I was the Angry Hiker today

driftwood · 12-07-2008

I loaded up my dog and my girl and headed to Pisgah for a hike today. I picked a hiking only trail with one of the most spectacular vistas in the district and we took the hard way to the top climbing over 1600' in less than a mile. When we got to the top I heated up some water for hot chocolate while Terri took in the 360 degree views and my dog rested. My dog only likes bikes when I am on one so when Terri said she saw two bikers pushing bikes up the trail I thought she was joking but sure enough two morons popped through the Rhododendron. I couldn't believe it. This wasn't some remote section of trail closed to bikes because it was too steep instead it was a VERY popular trail used heavily by hikers and though I've seen poachers before never have I seen such a brazen display of idiocy.

I quickly informed them that it was a hiking only trail to which the leader replied "oh, it isn't Farlow Gap?". No, it isn't Farlow, moron. Of course they knew that and were only making a lame attempt at covering their asses. I was pissed and went on to chastise them for not having respect for the trails and endangering all the trails that are open to bikes. The first two riders didn't feel like sticking around to hear my rant and kept right on going but more shuttle cocks kept pushing up and I kept telling them what I thought of their actions. They were loaded up with tons of armor and attitudes to match and I started making fun of them for being such sissies who had to shuttle instead of riding to the top and lacked the skills to ride to the bottom without the aid of full body armor. It was my first experience being the Angry Hiker and I was very pissed.

They were lucky their lazy asses couldn't push their bikes any faster because if they were bombing down while we were still hiking up the very steep slope we would have had very real problems. As it was all they did was ruin a perfectly good cup of hot chocolate while I acted like a jackass in front of my girlfriend and each of them had no choice but to listen to me as they walked past the overlook. We took the other way down and I tried my best to erase their enormous tread marks as we worked our way down and shuddered at the thought of what they were doing to the freshly thawed tread as they bombed down.

I still can't believe that fellow riders can be so absolutely clueless and reckless. If anyone reading this was in that group today is reading this and didn't get my point let me make it clear: Stay home next time. You are not welcome in Pisgah.

pisgahrider · 12-07-2008

What trail are you talking about? Let us all know so that if anyone mentions poaching such-and-such trail we can add to their education.

gtdrew · 12-07-2008

I don't think its necessary to reveal the trail. If anything it will only increase bike traffic on it. With that said there are not many trails that fit the description.

Acme54321 · 12-08-2008

double

Acme54321 · 12-08-2008

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Originally Posted by driftwood

I was pissed and went on to chastise them for not having respect for the trails and endangering all the trails that are open to bikes. The first two riders didn't feel like sticking around to hear my rant and kept right on going but more shuttle cocks kept pushing up and I kept telling them what I thought of their actions. They were loaded up with tons of armor and attitudes to match and I started making fun of them for being such sissies who had to shuttle instead of riding to the top and lacked the skills to ride to the bottom without the aid of full body armor.

Wow, sounds like you handled the situation great

pisgahproductions · 12-08-2008

Great Job Clay!

I doubt you sounded like jackass to your girlfriend. Just passionate.

If you don't mind..... I'd like to repost this on triangle, ridemonkey, tarheel,...... see what kind of reaction it gets out there. Maybe we can flush out these shuttlecocks.

driftwood · 12-08-2008

I did sound like a jackass. That's okay though. I wanted each one of them to know exactly how I felt...

Eric, you can repost this rant wherever you would like. They did say that they were not locals and were from sc... The leader clearly knew what trail they were on

extrmtao · 12-08-2008

South Carolinians are such morons.

I love making generalities.

Nice work Drifty parts, I would have most definitely been more of an @$$ than you.

cruso414 · 12-08-2008

I totally agree with you about guys being puss!es and doing the shuttle thing but I kinda don't understand the part about they aren't welcome in pisgah. I know what they were doing is wrong but I would say that if you start ranting like that to the wrong person (especially a local that is from here) you might wind up duct taped to a tree with a vietnam bowtie. I can totally appreciate your passion for pisgah and that is great, but when you are out in the middle of nowhere, things can get out of hand if you shoot off your mouth to the wrong person. I think it would be a better idea for you to inform them of what they were doing as wrong and possibly make a report to the ranger station. I personally wouldn't report it because it draws attention to poaching of trails. I just would hate to see another incident like pink beds over a couple of guys poaching.

extrmtao · 12-08-2008

In Driftwood's defense, he is normally a mild mannered person who wouldn't scare a mouse, I would have done the same in his situation as they are jeapordizing all of our trails in Pisgah.

