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    19 single speeders....

    out of 24 riders, and 30+ miles of fun. I am sure there will be more pics soon
    Merril, Mt. Lowe, Gabrielino, near Pasadena.
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    a few more random shots...

    thanks to terminaut for organizing the ride. Beauty of a day for a ride.

    rolling out under foggy skies...


    terminaut was our videographer for the day.


    making acquaintances...


    Steve, Andy aka Rut, HUGH, Dave aka DAS at a rest stop in the sun.


    Hugh - boulder rollin' the Jericho SS.


    EDIT: testing mutiple pics w/captions. Oy.

    later,
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    What a great turnout for some fine riding today! I mostly only shot video so won't have a whole lot of pics to share, but here's one in particular (taken after the ride) that I really like...




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    SoCal kicks ass!

    SoCal kicks ass!

    Guys, I had so much fine on that epic ride. Thanks for organizing and pulling me along. My major objective was to keep my shoulder in its socket: mission accomplished. Shoulder surgery next week. What a great ride... huge climbs, perfect cool weather, great views, miles and miles of single track and 2 dozen cool people who love to ride. And, what's more entertaining than 23 people harrassing Andy? SoCal rules! You guys are so fun. Hope to see you on some other rides soon.

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    Boo hoo!
    Leslie & I are so bummed we had to stay home!
    All I have to say is Hollywood/Hugh's model photo at the end is sending shivers down the spines of women across the world...
    Was Wayne the only rigid rider? That man is core!
    Looks like you guys had a blast!
    Try that one on a Saturday next time! Geez!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Boo hoo!
    Leslie & I are so bummed we had to stay home!
    All I have to say is Hollywood/Hugh's model photo at the end is sending shivers down the spines of women across the world...
    Was Wayne the only rigid rider? That man is core!
    Looks like you guys had a blast!
    Try that one on a Saturday next time! Geez!!

    I was wondering where you two were-

    wayne was not the only rigid- Brian aka donkey was also karate monkey rigid, as was one other KM (DDawg???- sorry- terrible with this)

    one pic for now: molly up in the lead on the climb (somewhere up there)
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    hey ethan.. did you rock the gears or the SS????

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    Damn, looks like Tam's got a friggin HUGE camera strapped to his dome. I like that shot of Hugh and Jeff...kinda captures the "essence" of the ride.

    Jeff dude, get a snip and a shave bro! You're looking tore up!

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    my hazarDAS impreSSions

    many pics, many posts, got to get words in there

    pre-ride setup. have a SS or two....
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    top of three miles of well-hiked switchbacks @ the Mt. Lowe Railway. I think the hikers were cool with us, but many a "hello" went unanswered.
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    another shot. anyone do a "money count" on the bikes total worth? a silly curiosity.

    this was at another waiting point at the midsection of the fire road climb. have a bike or 24.

    (edit: this is where I tried to trade the TituSS for a Seven )
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    onward and upward. yes, molly aka poacher was at the lead of this...at least when they dropped me like a bad habit. and, yes, there are riders in that pic
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    sequence of different riders on some tight switchbacks.

    1- people going back up to re-attempt
    2- drewdawg hitting it
    3- terminaut showing how easy it is.
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    a stream crossing and the following switchbacks. again, not many made those switchbacks. great for hikers, a challenge on two wheels.
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    thanks for the ride, all. one last pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    hey ethan.. did you rock the gears or the SS????
    rocked on the TituSS- and according to some, they were impressed with my climbing ability. I got my 2nd wind when we got to the fireroad and did my best.

    i am currently paying for it- left knee is hozed. going up stairs- bad, going down, not so bad. into the car- bad, out of the car- not so bad. ugh.

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    I am sorry since I am really bad with names, so if you see some one with out a name in a photo please chime in, I'll add the photos in three posts following this one. I had a great time, and will definitely be doing that particular climb more in the future. There were so many new faces, and some old ones too. Can't wait for the next one.
    Mental note if you have bruised ribs do not do this ride.

