Best bike for the ranches - Heil, Hall, Walker, White?

[djanis99]

Hi,

What are the best $2-3K bikes for the 'Ranch' trails around Boulder? Have an old Stumpjumper hardtail looking to upgrade to a FS or 29er. I like Specialized and Gary Fisher.
Would a 29er be too big for the trails? I see a lot of riders on hardtails and wonder if FS is necessary?

Thanks

[lidarman]

I have ridden all that on a 80 mm hardtail so it's hard to judge.

My FS had made me slower....but so has my age.

But FS is more comfortable and the DH is much more pleasurable.

[jake7]

Specialized makes a Stumpy 29'er - sounds perfect for you.

[djanis99]

So basically a hardtail - unless I am looking for comfort. Is a 29er going to be hard on the turns and rock gardens?

[bad andy!]

Whoa - not so quick there djanis99. I bet you'll get a lot more input, and people do value lidarman's and
jake7's opinions more than say...hmmm...skaredshtles's, but...

I, for one, prefer FS rides rather than hard tails even for XC and the Ranches. When I 1st went FS, I thought it would slow me down, but it did not seem to.
Of course FS isn't necessary, as we ALL rode hardtails or full rigid "back in the day".
Try a few demos out and see what ya think.
I recently had an old hardtail as my main ride (by default), and am now back to FS, but now I have both in the quiver, and that will be great.
Much to the dismay of my SS/hardtail friends, the FS will regain status as my main ride now.
Can't really give any input to the best one for the job in your price range, but I'm sure many other people will chime in here.

[jenamin]

all of the ranches are a flippin' BLAST on a 29'er HT ;-) just sayin'.... no issues whatsoever. in fact, i'd argue they're more fun .. but that is my personal experience and opinion ;-)

go test out a few!! see what suits your style and fancy ;-)

jj

[SkaredShtles]

Once you throw in White Ranch you put yourself in full suspension territory. Preferably something 5 & 5.

[jenamin]

Originally Posted by SkaredShtles

Once you throw in White Ranch you put yourself in full suspension territory. Preferably something 5 & 5.

NOWAY, MAN!!!

nahhhhh.....

the 29er rolls perfectly all over that lovely ranch.



jj

[SkaredShtles]

Originally Posted by jenamin

NOWAY, MAN!!!

nahhhhh.....

the 29er rolls perfectly all over that lovely ranch.



jj

I'm sure it does...

[jenamin]

Originally Posted by SkaredShtles

I'm sure it does...

hahha... what are you saying ... rolling eyes ;-)



are you doubting my opinion and personal experiences, or are you being sarcastic!?!?

but i definitely think that the OP should test a few out.... that would be wise

jj

[topmounter]

For $2-3k you can get a bike with suspension on both ends that pedals nice with few, if any, compromises compared to a hard-tail.

As for 26 vs. 29, you can make either work, but I'd recommend demo'ing a couple 29er's to see if the trade-offs are worth it for you.

Personally, if I needed to buy an off-the-shelf everyday / anywhere bike right now in that price range, I'd be looking real hard at a Giant Trance X2.

[Ithnu]

Originally Posted by topmounter

Personally, if I needed to buy an off-the-shelf everyday / anywhere bike right now in that price range, I'd be looking real hard at a Giant Trance X2.

Good advice there.

For reference I ride a 33 pound Commencal Meta 6 everywhere on the Front Range. I have a hard tail in the build process as well.

Will the hard tail pedal better and be lighter? Yup! Will the 6" bike smoke the hard tail on the descents, you bet your buttocks it will.

Or...SPAM warning! Hit me with a PM and I can tell you about Commencal prices! The Meta 5 or Super 4 fall into your category.

[zorro]

Originally Posted by lidarman

I have ridden all that on a 80 mm hardtail so it's hard to judge.

My FS had made me slower....but so has my age.

But FS is more comfortable and the DH is much more pleasurable.

I also blame my slowness on my FS and age.Thought I was the only one. The downhill is so much smoother though.

[SkaredShtles]

Originally Posted by jenamin

hahha... what are you saying ... rolling eyes ;-)



are you doubting my opinion and personal experiences, or are you being sarcastic!?!?
jj

Heck no! I'm just saying your personal experience would likely be in the minority when it comes to appropriate bikes at White Ranch. Full sus is appropriate there.

