2006 GDR starts today

[mikesee]

Check out the ACA press release below. Of note is that Matt Lee will be on a Can-o-beer 29"er, and Matt Chester and Rudi Nadler will both be attempting the route on 700 x ~40's, fixed. I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that David Nice will also be riding big wheels and a fixed gear.

Without further ado...

For Immediate Release
June 23, 2006
Contact: Aaron Teasdale
800-755-2453 x237 ateasdale@adventurecycling.org

Great Divide Race Starts Today on Adventure Cycling’s Great Divide Mountain Bike Route

World’s Longest Mountain Bike Route Hosts World’s Longest Mountain Bike Race

Missoula, Montana – At 12:00 p.m. today, June 23, in remote country high on the Montana/Canada border, the third annual Great Divide Race begins. Following the Adventure Cycling Association’s Great Divide Mountain Bike Route , racers will pedal a stupendous 2,490 miles of remote, mountainous terrain along the spine of the continent to the New Mexico/Mexico border. Making the ride even more impressive is the fact that all riders are entirely self-supported – no outside assistance or SAG support of any kind is allowed.

“People who race the GDR have no interest in a pit crew, in having pacers, in having support, or anything like that,” says race organizer Mike Curiak. “They want the all-encompassing race, where not only do they have to ride, they have to make their own meals, fix their bike, navigate, all that stuff. They want the ultimate challenge.”

“The race really honors the Great Divide Route and what it’s all about,” says Cannondale rider Matthew Lee, the winner of last year’s GDR and a racer again in 2006. “It’s bikepacking at its best.”

John Stamstad, the now-retired Michael Jordan of endurance mountain biking, set the original Great Divide Route speed record in 1999 when he blazed it in a seemingly impossible 18 days, 5 hours (most riders take two months or more). Then, in 2004, the first year the race was held, Curiak shattered Stamstad’s record with a time of 16 days, 57 minutes. Whether Curiak’s amazing record – averaging 150+ miles a day on three-to-four hours sleep a night – will ever be broken remains to be seen, but more than one racer in this year’s field admits to having it in their sights.

Less ambitious riders looking to experience the Great Divide Route and mountain-bike travel at a more enjoyable pace have lots of options. The simplest is to pick a scenic stretch and go ride – Adventure Cycling’s detailed maps for the route make finding your way easy. Outside magazine calls the Montana section of the Great Divide Route “A glorious 800-mile medley of fire and logging roads, jeep and singletrack trails.”

For those who would rather pedal the route with an experienced guide and a group of like-minded riders, Adventure Cycling leads small groups on the Great Divide every summer. The Wyoming-based Great Divide Wind River and Colorado-based Great Divide Alpine are both 10-day, self-contained adventures through mind-bending scenery. Big dreamers take note: in 2007 Adventure Cycling will offer a 75-day mega-ride along the entire route, a trip National Geographic Adventure calls “One of America’s 100 best adventures.”

For those new to mountain biking or bike travel, Adventure Cycling offers a six-day Intro to Dirt Touring course every summer. Websurfers looking to learn more about multi-day mountain biking can visit Adventure Cycling’s mountain bike page . For a list of the best long-distance dirt rides in North America, check out our top ten list .

To learn more about the Great Divide Race go to www.greatdividerace.com . To follow the riders in this year’s race, check out the official blog here: www.greatdividerace.blogspot.com (rumor has it that several riders will race this year on fixed-gear bikes, taking the challenge to mind-boggling levels of difficulty). Last year’s winner Matthew Lee has his own blog – www.tourdivide.blogspot.com – that offers photographs, a description of the route, and his audio messages from the race. MTBCast will be carrying daily podcasts with commentary and phoned-in reports from the racers themselves at www.mtbcast.com .

The largest cycling organization in North America, The Adventure Cycling Association is a 501(c)(3) 42,000-member, non-profit in Missoula, Montana dedicated to inspiring people of all ages to travel by bicycle. For more information please visit www.adventurecycling.org . To learn more about the Great Divide Route or to request an Adventure Cycling press kit, contact Aaron Teasdale, Media Liaison, at 800-755-2453 x237 or ateasdale@adventurecycling.org.


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[dRjOn]

excellent.. i *love* reading about these epic races/adventures...thanks for that mc

[wolfy]

Fixed seems like a bit more of a challenge. Seems like not coasting would take a pretty big toll over that long a distance.

-M

[Padre]

Originally Posted by wolfy

Fixed seems like a bit more of a challenge. Seems like not coasting would take a pretty big toll over that long a distance.

-M

Saddle sores of epic proportions....

[turnerbikes]

I love reading about the adventure races, but the thought of the physical feat is mind boggling.