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    This is a real tight switchback. It is almost necessary to hop it to get around:
    <img src="http://earth.usc.edu/~austink/gab-post/switch1.jpg" width=640 height=480 border=5>

    andy_aka_rut clears it:
    <img src="http://earth.usc.edu/~austink/gab-post/switch2.jpg" width=640 height=480 border=5>


    <img src="http://earth.usc.edu/~austink/gab-post/switch3.jpg" width=640 height=480 border=5>


    <img src="http://earth.usc.edu/~austink/gab-post/switch4.jpg" width=640 height=480 border=5>

    A dab:
    <img src="http://earth.usc.edu/~austink/gab-post/switch5.jpg" width=640 height=480 border=5>

    Terminaut cleans it without hopping
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    A nice rock with a good roll out on the other side.
    A dab:
    <img src="http://earth.usc.edu/~austink/gab-post/rock1.jpg" width=640 height=480 border=5>

    Hugh rolling the rock:
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    Another cleaned attempt
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    Terminaut dropping the table
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    another table drop
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    andy aka rut on an extended ramp
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    andy on a quickly cobbled together teeter-totter
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    Snip & shave?

    I'm goin' 70's bro. Rough and ready to rock. Now where are my hip-hugger bell bottoms?

    Tam was hauling all kinds of gear. He should have some killer vid soon.

    HW

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    Damn, looks like Tam's got a friggin HUGE camera strapped to his dome. I like that shot of Hugh and Jeff...kinda captures the "essence" of the ride.

    Jeff dude, get a snip and a shave bro! You're looking tore up!

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    big thanks to Hurl at CrC for the shirt

    HW

    PS - hey Hugh, nice grip on that bottle.


    Quote Originally Posted by terminaut
    What a great turnout for some fine riding today! I mostly only shot video so won't have a whole lot of pics to share, but here's one in particular (taken after the ride) that I really like...




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    Ouch, got me dabbing, twice! well I made the rock on the second try. I nominate myself for the most spectacular crash, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erol
    Ouch, got me dabbing, twice! well I made the rock on the second try. I nominate myself for the most spectacular crash, too.
    i might have you beat on the dab. hollywood was at the bottom of one of the tight tech sections and has vid of everyone attempting it, except for me.

    thanks, hollywood. jerk.

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    Why can't I see some of the images?

    From the comments, this looks to be a nice thread with nice pictures that I cannot see. Red X's are all I get for most of HW's post. I do see the group pic though. For those who considering an answer to my problem, here's what I'm running:

    • Mac OS10 on a brand new G5 ( too bad it's sitting here on my desk at work and belongs to my employer)
    • Internet Explorer 5.2

    I can see some images but can't see others. I read over on Passion that other Mac users are experiencing the same thing. I've already checked the "view images" boc in my options section and I have the
    view options" thing in IE checked off as well. Any takers!

    Thanks!

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    • Mac OS10 on a brand new G5 ( too bad it's sitting here on my desk at work and belongs to my employer)
    • Internet Explorer 5.2

    I can see some images but can't see others. I read over on Passion that other Mac users are experiencing the same thing. I've already checked the "view images" boc in my options section and I have the
    view options" thing in IE checked off as well. Any takers!
    Try using Safari, which is apple's new browser. I can't see them either with IE 5.2. Note that Micro Squish no longer supports IE for macs, 5.2 was the last update about a year ago. I can see all of the images using the safari browser. You may have to go to apple's web site to get it if it is not installed on the new G5's already. I have not checked the latest Netcape browser, but will soon.

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    Netscape 7.1 works also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowSSer
    thanks for the ride, all. one last pic.
    Hey Ethan, could you email me a full size of that pic.

    gpsser AT singlespeed DOT net

    It was good to ride with ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gpsser
    Hey Ethan, could you email me a full size of that pic.

    gpsser AT singlespeed DOT net

    It was good to ride with ya.
    it was good to ride with you as well.

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    yep, SSafari is the key

    Quote Originally Posted by gpsser
    Try using Safari, which is apple's new browser.
    i can't see any of the pix with ie for mac, but with SSafari they come through clear. no pop-ups with SSafari either. it's a good browser.