[SkaredShtles]

Originally Posted by topmounter

Personally, if I needed to buy an off-the-shelf everyday / anywhere bike right now in that price range, I'd be looking real hard at a Giant Trance X2.

This mt biker speaks WISELY...

[davec113]

Good advice, whether you like 29ers is a personal choice. If going ht, a 29er does roll a lot smoother than 26 and would be my choice if not going with a fs bike.

My personal preference would be a light 26" fs bike. Giant Trance is worth trying out, I'd also look at a Trek Fuel for that price range, their new ABP sus. is very sweet.

[cbrock450]

+1 on 29er HT.

I use to have a 5 inch travel fs and sold it after picking up the 29er HT.
I just don't see the need for a 5 inch travel bike with the majority of the trails on the front range. I am forced to ride a little bit different with the HT but the positives outweigh the negatives for me.

[q_at96]

+1 on the Fuel EX series.. Just switched from a HT to the EX9 and I am very happy w/ the FS around the "Ranches".

Q

[DWF]

If you have a pair of testicles and still remember what they're for, get a hard tail. If you're a Nancy boy, get a 29er. If you ride with all the grace of a horse turd hitting the trail, get a full squishy.

[jenamin]

Originally Posted by DWF

If you have a pair of testicles and still remember what they're for, get a hard tail. If you're a Nancy boy, get a 29er. If you ride with all the grace of a horse turd hitting the trail, get a full squishy.

i love your sense of humor

you have something for me to try out!?!??

jj

[jugdish]

What type of bike do you all recommed if I ride the "ranches" (love it!) but sometimes ride the gulches, occasionally the passes, once in a blue moon commute, ride daily to the coffee haus(es), hit the bike paths but never ride the road?

Oh, and can you comment on what tire to run?

[davec113]

Originally Posted by DWF

If you ride with all the grace of a horse turd hitting the trail, get a full squishy.

Pic of DWF on a full squishy Sorry, man... had to do it.

[WKD-RDR]

Originally Posted by DWF

If you have a pair of testicles and still remember what they're for, get a hard tail. If you're a Nancy boy, get a 29er.

a HT 29er makes you a ballzy Nancy boy.

[davec113]

Originally Posted by WKD-RDR

a HT 29er makes you a ballzy Nancy boy.

Well, $hit... I don't have a pic of you on your FULL SQUISH 29ER.

You must be a Nancy Boy who rides with all the grace of a horse turd hitting the trail.

I'm on a roll tonight

[WKD-RDR]

Originally Posted by davec113

FULL SQUISH 29ER.

with big, fat, tubeless tires at 23.6 PSI

= best all around trailbike I've ever had, I know you want one.
The negatives of a bit less agility are far outweighed by the way it dominates climbs and rolls over roots and baby heads IMO...

It's all a compromise of some sort.

[DWF]

Originally Posted by davec113

Pic of DWF on a full squishy Sorry, man... had to do it.

Racist!

That's a photochop job if I've ever seen one.

[SkaredShtles]

Originally Posted by davec113

Pic of DWF on a full squishy Sorry, man... had to do it.

Is that guy on the side *spotting* him?

[DWF]

Originally Posted by jenamin

i love your sense of humor

you have something for me to try out!?!??

jj

I'm about 3-months behind due to all the life drama that's gone down, but the short answer is yes, sometime in August.

[nOOby]

I've got a 6" FS and a HT 29er.

I'm sooo confused.

[mtbjedi1]

I've heard the best bike is one with 2 wheels and pedals.

[DWF]

Originally Posted by nOOby

I've got a 6" FS and a HT 29er.

I'm sooo confused.

Bi-curious.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by SkaredShtles

Is that guy on the side *spotting* him?

You'd understand better if you saw the section.

[SkaredShtles]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

You'd understand better if you saw the section.

Watch out for that criff!

[nOOby]

techinically the HT is a SS so...

Originally Posted by DWF

Bi-curious.

[Moustache rider]

Between a FS 26er and a HT 29er, I'm going to tell you the honest truth here. You must have both.
If I ride the one on the right too much I start drinking white zinfandel, talk to my wife about my feelings and I have a strong urge to ride Buffalo Creek.
If I ride the one on the left too much I drink lots of PBR, grow a big gut and my IQ gets lower.

Balance is critical.

[nOOby]

agreed balance is key

[DWF]

Originally Posted by nOOby

techinically the HT is a SS so...

