Great Divide Race

pbasinger · 09-22-2006

I know it's a ways off, but is anyone thinking about it?

http://www.greatdividerace.com/

Beolin · 09-22-2006

That looks epic, I've read about doing the great divide, I'll have to add it to my list of things to do, right after an Ironman.

Saint John · 09-22-2006

I'm in this year (07). Got the time off work in advance. Looking forward to an amazing challenge.

Krein · 09-22-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbasinger

I know it's a ways off, but is anyone thinking about it?

Not really...

Thinking about these?

AZT - http://www.topofusion.com/azt/race.php
CT - http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=220121
GLR - http://greatdividerace.com/_wsn/page4.html
GET - http://www.simblissity.net/grand_enchantment.shtml

Yep.

jonassterling · 09-22-2006

I'm always thinking about the GDR, just for 2008 not 2007. I'm hoping to have things together enough to attempt it in 08, as the very imminent arrival of offspring #2 makes 07 a no go.

Adam · 09-22-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbasinger

I know it's a ways off, but is anyone thinking about it?

http://www.greatdividerace.com/

Always "thinking", its the actual execution that buggers me up.

Adam

MarkoInTheBoat · 09-23-2006

I wont be racing the GDR in '07 but I am putting my money on Jay Petervery to lead the pack to Antelope Wells.

SlowerThenSnot · 09-23-2006

I still have the fixie carrot hanging out there for me.... I'm shooting for 25-30 days and I won't be napping on the side of any MT roads

I am also thinking about riding the canada prolog as well....

Gonna ride it a little bit lighter this year as well try and get the gear down to 10-15lbs

Thinking about taking a lock this time

the_dude · 09-25-2006

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Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot

Thinking about taking a lock this time

just nap naked with a gun in your hand. i know i wouldn't steal a bike from a guy like that.

Jay P · 09-28-2006

I've been thinking about it none stop, day in day out. Marco, thanks for the encouragement, I will be thinking of you as I go through Steamboat. So yes, I've been thinking and am committed. It's been a fun year planning as it will not stop until we start rolling away on June 17. Peter, I would love to chat more if interested, as you are a veteren to the race.
Jay

pbasinger · 09-29-2006

Jay, I’m the same way. A little obsessed I guess. I’m always thinking about this thing. Use this forum for any questions/discussion about the race. Lots of veterans on here that can chime in.
Spread the word too. The more competition the better.
Anyone that is interested, but a little unsure if this is for them, check out the “A day in the life” section on the website to get an idea what the GDR is like.

mathewsen · 09-30-2006

Pete, it's easy to comprehend (for those of us that have followed the race) why you are still affected by the GDR. I hope you're at the start, and maybe the prologue this year.

It's also understandable that interest remains moderate for this biggie. I am coming to the opinion that this race ought be run every other year to build more hype.

To participate, or even to prepare can be infatuating. Yeah, the route might not be singletrack but the net adventure of race-touring 7+ days straight will teach you things you never knew about yourself.

GDR (or at least GDMBR) =rite of passage

willapajames · 09-30-2006

I'm not planning on racing it, but I do intend on riding the route soon...lightly loaded. I've never done any endurance racing, but I have done some long distance backpacking. I hiked the entire Appalachian Trail the summer after I graduated highschool. I got a little carried away with trying to pass people ahead of me, and in the process, lost a bit of the enjoyment. Still 4 months in the woods was a great time. If I get to do the Great Divide Route, I wouldn't want to spoil the trip (for me) by racing it. Maybe I'll see you all out there though...

mathewsen · 09-30-2006

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Originally Posted by willapajames

I got a little carried away with trying to pass people ahead of me, and in the process, lost a bit of the enjoyment. Still 4 months in the woods was a great time. If I get to do the Great Divide Route, I wouldn't want to spoil the trip (for me) by racing it...

if it were not for the adoption of high-speed travel on long distance routes such as the great divide mtb route many of us would not get the chance to experience big trails end-to-end at one fell swoop. even a month off is pushing it for most normal jobs. this sense of accomplishment or "closure" is a big part of what attracts people to endurance bike racing. it offers us accelerated intake different than foot travel. there is magic, wonder in the macro too, especially w/rspt to great continental divide geography.

it is the onus of the racer to focus on the beauty, serenity, indigenous culture/flora/fauna even as she/he suffer through the pain of maximum exertion. i might even suggest beauty is magnified when emotions run high from suffering through pain. if one can't race and see both the forest AND the trees then they're missing one of the bigger points of backcountry endurance mountain bike racing. i guess that's part of why endurance sports are not for everyone.

SlowerThenSnot · 09-30-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewsen

if it were not for the adoption of high-speed travel on long distance routes such as the great divide mtb route many of us would not get the chance to experience big trails end-to-end at one fell swoop. even a month off is pushing it for most normal jobs. this sense of accomplishment or "closure" is a big part of what attracts people to endurance bike racing. it offers us accelerated intake different than foot travel. there is magic, wonder in the macro too, especially w/rspt to great continental divide geography.

it is the onus of the racer to focus on the beauty, serenity, indigenous culture/flora/fauna even as she/he suffer through the pain of maximum exertion. i might even suggest beauty is magnified when emotions run high from suffering through pain. if one can't race and see both the forest AND the trees then they're missing one of the bigger points of backcountry endurance mountain bike racing. i guess that's part of why endurance sports are not for everyone.

Golly that is really well put! Matt

Saint John · 10-02-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewsen

Pete, it's easy to comprehend (for those of us that have followed the race) why you are still affected by the GDR. I hope you're at the start, and maybe the prologue this year.

It's also understandable that interest remains moderate for this biggie. I am coming to the opinion that this race ought be run every other year to build more hype.

To participate, or even to prepare can be infatuating. Yeah, the route might not be singletrack but the net adventure of race-touring 7+ days straight will teach you things you never knew about yourself.

GDR (or at least GDMBR) =rite of passage

I think you need to keep in mind riders who have been planning on doing it this upcoming year.....whether they've planned ahead one year (me for instance) or five years for that matter. I, for one, would be pretty disappointed.

I really don't think this race is about hype. The kind of people who are ready to compete in a no fee, no registration, unsanctioned event aren't about hype. The spirit of this race in its current form is part of the attraction to many I'd think.

Just my $0.02.

pbasinger · 10-02-2006

I think Matt would agree with you that the GDR is definitely not about hype, I'm of the same opinion but that doesn’t mean that hype is necessarily a bad thing. I think discussion and ideas on how to get this race a little more attention is always good. Either way, there will be a GDR this year.

jav1231 · 10-03-2006

I'm looking forward to seeing you back in Pete. I'm stoked too about the race. Won't be riding, of course, but covering it on the show. I hope to improve on the coverage but response to this past year was good and encouraging. Scott Hodge is planning to ride it so there's a good chance that I'll be there for the start.

mathewsen · 10-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted bypbasinger
I think Matt would agree with you that the GDR is definitely not about hype, I'm of the same opinion but that doesn’t mean that hype is necessarily a bad thing. I think discussion and ideas on how to get this race a little more attention is always good. Either way, there will be a GDR this year.

ok, so hype could be better substituted by a word like momentum, impetus or anticipation, even, which builds momentum.

for instance, the olympics are not held every four years simply for increased hype. to go to the olympics is epic on the scale of the divide race and people train their whole life for that opportunity. an every other year GDR would be in that spirit of rarity. if this was phased in for the GDR it would certainly be planned 2+ years in advance.

how many kids make a race? if the fields from the last three years of the GDR were combined into one event then we'd have a real, full-on race field...with inner-hype, let's say. it'd be a race likely to have more lead changes, more drama, more pressure on the racers and so on. these are the ingredients the GDR might need to see its competitors' physical/psychological limits elevated to the next plane (if that's a goal). where one fellow/fella might have difficulty self-motivating yet shines chasing carrots, some might be good racing alone yet melt under the pressure of riders over-the-shoulder. all are "thrill of victory/agony of defeat" elements that attract us to competition. it's what GDR cyber-spectators like to read about. is it what gdr racers seek?

