Why singlespeed? (Also see the SS FAQ - top right of page)

iviguy · 03-01-2005

I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

redfooj · 03-01-2005

try it and report back to us

skinny-tire · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

Why not?

riderx · 03-01-2005

Why a bike? Why not just get a motorcycle?

Seriously, this has been discussed to death. The search function is your friend...

Darkwing Duck · 03-01-2005

B'cause.

ernesto_from_Wisconsin · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

Just try it. I never change my 34/16, so I'm ok. Don't fret too much on it.

screampint · 03-01-2005

It's fun.

The only way you will understand is to try it. If it's for you, then great, if not, at least you gave it a shot.

Also, read the singlespeed FAQ.

*rt* · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

because i can.

if you can't justify it maybe it's not for you?

rt

sportsman · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. .

and FF repeated just to get the point across..

Don't believe the hype..

Check out your gear ratios, your average 21/24/27 speed probably only has 8-12 gear ratios. the rest are repetitious..

It's not a weight thing, its just a choice. I (and others) choose to believe that the SS is an appropriate bike for whatever trail we want to ride, whenever we want to ride it.

Also, be careful slinging that 'superior' word around here, there are quite a few SSers that are capable of crushing people on geared bikes, in whatever terms you want to decide the contest, speed, hucking, beer drinking..

But the beauty is, you can just do what you want, SS or geared. It doesn't have to be about competition, going fast, going slow. So long as you are riding, all is good

Lambone · 03-01-2005

because its simple...

just you and the pedals.

neville · 03-01-2005

Convert or forever more SS riders will point and laugh behind your back.

iviguy · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsman

and FF repeated just to get the point across..

Don't believe the hype..

Check out your gear ratios, your average 21/24/27 speed probably only has 8-12 gear ratios. the rest are repetitious..

It's not a weight thing, its just a choice. I (and others) choose to believe that the SS is an appropriate bike for whatever trail we want to ride, whenever we want to ride it.

Also, be careful slinging that 'superior' word around here, there are quite a few SSers that are capable of crushing people on geared bikes, in whatever terms you want to decide the contest, speed, hucking, beer drinking..

But the beauty is, you can just do what you want, SS or geared. It doesn't have to be about competition, going fast, going slow. So long as you are riding, all is good

Wow, I am amazed that out of all the replies one person managed to actually give a decent one. Thanks. I ask because I am curious about the SS phenomenon. It seems very popular but everytime I start going up and hill and have to downshift to get to a useable gear I can't figure out how a singlespeed would be beneficial in that instance. But I am curious about it all.

Granted, I know that there are people on a singlespeed that could crush many of those on geared bikes but that's not really where I was going. Heck there are probably people that could crush me on a tricycle. So what. I ride for the fun of it all. Of course, crushing here and there is fun too...

Thanks for the comment. Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....

iviguy · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by neville

Convert or forever more SS riders will point and laugh behind your back.

So if they are pointing and laughing "behind" my back then they are "behind" me then right?

**shiggy** · 03-01-2005

Why are you considering converting to SS?
Read the FAQ.

sportsman · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by iviguy

Thanks for the comment. Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....

the heckling is good natured. I'm sure that you'd get the same (or more) heckling from this crowd if you went on rides with its members.

If you want to understand the heckling, just do a search and look at the number of times this (or closely related) question has been asked in this forum. And also notice that SS has a FAQ (upper right) unlike most of the other forums.

that's it..its all good until bulC comes back (I'm not even sure if he posted in SS), and then feelings get hurt but useful info is disseminated and I laugh a lot

scott

**shiggy** · 03-01-2005

This reason is my current favorite:

By Objectionable Material

"As a white male in America, I have a genetic disposition to serious self loathing. I deserve nothing but pain and suffering. My rigid single speed dolls it out in large quantities. What's better is that the pain and suffering is completely self inflicted."

**shiggy** · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by sportsman

...that's it..its all good until bulC comes back (I'm not even sure if he posted in SS), and then feelings get hurt but useful info is disseminated and I laugh a lot

scott

He has posted here. He will probably show up again with a different user name. He has done that before.

beerman · 03-01-2005

I ve been riding exclusively on a SS for about a year now. I started racing one last year. The truth is I am faster and more efficient on a SS.

This may not be the case for everyone but it works for me.

beerman

iviguy · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambone

because its simple...

just you and the pedals.

and the shoes
and the shorts
and the brakes
and the camelbak
and the other riders laughing at me as they pass going up hill...

I am sure it's probably fun. Just don't know if it is worth it to me or not. Although having a 20lb bike would be cool.

Lambone · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

Wow, I am amazed that out of all the replies one person managed to actually give a decent one.....

so who was it that gave the decent reply?

you have to understand that people just get sick of this question in the singlespeed forum, it comes up about once a week, and the same points are hashed out.

SS is not for everybody. But on the right bike in the right terrain its a hell of alot of fun. If you do alot of climbing it can be brutal lungbusting misery, on nice rolly curvy terrain it is a blast.

It's hard to explain really, but you just have to work with the bike more...rather then changing the bike to work with you by shifting gears. The lighterweight and less component noise is a benefit, but for me I just love having to strategize my pedal stroke rather then when I shift gears.

