Velocity Chukker

[baycat]

Velocity is releasing a new rim for the bike polo crowd, and they mentioned an older rim the Deep V ATB. The Chukker is similar to this rim but a bit bigger.

Has anyone run the Deep V ATB on a 29er or smaller wheeled bike? Curious to see if it is possible or even worth running these on a 29er.

http://velocityusa.blogspot.com/







"So we heard you guys were looking for something a little stronger, little beefier, little wider. How about a Velocity Deep V on steroids? We've had this extrusion in the lineup before; you might remember it as the Deep V ATB? We will be bringing it back, for the trickster crowd, as well as for the bike polo crowd, and anyone else looking for a bit wider alterative to the tried and true Velocity Deep V."

"We would like your input on what drillings we should bring it in for the 26" and 700c sizes. We will probably just be doing our Ano. colors, and NON machined sidewalls to keep the cost down. You shouldn't have any problems running a brake on the Non MSW Ano. We will have some new ano. colors to choose from such as, Olive Mist Green, Midnight blue, dark Bronze, to go along with our silver, bright silver, gold, and ti. grey."

[bobbotron]

The normal deep V's are strong rims, but not really wide enough to be really good for a mtb tire.. a 24mm deep v sounds beefy. I expect it would be very strong, but also not light. :P

Heh, if they made a 28mm wide by 36mm tall deep v, I would buy it for the sheer ridiculousness of it. That would be one heavy, strong rim.

[madcap]

sounds perfect for my upcoming monstercross bike this summer

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by baycat

Velocity is releasing a new rim for the bike polo crowd, and they mentioned an older rim the Deep V ATB. The Chukker is similar to this rim but a bit bigger.

Has anyone run the Deep V ATB on a 29er or smaller wheeled bike? Curious to see if it is possible or even worth running these on a 29er.

The Deep V ATB was 26" only. Was never interested in it as it was very heavy for a 24mm wide rim and did not have eyelets.

Note that the 700C Deep V (19mm wide) has a claimed weight of 520g. At 24mm (and deeper) it could be approaching the Gordo in weight and still be much narrower.

[PeanutButterBreath]

Did a little riding with an Exiwolf on a Deep V. 19mm was adequate for mfr. recommended pressures. 24mm should be better, though you'll still have a heavy rim that isn't particularly wide.

[Schmucker]

The Halo Freedom disc is 28mm wide and 25mm tall.

I would buy the Chukker's for a monstercross bike. Definetely

I've wrecked a Deep V and a Dyad JRA so...

[bobbotron]

Originally Posted by Schmucker

I've wrecked a Deep V and a Dyad JRI so...

That's nutty, those are both strong rims.

[Guitar Ted]

They are five years too late with that one. Now with the choices we have this rim doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a 29"er rig unless they are super cheap.

I used the Deep V ATB on my 95 FSR S-Works bike and they were kind of heavy but they also were quite stiff. I have Deep V's on my Karate Monkey too, and they are okay, but I for one do not like the narrow rim.

I just don't see why one would buy this over a Blunt. The Blunt will probably end up being lighter too!

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

They are five years too late with that one. Now with the choices we have this rim doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a 29"er rig unless they are super cheap.

I used the Deep V ATB on my 95 FSR S-Works bike and they were kind of heavy but they also were quite stiff. I have Deep V's on my Karate Monkey too, and they are okay, but I for one do not like the narrow rim.

I just don't see why one would buy this over a Blunt. The Blunt will probably end up being lighter too!

Heck, the Blunt claimed weight is 30g less than the road Deep V!

[illnacord]

Guitarted, you're missing the point of the chukker. Name does suck. The whole appeal to the "hipster" (very loose general stereotype) crowd (in all fairness you're not a hipster - too old in mind, but fortunately, not heart!) of the deep v's is the DEEP part. Just as in appeal of deep house, its the deepness of the rim. For example, wouldn't one rather go for Mavic Open Pros over Deep V for strength if it really was about function? The chukker is bridging the gap for the hipsters in MTB, even though its marketed as a bike polo rim (48h, max strength requested by polo players). Literally two weeks after I sent an email over to Velocity Australia and USA requesting more width on the Spring 2009 release Velocity B43 rim (triple chamber deep v), asking for 28mm width, (its final design is: 19mm wide, 43mm deep) to run as an MTB 29er rim, the news released about the Chukker to my delight. It's also why I emailed guitarted about the chocolate Deep V wheelset with 29x2.1 tires and the pressures required. I was considering the B43, weight out the window. No cares when I'm 200 lbs. and a beast of a gorilla, anyways. The chukker has superceded the Halo Freedom Disc (Syncros DS28) up to this point, the best deep v mtb rim available. The only plus about the Salsa Gordo's is its width, as in a wider and heavier Velocity Blunt with a better pedigree for MTB community.