the first speed-effort on this great route may have been Stamstad's ITT, but it can be argued the best way to common-bond a field and really compare elapsed times (if the grail is "the record") is to emphasize the race against each other. an every-other-year format would condense fields/promote this dynamic. despite what some believe, its hard to make wholesale comparisons from one year's efforts to the next. and with 50% (or higher) attrition rates in the GDR, the race needs 20 starters to compare the times of 10 finishers. so far it's been demonstrated that it takes two years (or more) to accrue the interest of 20 competitors.

that said on GDR fields, many might disagree that what they're looking for is the solo experience on this route. that's also very special. one can find that any time on the divide route. its really up to the individual. As talent and speed are attracted to the event, race route enjoyment might be inversely proportional for some. the GDR is a race, though, and last i checked a race is a contest. contests are held between two or more people, usually for a prize (in ancient history it was for a woman, turf or food). does the GDR have a prize? an entry fee? you betcha. they're paid/awarded in varying currencies. the urgency is to make sure each contestant doesn't sacrifice their verve for the bike as entry fee or expect high glory as a prize. racers might, however, pick up a hot cowgirl (or boy) along the way if they "work it" right.

Saint John · 10-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewsen

that said on GDR fields, many might disagree that what they're looking for is the solo experience on this route. that's also very special. one can find that any time on the divide route. its really up to the individual. GDR is a race and last i checked a race is a contest. contests are typically held between two or more people...usually for a prize (in ancient history it was for a woman, or turf or food). does the GDR have a prize? an entry fee? you betcha. Those fees are paid in multiple currencies. the urgency is to make sure each contestant doesn't give away their verve for the bike as entry fee or expect high glory for their prize...you might pick up a woman, though, if you work it right along the way.

Well said and all good points. My bet is that this race will start to build in notoriety this year. It has certainly entered circles of discussion where I haven't seen it before.

Matt, thanks again for your advice through email. Really appreciated.

Matt (Durango)

the pup · 10-04-2006

I'm looking forward to riding this race, (I meant to say it that way) in 2007. I really enjoyed following this years race online, and it really put the hook in me. I have a heap of questions for those that have raced previously and willing to share their experiences...

SlowerThenSnot · 10-05-2006

any way i can...

My best advice start riding lots and do overnighters see what you can live without and get your gear as light as poss...

geek out on light wight backpacking sites...

ride ride and ride some more =)

bombsquad · 10-11-2006

trying to get gear together for next years assult. right now i'm wondering what tires and racks people were using for the race as I just switched to 29 I need new gear

29Colossus · 10-11-2006

An old and crusty man once spoke to me in a store while I was biking through the middle of Montana. He just shook his head at me.

"...This time a year the bears sure are out there. This is about the time they go into a type of psy-cho-sis... they just eat everything. They hunt by scent for miles. They don't even look at what they are eating... all crazy like they are sick.... nope... not a good time to be biking with them up here..."

I have had my dealings with some pretty big Canadian grizzly bears, and they can do nothing but make you wish you were on another planet, but that old guy really drove the fear into me on that occasion.

Fear is a strange entity in the woods of Montana, by yourself, on your bike in the middle of September.

pbasinger · 10-11-2006

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Originally Posted by bombsquad

trying to get gear together for next years assult. right now i'm wondering what tires and racks people were using for the race as I just switched to 29 I need new gear

You don’t need a tread that is very knobby.
I’d go with a higher volume type tire like a 2.0. Skinnier will just beat you up over time.
There are a bunch of choices out there like this. I haven’t decided what I’ll use yet.

Hopefully you’ll be going really fast, so you won’t have much gear to carry on the rack.
If your frame will accept it, I’d try to go with one that bolts to the frame stays over a seat post style.
Check out Old Man Mountain Rack.

pbasinger · 10-11-2006

Yep, lots of bears in Montana.
In 2004, I saw 3bears in the first 24 hours. Thats more than I'd seen in Alaska in my first 10 years.

***francois*** · 10-12-2006

Just fyi, in 2004 mtbr covered the race live with the help of the racers and voicemail. Here's the coverage for reference:
http://mtbr.com/gdr/

francois

pbasinger · 10-12-2006

Thanks Francois.

That’s a good reference.

pbasinger · 10-12-2006

04 and tire questions made me think of this.
Right after sunrise on the final day for us in NM. About 70 miles from the finish.

mathewsen · 10-12-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbasinger

04 and tire questions made me think of this.
Right after sunrise on the final day for us in NM. About 70 miles from the finish.

i try not to even think about what is pictured above, but last year i had very good luck on WTB DNA rubber. its the diggity. Nano being their fastest. salsa tubes did nicely. i agree with pete's assessment on volume. GDR destroys hands.

WTB have a new rim out now (safety seal or something) that has a virtual tubeless clinch. it instills more confidence in a tubeless conversion now. even with kevlar beads.

If you run tubes, forget about trying 26" types on 29. there is so much vibration on tires over time you can even wear rim tape chafe leaks into a tube by the end. thicker is tricker.

also, narrower cross style rims are good enough to go for the divide route. there's very little edging out there. you'll be craving a good edge by NM. go for a tire with a continuous center rail if you can find a good one.

***francois*** · 10-12-2006

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

i agree with pete's assessment on volume. GDR destroys hands.

Anybody try these Ergon grips yet? I've only used mine for two rides and I think I like it. I'm thinking the real benefits will be on long rides since it really distributes the hand pressure throughout the palms.

Also, the Ergon backpacks seem cool. The load is put on your waist. And there's a pivotball on the top mount. The load seems to stay centered on your back as your shoulders move around. I haven't tried this product yet.

Someone needs to get sponsored by Ergon. It seems like a great fit. The folks at Germany are really awesome. Over here, Steve Boehmke is the PR guy.

francois

***francois*** · 10-12-2006

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Originally Posted by pbasinger

Thanks Francois.

That’s a good reference.

Right on man. I remember you and the gang as I as typed out what y'all left on my voicemail.

Where's Jan Kopka... the beermeister?

francois

pbasinger · 10-12-2006

Ahh.. Jan
The only person I've seen fill a Camelback with beer for a race.

This is Jan and Steve stopping in Ovando... for a beer.

jav1231 · 10-12-2006

Would that be Jan "How Do You Ride So Good And Not Drink Beer" Kopka!? That line killed me!

KERKOVEJ · 10-13-2006

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Originally Posted by francois

Anybody try these Ergon grips yet? I

Yep! I love them, and will have a hard time going back to a traditional grip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by francois

the Ergon backpacks seem cool. The load is put on your waist. And there's a pivotball on the top mount. The load seems to stay centered on your back as your shoulders move around. I haven't tried this product yet.

Not available yet. Some refining to do yet. Availble soon though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by francois

Someone needs to get sponsored by Ergon. It seems like a great fit. The folks at Germany are really awesome.

Hang'n with the guys at Ergon next week. Big things are in store for 2007!

jav1231 · 10-13-2006

I switched to Ergons when I got the new ride. Really helped with some tendonitis pain I'd been having in my left thumb. I still have some pain but its been reduced drastically. I noticed at Interbike they have a lot of new styles coming. Smaller pads, integrated barends as above, new hydration pack looks cool, and flexing seatpost.

Krein · 10-13-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbasinger

04 and tire questions made me think of this.
Right after sunrise on the final day for us in NM. About 70 miles from the finish.

Pete, that picture is absolutely priceless.

To think, he doesn't look frantic, nervous, or worried at all...!!