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    24 riders showed up for the festivities.


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    [QUOTE=PROGRE-SS]From the comments, this looks to be a nice thread with nice pictures that I cannot see. Red X's are all I get for most of HW's post. I do see the group pic though. For those who considering an answer to my problem, here's what I'm running:

    I am running a mac too viewing in safari and Hollywood looks just as bad.
    no kidding, everything looks fine....

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    Dave Sloan (aks DAS), visiting from WA.


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    Suiting up along Windsor Avenue.


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    Jeff, aka Hollywood.


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    Thanks guys! On a safari I will go! nm

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    Our little peloton heads for Lower Sam Merrill.


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    Steve, Mike, and Josh (hidden by Mike).


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    Ken, aka gpsser.


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    Pete leads the procession.


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    Cool sighting of wild parrots.


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    Bikes everywhere was the theme for the day.


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    Sequence of Andy riding some stairs.






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    Hugh up next...






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    New face in the group. This is Erol.




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    The Karate Honkey, DDawg.


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    Continuing on our ascent to Mt. Wilson.


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    Pit stop near Inspiration Point.


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    We came upon this 15 year-old girl sporting one of the pimpest Foes around!


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    Scott through the rock garden.


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    Ken, Andy, and Steve on their singlespeeds.






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    Hugh, messing around on a retaining wall.


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    Chris, aka Lorax.


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    Fast-rolling DDawg.


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    Pete was a blaze the whole way down so I hardly got any shots of him.


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    Hugh checks for crotch clearance.


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    Clearance was ok. Let's ride this rock.


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    Erol on a slight mishap. I think he also had the biggest "crash" of the day.


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    We saw some rocks and boulders scattered about the trail.


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    Oh, and there were also water crossings.


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    After a great ride... some great pizza!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonic Man
    Damn, looks like Tam's got a friggin HUGE camera strapped to his dome. I like that shot of Hugh and Jeff...kinda captures the "essence" of the ride.
    The camera is definitely big and heavy... but I want to get the best quality footage so that's pretty much what it came down to instead of using a lipstick unit. My neck is gonna be phat supporting all that weight!


    (btw, did you notice that it's a Jericho in that photo?)
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    How come?

    - how come you guys always start your rides in the middle of town? padding the mileage?

    - how come I only see a bunch of dudes? Where's the dudettes?

    - How come hugh seems to be losing weight?

    - How come DAS almost looks like he's riding a bike but you never actually see him on a bike?

    - how come you guys don't have an off-season???


    Great ride and write-up guys!!

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    Perfect ride on a perfect day...

    Quote Originally Posted by gpsser
    out of 24 riders, and 30+ miles of fun. I am sure there will be more pics soon
    Merril, Mt. Lowe, Gabrielino, near Pasadena.
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    Here's to a sweet ride! Gabby on a killer day with 20 or so (very) wet stream crossings... Thanks for the group and the switchback pix, Ken.

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    How come NoCal....

    Quote Originally Posted by francois
    - how come you guys always start your rides in the middle of town? padding the mileage?

    - how come I only see a bunch of dudes? Where's the dudettes?

    - How come hugh seems to be losing weight?

    - How come DAS almost looks like he's riding a bike but you never actually see him on a bike?

    - how come you guys don't have an off-season???


    Great ride and write-up guys!!

    francis aka 'the great francois'

    How come NoCal....
    -Is always invited, but never shows?

    -How come Francis thinks Monique and Poacher are guys? You obviously haven't seen close ups!

    -How come we can get someone from Seattle to show up, but no one from NoCal?

    -This is the off season...didn't you see the water???! What about most everyone wearing long sleeves! Brrrr, it started out in the mid to lower 50's! I started off with my nose running a little.

    -How come we can't get Francis to come down for a ride????? Come on NorCal...time to represent!

    Just let us know when you can make it.
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    Awesome ride and pictures GPSSER

    The question is how to find my way (when the days are longer for instance). Did anyone record the route on a GPS? Especially - does anyone have a Topo (.tpo) file of the route? (I like to see the net climbing when planning a ride.)
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    a few more pics...