DT

[GlowBoy]

As if I weren't awestruck enough by Mike's record pace of 2 years ago, and by Kent's singlespeed run last year ... now we've got guys riding this fixed?!. Wow.

Will be watching the blogs regularly, and thankful for this year's improved coverage!

[edemtbs]

Originally Posted by mikesee

Of note is that Matt Lee will be on a Can-o-beer 29"er, and Matt Chester and Rudi Nadler will both be attempting the route on 700 x ~40's, fixed. I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that David Nice will also be riding big wheels and a fixed gear.

...

Dave Nice is indeed riding big wheels and fixed, so there are three of those freaks out there!

Matt Lee even has the audacity to think he will ride the Crested Butte Classic on July 15th when he finishes GDR. How's that for confidence and passion. Nice warm-up Matt.

Good luck to everyone attempting this adventure!

Ed E

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by edemtbs

Dave Nice is indeed riding big wheels and fixed, so there are three of those freaks out there!

Confirmed. I think it's the only bike Dave Nice owns, if I'm not mistaken. It's a Karate Monkey, if my memory serves correct. He had it at Trans Iowa this spring, along with some very fine sippin' whus-kee, I might add!

Matt Lee even has the audacity to think he will ride the Crested Butte Classic on July 15th when he finishes GDR. How's that for confidence and passion. Nice warm-up Matt.

Yeah, I talked to Matthew an hour and a half before he set out from Banff on the "prologue". He sounded pretty relaxed.

Good luck to everyone attempting this adventure!

Ed E

Ditto! I can't wait to follow along and read the stories afterwards!

[xrmattaz]

I just cannot imagine "my Rudi" out there right now....I'm nearly sick, like a worried parent perhaps. When Momma comes home, I'll tell her about the race start, then we can be sick together. We'll be GLUED to the blog.

Rudi will do fine in this race, in my prediction......just hoping Matt gets along as well.

Kudos to all the riders in this epic event!

[edemtbs]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

Confirmed. I think it's the only bike Dave Nice owns, if I'm not mistaken. It's a Karate Monkey, if my memory serves correct. He had it at Trans Iowa this spring, along with some very fine sippin' whus-kee, I might add!

He also has a Cross Check.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/IM000469.jpg

Stranahan's Colorado Whiskey

Good luck to ya Dave!!

Ed E

[bd.sahib]

Originally Posted by edemtbs

He also has a Cross Check.

Stranahan's Colorado Whiskey

Good luck to ya Dave!!

Ed E

Dave had the Cross Check for the Trans Iowa mud boggin' too. Unfortunately it spent more time on top of my car than on gravel. Last time I talked with him he mentioned doing CB 100 if he finished in time.

dp

[mvi]

I hope the guys on the fixed gears can stay injury free. One out of three at the finish, is my prediction. Just the thought of it makes my knees hurt. You got to be super tough or crazy to attempt that. Probably both. Best wishes and good luck to you all.

[bd.sahib]

Looks like somebody pinched Dave's bike.

http://www.greatdividerace.blogspot.com/

Reserved their place in hell...

[edemtbs]

Originally Posted by bd.sahib

Looks like somebody pinched Dave's bike.

http://www.greatdividerace.blogspot.com/

Reserved their place in hell...

What in the...? This is freakin' ridiculous! I'm speechless.

Ed E

[bd.sahib]

Originally Posted by edemtbs

What in the...? This is freakin' ridiculous! I'm speechless.

Ed E

From the comments it looks like Kent Peterson is trying to hook him up so I just left him (Dave) a voice message on his cell phone. Who knows about reception though..

[edemtbs]

Originally Posted by bd.sahib

From the comments it looks like Kent Peterson is trying to hook him up so I just left him (Dave) a voice message on his cell phone. Who knows about reception though..

I see that, thanks.

Unbelievable! Probably teenagers or something. What a rotten way to have to possibly quit. I'm seriously bummed for Dave.

It sounds like the two other experienced fixies, Rudi and Matt are feeling some pain now.

"edit" - wait until those idiots try and get on Dave's bike. I bet they go ass over tea-kettle when the pedals don't stop turning. Morons.

Ed E

[Wish I Were Riding]

I am utterly disheartened that someone would do that to Dave's or anyone else. It makes me feel sick.

[cocheese]

That is simply insane! Humans can stoop to new lows and this is a prime example.

Best of luck to all the contestants, but a loud shout out to Matt Chester doing it on a fixie. C'mon Matt!

[Singlespeedpunk]

Its great news that Matt and Rudi are doing so well....keep going guys!