Uh....

[WKD-RDR]

I agree with noobs, and MooStash (a lot - great bike!).

One compliments the other

[djanis99]

Went the the Stumpjumper Marathon 29er. Maybe next year I will go with the EPIC - it was tough choice. Have a baby on the way so one bike at a time. FS takes some of the fun out of the sport - too easy to just point the bike downhill.

[pmrider]

I know its too late but +1 for Trance X


As far as full supsension goes-- its awesome! It is not "too easy to just point it down hill" unless your going slow. I got out of riding in the mid 90's because I was sick of getting bucked around. I would look at a dirt bikes flowing over terrain and thought "wow - that makes more sense." Now I can flow over terrain, not lose my vision decending, not have tingling sensations in my arms and hands, and can work trails with grace and speed. Don't get me wrong, for trials like C-Cone I will borrow my roomates beatered GT Zaskar w/ V-brakes becuase ya- - that it still fun on smooth buffness.

Word

[jake7]

Originally Posted by WKD-RDR

I agree with noobs, and MooStash (a lot - great bike!).

One compliments the other

Noticed the NeverSummer Heritage in the background - Great board! I ride the wide due to my size 15 feet
EDIT: holy duplicate posts! Sorry about that ... I'm blaiming the server!

[jake7]

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[Moustache rider]

Originally Posted by WKD-RDR

I agree with noobs, and MooStash (a lot - great bike!).

One compliments the other

Copycat.

[Moustache rider]

Delete

[dbabuser]

A couple questions I can't believe no one else has asked:

1. How tall are you? Size is relative, if you're short, then why do you need really tall wheels? And if you think you need bigger than 26, there's always 650b's.

2. Do you like to jump? You don't see guys riding 29'ers on dirtjumps for a reason. Bigger wheels are tougher to maneuver in the air. I am tall enough for 29" wheels, but still come up with enough dead sailors on 26" wheels to want anything bigger.


And if you think FS is boring because you can just point the bike straight down, you're riding trails that aren't challenging enough. Start looking for steeper and rockier, and quit taking the easy lines.

[Moustache rider]

Originally Posted by dbabuser

1. How tall are you? Size is relative, if you're short, then why do you need really tall wheels? And if you think you need bigger than 26, there's always 650b's.

2. Do you like to jump? You don't see guys riding 29'ers on dirtjumps for a reason. Bigger wheels are tougher to maneuver in the air. I am tall enough for 29" wheels, but still come up with enough dead sailors on 26" wheels to want anything bigger.

1. Horsepucky

2. Horsepucky

[WKD-RDR]

Originally Posted by jake7

WKD-RDR: noticed the Never Summer Heritage in the background ... great board
I ride the wide version (size 15) and love the feel of it. Cool CO graphics too

Big Foot rides a Never Summer!
Built in Colorado, for Colorado

Originally Posted by Moustache rider

Copycat.

Originally Posted by Moustache rider

Copycat.

Copycat

Is that a Van on the front? I really like mine over the Float.
I put lighter wheels and cranks on her, she rolls very nicely now. The geometry fits me better than my last 6 x 6, but not as light. I dont care, though.

Originally Posted by dbabuser

And if you think FS is boring because you can just point the bike straight down, you're riding trails that aren't challenging enough. Start looking for steeper and rockier, and quit taking the easy lines.

I was thinkin the same thing. Our trails get wider becasue so many take the easy road (not implying everyone with a HT).

29er are good for long days getting lost in the woods. They dont jump for sh!t, but they roll over chunk just fine. All depends on where you're goin. I wouldn't take my 29er to Moab (because I have a choice), but I think big wheels are goin to the Butte with me as soon I get off work tomorrow.

[nOOby]

I like the cut of your jib DWF

[Moustache rider]

Originally Posted by WKD-RDR

Copycat

Is that a Van on the front? I really like mine over the Float.
I put lighter wheels and cranks on her, she rolls very nicely now. The geometry fits me better than my last 6 x 6, but not as light. I dont care, though.

MTBR was having some issues when I posted that.

It is a 36 Van R. I've never tried a Float but have found I usually prefer coil over air. I even converted my Reba to coil.
First thing I did with my X was ditch the stock Race Face cranks for Gravity Lites, those things weigh about 90 lbs.
I'm going with a two wheelset solution. One lighter set for the trail and a heavier set for the resorts.