I also ride a geared squishy bike too...it just depends on the trail, the day, and my mood.

give it a try. I jumped in feet first and bought a Kona Unit before even trying SS. Risky but it turned out great as I spend probly half my time on it. If you aren't ready to throw down $, either demo or borrow one, or build up an old beater.

I have some SS disk wheels in the classifieds now by the way.

cheers

riderx · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiggy

He has posted here. He will probably show up again with a different user name. He has done that before.

Has bulC been banned? I hope not. I'm sure I'm in a very small minority, but I like his posts. Sometimes gruff, but generally speaking the truth.

Go Kart Motzart · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiggy

This reason is my current favorite:

By Objectionable Material

"As a white male in America, I have a genetic disposition to serious self loathing. I deserve nothing but pain and suffering. My rigid single speed dolls it out in large quantities. What's better is that the pain and suffering is completely self inflicted."

I agree. That is one of the coolest things I've read here on MTBR in long time.

To the answer the original post. I really like the feel of my rigid singlespeed. When I stand up it goes. For me and the place I ride the most it is faster. You would be amazed how fast you can climb when you don't have a choice (to gear down).

Hollywood · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

1) you have a bike you can convert
2) you're taking the time to inquire about it on the SS boards
3) Next step in your immediate future: conversion and first ride report!

you know its coming. That's exactly the same process that I went through.

oops, almost forgot Step 4:

neglect/sell your current ride

pull up a chair to the SS bonfire and grab a beer...you're gonna be here a while.

TrailVictim · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

and the shoes
and the shorts
and the brakes
and the camelbak
and the other riders laughing at me as they pass going up hill...

I am sure it's probably fun. Just don't know if it is worth it to me or not. Although having a 20lb bike would be cool.

I don't know about the other riders passing us uphill. By the time you figure out what gear you need to be in, I'll be cranking it over the top with my smelly ass in ur face.

roadiegonebad · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood

1) you have a bike you can convert
2) you're taking the time to inquire about it on the SS boards
3) Next step in your immediate future: conversion and first ride report!

you know its coming. That's exactly the same process that I went through.

oops, almost forgot Step 4:

neglect/sell your current ride

pull up a chair to the SS bonfire and grab a beer...you're gonna be here a while.

pull up a chair young man, and let Uncle Hollywood tell you a story...
sh!t man, we all just ss so we can hang here and read HW's stories..

Ken in KC · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by riderx

Has bulC been banned? I hope not. I'm sure I'm in a very small minority, but I like his posts. Sometimes gruff, but generally speaking the truth.

Not banned. Self imposed exile, I think.

Any plans for the weekend of April 8th? I hear there's a party brewing in St. Louis that you would probably like.

I'm trying to make it out for the SSWC but with the date being right at the start of school, it's looking less and less likely that I can swing it.

Ken

ernesto_from_Wisconsin · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by roadiegonebad

pull up a chair young man, and let Uncle Hollywood tell you a story...
sh!t man, we all just ss so we can hang here and read HW's stories..

Uncle Hollywood, read me a storeee...in Wisconsin here, where we have tons and tons of metric snow...we like stories.

Hey, I ride SS because it was much more efficient. Much more efficient to keep my mouth shut about "Ah man, I was, like, on the big ring...then there was this turn and I had to like, pant pant, shift to the middle ring....then my chian got all messed up by the granny gear man...dood, I gotta master how to shift better...hey, is SRAM better then XTR?"

bcitches!
Shifting takes the fun out of a normal ride for me. I just like to ride unhindered of shifing mechanisms a la mud cake in the woods with a muddy ride.

I don't freak about getting my gears dirty. I only freak about cars. Not shifting and riding SS allows me not to think about what gear to shift to and why my bike is ghost shifting...

Ken in KC · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by iviguy

Wow, I am amazed that out of all the replies one person managed to actually give a decent one. Thanks. I ask because I am curious about the SS phenomenon. It seems very popular but everytime I start going up and hill and have to downshift to get to a useable gear I can't figure out how a singlespeed would be beneficial in that instance. But I am curious about it all.

Granted, I know that there are people on a singlespeed that could crush many of those on geared bikes but that's not really where I was going. Heck there are probably people that could crush me on a tricycle. So what. I ride for the fun of it all. Of course, crushing here and there is fun too...

Thanks for the comment. Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....

So you didn't realize that redundancy was built in to gearing and that makes a response a "decent one"?

Asking why we choose to ride SS's isn't a response to which there is one definitive answer. We all choose to ride SS's for our own wide and varied reasons. Trying to find the reason that makes you change your mind isn't what we're here for.

I ride a SS because that's the type of bike I like to ride. I have a geared bike but don't bring it out much. I have more fun riding on my SS, so that's the bike I ride.

I'm not here to sell or pitch SSing to anyone. I would never suggest that SSing is superior, better, more kore, etc. I suggest this: Try it. If you like it, that will be great because you'll have discovered another way to enjoy mountain biking. If you don't like it and prefer to ride your geared bike, that will be great too because you'll still enjoy mountain biking.

If you're really that interested, read the FAQ as others have mentioned.

Ken

Greenfix · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by iviguy

and the other riders laughing at me as they pass going up hill...

