions?

    Is the switch for your lockout for the REBA fork mounted on the handlebars, or do you have to reach down to the fork to activate it?
    -in the 3 months that ive owned the Rig, ive only had to adjust the wedge type EBB once, and that was because i had stretched the chain out within the first month of riding. with any EBB, make sure that before u buy the bike that it is WELL greased. the bros at the Bike Trip here in Santa Cruz didnt charge me a cent to come in and loosen the EBB and tighten up the chain tension, plus i get a 90 day free servicing.

    my friend's 1FG seems to need constant tightening and he is about 60lbs lighter than me. this is due, i believe to the inherently flawed design of the 1FG's EBB. The extractor strips out easily and requires knocking the hell out of it or as they say..."gentle blunt force displacement" and i think the OEM Truvativ BB seals are just junk, (winter rains killed them). and as ive mentioned before, he frequently has to stop to tighten his EBB. id say not the best EBB for folks that like to hammer hills.

    -Rig chain tension adjustment depends on if ur able to stretch out the chain or not, 2005 is the first year for this model.

    1FG has been in production for what..2 or 3 years now and as far as i know they havent changed out the sucky EBB design, BUT...at least the bike is more American made than most.

    -Reba on the Rig is on the right side of the top section of the fork. you can buy the "Pop-Lock" remote lockout trigger to mount on ur handle bars but i dont think this extra bit it necessary, after simplicity and resourcefulness is key to being a singlespeeder. the pop lock is a go if you are a downhiller and reaching down for .5 seconds could spell death. if ur a cross coutry rider, its not necessary.

    -anyway the Rig definately gets my vote. id only advise the 1FG if you are into riding very tight single track where the smaller wheels may be of some advantage. although ive definatley adapted my riding style where this isint a factor for me anymore, (you learn to anticipate things sooner with bigger wheels). or if you like riding flat surfaces the 1FG may be ...okay. the aluminum frame plus the aluminum fork are really very jarring, (even with the limited travel). well good luck!

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    pros and cons

    The best thing about the Rig is 29" wheels, really the only negative in my opinion is an aluminum frame but, if I'm not mistaken the 1FG has that too.

    As a big guy you will benefit from bigger wheels, probably better geometry, and a better fork with the Rig. Of course for not too much more you could go custom steel
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    Actually the 1fg 2005 ebb is a new design that I think is much better then years past.



    Quote Originally Posted by fire horse
    -in the 3 months that ive owned the Rig, ive only had to adjust the wedge type EBB once, and that was because i had stretched the chain out within the first month of riding. with any EBB, make sure that before u buy the bike that it is WELL greased. the bros at the Bike Trip here in Santa Cruz didnt charge me a cent to come in and loosen the EBB and tighten up the chain tension, plus i get a 90 day free servicing.

    my friend's 1FG seems to need constant tightening and he is about 60lbs lighter than me. this is due, i believe to the inherently flawed design of the 1FG's EBB. The extractor strips out easily and requires knocking the hell out of it or as they say..."gentle blunt force displacement" and i think the OEM Truvativ BB seals are just junk, (winter rains killed them). and as ive mentioned before, he frequently has to stop to tighten his EBB. id say not the best EBB for folks that like to hammer hills.

    -Rig chain tension adjustment depends on if ur able to stretch out the chain or not, 2005 is the first year for this model.

    1FG has been in production for what..2 or 3 years now and as far as i know they havent changed out the sucky EBB design, BUT...at least the bike is more American made than most.

    -Reba on the Rig is on the right side of the top section of the fork. you can buy the "Pop-Lock" remote lockout trigger to mount on ur handle bars but i dont think this extra bit it necessary, after simplicity and resourcefulness is key to being a singlespeeder. the pop lock is a go if you are a downhiller and reaching down for .5 seconds could spell death. if ur a cross coutry rider, its not necessary.

    -anyway the Rig definately gets my vote. id only advise the 1FG if you are into riding very tight single track where the smaller wheels may be of some advantage. although ive definatley adapted my riding style where this isint a factor for me anymore, (you learn to anticipate things sooner with bigger wheels). or if you like riding flat surfaces the 1FG may be ...okay. the aluminum frame plus the aluminum fork are really very jarring, (even with the limited travel). well good luck!