Its really bad news that Dave had his bike stolen...having followed his blog and seen how much he has put in to this it makes me want to get really nasty with the jerks who took his Surly. I hope something can be sorted for him so he can finish the course...if there is a paypal collection let me know.

Alex

[Guitar Ted]

This is the worst thing, this bike thievery!

How can you keep your chin up after such a blow? I don't know. Dave Nice is such a cool guy though, and I wish the best for him. Really, I hope that the support offered to him works out, but I would be so mentally devastated. I'm not sure I could carry on.

This after he was broken into in Denver at the place he lived in. (according to his blog) It's got to weigh heavily on the brain.

I met Dave at Trans Iowa this year and he was the kindest, most helpful soul. It just pains me to hear this news and see the consequences of it. Hopefully it'll all work out in the end. There seems to be alot of active support trying to salvage this GDR attempt for him. By the tone of his entries to the GDR blog, it would seem that he is resigned to ending it, though.

[nuttymtbr]

I have been listening to MTBCast. Technology thats allows us to follow this is just awesome!!

[2melow]

Totally sucks! My In-laws live in Bigfork, Montana (where the bike was stolen) and this is a very affluent part of the state - lots of retirement homes on the lake and Eagle Bend Country Club. I've ridden this part of the GDR several times while visiting them and have stopped by Brookies Cookies for the post-ride binge. If it were my bet it is probably some kid that wanted to get to his buddies house to play X-box and it will be ditched in the woods to resurface later.

I'd contact Glacier Cyclery in Whitefish (Jan or Lee) - they seem to be the biggest shop up there and probably see most bikes come through. Major bummer!

[Soupboy]

My taint is chafed just by thinking about all that saddle time.

Disgusted to hear about Dave's predicament. I hope he can source a replacement soon.

[Cloxxki]

For such long rides, I'd really consider a...

hold on now...


still time to change the dial...

recumbent.

[lanpope]

Moderators - someone needs to make this thread a sticky.

The coolest, harshest, roughest, longest event of the year, covered up with 29ers (and even one pre-production model from a HUGE bike company)...

Yeah...I think that qualifies as sticky material over whatever else is up there.

LP

[lanpope]

Mike -

Do you have any pics from the starting line?

I for one would love to see the rider's setups. Especially the fixie guys.

I am always amazed how minimalist these guys can go!

Not trying to turn the discussion all gearish...but hey...this is MTBR!

LP

[donkey]

Originally Posted by lanpope

Mike -

Do you have any pics from the starting line?

I for one would love to see the rider's setups. Especially the fixie guys.

I am always amazed how minimalist these guys can go!

Not trying to turn the discussion all gearish...but hey...this is MTBR!

LP

I second that request....I'm really curious to see Matt and Rudi's setup...as well as the C-Dale 29"er all racked up.

B

[xrmattaz]

I once owned a nice high dollar recumbent. For a few weeks, everything was fine......then did a rather longish (~70 mile) hilly ride, and my knees were TOAST for six months. No riding during that time, sold the recumbent, and started rehab on the SS.

Doing "leg presses" for several hours at a time VS. using one's body weight to provide the same forward motion is quite different.

I truly loved the recumbent, 'til I did my first LONGISH hill climbing ride/race.

IMO, there is NO way a recumbent rider could survive this ride. This ain't grampa's off road hill climbs! We're talking MANY thousands of feet offroad climbing the first several days......singletrack/fireroads and paved roads.

Originally Posted by Cloxxki

For such long rides, I'd really consider a...

hold on now...


still time to change the dial...

recumbent.

[2melow]

I stuck it.

Good idea. 2m

[mvi]

Is there a collection already? Regardless if he continues or not.

[Guitar Ted]

There is something set up for David Nice by a close friend of his.

[mvi]

OK people, lets get Dave another Surly back on the road! Every $ will help!

[Padre]

Paypal sent.

[Disco_Inferno]

Something like a brief spot on each rider and his Hardware. Its beyond belief that the fixies are spinning this. Of course im sure were all curious about the 26" to 29" ratio of bikes for this year.

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by lanpope

Mike -
Do you have any pics from the starting line?

Nope, sorry, I wasn't at the start.

I'd have liked to have gone, but it's ~900 miles one way and gas ain't cheap these days.

Besides, too many people woulda kilt me if I'd taken off a few days (and delayed their wheelbuilds) to drive up to MT and back.

I know that Matt and Rudi were on 700 x 32 and 38's, respectively. Tried to talk Matt into some fatter tires but he wasn't hearing it. He had some fancy fork that a friend had made for him and that he was hell-bent on using, and it wouldn't clear bigger than 32's. I even resorted to, "Well, ya know, they're your hands after all..." but he wouldn't be swayed.