Do not be so sure that geared bikes will be passing you going uphill. I am faster going uphill on my single speed than on my geared bike. I think this is for one main reason: I'm lazy. The single speed forces me to ride faster, and I think it has made me stronger as a result.

A reason to try single speeding not mentioned above is that it can be less expensive than a geared habit. Though there are plenty of single speeds posted on this board worth multiple $1000.

I made up my mind to give it a go after watching one of my riding budddies finish very well in the vermont 50 this past year. Then I learned that the guy who won the whole thing (troy michaud) was on a single speed. He entered in the regular expert class because he did not know that there was a single speed class and beat the field by 13 minutes.

I say give it a try, you might like it.

What kind of frame are you thinking of converting?

Ken in KC · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin

Not shifting and riding SS allows me not to think about what gear to shift to and why my bike is ghost shifting...

That is until you ghost shift while climbing a grinder... that's always fun. Never happened to me, but I've heard stories...

What's the difference between metric snow and imperial snow? Less snowmass? And if that's the case, what does a ski mountain near Aspen have to do with snow conversions?

Ken

Objectionable Material · 03-01-2005

to come up with creative answers to the SAME EXACT QUESTIONS every week.

Hugs and kisses,

Peter

Nat · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

I had the same question in my mind too. Even went so far as to [gasp!]...vocalize my disdain against singlespeeds. Then I converted an old bike and tried it. Never looked back.

I just wished I hadn't been so close-minded about it, because I missed several years of singlespeeding before the epiphany.

Lambone · 03-01-2005

Nat, no offense...but your avatar pic makes me insane...

ernesto_from_Wisconsin · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Ken in KC

That is until you ghost shift while climbing a grinder... that's always fun. Never happened to me, but I've heard stories...

What's the difference between metric snow and imperial snow? Less snowmass? And if that's the case, what does a ski mountain near Aspen have to do with snow conversions?

Ken

I meant "metric tons" of snow. Want some. I might as well put some snow on ebay. Selling it bulk.

I wish the USA adopted metric for everything.

As for ghost shifting...it scares me. One time I was riding, and my bike, like, ghost shifted and I was scared. I think Unsolved Mysteries did a segment on it once...

With SS, no ghosts in my shifting...it's like telling the ghost to leave or some siht like that.

Whoa! did you just see that? My eye twitched! I must be haunted.

riderx · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Ken in KC

Not banned. Self imposed exile, I think.

Any plans for the weekend of April 8th? I hear there's a party brewing in St. Louis that you would probably like.

I'm trying to make it out for the SSWC but with the date being right at the start of school, it's looking less and less likely that I can swing it.

Ken

I don't think I can swing making it out this year for that sweet party you guys throw. Believe me, I've been trying to come up with a way to do it.

As far as SSWC goes, check your email.

Darkwing Duck · 03-01-2005

As a follow-up to my smarta$$ answer I offer this.

I enjoy the challenge and fitness I get from riding my s/s. It's quite addictive as you always want to go back and ride a little further or harder than before.
As Ken said, it's definitely not for everyone and it's not necessesarily superior to other bikes (although mine thinks it's better than its f/s Yeti brother).

Riding a singlespeed regularly will bring you to a whole 'nother level of fitness and make you a better, stronger rider all-around. Singlespeeding requires you to stay off the brakes to keep your momentum and it requires you to charge up hills harder than on a geared bike.
You also gain an important mental edge as the suffering (yes it hurts - bad sometimes, that's one reason it's not for everyone) you endure makes you stronger between the ears too. As you endure more, you become more confident in what you are capable of.

I suggest you give it a try and see what all the hubbub is about.

Objectionable Material · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

Wow, I am amazed that out of all the replies one person managed to actually give a decent one. ....

We don't answer offensively because we don't care. Trust me, we do care... deeply.

Borrow a SS from someone. Ride it. If you have fun, build one. Ride it more. If you don't, then you can live your life in a manner that makes you happy, secure in the knowledge that you gave it a whirl.

The most important thing is to experience life for yourself.... and don't touch yourself too much.

Thanks for posting.

Love,

Peter

AscentCanada · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken in KC

I ride a SS because that's the type of bike I like to ride. I have a geared bike but don't bring it out much. I have more fun riding on my SS, so that's the bike I ride.

Hey Ken,

Have I got a ride for you! I'm assuming that you'll be up in Calgary still this summer. Its Lake Miniwanka, it was a fun trail even before I tried it on a SS. Then it was amazing! Its out by Banff with rolling windy singletrack along the side a big lake. Its an out and back ride that you can do about 35km...

Scott

Ken in KC · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambone

Nat, no offense...but your avatar pic makes me insane...

You must have a fever with only one cure....

Hollywood · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadiegonebad

sh!t man, we all just ss so we can hang here and read HW's stories..

My stories, One f******g Speed stickers and beer chat.

A man don't need much more'n that...

...and satellite TV with a universal remote. And a leather La-Z-Boy. That'll do it. (for the rain days

)

...and a custom ti SS bike. Done.

...and a week as Camp Counselor at Camp Podium Girl.

HW

...and a BBQ full of meat. Because

pacman · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

Justify this: With no derailleur it's easier to change a rear wheel flat.