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    One more thing there is a significant price difference between the two bikes. Trek is running a promotion of 15% off all their bikes (GF, Klien included) during the tour. That puts the $1100 Rig at $935 vs. approximately $1400 for the 1FG.

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    A little 1FG info

    Let me dispell a little misinformation in this thread about the 1FG.

    I have an '03 that I've been on for about 2 years.

    The EBB - Yeah, the EBB design on the '03s is stupid since the tightening bolt is on the drive side and very difficult to get to. This has since been fixed. The newer models allow you to flip the EBB so you can get to the bolt from the non-drive side. Never, ever, ever had a problem with the EBB slipping. Neither has a friend of mine with an '05. Just gotta tighten the bolt sufficiently.

    Headshock - the most solid lockout of any fork I've ever tried. The headshock design is not loved by all, but I prefer it over "regular" shocks. The travel is limited, but smooth. None of the side to side slop that you can get with other shocks. It is almost as precise as a rigid fork.

    Harsh ride - Yeah, the rear end is a bit stiff. Personally, I like that since it also means that it accellerates like a scalded cat. Bigger tubeless tires help to mitigate that alot.

    Price - yup, the Rig is a hell of a bargain. I guess you pay a bit extra for "made in the USA" - or something.

    I think the biggest decision point here is 29er vs 26er. For short guys like me a 29er is just too big. Also, although the 29ers roll over logs and such with much ease, they can be a bit harder to flick through tight singletrack - or so I'm told by those who have both.

    Honestly, I think you'll get a great bike either way. Really depends on what you are looking for.

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    [QUOTE=fire horse][QUOTE=georgia_lad]

    -the REBA shock in "lock out" does give a little bob when going uphill BUT, gives u a little feedback so when ur cranking uphill, its more like a natural and smooth running motion.
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    Hey, Fire Horse.

    Nat posted the following in this thread:


    "-don't know about the Headshok, but I think the Reba uses a hydraulic lockout, meaning it prevents the flow of oil. That's as good as a metal locking mechanism. My two Rebas lockout completely, without any bob, so the guy who mentioned his still moved might not have adjusted the Floodgate to full-closed."



    Did you know about this for your Rig's fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endomaniac
    One more thing there is a significant price difference between the two bikes. Trek is running a promotion of 15% off all their bikes (GF, Klien included) during the tour. That puts the $1100 Rig at $935 vs. approximately $1400 for the 1FG.


    Would one have to buy a Gary Fisher/Trek by this weekend, the end of the tour, in order to get the bike at the discounted price?

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    RE: Rig Rock Shox REBA Fork Maintenance




    How much, or how regular, is oil needed to be added to the REBA fork?

    Anyone know of any problems with leaks, seal problems, etc, specifically with 2005 models?

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    I'm a Ga. rider and have spent some time recently riding and racing a Karate Monkey 29 SS, and my SS converted Cannondale F1000sl. Monkey worked great for the Snake Creek Gap TT, and the Macon (Children's Home) course (same gearing!) and Oak Mountain. I used the 26" wheeled Dale for a couple of tighter races at Heritage (7 lap SS shootout), and Macon (Arrowhead). We definitely have some tight courses here that "feel" quicker on the smaller wheels, but at your size I'd think the 29er might be a better "fit" though.

    Oh yeah, Bike Center has a 1FG on the floor of their Peachtree City store.
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    I had a 1FG

    I had a 1FG until about 2 months ago...sold it to pay for a Niner one nine that should be here this week. My love for 29inch wheels was a deal braker on the 1fg. I loved the bike, there just isn't room in the stable for 2 SS bikes. I loved the lockout on the top of the fork. It came with big fat tires and a nice frame. By the way I NEVER had any problems with the EBB. I took it apart once to check out how the whole thing worked, but no slippage ever.

    Fisher frame is pretty beefy. I think the 1FG frame is lighter. The only thing the Rig has on the Cannondale is tire size. I think the Cannondale would be the way I would go if I could just throw 29 wheels in that baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    Thanks, Fire Horse.

    How often/How much adjustment is needed for the BB on the Rig compared to your friend's Cannondale 1 FG? Any other unxpected issues with Eccentric Bottom Bracket for either bike?