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by illnacord

Guitarted, you're missing the point of the chukker. Name does suck. The whole appeal to the "hipster" (very loose general stereotype) crowd (in all fairness you're not a hipster - too old in mind, but fortunately, not heart!) of the deep v's is the DEEP part. Just as in appeal of deep house, its the deepness of the rim. For example, wouldn't one rather go for Mavic Open Pros over Deep V for strength if it really was about function? The chukker is bridging the gap for the hipsters in MTB, even though its marketed as a bike polo rim (48h, max strength requested by polo players). Literally two weeks after I sent an email over to Velocity Australia and USA requesting more width on the Spring 2009 release Velocity B43 rim (triple chamber deep v), asking for 28mm width, (its final design is: 19mm wide, 43mm deep) to run as an MTB 29er rim, the news released about the Chukker to my delight. It's also why I emailed guitarted about the chocolate Deep V wheelset with 29x2.1 tires and the pressures required. I was considering the B43, weight out the window. No cares when I'm 200 lbs. and a beast of a gorilla, anyways. The chukker has superceded the Halo Freedom Disc (Syncros DS28) up to this point, the best deep v mtb rim available. The only plus about the Salsa Gordo's is its width, as in a wider and heavier Velocity Blunt with a better pedigree for MTB community.

Somewhat confusing post with some strange conclusions

[illnacord]

Shiggy, sorry, it was just a brain fart of everything I have been researching and observing for months here. I have a set of Phil's sitting here in front of me and ride with fixed gear riders on my wheels of steel rides so you can see the influence as the sole rep on an SS MTB. It goes both ways as one of the riders who is harder on his equpment rides on a Surly Steamroller fixie with a TN719 29" rear and a 717 26" front, doing a wheelie for a quarter mile while bar spinning one handed.

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by illnacord

Shiggy, sorry, it was just a brain fart of everything I have been researching and observing for months here. I have a set of Phil's sitting here in front of me and ride with fixed gear riders on my wheels of steel rides so you can see the influence as the sole rep on an SS MTB. It goes both ways as one of the riders who is harder on his equpment rides on a Surly Steamroller fixie with a TN719 29" rear and a 717 26" front, doing a wheelie for a quarter mile while bar spinning one handed.

?? ??

[boomn]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug

[Guitar Ted]

Guitarted, you're missing the point of the chukker. Name does suck. The whole appeal to the "hipster" (very loose general stereotype) crowd (in all fairness you're not a hipster - too old in mind, but fortunately, not heart!) of the deep v's is the DEEP part.

????

I "get" the marketing part. What I am saying is, it doesn't make any sense as a 29"er product and especially coming from Velocty who should be concentrating on making a wider Blunt rim if they want the interest of 29"er freaks.

That's what I'm saying.

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

Guitarted, you're missing the point of the chukker. Name does suck. The whole appeal to the "hipster" (very loose general stereotype) crowd (in all fairness you're not a hipster - too old in mind, but fortunately, not heart!) of the deep v's is the DEEP part.

????

I "get" the marketing part. What I am saying is, it doesn't make any sense as a 29"er product and especially coming from Velocty who should be concentrating on making a wider Blunt rim if they want the interest of 29"er freaks.

That's what I'm saying.

I am in agreement, GT. I see the Blunt as a competitor to the Bonty Duster. About the same weight and width. Good choices if the rider is not too heavy or abusive.

The Salsa Semi is the next step up in strength for the latter riders, followed by the Halo Freedom Disc. All of the above mentioned are in the same width range.

The Gordo and Kris Holm rims have the extra width and strength beyond the first four.

The Chukkar can compete with any of the above only in outright stiffness (because if the depth and amount of material/mass) and style. The 24mm width is just too narrow for the type of mtb riders that would benefit from the strength. They will look cool, though. Especially if available with the sublimated graphics.

[bobbotron]

Funny, I was telling my girlfriend and another friend about these tonight, and accidentally called them "the chunky". Things got going from there, and now we've given them the nickname "chunky lover".