SoloWithOthers · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by iviguy

Funny, I don't seem to get the heckling in the other forums. The singlespeed forum is the first one....

Did you go to the Clyde forum and ask why they are Clydes?
Did you go to the wieght weenie forum and ask "why do things need to be light"?
Did you go to the 29er forum and ask "why 29er"?
Did you go to Cannondale forum and ask "why Cannondale"?
Did you go to a vegitarian forum and ask "why no meat?"

Could this be about the question you asked and where you asked it?

It's ok... lots of people ask and we don't mind sharing.

sslos · 03-01-2005

I seem to get this question a lot, so I don't usually open these threads. There's a lot of guys here who are more eloquent than me who do answer this query regularly.
Why? I guess "As a white male in America, I have a genetic disposition to serious self loathing. I deserve nothing but pain and suffering. My rigid single speed dolls (doles?)it out in large quantities. What's better is that the pain and suffering is completely self inflicted." may not work, since I'm Hispanic. I do loves me some sufferin', though! I guess there's a drive in some of us to just do things the "hard way." Sure, when I fish, I could probably catch a delicious bass easier with bait-cast stuff than with my fly rig. But isn't it about the journey, not the destination, or something? I don't really know why I'm personally driven to ride the bike I do, and I'm sure there's almost as many reasons out there as people doing it.
I can tell you one thing. I haven't ridden a bike with derailleurs off road in 4 years. I haven't ridden one with a derailleur at all in 9 months, and I haven't coasted in 6 months.
Beware. Once you try it, there may be no going back.

the los

Surlydave · 03-01-2005

....Gotta have more cowbell. Why SS? Four riders start out for a little 26 mile ride in the hills, 3 singles and one gearie FS. Guess which rider had to limp out of the woods 10 miles into the ride because a little stick got thrown up into his drivetrain? Our friend the gearie had his Saturday ride cut short with a busted derailluer, snapped hanger, and kinked chain. That can't happen if you only have one gear. SS can also stand for Simple Speed.

Scooby-doo · 03-01-2005

Just the thought of gears makes me shudder. I was out on a ride this saturday with 5 single speeders and just sitting there pedaling and talking with them was nice because you did not hear all of the gears shifting, the rear derailleur slapping the frame, the chain slapping the chainstays. Just peacefullness and riding. The next day I went out with two single speeders and four gearies and heard all of the above the whole time. Just try it out and see for yourself.

sportsman · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Scooby-doo

Just the thought of gears makes me shudder. I was out on a ride this saturday with 5 single speeders and just sitting there pedaling and talking with them was nice because you did not hear all of the gears shifting, the rear derailleur slapping the frame, the chain slapping the chainstays. Just peacefullness and riding. The next day I went out with two single speeders and four gearies and heard all of the above the whole time. Just try it out and see for yourself.

unfortunately, I just had the opposite experience. Met for a ride with 3 other ssers and two gearies.. All of the noise came from me because I didn't remove and clean my bb/cranks after Old Pueblo. Everyone knew when I stood up. They banished me off to ride alone on the climbs

sportsman · 03-01-2005

Despite the nature of this thread, and the fun-loving heckling that you received early on, notice that this is the only thread where >10% of the views result in a reply. At least for now...

If nothing else, the ssers on this board love to express their opinions about the allure of ssing..

motoman711 · 03-01-2005

Why gears?

slowrider · 03-01-2005

I'd been considering it but I decided to try the "no" budget version of SS first; pick a 2/1 gear and don't shift. What I discovered is that I don't like walking the really steep hills and I'm not neerly strong enough to ride them without the lower gears, plus it hurts my joints to push the bigger gears. I saved a bunch of money and found that it's not for me. It's a good way to try it without spending the $. For those into it have a blast, anything having to do with bikes is worth trying.

shwinboy · 03-01-2005

My fave answer to this question so far is...

"A derailer killed my father."

I don't know who originally posted it here but it's my standard response these days. It makes people stop and think for a bit. Try it. Its piss funny some of the responses you get.

Nat · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowrider

I'd been considering it but I decided to try the "no" budget version of SS first; pick a 2/1 gear and don't shift. What I discovered is that I don't like walking the really steep hills and I'm not neerly strong enough to ride them without the lower gears, plus it hurts my joints to push the bigger gears. I saved a bunch of money and found that it's not for me. It's a good way to try it without spending the $. For those into it have a blast, anything having to do with bikes is worth trying.

Not the same thing at all! Would you consider trying again? This time, pick a lower gear (2:1 is too tall for you and your hills, at least for now), perhaps 32/20. Also, if you stick with it you become much stronger in a short time. My bum knee has never felt better since riding SS. I hypothesize it's because the muscles around it have become much stronger.

Enoch · 03-01-2005

Be carefull, I got sucked in just poking around. It all started so innocently. One day I was asking questions about S/S and they next thing I knew I had converted a bike. Now I own 2 S/S specific frames. Where does it all end. If you haven't tasted a single yet there still might be a chance. Run,Run,,,,Run back to your geard bike while you still can....

neville · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

So if they are pointing and laughing "behind" my back then they are "behind" me then right?

But definately give it a try. Think of the money you can save not buying gears and stuff, mmmm More Beer.