When Driftywood pieces has his dog with him, he doesn't have to worry about being bow tied to nothin, that dog eats buck shot for breakfast and then will lick your face off.

extrmtao · 12-08-2008

An even better idea might be to go to the forest service say "Hey guys I am a mountain biker who belongs to PAS, we always encourage our local riders along with visitors to STAY OFF of illegal trails and hiking only trails but in this particular case I observed BLAH BLAH BLAH."

Just ignoring these poachers will only create a greater problem.

cruso414 · 12-08-2008

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Originally Posted by extrmtao

When Driftywood pieces has his dog with him, he doesn't have to worry about being bow tied to nothin, that dog eats buck shot for breakfast and then will lick your face off.

How could anyone think twice about approaching such a viscious beast.

extrmtao · 12-08-2008

Oh sure, use the picture when Duma is happy. . .

Wait until you see him mad like this particular day:

cruso414 · 12-08-2008

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Originally Posted by extrmtao

Oh sure, use the picture when Duma is happy. . .

Wait until you see him mad like this particular day:

extrmtao · 12-08-2008

Natural Born Killers!!!!

plume · 12-08-2008

fvck like I've never poached a trail?! yeah right. Sounds like they just don't know how or when to do it!

I KEED I KEED

driftwood · 12-08-2008

There was no chance of me being duct taped to anything. Yes, my dog looks very sweet and harmless but he does not like bikes and he wanted to tear the guys to pieces. He is a big boy and it took all my strength to hold him back. If I would have let him go it would have been a bad scene and he would have won. A bunch of sissies on big bikes is hardly something to be scared of

Yes, it might be overkill for me to say that they are not welcome in Pisgah and of course I'm no Pisgah Welcome Wagon but I'm sure most of the hiking community shares my sentiment that bikers who purposely poach are not welcome. Lots of people in the woods don't like bikes and such blatant poaches only make matters worse. I did run my mouth to excess but I wanted them to know that what they were doing was not cool. A few of them told me they were just following their leader and my hope is that next time they will pass on the poach shuttle.

If they wanted a technical descent they could have hit Farlow. I'm guessing they didn't have the skills for it though...

JackFromNC · 12-08-2008

I thought I was the only one who used the term shuttlecock in this way! Go ahead, xpost to ridemonkey, but you'll probably find people bragging about shuttle poaching Pisgah. Yeah, I cringe at shuttle poachers. I've run into xc poachers too though. Not to be a jerk but I've seen pictures of someone who's condemning this poach, poaching trails on his own blog.

By the way, why are some trails closed to bikes anyway? Seriously, asside from wilderness trails, is there some reason?

pisgahrider · 12-08-2008

I can think of no harm in naming the trail in question, in fact it could be useful as a way to educate riders not familiar with the trails around here. Seeing how they used "thinking they were on Farlow" as an excuse, I guess it was Art Lobe they were on. I don't condone poaching, but I know for a fact that there are riders in this thread who have poached. Take care casting that first stone, you just may hit yourself with it.

extrmtao · 12-08-2008

Are you guys saying there are hypocrits in this world . . . NO WAY!! I refuse to believe it.

I only see three people with links to their high and mighty blog's in this post so . . . .

chickenlegs · 12-08-2008

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Originally Posted by cruso414

I just would hate to see another incident like pink beds over a couple of guys poaching.

What happened at pink beds?

highdelll · 12-08-2008

op...
really?? don't come to cali w/ that 'tude- can you climb that pitch on your bike?...does 'informing' them the way you did accomplish anything? smoke a frikkin bowl...
*EDIT* smoked a 'frikkin bowl'... come to cali...i got a sweet couch!
-ps ..-your attitude will be the biggest influence -imo

cruso414 · 12-08-2008

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Originally Posted by chickenlegs

What happened at pink beds?

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2...bryant-of.html

M-U-M · 12-08-2008

"Maybe we can flush out these shuttlecocks."

