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    the beauty of DOS

    dang! this is purty, like a purty moufh
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    very nice, but those do make it difficult to do a 2x2 with vertical dropouts.

    here's how I do 2x2: http://www.pvdwiki.com/index.php?title=PVD_Two-by-Two

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    Are those geriatric gnome pubes all over that thing?
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    might be

    Quote Originally Posted by ~gomez~
    Are those geriatric gnome pubes all over that thing?
    its that stuff form that felt-ish pad on the inside of the box...rather, gnome box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    very nice, but those do make it difficult to do a 2x2 with vertical dropouts.

    here's how I do 2x2: http://www.pvdwiki.com/index.php?title=PVD_Two-by-Two
    Yup, your way is much better....
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    very nice, but those do make it difficult to do a 2x2 with vertical dropouts.

    here's how I do 2x2: http://www.pvdwiki.com/index.php?title=PVD_Two-by-Two
    What's the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nater
    What's the difference?
    look closely.
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    PVD... ENO has a matching crank with 2 gears as well, to keep the chain the same length the same, and keep a nice chain line.

    but if you did use alone, with a single crank gear, using an eccentric ENO rear hub with vert drops would be just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishcreek
    look closely.
    Still don't see it...he's using a cassette hub?

    Edit: See above...it's designed to be used with a crankset with 2 rings differing by the same number of teeth also. It just threads onto a threaded SS hub instead of a converted cassette hub.

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    yes, and spacers. the advantage of it is having to run your own gear combo and not stuck with DOS's 16/18 and 17/19 freewheel.
    everything sucks but my vacuum cleaner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    its that stuff form that felt-ish pad on the inside of the box...rather, gnome box.

    well? is the felt made from geriatric gnome pubes or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    dang! this is purty, like a purty moufh
    I'd love to hear you're explanation at the emergency room. "I slipped and fell on it nurse....."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    dang! this is purty, like a purty moufh
    That's a nice looking device, but the question is.....does it squeal like a pig?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallanaga
    ENO has a matching crank with 2 gears as well, to keep the chain the same length the same, and keep a nice chain line.
    Are you sure about this? What are the gear ratios? Are they even usable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Are you sure about this?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    What are the gear ratios?
    ENO Dos chainring comes in 35/38, freewheel comes in 16/18 and 17/19

    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    Are they even usable?
    I guess that depends on the rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloRider
    Yes.
    ENO Dos chainring comes in 35/38, freewheel comes in 16/18 and 17/19
    For the Double-Double setup, a 16/19 freewheel is used in the rear with the 35/38 front. Only $370! ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloRider
    You may want to double check your math. Those combo's do not work with vertical dropouts.

    see: http://www.pvdwiki.com/index.php?tit...th_Calculation

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    You may want to double check your math. Those combo's do not work with vertical dropouts.

    see: http://www.pvdwiki.com/index.php?tit...th_Calculation
    Aah, vertical drops, no tensioner, missed your first post. Minimal adjustment on any normal SS without needing two chains. How much need is there for 2x2 on non-SS frames anyway? For example your 2x2 wiki bike would work just fine w/ an ENO Dos setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloRider
    For example your 2x2 wiki bike would work just fine w/ an ENO Dos setup.
    but then i would need tools to change gears. this is my point, I only need to use my QR to change gears. I do not need to change axle positions. you cannot do this with the DOS product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvd
    but then i would need tools to change gears. this is my point, I only need to use my QR to change gears. I do not need to change axle positions. you cannot do this with the DOS product.
    I don't run 2x2 and don't think I ever will, but I never find myself without tools and since it takes me less than a minute to reset chain tension, I still don't see the need. Also, 30x19 seems a bit insane as a SS gear to me(not that I'm really into the ENO Dos gear choices either), but if it works for you than that's fine.

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    PVD... you aggravate me. ENO make an eccentric rear hub. think EBB only built into the rear hub. so yes... those gear ratios would work... and then some.



    also... why wouldn't those ratios work? +3 -3 even if you didn't have the eccentric hub, that would keep your chain spot on the same length (your math is fuzzy. who cares about 2 hundredths of an inch... seriously ). i ain't past the bar, but i know a little bit...
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    Those eccentric hubs are a total joke. They remind me of the 'isolator Hubs' of the early ninties. ha ha.

    The question remains, why pay more to do DOS wrong?

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    I can do a Dingle setup with no tools without changing the axle position with any gear ratio as long as it is the same difference. I don't know why you can't. I mean, just get some Tugg-Nuts with the QR washer, set your chain tension using the track ends, then just pop the wheel on and off. Or have sliders to tension the chain. Neither would require setting up the chain tension again and would be compatible with any ratio with any chainstay length.

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    [quote=pvd]Those eccentric hubs are a total joke. They remind me of the 'isolator Hubs' of the early ninties. ha ha. quote]

    Elaborate. I've had one since they came out and it is just now needing new berrings and has worked flawlessly. It gives folks the opertunity to turn a conventional frame w/ vertical dropouts into a ss without using a tensioner. The only flaw is that it changes the frames pitch slightly, but never to a point that it affects how I ride. Thats a very minor thing compared to what you get out of it. And "Isolator" hubs we're nothing of the sort.

    And I would have never gotton into an activity that involved a little "having to make adjustments" every once and a while. I mean you spend hours upon days trying to perfect some new widget, but seem to have an issue spending 30 seconds making a minor adjustment.

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    I think that I speak for everyone on the planet when I say that I wish I were as wise as pvd.
    Also, the streets are full of horizontal dropouts...

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