    Is this type of adjustment to be expected for all 1 FG & Rig models, or just the 2005 versions?

    Is the switch for your lockout for the REBA fork mounted on the handlebars, or do you have to reach down to the fork to activate it?

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    Well for what it's worth I really like my 1FG........

    Granted I have spent a few bucks in upgrades, but my thought process was the frame alone was worth doing the upgrades and cost involved. I like the Headshock also. This bike is a real solid very fast performer with the additions I have made Granted, it is stiff, but it also very F A S T. It's a trade off in my opinion in a lot of cases based on my own testing. Anyway................

    Ride it like you stole it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    Would one have to buy a Gary Fisher/Trek by this weekend, the end of the tour, in order to get the bike at the discounted price?
    I don't know, but I found a 19" Rig at a Trek shop yesterday and the sale price was $900. I bought it and broke it in today. I like it. A lot. I also have lots of creaking now, so I have to do some serious greasing before the next ride. But, I think the 29" wheels are very good and I like the package.

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    hmm..its possible...

    [QUOTE=georgia_lad][QUOTE=fire horse]
    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad

    -the REBA shock in "lock out" does give a little bob when going uphill BUT, gives u a little feedback so when ur cranking uphill, its more like a natural and smooth running motion.
    QUOTE]


    Hey, Fire Horse.

    Nat posted the following in this thread:


    "-don't know about the Headshok, but I think the Reba uses a hydraulic lockout, meaning it prevents the flow of oil. That's as good as a metal locking mechanism. My two Rebas lockout completely, without any bob, so the guy who mentioned his still moved might not have adjusted the Floodgate to full-closed."



    Did you know about this for your Rig's fork?

    Im still figuring out the dang thing. Im new to suspension, so its possible that i havent gotten the fork 100% dialed in.

    Oh by the way, im a UGa grad, ('91 Envrionmental Health Science). I used to live in Athens (of course) and Atlanta during the early and rather dark days of mountain biking, '88-'93. In fact, i used to trail bag my old rigid KHS up and down what is now the GA 400 while it was under construction. I lived off of Buford Hwy, and would pedal over past Lenox mall and drop in to the hwy construction area. It was great i had the WHOLE enchalada to myself. miles and miles of mud, single track, and home made jumps n bumps...ahh why did they have to complete it? (hehehe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire horse
    Oh by the way, im a UGa grad, ('91 Envrionmental Health Science). I used to live in Athens (of course) and Atlanta during the early and rather dark days of mountain biking, '88-'93. In fact, i used to trail bag my old rigid KHS up and down what is now the GA 400 while it was under construction. I lived off of Buford Hwy, and would pedal over past Lenox mall and drop in to the hwy construction area. It was great i had the WHOLE enchalada to myself. miles and miles of mud, single track, and home made jumps n bumps...ahh why did they have to complete it? (hehehe)

    Man, that sounds like it was fun. It makes me wished I lived near the now-completed GA 400 at that time.

    I wish they never completed that awful road, either!

    Biking it would HAVE to be more fun than driving it during rush hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff Malibu
    Well for what it's worth I really like my 1FG........

    Granted I have spent a few bucks in upgrades, but my thought process was the frame alone was worth doing the upgrades and cost involved. I like the Headshock also. This bike is a real solid very fast performer with the additions I have made Granted, it is stiff, but it also very F A S T. It's a trade off in my opinion in a lot of cases based on my own testing. Anyway................

    Ride it like you stole it!


    I really DO have to admit that the 1FG in your photo is quite a beautiful bike.

    What upgrades have you made to the stocke equipment?

    Did you test ride the Gary Fisher Rig SS before getting the Cannondale?

    May I ask how tall/large you are?


    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biff Malibu
    Well for what it's worth I really like my 1FG........

    Granted I have spent a few bucks in upgrades, but my thought process was the frame alone was worth doing the upgrades and cost involved. I like the Headshock also. This bike is a real solid very fast performer with the additions I have made Granted, it is stiff, but it also very F A S T. It's a trade off in my opinion in a lot of cases based on my own testing. Anyway................

    Ride it like you stole it!


    I really DO have to admit that the 1FG in your photo is quite a beautiful bike.

    What upgrades have you made to the stocke equipment?