Wow... I think two post-menopausal hormones just kicked in. Thanks PP!

f00lzBurden · 12-08-2008

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Originally Posted by highdelll

op...
really?? don't come to cali w/ that 'tude- can you climb that pitch on your bike?...does 'informing' them the way you did accomplish anything? smoke a frikkin bowl...
*EDIT* smoked a 'frikkin bowl'... come to cali...i got a sweet couch!
-ps ..-your attitude will be the biggest influence -imo

thats awesome!!

what does climbing have anything to do with land access?
it only takes one idiot to ruin it for every one.
shuttle run, climb and bomb.... theres plenty out there thats legal. those boys didnt have to poach. i think thats the point here.
yelling isnt so bad. i would have called the park rangers myself....

highdelll · 12-08-2008

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Originally Posted by f00lzBurden

thats awesome!!

what does climbing have anything to do with land access?
it only takes one idiot to ruin it for every one.
shuttle run, climb and bomb.... theres plenty out there thats legal. those boys didnt have to poach. i think thats the point here.
yelling isnt so bad. i would have called the park rangers myself....

as far as climbing goes;
the 'op' said something to the like..''.and I started making fun of them for being such sissies who had to shuttle instead of riding to the top and lacked the skills to ride to the bottom'' and ''They were lucky their lazy asses couldn't push their bikes any faster because if they were bombing down while we were still hiking up the very steep slope we would have had very real problems.''
hateful if ya ask me....[hate's a strong word...but what fits...]

driftwood · 12-08-2008

My issue is not with shuttling. If riders would rather spend their time driving around in a truck instead of riding their bikes to the top of a mountain that is fine with me but when they feel the need to illegally poach a trail when there are plenty of bike legal trails to choose from I have a problem with it. I hike a lot with my dog and we almost always stick to hiking only trails. Why? Because he gets very protective when he sees a bike and I would rather him not maul a fellow rider. Yes, I made fun of them for shuttling. I was pissed that they were poaching and couldn't resist making cheap jabs. I admitted to acting like a jackass, but do think they deserved it and do think they are pussies.

It isn't hard to figure out what stretch of trail this occurred on as there are few places in the district that fit the description and I'd rather not mention it by name here but as I have said it is a very popular hiking destination. It is not one of those remote trails that rarely sees traffic - every time I've hiked it I have encountered other users. Why are some trails closed to bikes? My understanding is there are two main reasons - #1 is user conflict. Hikers don't like being run over by out of control bikers so the forest service has closed the most popular trails to bikes to reduce conflict. You would think that wouldn't be a big deal because there are still plenty of trails open to bikes. So many that I don't feel the need to poach. I enjoy exploring all of Pisgah but aren't limited to a bike so when I want to check out Looking Glass Rock or Middle Prong Wilderness I simply leave the bike at home. That isn't very hard to do.

The other reason I believe certain trails are closed to bikes is because they are too steep to be sustainable to bikes. These would be those remote stretches of black on the map that see little use. Bikes can cause erosion so these trails have been closed to them. I would love to ride my bike on several of these but am willing to play by the rules so as to not jeopardize having the rest of Pisgah being closed to bikes. We have a very good thing going here and should try our best to keep it going.

These guys are idiots. Plain and simple. Their actions did nothing more than put the trails at risk for all of us. They could easily have encountered some of the hiking or hunting lobby on their way down and complaints would have been made and those complaints would have been listened to. There are plenty of trails in Pisgah to choose from. No need to shuttle poach popular hiking trails.

JackFromNC · 12-08-2008

No doubt, those guys suck and your actions may very well deter them and their friends from further poaches.

cruso414 · 12-08-2008

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Originally Posted by driftwood

I enjoy exploring all of Pisgah but aren't limited to a bike so when I want to check out Looking Glass Rock or Middle Prong Wilderness I simply leave the bike at home. That isn't very hard to do.

We are doing a loop from my house up 215 to flat laurel, Ivester gap and down Middle prong wilderness back to my house. Anyone up for it? We may even see who can ride out onto the nose of shining rock.

Just had to get one more jab in there.

M-U-M · 12-08-2008

"two post-menopausal hormones" - besides age...

Bike: Ride it or walk it.

My pseudo shuttle experience is from a very long time ago and involved avoiding as much pavement as possible.

Hike: Walk it.

Verbal spanking was a lot more colorful then.

"I would love to ride my bike on several of these but am willing to play by the rules so as to not jeopardize having the rest of Pisgah being closed to bikes. We have a very good thing going here and should try our best to keep it going."

Gatorback · 12-09-2008

You guys should look at starting a bike patrol through PAS/IMBA. We've got a big patrol on my home trails, and I'm a patroller, and we all typically ride with our Bike Patrol patches on our camelbacks. Some guys wear jerseys, but I'm not into that.

