Badger Cycles Dorothy

[benwitt11]

The prototype will be featured at booth 3631, (Anvil Bikeworks,) at Interbike. More info to follow. See you in Vegas!

Cheers,

Ben

[ofg3216]

tease.. a friend of mine is building one, i'm a bit jealous...

[Guitar Ted]

Awesome fillets and that's a great color. Can't wait to see the full monty.

Pink I-9's would be so sweet on that!

[N8!]

..need more photoz!

[DeeZee]

Great....Just when I was starting to love my Niner SIR

[benwitt11]

Here you go, a little more.

[teamdicky]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

Pink I-9's would be so sweet on that!

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What kind of tooty fruit would put Pink I9's on their bi....
Oh.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by teamdicky

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What kind of tooty fruit would put Pink I9's on their bi....
Oh.

The same guy that drives a Miata and shaves his legs

[teamdicky]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

The same guy that drives a Miata and shaves his legs

Guess I better go car shopping.

[NooNoo]

I would DEFINITELY ride that bike with pink wheels. You can call me what you want. That would be supreme blingness. I can't wait for it to get up to Minnesota

Somebody tell Industry-Nine to add pink as a color.
By the way, their wheels don't go out of true, even when I knock a spoke completely loose.

[teamdicky]

Originally Posted by NooNoo

Somebody tell Industry-Nine to add pink as a color.

Already there my fine fellow pink lover:

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by teamdicky

Already there my fine fellow pink lover:

Those look like they are Mauve in color

[teamdicky]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

Those look like they are Mauve in color

How bout this:

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by teamdicky

How bout this:

Ok I was thinking more of a Hot Pink. My apologies I am not a Pink connoisseur

[rattmobbins]

Wowzers that's a smooooooooooooooooooth ass frame!!!

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

Those look like they are Mauve in color

All "real men" know that mauve is not a color! C'mon!

[one1spede]

Sweet frame. Personally, I think Silver would look very hot. Nice and clean, let the frame show it's stuff.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

All "real men" know that mauve is not a color! C'mon!

Also know Magenta

[mud'n'sweat]

sex, pure sex.

[lanpope]

I wanna see a pic of the new Dorothy headbadge. Anybody got a teaser?

Rob's fillets are some of the best I have seen. He's got skillz with the torch.

I heard he has actually been doing some riding lately too.

Good stuff.

LP

[calzonical]

I'd recommend RED hoops for Interbike

[benwitt11]

I'd recommend RED hoops for Interbike

Mr Ferris has been gracious enough to let us have our frame at his booth, Industry Nine can show their wheels at their's. The bike will be getting BLUE I 9's when it comes home, but it will be just the frame at the show.

I wanna see a pic of the new Dorothy headbadge.

Not yet. That's the clincher.

How about a tire clearance shot instead? Should fit 2.5's with mud clearance.

[benwitt11]

The bike will be getting BLUE I 9's when it comes home

These actually.

[N8!]

Originally Posted by benwitt11

These actually.

..and ncj01 approves!!!




Classy with the silver hubs.... very very classy.

[R32]

tastee!

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by benwitt11

These actually.

Thank God you did not go Pink. Now Silver Thomson stem and post.

I love it good job!

[teamdicky]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

Thank God you did not go Pink.

Ennhhhhh.

[mud'n'sweat]

Wow, she looks great from behind!

[Soupboy]

Originally Posted by benwitt11

These actually.

No, these, actually.

[benwitt11]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

Now Silver Thomson stem and post.

Nope, Moots Ti with Seven Ti bar/spacers, and CK Ti headset.

And yes, Soupboy's wheels are a crazier blue than mine. Hehehe.

[one1spede]

Very cool, should be amazing. I will say that my Moots Ti post is one of my favorite items. I now have 3 Ti posts on different bikes. I really do notice a difference, road or mtb.

[cocheese]

Are these going to be avaiable in various sizes as well as geared too?

I'm interested in a small one for my wife. I KNOW that she would love this bike! Pink and blue, yeah! As long as she doesn't think that it means we're having more babies!!!!

[Rainman]

Originally Posted by benwitt11

Here you go, a little more.

Oh baby... your sooo smooth.

Lovely...


R.

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by cocheese

Are these going to be avaiable in various sizes as well as geared too?

I'm interested in a small one for my wife. I KNOW that she would love this bike! Pink and blue, yeah! As long as she doesn't think that it means we're having more babies!!!!

Six sizes will be available starting out with a 13" and going up to a 21" frame size. The bikes will all be geared specific for now.

[Just J]

Looking forward to seeing the full frame pictures, mmm brazing...

[benwitt11]

Are these going to be avaiable in various sizes as well as geared too?

The frames are geared specific, though are available with a Niner or Phil Ebb at a slight upcharge.

Frame sizes will be from 13" to 23" with an effective TT range from 21.75 for the 13" to 25.7" for the 23".

I'll have built bike photos of the prototype up later today, with full geo specs and preorder specials to follow soon.