I better watch it or he's going to pull out pics of me flatting on the way to the Grand Loop this year.

Krein · 10-13-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewsen

an every other year GDR would be in that spirit of rarity. if this was phased in for the GDR it would certainly be planned 2+ years in advance.

Not a bad idea. Gives those of us who are too wimpy to give it a full effort a (legitimate) excuse to not consider riding it for a year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewsen

how many kids make a race? if the fields from the last three years of the GDR were combined into one event then we'd have a real, full-on race field...with inner-hype, let's say. it'd be a race likely to have more lead changes, more drama, more pressure on the racers and so on. these are the ingredients the GDR might need to see its competitors' physical/psychological limits elevated to the next plane (if that's a goal). where one fellow/fella might have difficulty self-motivating yet shines chasing carrots, some might be good racing alone yet melt under the pressure of riders over-the-shoulder. all are "thrill of victory/agony of defeat" elements that attract us to competition. it's what GDR cyber-spectators like to read about. is it what gdr racers seek?

Can't speak for what GDR racers seek, but I agree with your comments that it is a race, and that having more people participate is not a bad thing. Camera crews/media are different than other racers that are in the same boat you're in.

I would love to follow (and maybe, if I become temporarily insane, participate) in a race with a ~large, experienced field.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewsen

the first speed-effort on this great route may have been Stamstad's ITT, but it can be argued the best way to common-bond a field and really compare elapsed times (if the grail is "the record") is to emphasize the race against each other. an every-other-year format would condense fields/promote this dynamic. despite what some believe, its hard to make wholesale comparisons from one year's efforts to the next. and with 50% (or higher) attrition rates in the GDR, the race needs 20 starters to compare the times of 10 finishers. so far it's been demonstrated that it takes two years (or more) to accrue the interest of 20 competitors.

Yep, since years are so hard/pointless to compare, it would be great to see larger fields and have winning a particular year be more meaningful (no slight to your previous accomplishments intended).

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewsen

that said on GDR fields, many might disagree that what they're looking for is the solo experience on this route. that's also very special. one can find that any time on the divide route. its really up to the individual. As talent and speed are attracted to the event, race route enjoyment might be inversely proportional for some. the GDR is a race, though, and last i checked a race is a contest. contests are held between two or more people, usually for a prize (in ancient history it was for a woman, turf or food). does the GDR have a prize? an entry fee? you betcha. they're paid/awarded in varying currencies. the urgency is to make sure each contestant doesn't sacrifice their verve for the bike as entry fee or expect high glory as a prize. racers might, however, pick up a hot cowgirl (or boy) along the way if they "work it" right.

I got lost in the concept of winning women and picking up hot cowgirls (?!), but I agree completely: solo is always there for those that want it. I mostly responded due to previous email exchanges we've had where I've argued about the solo experience and such. Not sure if what you wrote is directed at me, but my comments were mostly aimed at media coverage and how it might change the experience of the GDR racer. I don't think it's a deal killer, but it is important to recognize that it does change things, that's all.

pbasinger · 10-23-2006

This Marathon XR could be the ticket. Pretty heavy though, but I'd take the added weight over stopping for flats all the time.

Scott and Matt,
what have you guys used?
I love the Nano Raptor, but seemed like I was patching tears in the thing everyday the last GDR.

SlowerThenSnot · 10-23-2006

June 15 at about 11:30am in port roos.....

jav1231 · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot

June 15 at about 11:30am in port roos.....

I seriously hope to be there for the start, if so I'm down!

mathewsen · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot

Who's gonna have a beer with me June 15 at about 11:30am in port roos.....

two years ago, rolling in from the canadian prologue a start-line Bud was just what the doctor prescribed but pete basinger was the only one willing to share one with me. folks are surprisingly gripped sometimes at the roll-out of this biggie. riders would do well to have fun the first day. it gets tough after that.

dave, if i were you, i'd much rather sip some of that really good colorado whiskey you distill up in denver, co. the prize bottle you bestowed upon me last year went a long way to making my NC friends happy.

maybe you can offer up another bottle (or two) as a prime for the first racer to make it into colorado. in `04 there were multiple primes for the GDR. this year's field should bring them back to the table.

mathewsen · 10-23-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbasinger

Scott and Matt,
what have you guys used?
I love the Nano Raptor, but seemed like I was patching tears in the thing everyday the last GDR.

i never had issues with mine, pete. start with freshies, obviously.

i like the speedy look of that marathon but honestly it looks harsh (not supple) after 6 days of river rock-laden fireroads. i say choose supple sidewalled tires with a tall profile/good volume=suspension...and focus on taking clean lines. the mental exercise will help keep you awake.

i don't know this to be true for sure but what i have heard is that the no. 1 drag coefficient on tires is not at the contact patch but is the knobbies into the wind. if true, ramped, low profile knobs (such as a larsen TT features) would seem to rule. it would also suggest that the marathon pictured above would also be good for minimizing drag.

as is true of most equipment choice for this race, things often come down to, "how much do you want to suffer in the name of affecting avg speed"?

the best rule of thumb for most is always going to be not how fast can you ride but what time you start each day.

mathewsen · 10-23-2006

While the GDR discussions play out through the year, I'll be the hated one again and bring up the 221mi Canadian Prologue to spur the debate on its inclusion in this race. As far as I know I still stand alone in my conviction about it, save one significant person.

I hung out for a bit with Divide Route ITT pioneer John Stamstad in Vegas last month and we spoke about the Canadian section. He said he would have ridden from Banff if the Alberta/BC section were complete at the time he raced in `99. He thinks evolution can be good for this event. He suggested that if race direction will see nothing of expansion then the only way to get it done is to, as a race challenger, simultaneously complete the Prologue and own the record on the conti-US section. A tall order, for sure.

I tried to pull off both last year and fell short for a list of reasons. But, is being the fastest really enough to see the race evolve? Will rewriting the conti-US record and busting out the Canadian Section in the same effort really motivate racers that follow in subsequent years to start in Banff?

I would enjoy hearing intelligible arguments against Canada's inclusion other than:
-The race is long enough already
-GDR was conceived as a border to border race.

If racers were concerned about length/difficulty, the wouldn't be lining up for the GDR.

As I see it, GDR is a race on a route called the Great Divide MTB Route. This route begins in Banff, AB and runs to Antelope Wells, NM.
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SlowerThenSnot · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

While the GDR discussions play out through the year, I'll be the hated one again and bring up the 221mi Canadian Prologue to spur the debate on its inclusion in this race. As far as I know I still stand alone in my conviction about it, save one significant person.

I hung out for a bit with Divide Route ITT pioneer John Stamstad in Vegas last month and we spoke about the Canadian section. He said he would have ridden from Banff if the Alberta/BC section were complete at the time he raced in `99. He thinks evolution can be good for this event. He suggested that if race direction will see nothing of expansion then the only way to get it done is to, as a race challenger, simultaneously complete the Prologue and own the record on the conti-US section. A tall order, for sure.

I tried to pull off both last year and fell short for a list of reasons. But, is being the fastest really enough to see the race evolve? Will rewriting the conti-US record and busting out the Canadian Section in the same effort really motivate racers that follow in subsequent years to start in Banff?

I would enjoy hearing intelligible arguments against Canada's inclusion other than:
-The race is long enough already
-GDR was conceived as a border to border race.

If racers were concerned about length/difficulty, the wouldn't be lining up for the GDR.

As I see it, GDR is a race on a route called the Great Divide MTB Route. This route begins in Banff, AB and runs to Antelope Wells, NM.
.

I am really temped to do it with the prolog I just not sure of taking a few more days off... I've got a month off and I'm shooting for an avg 100 miles a day.... with a few travel days and a few for un knowns.... However its sound like such a cool section of trail i think i'd need 3-3 1/2 days to get that section done.... However i'm still thinking about it!