    Managed to snap a few photos when I wasn't too busy trying catch my breath...
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    And some GPS info...

    I don't know how good these will look shrunk down to fit the 200K limit, but hopefully you get the idea. I'd like to get better mapping software also - a version with the real USGS maps.

    25.1 miles terrain distance (not including ride to trailhead because I didn't have the GPS on)
    11.52 mi climbing distance
    13.6 mi descending distance
    8161 ft climbing elevation
    8897 ft descending distance
    5319 ft max elevation
    1142 ft min elevation
    13% avg. grade
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    thanks for the maps

    Never mind the miles that was a lot of climbing, especially at 13%.

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    thanks Erol! Nice photos & maps.

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    Hey thanks Erol, what was the starting and finishing elevations, so we can add the pavement climb at the beginning?

    Sorry about the dab shots, I was just trying to put in the clearest photos of the bunch. Still trying to figure out the new camera.

    Ken

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    I don't know how good these will look shrunk down to fit the 200K limit, but hopefully you get the idea. I'd like to get better mapping software also - a version with the real USGS maps.

    25.1 miles terrain distance (not including ride to trailhead because I didn't have the GPS on)
    11.52 mi climbing distance
    13.6 mi descending distance
    8161 ft climbing elevation
    8897 ft descending distance
    5319 ft max elevation
    1142 ft min elevation
    13% avg. grade
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    Cool maps!

    Quote Originally Posted by erol
    I don't know how good these will look shrunk down to fit the 200K limit, but hopefully you get the idea. I'd like to get better mapping software also - a version with the real USGS maps.

    25.1 miles terrain distance (not including ride to trailhead because I didn't have the GPS on)
    11.52 mi climbing distance
    13.6 mi descending distance
    8161 ft climbing elevation
    8897 ft descending distance
    5319 ft max elevation
    1142 ft min elevation
    13% avg. grade
    Those terrain views got generated very nicely! I think the stats could be somewhat off though. When I rode that loop with my GPS, I thought that I only got somewhere around 5000 feet for the accumulated elevation. It did cut-out intermittently, but the discrepancy seems pretty big.

    My legs would vouch for about 20,000 feet of climbing, though! ;-)

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    even more photos...

    Ken aka gpsser grinds up the long climb.
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    Steve aka DDawg on the Monkey.
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    Molly's Seven, idle at the first rest stop.
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    oodles of singlespeeds
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    Andy stairing.
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    adventure racer couple Monique and Ron aka "we'll wait for you at the top".
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    Pete pulls a one-hander gearie wheelie.
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    enough rest, Andy leads a downhill run.
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    Molly tearing up the singletrack
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    Lots of miles. Lots of smiles.
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    "hey boy! Wanna go for a ride?! Huh? Wanna go for a ride?!"
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    Anyone else think the stats are inaccurate? I think it's more like 4-5k instead of 8k.


    Quote Originally Posted by erol
    I don't know how good these will look shrunk down to fit the 200K limit, but hopefully you get the idea. I'd like to get better mapping software also - a version with the real USGS maps.

    25.1 miles terrain distance (not including ride to trailhead because I didn't have the GPS on)
    11.52 mi climbing distance
    13.6 mi descending distance
    8161 ft climbing elevation
    8897 ft descending distance
    5319 ft max elevation
    1142 ft min elevation
    13% avg. grade

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    Here's a pic of Seattle a week or two ago. 8" of snow at lake level! It was great to be biking in the sun the following week. Riding in SoCal in January is the way to go. I highly recommend it.

    And just 'cause I'm living in Seattle doesn't mean i'm "from" Seattle. I'm all NorCal, baby!

    Francis: I was riding my bike a lot, but I was no super-star. I was just happy to be along for the ride. I didn't try a single tricky stunt...MEOW! Just happy to put some miles in before I go in for shoulder surgery this week. Hope to see you guys on the trail in NorCal in a couple months...