It's funny. When things come out on Mtbr, they sometimes get torn to pieces or worshiped like crazy. I have a feeling these will fall more into the former category. I think they're a good rim. Sure they're heavy, but I predict they'll be really really really strong. A 24mm rim isn't so bad either. Tons of people ride them, no problem. I think that's a really good width for tires around 700x45 too...

[PeanutButterBreath]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

What I am saying is, it doesn't make any sense as a 29"er product and especially coming from Velocty who should be concentrating on making a wider Blunt rim if they want the interest of 29"er freaks.

Its not a 29er product. Its a Bike Polo & FG freestyler product according to Velocity's blog.

As far as what Velocity should be concentrating on, I wonder how the 29er market compares to the fashion conscious urban fixie market. . .

[Schmucker]

Originally Posted by PeanutButterBreath

Its not a 29er product. Its a Bike Polo & FG freestyler product according to Velocity's blog.

As far as what Velocity should be concentrating on, I wonder how the 29er market compares to the fashion conscious urban fixie market. . .

But it's a worthless product with them having the B43 (a triple walled Deep V) coming out in May.

[mvi]

Please stop giving ilnacord answers with smilies instead of words.
The guy has a new rim that can be used for 29'rs and probably doesn't cost $110 like a Gordo. Good for us. Thanks for explaining.

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by PeanutButterBreath

Its not a 29er product. Its a Bike Polo & FG freestyler product according to Velocity's blog.

. . .

As I stated: "I get the marketing part."

I didn't say "they" said it was a 29"er product. I said, "it doesn't make sense as a 29"er product."

My opinion. Hope that is clear now.

[PeanutButterBreath]

Originally Posted by Schmucker

But it's a worthless product with them having the B43 (a triple walled Deep V) coming out in May.

The Deep V, B43 and Chukker are all worthless products, IMO. Too heavy for the maximum width tire they can support. But I am not the arbiter of what is a worthy addition to Velocity's product line.

KinLin makes a 30x19mm rim that is 65g lighter than the Deep V. But rather than re-tool their product to a competitive weight, Velocity is focusing on a ridiculous assortment of new colorways. It seems to me that Velocity's focus is on fashion and not function. If that's a niche that they can make work, good for them.

A new shade of blue ano seems redundant to me, but it will probably be more profitable than a wider Blunt.

[madcap]

Originally Posted by shiggy

Especially if available with the sublimated graphics.

I've seen all the graphics at Interbike and have a set of the "suits" design and a set of the bassboat black/green at my shop. We hope some fixie kid will see them and cream his pants instantly.

The Chukker available in all those colors would be very sweet, especially since we have a local bike polo thing going on. I'm thinking a set in ano gold would go well with my future green monstercross frame.

[illnacord]

Chukker. From John Prolly:



A fixie reported that he taco'd his Salsa Delgado 36H 4x in a few days after riding it. LOL. They complain that the 29er MTB rims are just as laterally fragile as the road 700c rims.

[illnacord]

If the Chukker rim can handle drops off stairs with a 200 lb. gorilla strapped into a beasty fixed gear urban BMX 700c frame, I think some MTB 29er XC action is more than acceptable. More here.

[rockhound]

Originally Posted by shiggy

Was never interested in it as it was very heavy for a 24mm wide rim and did not have eyelets.

My local wheel guru says eyelets only make a rim weaker and only aid in building them up.

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by illnacord

If the Chukker rim can handle drops off stairs with a 200 lb. gorilla strapped into a beasty fixed gear urban BMX 700c frame, I think some MTB 29er XC action is more than acceptable.

We never said the rim would be weak.

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by rockhound

My local wheel guru says eyelets only make a rim weaker and only aid in building them up.

Not my experience.

If nothing else, a wheel can not be as strong if the rim is difficult to build with.

[finger51]

Anyone know where I can get one ?
I'm looking to build a new front wheel for my polo whip. 48h means no balls flying through my spokes!

[BEEZLEBOSS]

I think what 29'r mountain bike wheels are lacking is a higher flange hub.
All the hoop's mentioned above are good for dirt or street riding if the hub flange is taller.
The math to this is easy. Deep dish hoop to super high flange hub = shorter spokes and less torsional leverage. This makes the drive side more stiff and the bike will be more snappy. For example I weigh 280lbs (on a good day) and ride a fixed gear on the street most of the time the wheels I built for it are: Velocity deep v to Level components super high flange hubs with DT revolution butted spokes. these wheel are bullet proof there is not much I could do to make these wheels go out of true and have never had to tune them after all the abuse I put them through.