My hands wouldn't have made it through day one with that little air volume. Hope those two are doin' alright. Maybe they'll take turns using their numb hands to smear chamois butter on each others' numb...

Nevermind.

Anyone else notice Matt Lee sorta predicted a 16-day finish on his website? Hmmm...

Pic of his loaded Can-o-beer here.


MC

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

There is something set up for David Nice by a close friend of his.

PayPal sent. If anyone can spare anything to get this guy back on the road (not in the race--he's on his way home) please do so. Even a few bucks will help him to see that not all people are shifty scum.

Thanks folks.

MC

[edemtbs]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

There is something set up for David Nice by a close friend of his.

Done.

Although it's small consolation for a dent in the spirit. Keep the faith Dave, we're with you!

Ed E

P.S. thanks to those who set up the PayPal and all.

[mvi]

BTW Will have some parts to donate in case he gets a new frame too, later.

[Krein]

Originally Posted by mikesee

My hands wouldn't have made it through day one with that little air volume. Hope those two are doin' alright. Maybe they'll take turns using their numb hands to smear chamois butter on each others' numb...

Nevermind.

Heh. Sounds like you speak from experience...

??

Originally Posted by mikesee

Anyone else notice Matt Lee sorta predicted a 16-day finish on his website? Hmmm...

He's got 3 days to shave off. That's ~15% faster. It seems like he's close to 16 day pace as of last night? I just checked and he was in Wise River at 5:30 Monday. You called at 3:30 Monday in '04. However, you had some major downtime in Butte, just before this.

Attached is a pic of Rudi's bike from the start of the AZT 300. I would imagine his setup is very similar for the GDR.

[lanpope]

Originally Posted by Krein

Attached is a pic of Rudi's bike from the start of the AZT 300. I would imagine his setup is very similar for the GDR.

Very neat. I wonder if those guys adjust their gearing when riding loaded.

LP

[mikesee]

A few pics from the early miles, courtesy of Aaron Teasdale at the ACA.

MC

[Krein]

Originally Posted by mikesee

A few pics from the early miles, courtesy of Aaron Teasdale at the ACA.

MC

Thanks for the pics, Mike (and Aaron).

First is Matt Chester and Rudi, I'd guess from the first 30 miles of the race. Just looking at Matt's hands makes me ache. His hands may be able to take it, but riding like that would destroy mine. Interesting choice of front panniers and no pack, too.

Second is Matt Lee. Almost looks like Richmond Hill, based on the fallen trees. Could be the climb to Whitefish Divide. Great pic.

Not sure who is in the third pic.

It's cool to see the ACA taking more interest in the race. I guess there will be an article in the next issue of Adventure Cyclist.

[wolfy]

I don't know. Those guys in the first pic (Matt and Rudi?) are going to get their clocks cleaned. I'm sure they'll finish. But they'll finish with sparkly clean clocks. They're like the kungfoo guys hammering nails in with their hands. But every 5 minutes for a month!

Why is he running all his gear in the front?

-M

[donkey]

I'm still dying for somebody to come forth and share what they're actually bringing with them for a race of this caliber....lighting...what type?....stoves?....sleeping bag? sleeping pad? Bivy....The anal gear obsessed mountaineer in me must know!

B

[SS'r in Kansas]

from the 1st picture, kinda looks like Matt C is running at 26" on the rear. I'm sure it's just the way the picture is, but the wheel looks a bit smaller.

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by Krein

First is Matt Chester and Rudi, I'd guess from the first 30 miles of the race. Just looking at Matt's hands makes me ache. His hands may be able to take it, but riding like that would destroy mine. Interesting choice of front panniers and no pack, too.

Yep, that's them. My hands ache looking at Matt's. Rudi's setup looks pretty clean and well thought out. But those teeny tires...

Originally Posted by Krein

Second is Matt Lee. Almost looks like Richmond Hill, based on the fallen trees. Could be the climb to Whitefish Divide. Great pic.

I think it's approaching Whitefish Divide. Sounded like there were several slides this year.

Originally Posted by Krein

Not sure who is in the third pic.

Dave Nice on the left and Kevin Montgomery on the right. Approaching Red Meadow Pass.

Originally Posted by Krein

It's cool to see the ACA taking more interest in the race. I guess there will be an article in the next issue of Adventure Cyclist.

Cool.

MC

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by wolfy

I'm sure they'll finish. But they'll finish with sparkly clean clocks.

LMAO!

Originally Posted by wolfy

Why is he running all his gear in the front?

Who knows? Why is he running fixed? Why is he riding 32's? Why is he wearing long sleeves?

The answer? Because he's Matt Chester, I guess.

??