[WKD-RDR]

Originally Posted by Moustache rider

It is a 36 Van R. I've never tried a Float but have found I usually prefer coil over air. I even converted my Reba to coil.
First thing I did with my X was ditch the stock Race Face cranks for Gravity Lites, those things weigh about 90 lbs.
I'm going with a two wheelset solution. One lighter set for the trail and a heavier set for the resorts.

36 Float was good, the Van is great... so glad I wound up with the X1
I gave my cranks to a friend to use as a boat anchor


The stock wheelset works well as a heavy set
Mine have a set of DHF 3c 2.5s on them. It suffices pretty well as a resort ride

[ccornacc]

5in 29er Full Squish makes all the Ranches and all Colorado riding more enjoyable!! Going up and Down!

[Nickle]

New rule: whenever someone starts one of these threads, everyone just post up whatever you're riding at the time and tote it as the perfect tool. Rigid, fully, 29er, SS, hardtail, it doesn't matter, just make sure you sell it as the best tool for the job. Oh wait, we're already following that rule.

Hopefully the OP realizes that the variances in suggestions indicate that there can be a variance in preference and it all boils down to that; preference. I like skinny girls, but Bruce over here likes fatties.

[subliminalshiver]

Originally Posted by djanis99

FS takes some of the fun out of the sport - too easy to just point the bike downhill.

Right.....
Are you new?
FS puts fun into the sport!
In summary: Your original question was too open-ended to elicit a definitive response. As such, all answers have equal validity.
You're going to have a good time on your bike riding those places.
Is a HT 29er the answer? No. Probably. Yes.
Personally I'm tired of WKD-RDRs 29er evangelism. He's a drug-dealer and is not to be trusted, but I bought a 29er frame this morning just to find out for myself. Mostlyy I ride my 5.5in fully, although my favorite ride will always be my 26er steel HT SS....
It really doesn't matter. Around here you have equal odds at running into some Fred in cut-offs and flip flops on a 20+ year old MB-1 as you do as an armored girl on a cutting edge tech FR rig wherever you're riding. You can chase the dragon all you want, fall prey to whatever fad happens along (fixie 36ers or whatever is coming next) and never get the importance of just getting on your bike and riding and being happy about it. Any bike will let you do that. Everything else is just the marketing we use to convince ourselves.

[DWF]

Originally Posted by subliminalshiver

Right.....
Are you new?
FS puts fun into the sport!
In summary: Your original question was too open-ended to elicit a definitive response. As such, all answers have equal validity.
You're going to have a good time on your bike riding those places.
Is a HT 29er the answer? No. Probably. Yes.
Personally I'm tired of WKD-RDRs 29er evangelism. He's a drug-dealer and is not to be trusted, but I bought a 29er frame this morning just to find out for myself. Mostlyy I ride my 5.5in fully, although my favorite ride will always be my 26er steel HT SS....
It really doesn't matter. Around here you have equal odds at running into some Fred in cut-offs and flip flops on a 20+ year old MB-1 as you do as an armored girl on a cutting edge tech FR rig wherever you're riding. You can chase the dragon all you want, fall prey to whatever fad happens along (fixie 36ers or whatever is coming next) and never get the importance of just getting on your bike and riding and being happy about it. Any bike will let you do that. Everything else is just the marketing we use to convince ourselves.

"If you go to blackhelmet.com they usually tell you that black helmets are the best." - Funkmaster

"Full suspension is for people who don't know how to ride." - DWF

"Talk shite to me one more time and I'll shove that 29er up your ass!" - Godzilla.

[WKD-RDR]

Originally Posted by subliminalshiver

but I bought a 29er frame this morning just to find out for myself...

I'll be drinkin KoolAid in CB tomorrow afternoon if you can make it....

[Moustache rider]

HOW COME NO ONE TOLD ME WKD-RDR IS A DRUG DEALER?
PM sent.

[Generalcuz]

I ride a Cannondale 29er HT almost every week at White Ranch but in my ripe old age of 25, I have upgraded to this to deal with descending Belcher Hill comfortably. The best of both worlds. Cant wait to finish building it for next season.

[topmounter]

I used to ride rigid regularly, but the pain I was getting at the base of my skull started to concern me.