[AL29er]

beezleboss, just build it up with a Chub hub. Be pretty sweet to be the first kid on the block rocking a chubby chucker wheelset

[umarth]

I'm less than excited about Prolly's guess appearance in the 29er forum. I get enough of hipsters walking outside.

[finger51]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

Guitarted, you're missing the point of the chukker. Name does suck. The whole appeal to the "hipster" (very loose general stereotype) crowd (in all fairness you're not a hipster - too old in mind, but fortunately, not heart!) of the deep v's is the DEEP part.

????

I "get" the marketing part. What I am saying is, it doesn't make any sense as a 29"er product and especially coming from Velocty who should be concentrating on making a wider Blunt rim if they want the interest of 29"er freaks.

That's what I'm saying.

it's not a 29'er product. It's a polo product. That's why they're making them in 26" too. Also, lot's of polo bikes run rim brakes, which would not work out too well on a blunt.

[illnacord]

finger51, nice try. You're right: the 700c is specifically a polo product. However, the 26" was made years ago, it's an existing 26" MTB rim Velocity used to make thus the 24 width (an old school width for MTB rims). The Chukker's are not available in machined sidewalls. I haven't yet seen a bike polo player running a brake (or even just a front for that matter), could be my area though.

As for my Chukker's, I'm not high enough on Velocity USA's list to be floated a set. I put my order in at the local bike shop over five weeks ago for a late May shipment arrival in USA. Still waiting, you know how it goes!

[finger51]

Originally Posted by illnacord

finger51, nice try. You're right: the 700c is specifically a polo product. However, the 26" was made years ago, it's an existing 26" MTB rim Velocity used to make thus the 24 width (an old school width for MTB rims). The Chukker's are not available in machined sidewalls. I haven't yet seen a bike polo player running a brake (or even just a front for that matter), could be my area though.

As for my Chukker's, I'm not high enough on Velocity USA's list to be floated a set. I put my order in at the local bike shop over five weeks ago for a late May shipment arrival in USA. Still waiting, you know how it goes!

velocityusa.com lists them under 700c and 26". Also since I was having a tough time finding one I emailed them:

Hi~

Trying to locate an online dealer of a 26" 48h chukker. Thanks ~finger51

Follow up message
Thanks for your interest in Velocity Chukkers. We haven’t received any 48h Chukkers yet. You can visit www.everybicycletire.com and have them put a back order in the system for you. Let them know if you need machined or non-machined braking surface.

We should see some more Chukkers in mid July

Cheers,
MD
Sales Manager
Velocity USA
800.453.6126
md@velocityusa.com

so it sounds like a machined sidewall will be in the offer ...

Regarding polo brakes:
so many different configs out there. One of the guys I play with is fixed with a front brake. We had an invitational here in SF a few months ago and most of the Seattle crew was free-wheelin' with a rear brake (I think they took 1st 2nd & 3rd place too) Portland crowd was mostly free-wheel +R brake too.
I'd say the folks who play fixed here in SF are in the minority. We have regular chukkers monday and wednesday nights and most of the better players are freewheel.

recently featured in SFGATE too!

[Soupboy]

Originally Posted by PeanutButterBreath

I wonder how the 29er market compares to the fashion conscious urban fixie market. . .

Incomparable. The only thing that out styles/niches the FG fanboi set is the tandem full suspension mUni cult.

You'd think the wider yet reasonably "deep" Halo Freedom (available in the new black - aka "white") would have them all swelling in their man capris...

[Slurry]

I will never ever buy or build up a velocity rim again. Their manufacturing process is garbage (from all the rims i've seen/owned).

[illnacord]

@Soupboy: it's the opposite way around for me: The Halo Freedom (same as Syncros DS28) 29er rim was my first choice until the news dropped about the Chukker. The Halo/Syncos rims should be about half the price of the Chukker's at this time which is funny as the Halo/Syncros most certainly are a higher value and quality (don't let Velocity hear that one!).

@Slurry: To add, Gman086 in a separate post just noted: "Stans are notorious for going out of true because NO eyelets = pathetic spoke tension)" The Chukker does not have eyelets.