SS4life · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nat

Not the same thing at all! Would you consider trying again? This time, pick a lower gear (2:1 is too tall for you and your hills, at least for now), perhaps 32/20. Also, if you stick with it you become much stronger in a short time. My bum knee has never felt better since riding SS. I hypothesize it's because the muscles around it have become much stronger.

I agree Nat. I've had bad knees for a long time and they have not flaired up once since I started SSing. This was my big reservation about singlespeeding is that I didn't want to screw my knees up anymore. I definately feel like my knees are alot stronger than they used to be.

**shiggy** · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by riderx

Has bulC been banned? I hope not. I'm sure I'm in a very small minority, but I like his posts. Sometimes gruff, but generally speaking the truth.

No. He has not been banned. I hope he comes back, too.

**shiggy** · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin

I meant "metric tons" of snow. Want some. I might as well put some snow on ebay. Selling it bulk...

Free delivery? We need snow in the (not so) NorthWet.

**shiggy** · 03-01-2005

Try a lower gear.
Not shifting on a gearie is not the same as riding a SS. A "real" SS feels different.
My knees are stronger since I started SSing and I had ACL reconstruction in 1982. My knees hurt when I ride my road gearie.

Bike_13 · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by screampint

It's fun.

Well, even gearies are fun, but IT'S MUCH MORE FUN!

iviguy · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambone

so who was it that gave the decent reply?

you have to understand that people just get sick of this question in the singlespeed forum, it comes up about once a week, and the same points are hashed out.

SS is not for everybody. But on the right bike in the right terrain its a hell of alot of fun. If you do alot of climbing it can be brutal lungbusting misery, on nice rolly curvy terrain it is a blast.

It's hard to explain really, but you just have to work with the bike more...rather then changing the bike to work with you by shifting gears. The lighterweight and less component noise is a benefit, but for me I just love having to strategize my pedal stroke rather then when I shift gears.

I also ride a geared squishy bike too...it just depends on the trail, the day, and my mood.

give it a try. I jumped in feet first and bought a Kona Unit before even trying SS. Risky but it turned out great as I spend probly half my time on it. If you aren't ready to throw down $, either demo or borrow one, or build up an old beater.

I have some SS disk wheels in the classifieds now by the way.

cheers

I have to say, I am very interested but I just got through spending my budget building out my first dual suspension bike. I kept my old bike and was going to retire it to my wife. If I could convince her that she would like a ss better, then that would be my ticket. It may be an option in the future as well.

And FYI, so far, I liked your explanation best... I can see how strategizing my pedal strokes could be very fun to me.

iviguy · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Darkwing Duck

As a follow-up to my smarta$$ answer I offer this.

I enjoy the challenge and fitness I get from riding my s/s. It's quite addictive as you always want to go back and ride a little further or harder than before.
As Ken said, it's definitely not for everyone and it's not necessesarily superior to other bikes (although mine thinks it's better than its f/s Yeti brother).

Riding a singlespeed regularly will bring you to a whole 'nother level of fitness and make you a better, stronger rider all-around. Singlespeeding requires you to stay off the brakes to keep your momentum and it requires you to charge up hills harder than on a geared bike.
You also gain an important mental edge as the suffering (yes it hurts - bad sometimes, that's one reason it's not for everyone) you endure makes you stronger between the ears too. As you endure more, you become more confident in what you are capable of.

I suggest you give it a try and see what all the hubbub is about.

I would love to try it, its just not in the budget right now. But that is why I was asking. I am interested and may plan to build out a SS later but I wanted some input before laying out the $$ for a SS.

Nat · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

I would love to try it, its just not in the budget right now. But that is why I was asking. I am interested and may plan to build out a SS later but I wanted some input before laying out the $$ for a SS.

You can convert a hardtail for about $25 or less.

iviguy · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by SoloWithOthers

Did you go to the Clyde forum and ask why they are Clydes?
Did you go to the wieght weenie forum and ask "why do things need to be light"?
Did you go to the 29er forum and ask "why 29er"?
Did you go to Cannondale forum and ask "why Cannondale"?
Did you go to a vegitarian forum and ask "why no meat?"

Could this be about the question you asked and where you asked it?

It's ok... lots of people ask and we don't mind sharing.

Well this is about the most stupid post so far.
1. They are clydes because they are all named Clyde and they drink Budweiser beer.
2. They are weight weenies because they can control the weight of their bikes but not their bodies.
3. They are 29ers because they are not 28 nor 30 but somewhere in between.
4. They are cannondales because they like animals. http://cannondaleanimalclinic.com/
5. And lastly, I would never visit the vegitarian forum because I belong to PETV (People for the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables). PETV members only eat meat because we can't stand what is done to the poor defenseless plants who can't even run from danger.

So you see, I had all the answers to the other questions, just not this one. I thought that the single speed forum were fast moving unmarried people but I am glad I got that cleared up.

**shiggy** · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by iviguy

I have to say, I am very interested but I just got through spending my budget building out my first dual suspension bike. I kept my old bike...

There have been many people here that did that. Built their Dream Bike, Bling-Bling full sussy. Converted their old bike to SS to use as a simple around-town beater.

Then they rode the SS on the trails.
Bought a production SS specific frame.
Then a custom Bling-Bling SS.