Thanks for all of the interest and it was great to see a few of you at Interbike.

Cheers,
Ben

[benwitt11]

CAD drawings. Barring some possible minor changes, these are the sizes that Dorothy's will be offered in.

Cheers.

[benwitt11]

The big one.

[mud'n'sweat]

Ben, I went ahead and ordered up the Inbred for $350. I'm going to play around on this rig for the fall and dial in all of my other 29er parts. I'll be saving my money this last quarter of the year to snag Dorothy first thing next year. She is damn beautiful, a true work of art!

[Guitar Ted]

From a blog post somewhere in Minnesota............

[benwitt11]

Full pictures.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=167053

Cheers

[ekoostick]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

From a blog post somewhere in Minnesota............

Really hope the bike was altogether before this shot:

[Guitar Ted]

Ben didn't sleep much after Interbike I see!

Very classic profile. I like it alot. I bet it rides pretty dreamy too. After the little details get worked out, it should be close to perfection!

Way to go Rob and Ben! I can't wait to see how this all plays out for you guys. I'm betting it'll be a home run.

[mdutcher]

I need to see some more pic's... when will you have something up on your website?

That is truly a nice build! Way to go Rob.

[benwitt11]

Better pics for y'all. Rode 20 some miles yesterday, it's the best handling 29er I've ever ridden!

The website should be up in a week or so.

Build specs.
White Brothers IMV 80mm travel, 38mm offset fork
XTR Crank with Phil BB bearings
XTR front der
Dura Ace 12-27 cassette
XO medium cage rear der
XO shifters
Moots stem and seatpost
Seven 710mm x 17 deg bar
Chris King Ti headset
Bontrager X Light saddle
Industry Nine Wheels on Stans rims
Maxxis Ignitors
Bontrager XXX Light tubes
Crank Brothers Stainless pedals
Hope M4 brakes 180 front, 160 rear stainless lines
King Ti bottle cage
Dimension two tone bell
Dimension Cork grips

[R32]

Have to agree, my Badger is the finest riding 29er i've been on. Heck, better than a multitude of 26" for that matter. Rob has got a lot of the geo for the 29er dialed.

Dorothy will be a sweet way to get the ride w/o the full custom cost.

Nice build!

[one1spede]

Looks fantastic! Beautiful build. Of course, I'd love to see it single and rigid, just because I love the clean look that provides. That aside, gorgeous.

[benwitt11]

The bike is 24.9 lbs as pictured, with a bell of course.

[Guitar Ted]

Ben, I was wondering if you happened to run across Jason out there yesterday and if he threw a leg over Dorothy or not. It'd be interesting to hear what his take was on it.

[Salsa Cycles]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

Ben, I was wondering if you happened to run across Jason out there yesterday and if he threw a leg over Dorothy or not. It'd be interesting to hear what his take was on it.

Ted, I did see Ben. It was such a nice day and the bike looked great in the sun. He offered to let me ride it but I declined as I'm still nursing my broken arm. Maybe another time.

Jason

[jh_on_the_cape]

Bike looks great! I sort of cringed because I chose a very similar blue for my custom bike last March, and am still waiting on it. In the meantime there is dorothy and that steel fisher both in a light blue... oh well.

Will there be a 'production' rigid fork offering? steel, already painted, etc...

can you choose the color, or will they all be blue?

[benwitt11]

Forks and stems will be available in stock sizes painted to match the bike. At this time the blue is going to be the only color offered.

Some other design notes for careful observers. This bike is a protoype. The production bikes will have derailler cable routing on the underside of the top tube. This bike has breezer styled dropouts, where the stock frame will use the lighter Paragon machined dropouts. The seatpost binder will also be a typical clamp style for the use of bolt on, or quick release seat clamps. There will also be three zip tie hydro guides on the underside of the top tube instead of two.

[MTBNate]

Ok, I'm a bit slow...


....so can someone tell me how exactly is the Dorothy different from a regular Badger aside from being an 'in-stock/no waiting' frame?

[benwitt11]

There are several differences.

1. At this time, only the blue color is available. Rob's customs are just that, custom options on color choices.

2. The frames are brazed using brass filler. This is the traditional method used for brazing, though Rob's frames use silver filler for the brazing material. Silver fillets are a slightly smoother and smaller than brass. The price does reflect this however.

3. As in a frame from a larger company, tubing sets are the same for each bike in each size. Rob's custom bikes are changed by using different tubes to specifically tune the ride to each individual rider. Dorothy's are tuned to an average rider in each size frame. The butting and placement of butts, (either fore of back of the tube,) are optimised for each frame size.

In short, these are almost the same quality frames, while being available faster and at a lower cost. For those looking for an exact bike, color, or for those who physically need something a little different, Rob's customs would be the way to go.

[banzai]

When will these be available?
How much are we talking for frame and rigid fork/

[benwitt11]

We are accepting preorders now, at a discount of 15% off of frames. Total price for frame and fork before the discount will be $1475. Frames after the discount will be $1062.50. Forks will be $225, and stem pricing is coming. Preordered bikes should be delivered the second or third week in December, with earlier orders being delivered first.