[finger51]

Looks like Benscycle has some 700c's in silver with 48 hole. $70 per rim. Not a bad price, but I'll wait for the black ones.

[nikwashere]

FWIW, I have VXC's built up on King hubs for a 29er. Riding great, nice and light to me.

[illnacord]

Velocity Chukker - MTB 29er 700c rim - claimed weight 538g, 24mm rim width, 32mm rim height.

Velocity Chukker 36H Anodized Black, DT Swiss Champion, laced up to high flange Phil disc hubs in discotech blue. Built by Walnut Creek's Encina Bicycles. Been waiting on these rims to arrive at Velocity USA since May, finally received by the LBS via special order a couple weeks ago. Had to get replacement 48 length presta tubes as the deep dish only allowed the tip of the existing valve 29x2.125s to poke out. This is a macro shot but no complete, had to make a pizza deep dish chicago style mushroom and spinach run with a ice cold pitcher of nitro'd frothy deep Guinness to celebrate.

[madcap]

I waited too long to order a set for my new cyclocross rig. Velocity won't have anymore for at least 3 weeks and I get my cyclocross frame in the next few days. I've got everything for the bike except the rims

[bobbotron]

Originally Posted by illnacord

Velocity Chukker - MTB 29er 700c rim - claimed weight 538g, 24mm rim width, 32mm rim height.

Velocity Chukker 36H Anodized Black, DT Swiss Champion, laced up to high flange Phil disc hubs in discotech blue. Built by Walnut Creek's Encina Bicycles. Been waiting on these rims to arrive at Velocity USA since May, finally received by the LBS via special order a couple weeks ago. Had to get replacement 48 length presta tubes as the deep dish only allowed the tip of the existing valve 29x2.125s to poke out. This is a macro shot but no complete, had to make a pizza deep dish chicago style mushroom and spinach run with a ice cold pitcher of nitro'd frothy deep Guinness to celebrate.

Nice looking rim. I bet it weighs more than 538g, that seems quite low.

[illnacord]

@bobbotron: Over six foot one and over 200 lbs., I went for the "strength weenie" as opposed to the "weight weenie". Didn't flinch: went straight guage spokes, 36 holes, brass nipples, what some may consider heavy hubs, Phil Wood single speed disc hubs, combined with a White Industries ENO freewheel. I really wanted the a) aesthetics and b) snappy aero and strong ride. But shhhhh, it was just choice "a" ;-)

@madcap: post up your laced wheelset when completed. BTW, if this means anything for your wait time, Velocity USA told me "3 weeks" in April.

[Davidcopperfield]

Originally Posted by illnacord

Didn't flinch: went straight guage spokes, 36 holes, brass nipples,

Now we're talking. Tell me that you laced them 4x. I always brag with my wheelset. It is pretty good. http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=448664

[madcap]

Originally Posted by illnacord

@madcap: post up your laced wheelset when completed. BTW, if this means anything for your wait time, Velocity USA told me "3 weeks" in April.

D'OH! That sucks.

[illnacord]

The Velocity Chukker is prowling the streets:

Prolly is not Probably fixed gear urban brawler, tire size 700x38c:


metrotuned steel single speed 29er, tire size 29x2.1:


How do the presta valves clear the deep dish? Standard sizes do not. Bontrager makes slime tubes in 29x2.125 with 48 length prestas - they were needed to clear the 32mm depth of the rim. Available at the local bike shop (haven't seen them online anywhere). I was stoked on avoiding the valve extenders.

[bobbotron]

Originally Posted by illnacord

@bobbotron: Over six foot one and over 200 lbs., I went for the "strength weenie" as opposed to the "weight weenie". Didn't flinch: went straight guage spokes, 36 holes, brass nipples, what some may consider heavy hubs, Phil Wood single speed disc hubs, combined with a White Industries ENO freewheel. I really wanted the a) aesthetics and b) snappy aero and strong ride. But shhhhh, it was just choice "a" ;-)

@madcap: post up your laced wheelset when completed. BTW, if this means anything for your wait time, Velocity USA told me "3 weeks" in April.

No need to explain weight concerns to me. I built up some WTB DD FR rims a while ago. I'm just sayin', I don't think those rims are their claimed weight. (But maybe they've done something fancy!)

Looking on the velocity USA website, they're listed at 650g.

Sounds like a nice wheelset! I don't care about aesthetics, but durable wheels are great in my books.