And the "Dream Bike" sits in the corner collecting dust.

Now quite my story but after I got my first SS I rode my gearie offroad maybe 5 times in 4 years.

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by shiggy

Try a lower gear.
Not shifting on a gearie is not the same as riding a SS. A "real" SS feels different.
My knees are stronger since I started SSing and I had ACL reconstruction in 1982. My knees hurt when I ride my road gearie.

ice after a ride is a GREAT thing for a cure of that...after a while the knees won't need the ice

WadePatton · 03-01-2005

The almighty SS'er will pass all but the strongest gearies going uphill. When they grab the granny and start flopping their knees chinward, the SS'er will be out of the saddle stomping the pedals and hoping for traction as the bike gets tossed side to side in the struggle against gravity.

Downhill is anybody's game.

Big ringers can catch a SS on the flats, but only to get passed again on the climb.

Lambone · 03-01-2005

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Originally Posted by Nat

I had the same question in my mind too. Even went so far as to [gasp!]...vocalize my disdain against singlespeeds. Then I converted an old bike and tried it. Never looked back.

I just wished I hadn't been so close-minded about it, because I missed several years of singlespeeding before the epiphany.

Nat, thanks for getting rid of the scottish cowbell guy!

WadePatton · 03-01-2005

resistance is futile

Hollywood · 03-01-2005

someone get this thread all sticky-like and let it hang around for a while, eh?

**shiggy** · 03-01-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nat

You can convert a hardtail for about $25 or less.

It can be done for $0. Mostly it is taking things off.

hu-man · 03-01-2005

5. And lastly, I would never visit the vegitarian forum because I belong to PETV (People for the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables). PETV members only eat meat because we can't stand what is done to the poor defenseless plants who can't even run from danger.

So you see, I had all the answers to the other questions, just not this one. I thought that the single speed forum were fast moving unmarried people but I am glad I got that cleared up.[/quote]

Actually you belong to PETA as well, that is, the other PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals

Darkwing Duck · 03-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by hu-man

5. And lastly, I would never visit the vegitarian forum because I belong to PETV (People for the Ethical Treatment of Vegetables). PETV members only eat meat because we can't stand what is done to the poor defenseless plants who can't even run from danger.

So you see, I had all the answers to the other questions, just not this one. I thought that the single speed forum were fast moving unmarried people but I am glad I got that cleared up.

Actually you belong to PETA as well, that is, the other PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals

Yeah, we just bought a billboard:

iviguy · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Enoch

Be carefull, I got sucked in just poking around. It all started so innocently. One day I was asking questions about S/S and they next thing I knew I had converted a bike. Now I own 2 S/S specific frames. Where does it all end. If you haven't tasted a single yet there still might be a chance. Run,Run,,,,Run back to your geard bike while you still can....

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I have been so excited about my new dual suspension that I have been building, the thought of liking and converting to a SS gives me the shudders.

Must....... resist........ think happy thoughts......... gears and gears, lots of gears....... go to a happy place full of wonderful gears.........

iviguy · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Greenfix

What kind of frame are you thinking of converting?

Well, IF I went with the SS idea the frame would be my old GT Avalanche LE. But that bike is going to become my wife's so I doubt that it will happen.

Nat · 03-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiggy

It can be done for $0. Mostly it is taking things off.

Absolutely. I'm figuring some pocket change for cassette spacers and maybe a cog.

striker · 03-02-2005

"beacuse the pain and exhaustion..."
I get from singlespeeding overwhelm all of the other darkness in my life, pausing for brief moments of bliss the pain, the hopelessness, the incessant voices urging me to just give it all up. - Hollywood on MTBR

ernesto_from_Wisconsin · 03-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. I have been so excited about my new dual suspension that I have been building, the thought of liking and converting to a SS gives me the shudders.

Must....... resist........ think happy thoughts......... gears and gears, lots of gears....... go to a happy place full of wonderful gears.........

All said and done: http://www.adventurefind.com/hbfk/Cadence/Cadence.html

Gears are Quasi-Evil

SS4life · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Nat

Absolutely. I'm figuring some pocket change for cassette spacers and maybe a cog.

Nat- What happene to Will Ferrel? That was the funniest avators I've seen.

SanAnMan · 03-02-2005

Don't waste your time if you don't get it. In fact, if you have to ask, it's not for you.

There is no silver bullet answer. Here's the only way you'll find out "why?" If you get a chance to ride a SS, try it out on an actual ride and see if you like it. Then, and only then, can the seed begin to sprout and take root. If you hate it, move on to the next MTBR Forum and give it a shot. There are 20+ other Forums on this site that may fit your passion for cycling better.

SS takes a passon, it's gotta be in your blood, because it hurts!

Objectionable Material · 03-02-2005

Actually the name Single Speed is deceiving. It all has to do with the metric system and how Americans still haven't really converted to it. Bob and Doug McKenzie explained metric conversion best on their hit commedy album. Using their calculations, if you want to convert SAE measurements to Metric, you double it and add 30.

With that in mind, we're not really riding metric single speeds. 1 speed doubled makes it two speeds, and when you add 30, you come up with 32.

In terms of the Metric System, we're riding 32 speeds.

Hope that helps.

Peter

PS: Take off to the great white north. Take off. Its a beauty way to go. Take off. You Hosers!