Hopefully the bees don't get me this year.....

SlowerThenSnot · 10-23-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathewsen

two years ago, rolling in from the canadian prologue a start-line Bud was just what the doctor prescribed but pete basinger was the only one willing to share one with me. folks are surprisingly gripped sometimes at the roll-out of this biggie. riders would do well to have fun the first day. it gets tough after that.

dave, if i were you, i'd much rather sip some of that really good colorado whiskey you distill up in denver, co. the prize bottle you bestowed upon me last year went a long way to making my NC friends happy.

maybe you can offer up another bottle (or two) as a prime for the first racer to make it into colorado. in `04 there were multiple primes for the GDR. this year's field should bring them back to the table.

Hummm

Mabe I can figgure somthing cool to do....hummm... Not sure anybody wants to be carrying a heavy bottle of whiskey from co to nm

bombsquad · 10-24-2006

yea yea some people talk a lot. I think the canadian section of the gdr would be sweet to do. should it be included... f if I know I've never done the thing.

I'd like to do the canada section this year bf I start with all you yahoos. but if it isn't officially a part of the race I think I'd like to take my time and do it over three days. soak up some of that ol canadian atmosphere. I've never been to canada why go all the way up yonder and "race" outta there.

So yea I'm looking to get er done with this gdr event. I'd like to do the canadian section and take 3 days of it and maybe make it a more social thing prior to the start... then matt can try and "win" all the "primes" and not share with us fatties... you know I'd like to drink a 40 while pedaling through canada and try and figure out whos' livin and whos leavin.

KERKOVEJ · 10-26-2006

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Originally Posted by francois

I just got back from meeting the guys at ERGON in Koblenz, Germany. I was able to get out on a bike for about 2.5 hours. During this time i got to use the new backpack, and the new carbon seatpost. All I can say is....MIND BLOWING!!

The backpack will revolutionized the fit of a pack on a cyclist. When loaded down with weight, the back pack stays off you back to keep you cool, plus the pack does not move with the rider. The pack is always centered on your back due to a joint system. which sits high on the back.

The are is also a carbon suspension seatpost in the works, which might take away the need for short travel FS bikes. More to come later.

DBCooper · 10-30-2006

This question is for any of the GDMBR Vets: Last year Rudi Nadler mentioned the difficulties he had getting quality sleep during the race. I know that from solo back country touring that sometimes the 'bumps in the night' can get in the way of sleep. Do you think that it is easier or harder to get solid rest during the race than normal touring? Also, how much sleep are you getting each day?

SlowerThenSnot · 10-30-2006

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Originally Posted by DBCooper

This question is for any of the GDMBR Vets: Last year Rudi Nadler mentioned the difficulties he had getting quality sleep during the race. I know that from solo back country touring that sometimes the 'bumps in the night' can get in the way of sleep. Do you think that it is easier or harder to get solid rest during the race than normal touring? Also, how much sleep are you getting each day?

Spending 12 hrs on the bike a few hours for food water pee breaks... then try for 10 of sleep.... I used a fowm pad last year pob gonna go for a few more ocnces and cary a terma rest or a big aggie pad just to get some better sleep... Although take my advice with a grain of salt what works for me might not for you... Plan a four or five day trip and beat the sh*t out of your self and see what works...

Just my .02

pbasinger · 10-31-2006

Many “intelligent” arguments against adding Matt’s Canadian prologue to the race have been presented in countless emails over and over and over and over to the point where I‘m ready to puke. The bottom line is that those of us who officiated the Great Divide RACE, who have spent time and money creating a website, discussing rules, routes and promoting the race, have decided that it is from border to border. Period.

If Matt or anyone else wants to start in Canada or Prudhoe Bay for that matter I could care less, but the GDR will not change. Matt has managed convince a few folks that he is some kind of visionary or martyr or whatever with this Canada crap. I guess everyone needs some sort of cause to fight for. I respect you passion Matt, but can’t you work on freeing Tibet or something and leave the GDR alone? Just as I don’t hop on the Trans Iowa thread trying to get them to include a chunk of Minnesota in their race or send endless emails to Granny Gear attempting to alter one of their 24 hour courses, I don’t think Matt has any place to continue detracting from the GDR with this incessant campaigning to fundamentally change a race that has already been established. It was an interesting idea, I admit, I kicked it around in myself, but, sorry not interested, end of discussion.

Don’t get me wrong I have a ton of respect for you, but give it a freaking rest man. Rather than trying to get people all divided over this maybe you can re-focus your energy on helping us promote the GDR as it is and has been -Roosville to Antelope Wells.

mathewsen · 10-31-2006

Thanks for weighing in Pete. Although this discussion has been carried out privately, its good to discuss it on an open thread.

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Originally Posted by pbasinger

Many “intelligent” arguments against adding Matt’s Canadian prologue to the race have been presented

We've heard: "The race is long enough already" and "The race was conceived of as a border to border challenge".

Both angles are conservatively-based. My hope is merely to help deliver the full Great Divide Route experience to the GDR and encourage expansion of the race-effort envelope. To include the top trail section merely honors/observes, in-full, the route for which the race has borrowed its name. There's nothing visionary or martyr-ous about it. Any fool could look at the race, review the Divide Route description and wonder why the upper 220mi are not included. If John Stamstad had ridden the Canadian section we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

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Originally Posted by pbasinger

Just as I don’t hop on the Trans Iowa thread trying to get them to include a chunk of Minnesota in their race or send endless emails to Granny Gear attempting to alter one of their 24 hour courses. I don’t think Matt has any place to continue detracting from the GDR with this incessant campaigning to fundamentally change a race that has already been established.

No disrespect, but I fail to see the parallel. More than any organized endurance effort to date, Stamstad rode the Divide Route in 1999 with the intention of bequeathing it to the rest of us as an open challenge for all to test skills/limits via a fairly simple set of rules. Rules that he himself has interpreted to be much more about the style than the length. In this sense of charter, the effort was modeled as one of and for the people (to wax cliche). Race leadership may come and go. In the end my hope is that it will be the fields of racers from year-to-year that steer AND care the most about what they desire in return for their effort/sacrifices. The concept of racing the Divide Route will probably endure and likely evolve, whether in our age of racing or the next generation's. IMO, to cling too tightly to the original length/difficulty of this ITT is to impose a rule on the format that wasn't necessarily intended.

On fundamentals: to unite the top 220 mi of the route does not alter the Stamstad fundamentals on which the GDR is predicated. And to argue for Canada's inclusion is not the kind of detraction or distraction that is harmful to the race. If anything it helps keep thinking fresh, promotes review. If there is ever a chance that the GDR might evolve to include Canada, why not start keeping records now? Why not have the ability to compare contemporary efforts to the future while the race is still young?

pbasinger · 10-31-2006

Discuss it in another thread
You’re being obnoxious.

pbasinger · 10-31-2006

I think slowerthansnot has a good plan for a successful approach. Kent Peterson, who completed the GDR in good time on a ss I think got pretty regular sleep. You’d have to find his account of the race somewhere to get the details on how much exactly. I think around 22 days is very possible with a full nights rest everyday. The years I’ve attempted it, my sleep varies from less than a 1 hour to 7 continuous hours. I take many naps along the side of the road during the day when I just can’t stay awake.
The first few days I don’t get very restful sleep because like Rudi described, every little noise startles me, but after real fatigue sets in, even the lightest of sleepers could snooze with a forest fire going on around them.
For me, sleep is the biggest obstacle in the GDR. A few days into the race it is a constant struggle.

carlhutch · 10-31-2006

out of 10 pete whats the chances you will be on the start line?

mikesee · 10-31-2006

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

We've heard: "The race is long enough already" and "The race was conceived of as a border to border challenge".