Our problem is not people poaching on hiking only trails, but instead kids/teenagers riding without helmets (it's illegal in Florida in addition to just plain stupid), guys riding in a free ride area without helmets (where everyone has to wear a helmet to ride because there are huge jumps and drops), people cutting the lock to a gate into the free ride area so they don't have to park at the trailhead and ride their bike 2 miles to get there (now that is lame), and sometimes a jackass taking a motorized vehicle on the greenway where our trails are located.

Believe it or not, the peer pressure really does help. People have learned we are out there in force and most learn to obey the rules. The biggest impact is probably in getting kids to wear helmets. We always have a few hard headed numbskulls who still want to thwart the rules, but they know when they are busted and can't look you in the eye when you go up to them and say "hey, you need a helmet to be riding here." The others who are out there without helmets are typically newbies and realize quickly that it ain't cool to be out there without a helmet.

Our only enforcement authority is to call one of the rangers or a local sheriff's deputy assigned to helping with problems, but I've never had to resort to that. (I am still waiting on my IMBA issue handgun, and keep asking, but the head of the bike patrol keeps rebuffing my requests).

Pisgah would be a much, much tougher place to police. We've got about 70 miles of trails where I typically ride, and most of the traffic (and problems) are limited to a smaller area. But if you did have a bike patrol and the routine poachers knew about it then it would probably help.

Broussard · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by highdelll

op...
really?? don't come to cali w/ that 'tude-

Oh, don't worry.

obieone · 12-09-2008

The trail in question is clearly stated on the ride blog, it was Pilot Mountain. I can not imagine riding that trail, it is scary enough to simply be walking on. The big question is do they really make a tire that is 3.5 inches wide? Is it only available in SC???

Broussard · 12-09-2008

I think I figured out why you are so angry -

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Gatorback

You guys should look at starting a bike patrol through PAS/IMBA. We've got a big patrol on my home trails, and I'm a patroller, and we all typically ride with our Bike Patrol patches on our camelbacks. Some guys wear jerseys, but I'm not into that.

This is just what we need. HALL MONITORS!

chickenlegs · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by cruso414

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2...bryant-of.html

Gotcha, I live in Atlanta and remember the headlines. Didn't realize it was at Pink Beds. Didn't they conclude that the killer was the same guy who killed the young woman hiker in North Georgia on New Year's Day?

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by chickenlegs

Gotcha, I live in Atlanta and remember the headlines. Didn't realize it was at Pink Beds. Didn't they conclude that the killer was the same guy who killed the young woman hiker in North Georgia on New Year's Day?

he decapitated the girl in georgia when she didn't die as planned. I wonder how mouthy the OP would be with his head removed? I know he thinks he doesn't have anything to worry about, but neither did most dead people. I was just suggesting that he be careful on how far he takes things in a remote area, because you can't just call someone to save your a$$ when you have had enough.

pisgahproductions · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by cruso414

I wonder how mouthy the OP would be with his head removed?

You sir, are a ****ing jackass.

FeloniousDunk · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by cruso414

he decapitated the girl in georgia when she didn't die as planned. I wonder how mouthy the OP would be with his head removed? I know he thinks he doesn't have anything to worry about, but neither did most dead people. I was just suggesting that he be careful on how far he takes things in a remote area, because you can't just call someone to save your a$$ when you have had enough.

I don't know where you're coming from, but having read all this, it can easily be concluded that you are making some serious threats to someones life with statements like this and your previous one.

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by pisgahproductions

You sir, are a ****ing jackass.

did the guy who killed the couple @ pink beds not decapitate the girl he killed on a hiking trail in georgia? The point I was making (which you obviously missed while defending your compadre) is that he needs to make damn sure he knows what he is doing before shooting his mouth off to the wrong person. I was not making it personal, but if you would like to, I am all for laying it all out there. I could have pointed out that the OP saying that "those" people aren't welcome in pisgah is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard said about pisgah(especially from someone who isn't even from here). How would you/he like it if the people that are actually from here decided to tell him and everyone else thats not from here that they aren't welcome in pisgah either? I don't usually make it a habit of saying things on here that I wouldn't say to a person's face.

so.............

Jim311 · 12-09-2008

Count me in as one of the armor wearing "shuttlecocks."