MC

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by donkey

I'm still dying for somebody to come forth and share what they're actually bringing with them for a race of this caliber....lighting...what type?....stoves?....sleeping bag? sleeping pad? Bivy....The anal gear obsessed mountaineer in me must know!

B

Because it takes years of trial and error and lots of money to figure these things out, not many are willing to just give these answers away. They represent hard won lessons and psychological advantages for those of us who like to be competitive in these sorts of events.

If someone IS willing to share the answers with you, beware the validity and authenticity of those answers!

Besides, the best part about these races is going out and riding, camping, and experimenting yourself. It's the journey, not the destination. Get out there and do it--I know you've got the bikes for it.

MC

[Cloxxki]

Perhaps skidding the fixie works better without any luggage weighing the rear wheel?

[jfkbike2]

Paypal sent. Hope we all chip in enough to make him whole and I hope the rat-bastard who stole the bike gets caught.

[bd.sahib]

Originally Posted by Cloxxki

Perhaps skidding the fixie works better without any luggage weighing the rear wheel?

Heel clearence maybe?

Is he running just a front brake? Can't quite see if there's 2 in the picture...

[YuriB]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

There is something set up for David Nice by a close friend of his.

Done and done. Better luck Dave's way.

[donkey]

Originally Posted by mikesee

Because it takes years of trial and error and lots of money to figure these things out, not many are willing to just give these answers away. They represent hard won lessons and psychological advantages for those of us who like to be competitive in these sorts of events.

If someone IS willing to share the answers with you, beware the validity and authenticity of those answers!

Besides, the best part about these races is going out and riding, camping, and experimenting yourself. It's the journey, not the destination. Get out there and do it--I know you've got the bikes for it.

MC

I hear ya...and I can completely understand. I guess it's kinda like sharing route information amongst mountaineers/climbers...if someone gives you an exact list of what pieces of gear a route will take...it saps some of the adventure from the experience...

I'm still way too curious though.

I'm also wondering if Matt plans on sticking to his vegan diet while out there...that'd be tough. Super tough. I was a veggie for years...it's tough to stick with at home with a full kitchen..I can't imagine pulling it off out on the GD for a few weeks.

[MDEnvEngr]

This woman did it on a 'bent trike. Not the best tool for the job, I'd say.

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journ...c_id=998&v=2h2

B

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by donkey

I hear ya...and I can completely understand. I guess it's kinda like sharing route information amongst mountaineers/climbers...if someone gives you an exact list of what pieces of gear a route will take...it saps some of the adventure from the experience...

Yep. And not just from the race experience--from the 'training' rides and prep too.

Originally Posted by donkey

I'm still way too curious though.

You know what to do...

Originally Posted by donkey

I'm also wondering if Matt plans on sticking to his vegan diet while out there...that'd be tough. Super tough. I was a veggie for years...it's tough to stick with at home with a full kitchen..I can't imagine pulling it off out on the GD for a few weeks.

He didn't seem too concerned about it beforehand. Although if the rumor I just heard is true it won't matter. I got this secondhand so take that for what it's worth, but here's the jist:

I just got an update from Matt Chester. It looks like he is out. Saddle sores, bent fork, swollen feet, he sounds like he's been through some rough stuff...

Hope it's just that he's beat down and nothing more. Hope he can sleep some of it off, straighten the fork between two trees, and continue.

Waiting to hear more...

MC

[Krein]

Originally Posted by MDEnvEngr

This woman did it on a 'bent trike. Not the best tool for the job, I'd say.

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journ...c_id=998&v=2h2

B

Thanks for the link. My initial reaction was, "she must have taken a lot of the paved alternates, avoiding the hard stuff." But then I find that she rode Fleecer Ridge.

Fleecer is the steepest hill on the divide, at round about 45% grade. The trail is basically a fall-line 2 track cut ages ago by some moron in a jeep. It would be impossible to ride uphill. She rode down it though, and I can't even imagine how. I rode it during GDR '05, but only because walking would have hurt much, much worse. I probably would have walked some of the sections if my legs were functioning.

Read her description of it here (with pics), it's entertaining:

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journ...id=25867&v=10z

Just nuts. She was pretty dedicated to sticking to the route, but her slow average speeds (3 mph often) meant that winter shut her out of some of the harder stuff in New Mexico.

Fleecer is just one of many cool sections on the divide.

[mvi]

I predicted 1 of 3 fixed finishing the race, and after 5 days already down to 1? Daves getting the bike stolen doesn't count I guess ,but I could ,and can not see how you can do this on a fixed or a SS without getting hurt, or seriously slow down. Admiring the guys for their trying though.