Actually, Matt, you've heard a lot more reasons than that. And each of the dozen+ times they've been explained to you, you've disagreed and tried a weak verbal end-run around them, much as you've done below.

You don't have to agree. You don't have to like the race as it stands. But the race is run from Canada to Mexico, and that's how it's going to stay. Period. End of discussion.

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

Any fool could look at the race, review the Divide Route description and wonder why the upper 220mi are not included.

Yep--that's just what you keep doing.

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

No disrespect, but I fail to see the parallel. More than any organized endurance effort to date, Stamstad rode the Divide Route in 1999 with the intention of bequeathing it to the rest of us as an open challenge for all to test skills/limits via a fairly simple set of rules.

John had a certain idea in mind when he TT'ed the route in '99. I spoke with him about it just before he started, and countless times since then, both verbally and via email.

John's '99 TT inspired me. When I rekindled the idea in '01 I had John's basic charter in mind, but I also had an eye on the future. The original rules were written so that the playing field would be as level as possible from year to year and race to race. The rules have and will continue to evolve as needed. The starting/end point of the route will not.

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Race leadership may come and go.

I'm sure you're hoping so. Race leadership hasn't changed since the race's inception, nor is it likely to.

Matt, in every one of our discussions and emails about this, I've been as patient, polite, and direct as possible. Regardless, you continue on unabated. It has been suggested numerous times (often by people that know you a lot better than they know me) that my words fall on deaf ears since I write them with a courteous tone. It has also been suggested that I tell you to "Go ^%$# yourself" to help you to get the point.

None of that's necessary, since you're obviously a rational, logical human being.

Get the point, and get over it.

MC

pbasinger · 10-31-2006

10 well maybe 9 considering I haven’t figured out how to pay for it, but that’s just details.

Jay P · 10-31-2006

being thought of this comes to mind. I'm sure I will get to the start and when and if I make it to the end I have know idea how i will get back to Jackson Wy. Of course I can pedal but what seriosly are the simpleist of options?
Sleep!! I've experienced much sleep deprivation and it is a huge obstacle. You must wiegh so many things against themselves and be very stratigic about it if your trying to maximize riding time.
I am excited about the border to border race.
Jay

jimbo · 11-01-2006

I have a question. I love the long events, though I've done nothing longer yet than an mtb 100, and 175 on the road. If someone were to ride the GDMBR, reported in regularly and broke one of the records (M,F,SS), but didn't do it at the time of the race, would that count?

It seems that the idea of the GDR from the beginning, was to allow people attempting to speed ride the route the chance to do it at the same time as other people, not to limit when someone could attempt the route quickly. This is just by memory, from following the race over several years.

The other question I have is whether a record could be added to the GDR site for the entire GDMBR including Canada. Since it seems like any route can be included, why can't the record for the entire route be included? I'm not saying that the prologue should be part of the race, only that a record time could be added to the others already on the site. Many of those records were not set as part of a race anyway.

Anyway, I love reading about all these races, and living somewhat vicariously through the posts of the participants. I hope to do some myself in the future.

jimbo

29Colossus · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by jimbo

I have a question. I love the long events, though I've done nothing longer yet than an mtb 100, and 175 on the road. If someone were to ride the GDMBR, reported in regularly and broke one of the records (M,F,SS), but didn't do it at the time of the race, would that count?

It seems that the idea of the GDR from the beginning, was to allow people attempting to speed ride the route the chance to do it at the same time as other people, not to limit when someone could attempt the route quickly. This is just by memory, from following the race over several years.

The other question I have is whether a record could be added to the GDR site for the entire GDMBR including Canada. Since it seems like any route can be included, why can't the record for the entire route be included? I'm not saying that the prologue should be part of the race, only that a record time could be added to the others already on the site. Many of those records were not set as part of a race anyway.

Anyway, I love reading about all these races, and living somewhat vicariously through the posts of the participants. I hope to do some myself in the future.

jimbo

Christ on a flaming stick... you have been following the race for years, yet you can't answer those questions?

I don't get it.

jimbo · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by 29Colossus

Christ on a flaming stick... you have been following the race for years, yet you can't answer those questions?

I don't get it.

Ok, maybe I should clarify. It seems that both of those things should be the case (a record is a record, no matter when it occurs and there's no reason that there can't be an overall GDMBR record added to the GDR site), but looking at the posts on this site, those in charge seem to have pretty staunch ideas about the way things should be, and maybe my impression isn't correct.

Krein · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by pbasinger

Many “intelligent” arguments against adding Matt’s Canadian prologue to the race have been presented in countless emails over and over and over and over to the point where I‘m ready to puke. The bottom line is that those of us who officiated the Great Divide RACE, who have spent time and money creating a website, discussing rules, routes and promoting the race, have decided that it is from border to border. Period.

Well put, Pete.

I will add that I have been party to many email discussions, privately between Matt and I, or with some subset of other interested GDR parties. I raced in the second edition of the GDR ('05).

He has failed to convince me that the GDR should include Canada, despite his many attempts. I'm now sick of hearing about it and agree with Pete that Matt's ramblings and attitude towards the subject have begun to detract and distract from the race.

Let's move on already.

mathewsen · 11-01-2006

Not trying to get into a ping pong match here, but Scott, Mike and Pete have also failed to convince me that it doesn't belong in the race.

"Ramblings", to which all are entitled when it comes to forums such as these, only seem to be a distraction for those adamantly against the idea of extension. Controversy, if addressed appropriately rather than merely deemed obnoxious and squelched, is often beneficial. Who and/or what are we really dividing with this dialogue anyway? It's barely a race each year. It's certainly not chasing off competitors, sponsors or what little media coverage our endeavors garner.

In past GDR discussions, two of the three "steering committee" members above have been heard to say they regret ever having spent efforts racing this fireroad route to begin with. To me, misgivings such as these suggest that they might lack farsightedness when it comes to the future of the event.

On Jimbo's question of, "Why is a record on the overall (terminus to terminus) GDMBR not acknowledged?", The short answer is that to do so would be to recognize significance of the Canadian section. That doesn't serve the interest of the GDR/Ultra Records site...a site maintained by the existing GDR record-holder, race director and ergo, primary opponent of GDR extension. You won't see mention of an "overall" there anytime soon. But that's not the point of pushing for the extension. To have the GDR field ride from Banff, experience Canadian Rockies awe, and race the route end-to-end. That's the point.

willapajames · 11-01-2006

I've been following this discussion for a while. I've never done the race and probably never will, so I guess I'm an outsider.
I don't really see the point of adding the Canadian section. If you want to ride it, go ahead and do it as a "prologue" like you've done in the past. Why does it need to be added to the race route? Seems like a 2500-mile race is epic enough in terms of distance. There's nothing stopping anyone from riding the Canadian section before the race itself, as you've done.
To me it sounds like you're just looking for glory, since you probably hold the record over the entire GDR route.
Whatever the case, I'm tired of the bickering and I'm just a spectator...
Hope to ride the route some day, including the Canadian section, but not racing it...

mathewsen · 11-01-2006

On why: CN only adds 221 mi. and a whole lot of epic scenery, tough trail, cool Canadian attitude and legal MTB riding in designated Wilderness. Access to Banff is simple, relatively cheap, and cultural extra-curriculae abound. End-to-end is more pure w/rspt to the GDMBR. The GDR as an "international race" (just as the conti-divide is international) gives it more flair, IMO.

Almost no one in the race will ride the prologue if they're not receiving "fatigue credit" for it w/rspt to the conti-US race, esp. if what they're gunning for is the record.

I care little about the records. The records are part of why folks don't want to see it change. The first year a GDR field races the whole enchilada my time overall will surely be relegated. I have only earnestly pursued the GDR record once in my three years of participation - last year. And that was really only with Stamstad's assertion in mind that the only way to extend the race is to do both and rewrite the conti-us record. I'm out there for a love of the route and the experience. Let's call that "morning glory".