Now I only ride my rigid rig when I'm feeling nostalgic for the 90's

[Kaj]

Key point missing, why ride the Ranches in the summer??--take your HT, 29er, Full Susser into the mountains... Miller Rock, Golden Gate State Park, Evergreen, Ned, Brainard Lake are all calling. I was at Winter Park yesterday and enjoyed 70 degree weather and perfect trails. less than an hour and half from Boulder. Save the ranches for after work rides and the winter.

[lidarman]

I take back what I said earlier. You need more info.

See the best front tire for the front range threads for the answer. And if that doesn't work, try the best beer threads.

That should narrow down the choices and preferences.


That kool-aid ad cracks me up. Picture it at whole foods market. And to think, according to CNN, Colorado is the SOLE state with the percentage of obese people below 20%. In 1991, not one state had more than 20% obesity rate.

[MK_]

Originally Posted by lidarman

And to think, according to CNN, Colorado is the SOLE state with the percentage of obese people below 20%. In 1991, not one state had more than 20% obesity rate.

I guess you can't blame the Kool Aid.

_MK

[topmounter]

I wonder if Colorado residents will be exempt from mandatory morning calisthenics?

[hgravez]

For what its worth,
I used to ride only FSs but then I tried a SS 29er......now the FSs are all gone and I've got a rigid SS 29er and and steel HT 29er....and the rigid SS is $$ with the carbon fork even at dakota ridge and hall ranch.

[EmTee]

You HT 29 SSers ever rode up Lion Gulch by Estes?

Did you use any bug spray?

[dbabuser]

Originally Posted by hgravez

For what its worth,
I used to ride only FSs but then I tried a SS 29er......now the FSs are all gone and I've got a rigid SS 29er and and steel HT 29er....and the rigid SS is $$ with the carbon fork even at dakota ridge and hall ranch.

Maybe slower speeds at DR would make it doable on rigid. I rode a rigid 29'er (w/ carbon fiber fork) for ~200 yards of descent at Mt. Falcon this year. Enough for me to know that there are only very limited trails at which I could ride one, and Falcon isn't one of them. IMO, Longhorn would fall into that category as well, but I suppose most of the rest of WR might be ok...

[tmosebar]

Originally Posted by EmTee

You HT 29 SSers ever rode up Lion Gulch by Estes?

Did you use any bug spray?

Yes but not me! Front RAnge Migz kills most everything on a rigid ss Wily.

[tmosebar]

Simple but tough.
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[DWF]

Originally Posted by dbabuser

Maybe slower speeds at DR would make it doable on rigid. I rode a rigid 29'er (w/ carbon fiber fork) for ~200 yards of descent at Mt. Falcon this year. Enough for me to know that there are only very limited trails at which I could ride one, and Falcon isn't one of them. IMO, Longhorn would fall into that category as well, but I suppose most of the rest of WR might be ok...

Jesus. When did you become such a *****? Who are you and what did you do with dbabuser?

[BillyBob]

To the OP: I am surprised at the number of people advising you to spend $3000 on a hardtail. For that kind of money you can get a great all-around, full-suspension XC/AM bike that will be a far superior overall ride for most people's money. The Giant Trance that a couple people recommended is an excellent choice and there are plenty of others too.

There is a reason that 90% of the high end bikes out there are full suspension. The nice ones climb extremely well and descend far better than a HT. Yes, there are some people out there who like hardtails, but usually even then it is a specific hardtail that they are in love with, not hardtails in general. HT is more of a niche bike these days - a small minority of riders actually prefer them, and most (not all) of those folks also own a FS bike. Big balls has NOTHING to do with it, so don't be swayed by that - check out some of the photos posted in the Freeride/DH forum for examples of brass balls, and note how many of them ride HT.

My humble opinion is this - you have 3 grand - get a nice 26" full suspension bike. You already own a hardtail! If you buy an expensive HT you will feel jealous and regretful when you ride your friends' nice FS bikes, and then you will probably suffer from denial for a long time, possibly losing years of good FS riding until you finally come to your senses and buy one. You have been warned!

[DWF]

Originally Posted by BillyBob

There is a reason that 90% of the high end bikes out there are full suspension.

Would that be the same reason 90% of the US population are huge fatties?

The CZJ on the left rides a hardtail. The CZJ on the right rides a full squishy. Word to your mother.

[BillyBob]

Yes, I grant you that the CatherineZetaJones on the right does appear to have significantly more travel.