SpecialK · 03-02-2005

1) The bike is lighter, quieter and more efficient.
2) Because gears are the most delicate and complicated part of the bike, get rid of them, and everything is simple.
3) No screwing around with stupid derailleurs.
4) No derailleur hangers to shear off when you get a stick in the chain or hit a rock.
5) It makes you a more well balanced and efficient rider.
6) When you are riding slower than your buddies on FS rigs, you have an excuse.
7) It whips your ass into shape.
8) Because it it more fun than biking with gears (not that biking with gears isn't fun)

SS specific frame or convert, it doesn't matter. Join the singlespeed cult and get out and ride!

weather · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by Objectionable Material

to come up with creative answers to the SAME EXACT QUESTIONS every week.

THIS is my fav answer. nice one dude.

Poutineyum · 03-02-2005

At the end of every bike ride is a tasty cold beer.

At the end of every singlespeed ride is a tasty cold beer and a steaming hot plate of poutine:

http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.ph...hmentid=&stc=1
poutine.jpg

Darkwing Duck · 03-02-2005

How 'bout ye some Haggis 'n Chips and a pint

That'l put some hair on yer arse.

Nat · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by SS4life

Nat- What happene to Will Ferrel? That was the funniest avators I've seen.

I changed it after this thread:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...21023#poststop

catzilla · 03-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

But that bike is going to become my wife's so I doubt that it will happen.

Don't worry, she won't ride it anyway. Haven't you seen the wussy thread yet?

Okay, truthfully, I think novices (even novices born with baby makers) feel more comfortable on singlespeeds. When riders start out, they spend so much time in the wrong gear or trying to find the right gear that they goof up on fairly easy singletrack. I know, I know - teach 'em how to use gears.

Well, screw that. I think they do a little better learning trail skills first and then learning shifting. It reduces their initial frustration.

So give the wifey a singlespeed bike and see how she likes it.

Just don't go sawing your last derailleur hanger in half. My man-ho turned my last Schwinn hanger into a semi functioning beer bottle opener with a dremmal. Pretty much rendered it a SS for life. Sometimes a twelve pack and a bunch of tools breeds experiments gone wrong and/or bleeding digits. But, most of the time it makes for freak bicycle genious (exhibit a: Singlespeeded Santa Cruz Blur - this was the dream bike turned dust collector after I turned to the single side - now it's the idiot proof "Short Bus")

I've digressified.

Why SS? Cause all of the cool kids are doing it. And by cool I mean a bunch of beer guzzling folks who will eat stuff for money.

*rt* · 03-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poutineyum

At the end of every bike ride is a tasty cold beer.

At the end of every singlespeed ride is a tasty cold beer and a steaming hot plate of poutine:

http://forums.mtbr.com/attachment.ph...hmentid=&stc=1
poutine.jpg

yikes! i think i had a heart attack just looking at that. and if not my cholesterol jumped at least 100 pts.

yum.

rt

*rt* · 03-02-2005

well, that really does explain everything!

rt

col200 · 03-02-2005

I ride a SS and a FS Giant VT and they both kick ass! I'll admit, I ride the SS more than the FS but when I go down to my favorite singletrack, the FS is just too fun to pass up. I used to switch using the SS and FS on the same trail, all summer long. Eventually, I just stick with the FS for ANY trail riding, the SS is a bar bike and commuter for the most part. I often drop into some trails around the city when I'm riding by....and love it! So, you don't have to be Hardcore right or left (like alot of riders are)...just enjoy riding them both!

slowrider · 03-02-2005

I'll try it again. I've been riding for 12 years and I dig it but I'm not worried about beating many people to the top of the hill. It's more about having a good time and enjoying the technical riding and getting some excersize doing something I enjoy. I have a local 9 mile climb, not too steep but relentless. I normally climb it in middle 1st and I tried it in middle second and at the 5 mile mark I was allmost 20 min slower an my knees were burning. I might not enjoy pain enough for ss but I'll work on my S&M threashold so I can try SS.

SoloWithOthers · 03-02-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkwing Duck

How 'bout ye some Haggis 'n Chips and a pint

That'l put some hair on yer arse.

Is it just me (and the books I have been reading) or is there something very sexual about this picture? "Haggas and Chips"... is that what the kids are calling it these days? ;-)

27 Feet · 03-02-2005

I have a carbon Duel suspension Fuel. It is the bomb. I love it. Four months ago I rode with some guys I did not know and they kicked my butt up the climbs. They all rode singlespeed. I investigated and decided to see if a singlespeed could make me a better climber/rider. For $100, a buddy and I converted my hardtail. Some spend more, some spend less. My first ride, I was out of the saddle and climbing hills much more aggressive. I have found that I like the way I ride better on my single speed. I still ride the Fuel, but currently I am riding the single speed 4 times as often. Riding a single speed is harder and sometimes the geared bikes do get up hills I do not. But,I have improved alot and I control my heart rate much better now that I don't downshift and spin up the hills. There is alot of satisfaction in climbing hills when you do not have the choice of downshifting. For me: I plan on keeping the Fuel. I also plan on keeping my road bike. I plan on keeping my hardtail with the singlelater with the front suspension. But, I have on order my new Voodoo Wanga One frame to ride single speed with a Surly Instigator Rigid Fork. I saw where you felt that you had only one good reply out of the responses and you thought the singlespeeders had kind of berated you. My 2 cents is if you like riding a bike, we are all brothers. I grew up beating on my brother and fighting over room in the back seat of the Ford Pinto. As far as I am concerned, two fighting brothers that love each other are better then two kissing brothers who love each other. If you can't take ribbing in an online forum, you probably shouldn't ride the singlespeed. Your wife should.