[lanpope]

Yep, it looks like Chester is out. That's too bad. I wonder if the fixie thing or the skinny tires hurt worse. Can't wait to hear his report.

Hope Rudi can hold up.

LP

[SlowerThenSnot]

First Off!

Thanks guys for the support of helping me get some wheels togather. My head wasn't in it after having the bike stolen.

Here is a list of what I rode with and what got stolen....

Bike:
58 cm crosscheck with stock fork fixed gear 36x16 rear rack, mary bar upside down, pink housing =) brooks saddle cut down, old square taper deore cranks with stainless surly ring...

Lived in:
A kelty noah's tarp 9 ft model ownly 2 lbs and cheap... wouldn't take a pole next time. Lafuma 800 bag, blue foam tarp, little bit of bug net.

Cooked with:
a alcohol stove made by a swiss company with cool interlocking pans a cotton coffee filer and holder for it. Gots to have some coffee =) stove was nice I carried about a liter of fuel stove runs for about 15 min on 2 oz of fuel and well boil almost a liter in that time. I like eating somthing hot before i go to bed even if it s just ramen =)

What else:
about 2 1/2 changes of cothes + a fleece and a jacket.... next year i won't carry anything extra but foal wheather stuff and socks... baby wipes, sunscreen, bug stuff, tubes, a few extra chain links and power links....$380 cash, keys

2 bottle cages with 30 oz bottles 2 30oz gatorade bottles in bag. would have trown a few more in for dryer sections of trail..

Bike with gear a rack full water bottles and food about 64lbs

What didn't get stolen I was using my backpack as a pillow and my blue pad to nap on....

maps, first aid kit, gps, notebook, cell phone, mutitool, 15mm wrench, patch kit, a few packets of emergenC, $5 cash in pocket

Next year I am gonna shoot for no more then 50 lbs of crap.

Thanks agin every one!
I have a few pics on my blog from the race if you want to see em...

[SlowerThenSnot]

Originally Posted by bd.sahib

Heel clearence maybe?

Is he running just a front brake? Can't quite see if there's 2 in the picture...

Both Matt and Rudi just rocking the front brake... I like to stop fast I run two espaicaly with all the stuff...

Matt said he like the way the bike handled with front panniers better???

[wolfy]

I guess I coulnd't have been more wrong. Who'd have thought Padre was such an expert on Ass Leigons?

What does an infected saddle sore feel like? I'm thinking an ingrown hair with two slides into third on top of it.

Already a more intersting race than the last TDF!

-M

[Padre]

Originally Posted by wolfy

I guess I coulnd't have been more wrong. Who'd have thought Padre was such an expert on Ass Leigons?

What does an infected saddle sore feel like? I'm thinking an ingrown hair with two slides into third on top of it.

Already a more intersting race than the last TDF!

-M

Hey now!

Hey all-

mc here...I already did a couple of call-ins on the GDR blog but I thought I'd post some thoughts here. Sorry if this comes out kind of random. Even though I dropped pretty early due to some serious issues, it was a great experience and has only motivated me more to show up next year. I'm sad not to be riding with my pal Rudi though. We had such a good time chatting (old cycling, boxing, philosophy, etc.) when things were rolling smoothly. It really is a solo effort though...and even with riders of equal fitness, there's a different rhythm there: pee breaks, different gear setups being easier/harder to get stuff out of, etc. Rudi definitely came in fitter than me climbing-wise and us riding together slowed our pace a little with both of us stopping when either of us had to (usually me). Kent and I had talked about this some before the race and I have to agree. That said, it was great to have two sets of eyes for navigation...we made few mistakes there.

My bike setup was pretty good and I was pretty happy with my packing list, I would change some stuff though. Some folks seem to cringe at the small front pannier setup but I like it. Having them as close to the steering axis as possible made things feel pretty nice. In pre-race practice I was able to access everthing on the bike from the saddle but it didn't really work out that way in the race. The one time I did not like this arrangement was on steep, rough hike-a-bikes like on Stemple Pass and in the Lava Mountain Trail area. My back was pretty worked (more on that later) and it was a struggle lifting the front of the bike over some stuff with the weight of water in the front bags. I did end up twisting my forks pretty cattywampus but that is rectifiable. I would properly do another long reach sidepull fork with room for a 700x35 Kenda Kross Supreme in front and a burly toury tire in the back (Armadillo, Schwalbe). You definitely burn through rear tires quickly riding fixed with a load in terrain like this.