Just because I don't always ride to the top doesn't mean I'm an irresponsible poacher. The only trail in Pisgah I've EVER poached was some odd connector between Pilot and Laurel (I think that's where it was) but only because it was poorly marked. Anyway, I wish everyone would drop the tude against the DH/FR crowd. Some of us pedal when we have to, but it is never our intention to destroy or errode trails, run over other users, or get trails shut down. That's not really in our best interest is it? Anyway, rant over.. we all ride, whats with the hate?

Maida7 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Jim311

Count me in as one of the armor wearing "shuttlecocks."

Just because I don't always ride to the top doesn't mean I'm an irresponsible poacher. The only trail in Pisgah I've EVER poached was some odd connector between Pilot and Laurel (I think that's where it was) but only because it was poorly marked. Anyway, I wish everyone would drop the tude against the DH/FR crowd. Some of us pedal when we have to, but it is never our intention to destroy or errode trails, run over other users, or get trails shut down. That's not really in our best interest is it? Anyway, rant over.. we all ride, whats with the hate?

I don't think the rant is against shuttling in general. As the OP has already said "my issue is not with shuttling".

If you enjoy shuttling then have at it. Just don't poach. I've got no tude or hate for the DH/FR crowd. Just don't poach and that goes for the XC geeks too. This is not an XC vs DH thing. It's a poaching is not cool thing. It's the same as when I caught 3 horse riders poaching black mtn trail a few weeks ago. It doesn't matter if they ride western or English saddles. The point is they are *******s for poaching!

As for the whole throat cutting issue. Reality is what happened. Reality is that nobody cut anybodies throat. Everybody is getting all excited about something that did not even happen. Driftwood knows these guys could have reacted in all sorts of ways when he was yelling at them. Driftwood is an adult and he is responsible for the outcome of his actions. But nothing happened so lets move on.

FeloniousDunk · 12-09-2008

Here here Mr. Maida You nailed it

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by FeloniousDunk

I don't know where you're coming from, but having read all this, it can easily be concluded that you are making some serious threats to someones life with statements like this and your previous one.

shoulda been feloniousdrunk

FeloniousDunk · 12-09-2008

Cruso,

I probably don't know you, and neither do nearly all the others who have read this. With that in mind, I was just stating that by you saying the fallowing:

"you might wind up duct taped to a tree with a vietnam bowtie."

and

"I know he thinks he doesn't have anything to worry about, but neither did most dead people. I was just suggesting that he be careful on how far he takes things in a remote area, because you can't just call someone to save your a$$ when you have had enough."

it can very easily from many stand points, including a law enforcement one, sound like you are make threats to some one. You may not read it that way, but to many of the readers, most of whom don't know you, it can be read that way.

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by FeloniousDunk

Cruso,

I probably don't know you, and neither do nearly all the others who have read this. With that in mind, I was just stating that by you saying the fallowing:

"you might wind up duct taped to a tree with a vietnam bowtie."

and

"I know he thinks he doesn't have anything to worry about, but neither did most dead people. I was just suggesting that he be careful on how far he takes things in a remote area, because you can't just call someone to save your a$$ when you have had enough."

it can very easily from many stand points, including a law enforcement one, sound like you are make threats to some one. You may not read it that way, but to many of the readers, most of whom don't know you, it can be read that way.

seeing how you haven't been riding all that long, you might want to stick with bent creek, you might feel threatened otherwise. I have been riding in pisgah longer than you have been riding mountain bikes period.

I wasn't threatening anyone, I live in the real world and deal with real people that if you run your mouth off to the wrong people, you might wind up in over your head. I am sorry that you got your panties(and I mean that literally) in a wad. As I stated in the other post, I don't make it a habit of saying anything on here that I wouldn't say in person.

extrmtao · 12-09-2008

This thread kics @$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep the H8 ALIVE PEOPLE.

Sweet, I love mispelling words in a four word sentence.

FeloniousDunk · 12-09-2008

Cruso,

Just like I don't know you, you don't know me. But it's good of you to care enough to read my "stats" here on mtbr.

BTW, the real world I live in doesn't result in slit throats and decapitated heads by telling someone you don't like what they are doing. I'm sorry that's where you live.

Love ya!

pisgahproductions · 12-09-2008

post removed.

'I think it would be a better idea for you to inform them of what they were doing as wrong and possibly make a report to the ranger station.'

I agree

Broussard · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by cruso414

I don't make it a habit of saying anything on here that I wouldn't say in person.