As this race grows slowly, the record will be rewritten numerous times over. To be protective of a record would be silly and shortsighted.

Krein · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

Not trying to get into a ping pong match here, but Scott, Mike and Pete have also failed to convince me that it doesn't belong in the race.

No need to. It is you that is asking to change something that is existing, therefore it's up to you to make a case for it. You failed to do that.

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

"Ramblings", to which all are entitled when it comes to forums such as these, only seem to be a distraction for those adamantly against the idea of extension. Controversy, if addressed appropriately rather than merely deemed obnoxious and squelched, is often beneficial. Who and/or what are we really dividing with this dialogue anyway? It's barely a race each year. It's certainly not chasing off competitors, sponsors or what little media coverage our endeavors garner.

See the post below. People (beyond Mike, Pete and I) are tired of the bickering, and it is divisive. They don't understand what the fuss is about. Neither do I.

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

In past GDR discussions, two of the three "steering committee" members above have been heard to say they regret ever having spent efforts racing this fireroad route to begin with.

This is false. Zero regret here.

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To me, misgivings such as these suggest that they might lack farsightedness when it comes to the future of the event.

Irrelevant.

Matt, it's Mike's race. He's told you "no." Politely, calmly, evenly, respectfully, impatiently and rudely, but "no", nonetheless.

I can't believe you don't get it.

mathewsen · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by Krein

Matt, it's Mike's race. He's told you "no." Politely, calmly, evenly, respectfully, impatiently and rudely, but "no", nonetheless.

Mike organized the race in `04 and again in `06. It was brilliant of him to in `04 invite us all to join him in acccepting Stamstad's challenge, gun for his record.

I think to say that the GDR is someone's race is to misunderstand the spirit in which the challenge was envisioned. It's the entire endurance community's race, in my opinion. And if seen in that sense, it "takes a village" to usher it onward. As a three year veteran of the GDR with two Canadian prologues under my belt I've earned citizenship in this village. Call me the village idiot if you want, but don't censor the discussion of extension. I'm qualified to lobby for it.

mikesee · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

"Ramblings", to which all are entitled when it comes to forums such as these, only seem to be a distraction for those adamantly against the idea of extension. Controversy, if addressed appropriately rather than merely deemed obnoxious and squelched, is often beneficial. Who and/or what are we really dividing with this dialogue anyway? It's barely a race each year. It's certainly not chasing off competitors, sponsors or what little media coverage our endeavors garner.

Each time I read one of your ramblings I conclude that you really like to see your words in print.

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In past GDR discussions, two of the three "steering committee" members above have been heard to say they regret ever having spent efforts racing this fireroad route to begin with. To me, misgivings such as these suggest that they might lack farsightedness when it comes to the future of the event.

There are 6 "steering committee" members. And while I will not devote the time and energy to racing the GDR ever again, that has zero effect on my ability to see the short and long term issues facing this race.

Calling my opinion a misgiving is a judgment that you have no basis nor right to make. Nor do I appreciate the constant passive/aggressive yet undeniably divisive jabs that you're taking. Find a new purpose, Matt--one that actually matters to someone other than yourself, and that benefits someone other than yourself.

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On Jimbo's question of, "Why is a record on the overall (terminus to terminus) GDMBR not acknowledged?", The short answer is that to do so would be to recognize significance of the Canadian section.

Wrong answer. Your GDMBR thru-ride hasn't been placed on the Ultra Records page because you've never submitted it. Point the finger at yourself for a change.

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That doesn't serve the interest of the GDR/Ultra Records site...a site maintained by the existing GDR record-holder, race director and ergo, primary opponent of GDR extension. You won't see mention of an "overall" there anytime soon.

And you claim you're not being divisive. Might as well claim to not be annoying too, but truthfully you're batting 1000 on both.

MC

pbasinger · 11-01-2006

Those of us with major criminal records may find it difficult if not impossible to get through the border.
Do we really want to exclude people like this?
Matt’s proposed race is elitist!

mathewsen · 11-01-2006

pete, thanks for the good laugh. that's honestly the best reason i've heard yet. good one...and a fair point to make for our colorful sport.

mathewsen · 11-01-2006

ok, so that reference to mike's conflict of interest was divisive. sorry mike. not saying it lacks veracity, tho.

donkey · 11-01-2006

Part of me wishes that Matt would take this BS off the boards and handle it via email so that this thread can get back on topic....but then again....for the sake of Mike, Scott and others whose mailboxes would then be full of this non-sense......maybe it should continue on here........what to do....what to do!

B

mikesee · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by donkey

Part of me wishes that Matt would take this BS off the boards and handle it via email so that this thread can get back on topic....but then again....for the sake of Mike, Scott and others whose mailboxxes would then be full of this non-sense......maybe it should continue on here........what to do....what to do!

B

Brian-

The reason that Matt has taken this public is because he's been told in no uncertain terms, via email and on the phone, over and over and over that Canada will not become a part of the GDR. Once he finally got it through his skull that it wasn't happening, he switched tactics and is now trying to drum up support through discussions like this.

His determination is almost as impressive as it is annoying. Too bad it's not a cause that'll benefit anyone in the end, or even along the way.

MC

mathewsen · 11-01-2006

the idea is important donkey. the discussion is obviously disintegrating. i have to go to work now so i'll be out of your collective hair. do work to get pardons for your felonies now, though.

29Colossus · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

the idea is important donkey. the discussion is obviously disintegrating. i have to go to work now so i'll be out of your collective hair. do work to get pardons for your felonies now, though.

I am actually glad it was brought up here. I don't think your "idea" is important at all. The GDR is from border to border. THAT is the race. Frankly, I don't need the "awe" of Canada. I've been there. Pleany of "awe" in the current 2500 miles. The 200 miles only makes the logistics more difficult... Canada? No thanks. Add that, and many folks will simply say, "no way".

Anyone can time trial the course at any time they want. The course is what it is though. It is border to border. If someone wants to add the Canadian part, great. Go for it. No one is stopping you. No one is stopping anyone. If enough people do it, and want it, maybe 20 years from now it will be included, but not now... not next year... not the year after that.

Who am I to say that? I am one that respects Mike's and other's desires to keep the race what the race has been... To keep building stats and finishes and DNFs based on the SAME route, year in and year out. The future is wide open, but now is not the future of the GDR. Now is the present. 2007 might be a breakout year of sorts. It is right now as it is. No reason other than emotions and asthetics would justify changing what the GDR is into what it isn't.

The race is the GDR from border to border. That is ALL the race is. I am pleased that Mike and others are sticking to their guns on that. Add the Canadian section to the event itself, and you have an entirely DIFFERENT event.

mikesee · 11-01-2006

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Originally Posted by jimbo

I have a question. I love the long events, though I've done nothing longer yet than an mtb 100, and 175 on the road. If someone were to ride the GDMBR, reported in regularly and broke one of the records (M,F,SS), but didn't do it at the time of the race, would that count?

Yep. From the front page of the GDR website:

The intent of the GDR is to establish a common date and set of rules so that those wishing to challenge the route or record may compete directly with other athletes under equal circumstances. While anyone may "time-trial" the GDMBR at any time, their effort will be recognized only if they follow the rules set out here.

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Originally Posted by jimbo

The other question I have is whether a record could be added to the GDR site for the entire GDMBR including Canada. Since it seems like any route can be included, why can't the record for the entire route be included? I'm not saying that the prologue should be part of the race, only that a record time could be added to the others already on the site. Many of those records were not set as part of a race anyway.

The record for the GDMBR could be included. All that would have to happen is the record holder would have to send me an email with the pertinent info, as laid out on the Ultra Race Records page.