Here's the anatomy of a GDR DNF:

Rudi and I rode a 180 mile pavement prologue from Sandpoint to Eureka over two days...the dirt route I had thought about still had snow and blowdowns on it. On the second day of this trip (rememeber: 100% pavement + 36x18) I got a little saddle sore. I have never in nearly 20 years of riding bikes ever had one before. I did my best to take care of it but there was just no way to heal up in less than 24 hours. Despite my best efforts, they got worse and worse. You put so much stress on your contact points riding fixed that eveything need to be right. If one contact point gets torn up, the other two suffer unduly no matter your equipment or bike fit.

Rudi and I are both exceedingly comfortable on our rigs. Rudi took the precautionary route of padding his bars heavily with Z-pad from the start. I had two pieces that I added on Day 2 because of pressure I was putting on my hands from the sores. I was in incredible pain everywhere except the ascents (that would change). By the end of Day 2, I was yelling in pain on the descents and had to brake check a lot. It got really really bad on Day 3 before (duh) I lowered my saddle nearly an inch and shoved it all the way forward on the rails in Ovando. Rudi has some more minor issues with his main contact point and we both spent a mint at the very nice Great Divide Cyclery in Helena (thanks guys) getting more comfortable. Rudi and I got new shorts (I got new liners) and some more cream and some Brave Soldier for me. Before I did this major saddle adjustment...I totally trashed my hands (even with the pads) and lost feeling in both ring and pinkie fingers and the butts of both hands (typical ulnar nerve stuff). My hands were very weak and it was difficult to do anything: change flats, make adjustments, pack gear, etc. Some new Specialized gloves (size XXL!) helped a good bit.

Feet are another contact point and I had logged lots of miles with skate shoes and Suntour XC Pro pedals, XT clips, and Cinelli synthetic straps. A good reliable, maintainable setup. But, I had never stressed my shoes like this with all the hike-a-bikes and really, really steep climbing. I feel in the creek below Clearwater Lake right before bed on Day 2 filtering water saturating my shoes and socks. Luckily it was a warm, calm night. I ended up totally blowing out the midsole and stretching the shoes like hell. Bad bad bad. The pedal cages were now digging into my feet and I had to put so much more pressure down there with all the standing I was doing and my toes were jamming into the front of the shoe on every single descent. It was hell. Both my toes look like they have been hit with hammers ala Casino. They and the bottom of my feet are very bruised. I went back to clipless in Helena with some Specialized shoes and Time ATAC Aliums. $$$.

Using bottles solely was a HUGE mistake and definitely a big factor in my DNF. I haven't used a hydration pack in many, many years but I learned the hard way that it is definitely a necessity when riding a fixie on this kind of event. A 100 miler or 24 hour race...no sweat, but you just can't deplete yourself without major consequences here. Bottles would be no problem with a freewheel, but you just can't grab a bottle on a 25mph descent on a dirt road spinning a 36x18 with ~20# of gear on the rig. I was so jealous of Rudi watching him drink on the standing climbs and descents. It was HOT too this year. Well into the 90s on a couple of days and that really exacerbated other issues. Next year I will use a proper hydration pack. Not having weight on my back didn't mean squat if I couldn't drink properly.

I need to wrap this up...but to make a long story short. I was having to do so much extra work with my contact point issues (all three places: butt, hands, feet) that I couldn't drink or eat properly. Starting on Day 2...I probably threw up about a dozen times a day every day until I quit. I totally stressed my back, both achilles and my ankles in general are very swollen, my quads are just empty, my hands still have the same issues as mentioned before and it will take weeks to go away I'm sure.

Some folks seem to be making a big deal about the whole vegan thing. I did OK on that front. I'm not running around throwing red paint on people, painting Xs on my hands, or asking to see kitchens. I ate well when we were off the bike...lots of veggie sandwiches, fruit, fig bars, some candy, lots of water, some sports drinks. On the bike...raisins and fig bars worked well. 100% vegan? Probably not. Vegetarian? Yep. I'm strict but I'm not a militant a-hole either and went in with a realistic attitude and veganism isn't dogma just for the sake of it. I've never decided not to do anything just because I couldn't do it perfectly, and neither should you.

I learned a lot this year and I'm already excited to try again next year. My fitness coming in wasn't awful but it wasn't where it needed to be either with so much time off the bike last year (two bone breakages) + other issues. I understand why guys like Curiak log the time they do on the bike. It isn't about the "training" or dorkin' out...it's about prevention of pitfalls, the ability to recover, and the ability to adapt.

It is a whole different ballgame. I have never been in so much pain/difficulty in my life. That includes broken bones, rally car accidents, etc. The pain was so bad on the last day that I had trouble even focusing my eyes properly.