Burpee · 03-03-2005

You made me laugh out loud at work and squirt water out my nose.
That ain't cool man.
Please keep the wit to a dull wacky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin

I meant "metric tons" of snow. Want some. I might as well put some snow on ebay. Selling it bulk.

I wish the USA adopted metric for everything.

As for ghost shifting...it scares me. One time I was riding, and my bike, like, ghost shifted and I was scared. I think Unsolved Mysteries did a segment on it once...

With SS, no ghosts in my shifting...it's like telling the ghost to leave or some siht like that.

Whoa! did you just see that? My eye twitched! I must be haunted.

ernesto_from_Wisconsin · 03-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burpee

You made me laugh out loud at work and squirt water out my nose.
That ain't cool man.
Please keep the wit to a dull wacky.

IMO, I think SSers are a sarcastic and mellow bunch.

That's why I like SS. It has changed my personality for the better.
From now on, when Trading Spouses comes to visit, I want to be paired up with some HBFK family.

That's right! I'll have them riding my SS bikes, and I'll be kicking some ass, military milli vanilly style with no brakes in between to eat a McMuffin with balls.

I think our SS motto is like the little engine that could. Geared riders motto is like the little asswipe that couldn't.

Nat · 03-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin

IMO, I think SSers are a sarcastic and mellow bunch.

That's why I like SS. It has changed my personality for the better.
From now on, when Trading Spouses comes to visit, I want to be paired up with some HBFK family.

That's right! I'll have them riding my SS bikes, and I'll be kicking some ass, military milli vanilly style with no brakes in between to eat a McMuffin with balls.

I think our SS motto is like the little engine that could. Geared riders motto is like the little asswipe that couldn't.

I like McMuffins...

ernesto_from_Wisconsin · 03-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nat

I like McMuffins...

Do you like them plain, or with balls?

See, there's a difference here, like good vs evil. Like Darth fighting Luke (GO DARTH!), like Pepsi vs Coca Cola...like SS vs Gears. Like WWF vs WCW.

I'll never forget 2 years ago, riding at Kettle Moraine, new to SS again...the longest hill in the back of the Blue Loop...climbed it...passed 2 gearies...then the rest of the gearies were at top of the hill, staring at my only one gear super dooper sinple drivetrain. As if they were in dumbfounded awe. It was all cool, but every time one of them tried to catch up, I'd leave them behind in the hills...as I heard their shifters, um, shift?

I saw the tunnel had a light, and I didn't stay away. I followed it, so now, I am an indoctrinator of SS and it's good benefits.

Objectionable Material · 03-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by iviguy

I don't get it. With different cogs and gear ratios it seems like having a 21, 24, or 27 speed would be superior to a singlespeed. So what is the benefit? Is it only weight? I have a bike I could convert but I am having trouble justifying it.

Most gearies these days have 27 speeds. Can you honestly say that you use them all? If not, why do you need the ones you don't use?

I can honestly say that I use every available gear on my bicycle on every ride. I don't need anything else.

XOXO

Peter

PS: Sorry for not being entirely sarcastic. It has been a rough day. I think I need a hug.

ernesto_from_Wisconsin · 03-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objectionable Material

Most gearies these days have 27 speeds. Can you honestly say that you use them all? If not, why do you need the ones you don't use?

I can honestly say that I use every available gear on my bicycle on every ride. I don't need anything else.

XOXO

Peter

PS: Sorry for not being entirely sarcastic. It has been a rough day. I think I need a hug.

There, you now have a hug.

Objectionable Material · 03-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin

There, you now have a hug.

Thanks Ernesto! My day is now complete.

I'm at peace with myself, the world and my single speed.

Peter

ernesto_from_Wisconsin · 03-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objectionable Material

Thanks Ernesto! My day is now complete.

I'm at peace with myself, the world and my single speed.

Peter

No problem.

See, if you had a geared bike and asked for a hug, I might just kick your ass. But I wouldn't anyway because you ride a bike. I know I just contradicted myself, like Mr. T.

Objectionable Material · 03-03-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin

No problem.

See, if you had a geared bike and asked for a hug, I might just kick your ass. But I wouldn't anyway because you ride a bike. I know I just contradicted myself, like Mr. T.

Well since you brought up Mr. T, I thought I'd share the BEST christmas present I got this year. Very rarely do I get presents that mean as much to me as this....

My favorite is when you press the middle row button on the right side. It says, "Don't make me mad. GRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrr". It really sounds like T too.

I think it is fair to say that gearies might not get this kind of quality content in their fora.

Peter

PS: single speed content.... If Mr. T rode a mountain bike, he'd be riding an SS... probably a Fixie. He wouldn't call it anything as afeminite as a "fixie" though. "First name 'Mister', Middle name 'Period', Last Name 'T'"