Cheers,

MC

Saint John · 11-03-2006

Cooling the debate for a little while, what are your thoughts of bringing an iPod Nano on the GDR? My biggest concern is "one more thing" to bring....most especially the charger (albeit pretty small). Charging is an issue unto itself, but maybe the occassional hotel, etc? Anyone had any experience toting some tunes on the GDR?

pbasinger · 11-03-2006

I always use an MP3 player.
I recommend you get a cheapie that uses replaceable batteries, because I think it’d be a huge pain to deal with charging even under the best of circumstances. Plus, it will get pretty trashed after a few weeks on the trail.

I have a San Disc player that was like $50. There are cheaper ones out there. Get a 2 gig card or bigger and you’re all set. I'm also convinced that this is a more durable setup than the fancy Apple ones.
If you’re going to carry a digital camera, I’d try to get a setup that uses the same type of memory so its all interchangeable.

galleywench · 11-03-2006

I did a few searches and came up with little info regarding the amount and type of training some of you vets have done in preperation for the GDR. Reading about this race over the past few years has been inspirational to say the least, and the little seed planted in the back of my head seems to be growing without regard to what logic dictates.
I am interested in finding more about training regimes in the months prior to the race to see if this is something that I can truly contemplate.

pbasinger · 11-03-2006

I’m probably the last person to share their thoughts on this because Mike C and another friend of mine that has been a long time CTS customer have both told me that I do not “train” in the proper sense of the word, but because my alternative activity at the moment is writing papers for school I’m going to weigh in despite how ignorant I am on the topic of “training”.

Getting ready for the GDR or a similar multi-day event is super easy and does not take nearly the amount of time that a lot of people think. You don’t have to ride 40 hours a week or pay for some online coach in the box bs.

I see there being two parts to training for a long race. Base miles/maintaining fitness and experience.
Time on the bike for me consists of rarely more than 10 hours a weeks. Usually 2 hour rides, 5 times a week. Once a month, if I’m fortunate enough to have the time, I’ll do a longer ride 5- 8 hours. That’s it.

The experience part is a little more work to get. Either by doing endurance races like 24 hour events or just planning a ride where you’ll be on the bike for a long period of time ( 20 hours - several days) where you can get some time dealing with stomach issues, sleep issues, bike fit, camping, saddle sore and all that stuff.
Touring, if you don’t take it too leisurely is a really good way to prepare.

I think after you do a few longer events, and get to a certain level of fitness just by riding, you’ll have a pretty good idea whether or not you’re ready for a really long race.

I am curious though what sort of time other people commit to training?

Jay P · 11-03-2006

that word sounds like work. I ride and have fun alot(ski, skate, run, etc.) sometimes 10-20 hours a week depending on time of year and whats coming up. This year I thought I would just race as much as I could, fatigued or not. Maybe driving all night to race a hundred then driving home to train and work to do it all over again a week later. I had a decent season considering. 7 endurance races this summer with lots of short course races,hill climbs and several camp out rides working on the whole other part of the race, gear and logistics. There is alot that has to do with your mind and heart as well with a event of this length. After racing endurance for the past 10 years with and without programs I have learned alot that only those times would allow, mistakes and benefits, so nothing goes further then experience. You must be positive and dedicated to atempt a ride of this long, you will know if you are ready or not. Just my 2 cents..Jay

mathewsen · 11-03-2006

No CTS coach can prepare one for the suffering the GDR doles out. How racers handle it might be the best determinant of success.

Experience: Test your gear this spring, retest it, and test it again. Then do your best to cut 25% of your cargo weight. Simulation is the best way to understand what lies ahead. It will give you miles (fitness) under GDR-specific conditions and help you grasp the different nature of pain that comes from loaded race-touring. On gear, be sure to test your chosen sleeping pad while feeling the kind of full-body soreness the first week and a half of the race illicit. When you're only getting 2-3hrs/night, you don't want it to be interrupted. I've gone w/ the weight penalty of inflatable on this priority.

The GD route is not technical enough to divert one's attention from aching pain or the sounds the bike makes (creaks, rattling gear, etc.). B/c of this, i recommend tuning away the bike creaks and tightening/refining your load till its silent. In your personal life, pay your bills, make up/break up with significant others, renew spousal vows, clean the emotional slate. The race HAS to be a meditational experience. Expect to laugh, cry, wince a lot and think about pulling the plug at least once daily.

Throughout a ride on such a mental rollercoaster, music can help. Make a loooong playlist if you're going to rely heavily on it. I personally advocate a No Ipod/No GPS sans-technology philosophy. Gravel and wind music are soothing too. There's also the safety factor in Bear Country. Hear and be heard!

I would be curious to know if anyone has studied Ipods as ergogenic aids in endurance sports.

SlowerThenSnot · 11-03-2006

I ride lots porb a few hours a day even in winter... Lots and lots of base miles.... I don't really do the preak, taper stuff... I try do really kick my own butt a few times a week and go ride with those that are faster or do a fwew crazy rides in a row....

I just took a camera last year.... Porb gonna take a small radio this year casue its fun to see what you can pick up at night with the shortwave =)

I'll repeat what matt said about figguring out all the noises on your bike and gear that can drive you nuts!

Saint John · 11-04-2006

Hahaha....here's one for everyone: last night I dreamed that I was at the start of the GDR (never been there, for ther record) at I'd forgotten my bike computer and maps!! Borderline nightmare.

bombsquad · 11-04-2006

ok this may sound ridiculous... but oh well chastize me all you want for spelling and thought.

what about a solar charging system? There are enough cheap solar options out there (think solar light for the lawn at wallyworld for cheap and you get a handfull of them) that is seems it could be a possibility for Ipod/ lights. Yea I do kinda think having a ipod makes you a real rat bastard... but currently I sport a set of speakers on the h-bar that hooks to the pod and ride some lengthy off road miles... 10 bucks bought my ears some real relief from the headphones... and yea I turn that **** down when I see people... you deffinately don't see the wildlife as much but if you're urban oh well.

So if you could get a portable solar charging system that gives you a decent charge on the light and gave you music... would that be heaven or are there easy options and I just haven't even tried to figure it out... just dream of my sun powered extacsy toys....

I dream of getting away from this concrete jungle I live in.

canadians are wierd mmmkay

Ernesto · 11-05-2006

to continue to kick a dead horse. I'll will ride this route some day, though I may never race it. I'd say that if your going to add (no I'm not a proponent one way or the other) a Canadian section, there is no point starting south of Muncho Lake. That would be the great divide. anything short of that I realy don't see the point.

just my 2c.

mathewsen · 11-07-2006

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Originally Posted by Ernesto

to continue to kick a dead horse. I'll will ride this route some day, though I may never race it. I'd say that if your going to add (no I'm not a proponent one way or the other) a Canadian section, there is no point starting south of Muncho Lake. That would be the great divide. anything short of that I realy don't see the point.

just my 2c.

Whether beating a dead horse or kicking it while it's down, the debate of extension is not related to notions of following the actual North American Great Divide. It's about racing the route itself, end-to-end, as it has been created by Adventure Cycling Association.

mathewsen · 11-07-2006

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Originally Posted by bombsquad

what about a solar charging system?

Kent Peterson had something rigged up for solar charging in `05. He is very helpful with all things bikey. contact him through his blog and he can prob. offer advice.

pbasinger · 01-07-2007

Thinking about logistics for getting to the start. Anyone have any plans yet?
I usually fly there, but since I’ll be in the lower 48 this year before the start I’m contemplating driving. Maybe renting a car to drop-off in Montana if its any cheaper than flying. Anyone one want to carpool ? I’ll be coming from CO or CA not sure yet. What kind of plans do people have for getting up to the border other than riding there? Whether I drive or fly, I’ll go to Whitefish and then get a ride to the border from there.