[N8!]

Originally Posted by benwitt11

We are accepting preorders now, at a discount of 15% off of frames. Total price for frame and fork before the discount will be $1475. Frames after the discount will be $1062.50. Forks will be $225, and stem pricing is coming. Preordered bikes should be delivered the second or third week in December, with earlier orders being delivered first.

I'm still waiting to see some good quality photos of her...

..the kind that causes me to drool and makes me wanna order one RIGHT FREEKIN NOW...

[banzai]

Custom filet brazed frame from Badger is $1400.00 and fork is $200.00.
Badger Dorothy $1475.00
It is an OK deal if you pre-order but if you don't pre-order then for the additional $125.00 why not get him to custom build you a frame and fork?
Am I missing something?

[benwitt11]

The frame and fork, (1250 frame + 225 fork), is $1475 together.

So, basically you get frame and fork at normal price for a little less than a custom frame. With the discount, it comes to about $1287.50 for the frame and the fork. Significantly less than a custom frame alone.

This price also includes a Jen Greene headbadge. One of this complexity would cost around $130 direct from Jen.

There is also the wait time. After the preorder, these will be normal production frames, making the wait time considerably less than a full custom.

I should have mentioned the paint as well. Dorothy's are powdercoated, then painted, then clear coated. This would be a charge above Rob's normal custom charge. It should be noted that the $1400 price is a baseline, options would increase the frame price.

So if a person does place a preorder, you're right, it's a very good deal. If a person chooses to wait, they have another option in a stock bike to pick from.

My appologies for any confusion.

Ben

[banzai]

Thanks for the information. He does make some gorgeous frames.

[benwitt11]

My pleasure. These will certainly not disappoint!

Cheers,

Ben

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by N8!

I'm still waiting to see some good quality photos of her...

..the kind that causes me to drool and makes me wanna order one RIGHT FREEKIN NOW...

I thought I'd address this one as you have been bangin' on my photo's in another forum and making similar complaints.

First off, the bike I'm riding due to the extreme generosity and kindness of benwitt is a working prototype, not a show model. Several details of the frame are changed from the bike I'm riding and it might be misleading and confusing to show detailed photographs of this bike. I think it definitely wouldn't be my place to post up such shots and cause benwitt to post more explanations than he already has.

So, to that end I have been posting shots of the Dorothy in it's natural environs, showing all that this is indeed being ridden and tested to find any potential bugs in the soup that Rob Pennell is serving up.

I'm sure that when there is a final production version available to photograph that your desires will be fulfilled. Patience good man, patience!

[calzonical]

Dorothy - You have a Beautiful Frame. I am also attracted to your measurements. However, there are two measurements that I did not see....Bottom Bracket Height and Stand Over preferably on the 17" model.

[benwitt11]

Bottom bracket heights for all sizes is 12.5". I'll get a standover height for you tommorow, (I can measure mine and give you real world specs.)

Cheers,
Ben

[WarPigs]

Hi Ben,
any pics of the fork and stem? cant see any link or pictures in ridedorothy.com
December 1st is fast approaching

[benwitt11]

Stems and forks are coming. They will not be painted before the Dec 1st deadline unfortunately. They will be powder coated Dorothy Blue, then clear coated like the frame as well.

Standover height on the 17" frame will be approximently 30.2"s at the middle of the tube. Final geometry drawings will be up on the website shorlty.

The final drawings also list the maximum size shoe a rider can wear without toe overlap.

[None]

So, when will we see these pretty frames start showing up at our doors? Any updates?

[benwitt11]

Originally Posted by None

So, when will we see these pretty frames start showing up at our doors? Any updates?

Delivery is still on track for the last week in December/first week in January. This is for all stems, frames, and forks. All headbadges arrived from Jen Greene last week. I'll post a pic of them tommorow.

Cheers,
Ben

[Schultz29]

Please hurry Dorothy. I'm without a bike to ride and I'm desperately awaiting your arrival. Don't make me ride my road bike, she's not as pretty as you and she bores me to tears.

[fangofever]

you said bb heights are 12.5" did the bb drop change from the original 2.62"?

[Schultz29]

Originally Posted by benwitt11

All headbadges arrived from Jen Greene last week. I'll post a pic of them tommorow.

Cheers,
Ben

Ben:
Where's those pics? Please, throw us a bone

[benwitt11]

Originally Posted by Schultz29

Ben:
Where's those pics? Please, throw us a bone

My appologies for the wait. Here's six.

[Guitar Ted]

Ben, those badges are HOT!!

[Schultz29]

I can't wait to see one with MY bike attached to it. Thanks for a little taste of what's to come.

[gpc]

badger totally f'ed up my bike. i waited 3 times as long as they told me, then i get the bike finally and the seat stays are welded off center and the rear wheel wont correctly sit in teh drops. this was verified by 2 different shops. and badger wont return calls.