It sounds like you are the kind of guy who will let someone know about it
if you think they are doing something stupid. You're certainly letting
driftwood know you think HE did something stupid.

What if he gets mad at you now and cuts your head off?

Now, nobody is making any threats here, but we all live in the real world
and need to be careful.

ZB

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by FeloniousDunk

Cruso,

Just like I don't know you, you don't know me. But it's good of you to care enough to read my "stats" here on mtbr.

BTW, the real world I live in doesn't result in slit throats and decapitated heads by telling someone you don't like what they are doing. I'm sorry that's where you live.

Love ya!

the point that I was making is that when are out in the middle of nowhere shooting your mouth off to the wrong person can lead to unintended consequences. Everyone isn't as non-violent and full of love as we are here on this board.

Also Eric, I wasn't comparing the shuttle-dudes to a serial killer, I was making the point that driftwood had better be glad that the shuttle-dudes weren't serial killers when lambasting them the way he did. I can see letting them know that they were on the wrong trail but if he kept on the way he said he did, he was asking for trouble. BTW, you can say anything to me in the woods that can say to me in a bar.

Gatorback · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by cruso414

This is just what we need. HALL MONITORS!

If you are suggesting that promoting responsible use of trails is tantamount to Hall Monitors, well you and I just don't see eye to eye. I am all for sticking it to the man in many circumstances, thank you Jack Black, but responsible use of our trails is something I happen to believe is a worthy purpose. You can exercise whatever personal freedoms you want that don't harm others. But if bikers start routinely poaching trails then sooner or later it is going to spoil the party for all of us. In case you haven't heard, there are some people and groups who don't exactly care to share any trails with mountain bikers. We might want to be good neighbors.

driftwood · 12-09-2008

Dude, don't worry about me. I've been around long enough to know that you don't run your mouth to the wrong people. These were little spoiled brats who wanted away from me and my dog asap... thanks for the lecture though...

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Broussard

It sounds like you are the kind of guy who will let someone know about it
if you think they are doing something stupid. You're certainly letting
driftwood know you think HE did something stupid.

What if he gets mad at you now and cuts your head off?

Now, nobody is making any threats here, but we all live in the real world
and need to be careful.

ZB

there is this guy on here that feels "threatened" really easy. ~just sayin~

ralph3 · 12-09-2008

Just booby trap all poachers!

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by FeloniousDunk

the real world I live in doesn't result in slit throats and decapitated heads by telling someone you don't like what they are doing. I'm sorry that's where you live.

Love ya!

does the booby trap guy live in your world?

Broussard · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by cruso414

there is this guy on here that feels "threatened" really easy. ~just sayin~

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm just saying it seems odd to me that you are
making such an effort to say "Hey man be careful what you say" that you are violating
your own advice. You're engaging in an "altercation". Granted, it is via the internet, but
you have assured us that you'd say the same things in person, and I'll take you at your
word. Your saying driftwood should keep his mouth shut so as not to offend anyone,
but you are on here calling people ignorant and drunks.

ETA:
Of course, I personally AM a drunk.

Right now, in fact.

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Broussard

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I'm just saying it seems odd to me that you are
making such an effort to say "Hey man be careful what you say" that you are violating
your own advice. You're engaging in an "altercation". Granted, it is via the internet, but
you have assured us that you'd say the same things in person, and I'll take you at your
word. Your saying driftwood should keep his mouth shut so as not to offend anyone,
but you are on here calling people ignorant and drunks.

I was saying he must be drunk to think that I was threatening driftwood because I pointed out what had happened to other people who were alone in the woods. I am not sure who I called ignorant but I suppose you mean driftwood. I don't think driftwood is ignorant, I just would hate to see him get hurt by some loser, i.e. the boobytrapper.

cruso414 · 12-09-2008

pull over to the side of the trail, we have you surrounded. I am taking your name and marking it on my list. This is your last warning!

btw, those trek Y bikes were so saaaweeet.

jorgemonkey · 12-09-2008

So how did this thread go from angry hiker to shuttlecocks to serial killers and back?

JackFromNC · 12-10-2008

I hate it when I'm poaching a trail and a damned hiker starts mouthing off. Somebody should teach them a lesson.

(that's a joke by the way)

chas_martel · 12-10-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Broussard

but
you have assured us that you'd say the same things in person, and I'll take you at your
word.

BS! He did no such thing.