SlowerThenSnot · 01-07-2007

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Originally Posted by pbasinger

Thinking about logistics for getting to the start. Anyone have any plans yet?
I usually fly there, but since I’ll be in the lower 48 this year before the start I’m contemplating driving. Maybe renting a car to drop-off in Montana if its any cheaper than flying. Anyone one want to carpool ? I’ll be coming from CO or CA not sure yet. What kind of plans do people have for getting up to the border other than riding there? Whether I drive or fly, I’ll go to Whitefish and then get a ride to the border from there.

I've thought about flying maybe talking a buddy into driving me up there.... I'm in colorado but i'd be down with sharing the cost of a rental. I don't drive though so couldn't trade off =)

Whatever happens I'm not gonna do greyhound again!

mathewsen · 01-07-2007

avis does one-way rentals to be relinquished at kalispell international.

i think they might be the only one-way svc. w/ a branch @ k-spell and are certainly the cheapest. trish stevenson and i pulled off a 36 hour marathon from NC in `04 and it was a simple process. their chevy cavalier is the best deal and is pretty comfortable. get the one with a/c, cd player. its worth it.

on the other end, avis has branch at el paso ~120m from A-wells. You can catch a greyhound from Deming (closest easterly town from finish on I-10) to ELP or ABQ for about 60 bones.

Jay P · 01-07-2007

Hey Peter if coming from CO stop by Jackson WY. and pick me up, I'll certainly share expenses. Still trying to give Iditabike 100% for now, talk to ya when I'm in your neck of the woods.
Jay

pbasinger · 01-08-2007

Sounds like a rental / ride share may work out. Maybe with a cheap back of the trunk bike rack or some creative strapping to the roof like they did in the old days we could get 3 people in a rental. Should get expenses way down. Then if we could co-ordinate with somebody in Whitefish or around there to drive up to the start and then drop off the rental for us we could be in business. I’ve done the Greyhound thing and I’m willing to spend some extra cash to avoid it. Checked out the prices and it doesn’t even look like that great of a deal compared to carpooling. What kind of time would it realistically take to get from CO to Kalispell? I have no concept of distances and drive times being up here.

Jay its been minus 0 and snowy up here for a while. I was up to my waist in snow on a training “ride” last night. This could be a fun year if things keep up like this.

SlowerThenSnot · 01-08-2007

From Denver to Jackson 8 hours 528 miles.....

From Jackson to kalispell 8.5 hours 516 miles....

I'd be real pumped to share the cost.... I'm scared about spend 300 on a plane ticket but thats better then a 24hr bus ride (ickypoo)

Pete thanks for throwing this out early =)

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Originally Posted by pbasinger

Sounds like a rental / ride share may work out. Maybe with a cheap back of the trunk bike rack or some creative strapping to the roof like they did in the old days we could get 3 people in a rental. Should get expenses way down. Then if we could co-ordinate with somebody in Whitefish or around there to drive up to the start and then drop off the rental for us we could be in business. I’ve done the Greyhound thing and I’m willing to spend some extra cash to avoid it. Checked out the prices and it doesn’t even look like that great of a deal compared to carpooling. What kind of time would it realistically take to get from CO to Kalispell? I have no concept of distances and drive times being up here.

Jay its been minus 0 and snowy up here for a while. I was up to my waist in snow on a training “ride” last night. This could be a fun year if things keep up like this.

pbasinger · 01-27-2007

People planning on racing should look over the rules and ask any questions they might have. These are very important. Inevitably there are always some questions and some grey areas that need further discussion.

Also, can we get a dialogue going about the route and any changes that we need to be aware of. I know Matt and Scott seem to be pretty up on all that stuff. I remember one of the racers reporting on a update last year that there was some new private land somewhere along the route. Anybody know about this?

Race Rules
The general idea is to race from Canada to Mexico, under only your own power, and to be self supported between towns. Once in a town, you can buy a meal, stock up on trail grub, even get a room for a shower and some quality sleep.

The overriding principal is simply to do it all yourself. All of the pedaling, pushing, bike wrenching, food buying (and eating...), water filtering, suffering, and all logistical figuring.

Do. It. Yourself.

The race clock starts at noon on 6/15/07, and ends for each racer when their front wheel crosses the International Border at Antelope Wells.

Prearranged outside support is not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to, assistance with navigation, delivery of supplies, lighting, or lodging.

Competitors will stock up on food and other items at stores along the route.

If you need something that you didn't bring or can't find on the route, you may have the item(s) shipped to you:
* via a commercial delivery service (UPS, Fed-Ex, DHL, Airborne, or USPS)
* to a commercial address (hotel, motel, restaurant, post office, bike shop).

This means that NO, you cannot have a friend deliver anything to you, and NO you cannot have anything shipped to a friend's house along the way. Commercial shipping, to a commercial address, period.

Competitors may only advance on the route via their own power.

If your bike breaks, you can continue to the next town on foot. Competitors may, in the case of an emergency, mechanical or other unforeseeable problems, be assisted by motorized transport (hitchhiking) in moving backward or off-route, but MAY NOT, under any circumstances, be transported forward on the route.

Once you've solved your mechanical issue, you must then rejoin the route exactly where you left it, and you must do this under your own power.

Again, you MAY NOT be transported forward on the route, even if you've already ridden that stretch.

This is a solo competition, but during the race it is likely that some racers may choose to travel together. This IS permitted.

HOWEVER, racers MAY NOT draft other racers and MUST maintain seperate gear.

The intent of these rules is to establish an equal and fair opportunity for all racers, and to eliminate any advantage gained by those who live near to or have friends/family along the route.

mikesee · 01-27-2007

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Originally Posted by pbasinger

People planning on racing should look over the rules and ask any questions they might have. These are very important. Inevitably there are always some questions and some grey areas that need further discussion.

Pete-

Thanks for bringing this up--it's a great idea for all racers to familiarize themselves with the rules before starting. We all hope that we won't need to worry about them, but scenarios arise that we can't plan or prepare for in advance, and it's then that the rules matter most.

Also worth mentioning--I just added a few paragraphs to the rules page, prompted by recent discussions among some of the GDR faithful. These be them:

One last word on the rules: The original intent of this race was to ride the GDMBR as fast as possible in the simplest/purest style possible. As time has gone on people have begun looking for loopholes within the rules that'll save them time on the course.

This is human nature and all of us do it in different ways in our everyday lives. With respect to the GDR, we ask that you please consider the long term ramifications of finding and using loopholes--the race will only get 'easier' and (conversely) require more rules/regulations as time goes on.

This goes against all of the principles that the race was founded on.

People: please don't bring The Race down to your level--elevate yourself to the level of The Race. If you find yourself looking for loopholes, consider taking another year to prepare before racing. Most likely you'll go faster and enjoy it more as a result.

Cheers,

MC

pbasinger · 01-27-2007

Well put

mathewsen · 01-27-2007

This bear story is a good one for GDR racers to take in. The Divide Route travels yards from the Wind River Range trailhead written about in the account. It's interesting that using his bike to be more imposing worked for the victim (temporarily).

http://www.jacksonholenews.com/Archi...0901-News.html

SlowerThenSnot · 01-27-2007

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Originally Posted by mathewsen

This bear story is a good one for GDR racers to take in. The Divide Route travels yards from the Wind River Range trailhead written about in the account. It's interesting that using his bike to be more imposing worked for the victim (temporarily).

http://www.jacksonholenews.com/Archi...0901-News.html

Unfortunately the lightest option for spicing up your bear attack weighs in so much

Jay P · 01-28-2007

I know these people personally and remember that day. I ride in this place in the summer w/ great respect and not alone. I ride in this place in the winter and I feel its got to be some of the best snow riding in the lower 48 and not a single bear. Ahhh. Ride safe smart and how ever else makes you most comfy carrying a whistle in these areas flying at speed blowing it is how I get by.