    Did you test ride the Gary Fisher Rig SS before getting the Cannondale?

    May I ask how tall/large you are?


    Thanks.

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    Rock Shox REBA Fork Total Lockout

    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I don't know about the Headshok, but I think the Reba uses a hydraulic lockout, meaning it prevents the flow of oil. That's as good as a metal locking mechanism. My two Rebas lockout completely, without any bob, so the guy who mentioned his still moved might not have adjusted the Floodgate to full-closed.




    I got the chance to test ride the Gary Fisher X-Caliber (the geared version of the RIG, as no RIG models were available) when the TREK/FISHER Demo Team came to Atlanta this weekend. From what the rep told me, the X-Caliber is identical to the RIG with the obvious exception fo the gears.
    I have to admit I was very impressed with how plush the ride seemed with the 29-inch wheels.

    When I asked him about being able to fully lock out the REBA fork to make it totally rigid, he told me that it couldn't be done. He stated the "bob" left in the fork's "lockout" compression setting was an intentional safety mechanism designed to prevent a valve rupture if case of a rider forgetting to unlock the fork before a decent.

    Is the fully rigid lockout state on the REBA you were able to achieve an engineering marvel on your behalf that circumvented the warnings in the owner's manual, or was the TREK/FISHER rep uninformed or simply 'towing the company line' to save the company from having to deal with potential fork malfuncitons?


    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad


    Is the fully rigid lockout state on the REBA you were able to achieve an engineering marvel on your behalf that circumvented the warnings in the owner's manual, or was the TREK/FISHER rep uninformed or simply 'towing the company line' to save the company from having to deal with potential fork malfuncitons?
    Don't know what to tell you, other than I think you're worrying too much about it. I specifically paid attention to it on my ride a couple of days ago because of this thread, and I still don't detect any bob. I stand up and mash most climbs too. Maybe the Rep was talking about the blowoff valve to prevent damage, because that exists on my forks. I don't see how allowing a little bit of bob would prevent any damage on a big hit locked out. If the thought of it's going to bother you, then the Reba is probably not for you. You might just want to get a rigid fork and be done with it.

    Edit: Wait a minute, you test rode a bike with a Reba? Did you lock out the fork and test it for yourself? That'd give you the answer to your lockout question right there!
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    Currently a 2-Month Wait for the GARY FISHER RIG???

    The TREK/FISHER rep with whom I spoke on Saturday about the GF Rig told me there is currently a 2-month backorder delay on the bike. Can this really be accurate?

    He explained that the '05 models are done and they are currently using the '06 models to fill the backlog of orders for this year's version.
    Does anyone have any insight on this?

    Anybody know how much the '06 RIG might/will differ from the '05?

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    I really DO have to admit that the 1FG in your photo is quite a beautiful bike.

    What upgrades have you made to the stocke equipment?

    Did you test ride the Gary Fisher Rig SS before getting the Cannondale?

    May I ask how tall/large you are?


    Thanks.
    Thanks

    I am 6ft 195lbs.

    So far I upgraded the crank to a White Ind along with carbon bars and seatpost. A Fizik Gobi saddle and also XTR old school levers. That was one of the biggest improvements in the bike. the levers that come on the bike are dimestore at best. I also got rid of the joke tires that come stock. I just purchased a Chris King wheelset last night and that should wrap my little project up. I really like the bike a lot or I would not have invested in the upgrades. I am also in the process of having a Soulcraft built for me as we speak. But I will keep this bike as it has grown on me and it really is fast which is important to me. I did not ride the RIG before either. Although that bike is no better in it's stock config as I feel you will have to spend a few bucks on it also to get it right. The headshock is what sold me on this bike actually. It works very well and the bike tracks like it's on rails. The RIG needs a fork upgrade right out of the shoot if you ask me. Just my opinion.

    Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgia_lad
    The TREK/FISHER rep with whom I spoke on Saturday about the GF Rig told me there is currently a 2-month backorder delay on the bike. Can this really be accurate?

    He explained that the '05 models are done and they are currently using the '06 models to fill the backlog of orders for this year's version.
    Does anyone have any insight on this?

    Anybody know how much the '06 RIG might/will differ from the '05?
    I believe the '06 rig will be black and will be rigid.
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