But we are talking about mountain bikes here! So here is a typical, everyday hardtailer:



...now don't get me wrong, that looks like a fun summer activity (even though she appears to just be riding through a field with no trail).

But here is a typical, everyday squishy-rider:

[hitechredneck]

wouldnt it be the other way around? with the pic above me, or am i just taking the pic as, on the right this is what she looked like when she rode a nice light hard tail around and her ass was plenty of squishy with 6" of ass crack travel. but she got a heavier FS to make riding better and going up hill was more of a work out so she lost all the weight and has slimmed down. Just thought i would add random remarks to this thread since i read the whole thing.
To op i ride a 6" bike everwhere and enjoy it, make me stronger on the climbs with the extra weight of the bike, more fun to go down, and back does not kill on long rides. My HT is sitting gathering dust after many years of loyal service but like the tube TV it is a thing of the past. Next someone is going to tell you that if you ride a squishy fork you have no balls.lol It all depends on the way you want to ride if you want to hall ass down and really enjoy going fast and smooth down then get a FS. If you want to be able to take you buddys out and show them how has you can climb a hill with monster truck tires get a 29'r. Go demo a few rigs and see what fits your riding style the best and dont worry about what other people "say" you should get.

[DWF]

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Yes]

See how much typing that would save you?

Let's just face it: you're a furry and you ride a full squishy; no one expects your arguments to make sense.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Nickle

I like skinny girls, but Bruce over here likes fatties.

... and others among us like to share a fatty with a skinny girl.

[hitek79]

Fat girls are crazier in bed!

[dbabuser]

Originally Posted by DWF

Jesus. When did you become such a *****? Who are you and what did you do with dbabuser?

I'll assume that your bleeped out word was complimentary. I've been working on my online persona since I've been unemployed. So, as I don't have work peeps to rile anymore...

[bikeandski]

Originally Posted by DWF

Would that be the same reason 90% of the US population are huge fatties?

The CZJ on the left rides a hardtail. The CZJ on the right rides a full squishy. Word to your mother.

IMHO, CZJ, fat or skinny has been used up, worked, worn out and is no longer needed. But that's just me...

[nomit]

if i were doing white ranch a lot, i'd want some full suspension. 438 water bars in one ride can get rough on something stiff.

couple times a year, along with the other 'ranches'...i don't think it really matters. the other ones are all pretty mellow.

[EmTee]

Originally Posted by tmosebar

Yes but not me! Front RAnge Migz kills most everything on a rigid ss Wily.

WTF...

Well I was going to use that as a devil's advocate argument for the "regular" bike. But the guy already got his 29 HT... Aside from the mosquitos, I can actually enjoy Lion Gulch (if only for the downhill). I am pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy the essential scree-field quality of sections of that trail as much on a ridgid or HT, nor the many and sometimes giant steps. Riding with HTers (remember, we all used to be one) all I ever heard was babyhead this and babyhead that... wtfever. I guess they were all just sissies like me and hadn't admitted it yet. They've all since bought FS. I don't think the FS choice has really detracted from riding hall via antelope, for example, or picture rock. But then, for me, it matters most that I have solid brakes and a good (fast) downhill experience... to each his own... if this were Washington I'd probably enjoy a HT just fine. Around here I think you ridgid guys are just nuts and can't help but suspect a senseless manliness contest in the air... whoops, that was, to each his own... I gotta use my wrists (both of them) each day (for work, and not in the adult entertainment industry) so I stuck with the longer travel up front and passed up the 29 fad. And now, just as a test:

Any of you 29 HT SSers ever rode the stairs at walker?

[nomit]

Any of you 29 HT SSers ever rode the stairs at walker?

yea. i'm gnar.

i did it with a kayak on my back. then when i got to the bottom i kayaked all the class 5's down eldorado.

backwards.

[DWF]

Originally Posted by EmTee

Any of you 29 HT SSers ever rode the stairs at walker?

There are stairs? I'll have to pay more attention next time.....

[Thrasher]

Man this thread was hilarious. It seemed like the OP had his mind made up before he even posted here. I've never ridden a 29'er but would like to try one sometime to see how they roll over terrain. Imagine it might help with my neck pains a little also. Hopefully I can try one sometime to see what they're all about. As far as my style of riding I'd pretty much need rear Suspension the way I slam by back tire into tree roots, rocks , erosion steps/etc while descending most front range terrain.