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    Quote Originally Posted by terminaut
    Those terrain views got generated very nicely! I think the stats could be somewhat off though. When I rode that loop with my GPS, I thought that I only got somewhere around 5000 feet for the accumulated elevation. It did cut-out intermittently, but the discrepancy seems pretty big.

    My legs would vouch for about 20,000 feet of climbing, though! ;-)

    A couple of things: I have the very first eTrex model Garmin made. It's not as accurate as the newer ones are. The way the software figures the climbing and descending elevation is from the route as laid out on the maps. The maps are a vectorized version of USGS data - not as accurate as the real maps. So you have error in the GPS data combined with map error. Also, I had the GPS on while I was going up and down the stairs, back up the switchbacks, etc. All the time that can accumulate elevation. Still not enough to explain more than 3000ft.

    Here's a better look at the profile. All the little jagged ups and downs add elevation. I would like to get the real USGS maps and replot. I think TOPO is $100 for the s/w and one state. Each additional state is like $50. The s/w I use was less than $100 for the entire USA. ok for getting a good idea of where you went or would like to go and the 3D generated maps are way cool to play around with, but not good enough for detailed mapping or professional work.
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    The software always overstates the elevation deltas, especially on steep terrain. The error will always be there regardless of the map unless the public gets access to millimeter accurate GPS.
    You can be on a trail that follows a contour line along a cliff, a one foot error left or right and you have a large error in elevation (On the edge of Half Dome you could get ~2000' error). So I take the altitude deltas as good for overall comparisons.

    If you can post your GPS data as an attachment I will see what the TOPO State version says for altitude workout, but I expect the same results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    The software always overstates the elevation deltas, especially on steep terrain. The error will always be there regardless of the map unless the public gets access to millimeter accurate GPS.
    You can be on a trail that follows a contour line along a cliff, a one foot error left or right and you have a large error in elevation (On the edge of Half Dome you could get ~2000' error). So I take the altitude deltas as good for overall comparisons.

    If you can post your GPS data as an attachment I will see what the TOPO State version says for altitude workout, but I expect the same results.

    alright- im scouring the topo maps at my disposal (hard copies of pasadena, mt wilson quads). the mt lowe railway historical marker is at 3207 feet (top of the switchbacks), mt lowe (talles of three with that name) tops out at 5503 feet, the tunnel is just below the 5200 mark, the highest point on the dirt road appears to be just over 5200, and from what I can tell, the parking lot on windsor is at 1150.

    still, not a bad day of climbing!
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    A couple of frame grabs from the helmetcam...

    I think it's definitely worth it to have the camcorder mounted on the helmet. These are sample shots from the video and I think they're pretty good considering that both are from riding at speed (and are being grabbed at 30 frames per second).

    ...and I've got about an hour and a half's worth of footage from the entire descent! :-)







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    Quote Originally Posted by pacman
    The software always overstates the elevation deltas, especially on steep terrain. The error will always be there regardless of the map unless the public gets access to millimeter accurate GPS.
    You can be on a trail that follows a contour line along a cliff, a one foot error left or right and you have a large error in elevation (On the edge of Half Dome you could get ~2000' error). So I take the altitude deltas as good for overall comparisons.

    If you can post your GPS data as an attachment I will see what the TOPO State version says for altitude workout, but I expect the same results.
    That's a good way of explaining it. My GPS was reading sub 20' accuracy, but that's a lot of error when you're talking a 1' wide singletrack.

    Here's the GPS data (lat/long) in text format.
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    GPS recalculated

    I imported all the waypoints and then traced the route. On the climb your points were far apart (up to 1/2 mile, so I traced existing trails) but were denser in the downhill section and more accurate. DeLorme just followed a straight line between those w-i-d-e points and saw climbing and descending that didn't happen. Anyway the Topo SW calculates 25.68 miles, 6113' gain and 6860' loss.

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    I don't understand why the data points are so far apart. I thought this GPS took data every second and averaged. It's probably memory constraints, although I cleared out the memory before I started, and periodically checked it.

    Well, it's time for a new model, new software.

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