Rudi is riding awesome and he has the right attitude/fitness to get him to Mexico. I predict he's only going to speed up and he thrives better than most in the heat. I call him the Desert Nomad. I'm sad I'm not riding with my friend and I miss him. We had a lot of fun and hopefully he'll be able to go on another adventure with me again someday. I'd be lying if there weren't some tears shed when I saw him ride off in Basin.

That's it.
mc

[Singlespeedpunk]

Thanks for the great write-up Matt, I hope there is more in the future issues of 700see. The list of ailments was pretty bad and even one of those on a "normal" ride would have 99.9% (me included!) of people whining like 7yo girls with skinned knees!

The Speccy BG shoes and gloves are worth their weight in gold and I love mine (and the ATAC's they plug into) On a short ride you don't notice but once the miles start clocking up it can really make the difference.....not that I'll attempt the GDR any time soon!

I wish you a speed recovery and hope to see your name on the roster next year

Alex

PS I stole a quote from your update....typical understatement!

[wolfy]

"I've never decided not to do anything just because I couldn't do it perfectly, and neither should you."

Good call Chesterino!

We'll be watching next year.

-M

[edemtbs]

Originally Posted by flexiflyer

Hey all-

mc here...I already did a couple of call-ins on the GDR blog but I thought I'd post some thoughts here. Sorry if this comes out kind of random. Even though I dropped pretty early due to some serious issues, it was a great experience and has only motivated me more to show up next year.

That's it.
mc

Hey Matt -

A very worthy effort and lessons learned, that's what it is all about. Thanks for the excellent write-up and good luck next year, I'll be watching, again from the sidelines. Not sure I have the time to put in the training required or the cajones for such a Herculean effort.

Good luck to Rudi and the others who are till ridin' on down the road - feelin' bad/good?

Ed E

[donkey]

Originally Posted by flexiflyer

Some folks seem to be making a big deal about the whole vegan thing. I did OK on that front. I'm not running around throwing red paint on people, painting Xs on my hands, or asking to see kitchens. I ate well when we were off the bike...lots of veggie sandwiches, fruit, fig bars, some candy, lots of water, some sports drinks. On the bike...raisins and fig bars worked well. 100% vegan? Probably not. Vegetarian? Yep. I'm strict but I'm not a militant a-hole either and went in with a realistic attitude and veganism isn't dogma just for the sake of it. I've never decided not to do anything just because I couldn't do it perfectly, and neither should you.

Nice...I'm glad you found a system that was working for you out there. I meant no offense...I was just curious what your plans were....I figure it's hard to find fresh fruit/vegetables/etc out there in the middle of nowhere at times.

Thanks for the write-up....definitely throws some reality out there pretty quick.

B

[mvi]

Great report mc. Admire the effort you brought.
I was just wondering, what would the zen way of riding GDR be?
Definitely riding it alone.
Riding a geared, -suspended bike because , who cares what people think of your equipement?
The Budha turned away from the suffering the Yogi,s practised I once heard, so why would you torture yourself more than needed? Nothing to prove afterall he?
Get well soon, and keep building those cool bikes, before you know they will go for 10K and leave you time to RIDE...

[jfkbike2]

Mike,

Have you ever used a BOB type trailer to carry your supplies or is that not a viable option.

Jeff

[cocheese]

MC,

Tale of epic proportions. I can only imagine the physical/mental/spiritual pain and suffering you endured. You captured the moment in such vivid detail; I'll not soon forget your ordeal.

I hope to try something like this someday, but I'm nowhere near the level to even begin thinking about it! Your experience serves as true inspiration.

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by jfkbike2

Mike,

Have you ever used a BOB type trailer to carry your supplies or is that not a viable option.

Jeff

I've towed a BOB for tours, but never for a race. As seen in the pic below, we just don't carry much gear. I'd estimate my total payload (excluding bike weight) for a race like the GDR or GLR to be about 12-13lbs. Without gear, a BOB weighs ~12lbs. Very few people would consider doubling the weight of their gear, and adding mechanical complexity in the process.

MC

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by flexiflyer

mc here...I already did a couple of call-ins on the GDR blog but I thought I'd post some thoughts here.

Matt-

Thanks for chiming in with the tales of well and woe here and on the blog. Much appreciated.

Heal fast, ride soon, and try (just try, I dare ya...) to NOT think about the '07 race for awhile.

MC

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by jfkbike2

Mike,

Have you ever used a BOB type trailer to carry your supplies or is that not a viable option.

Jeff

The other factor is when you encounter blowdown and are alone you may have to carry the bike and the trailer over trees in separate trips. Takes extra time and energy.

[GlowBoy]

Originally Posted by Krein

Fleecer is the steepest hill on the divide, at round about 45% grade. The trail is basically a fall-line 2 track cut ages ago by some moron in a jeep. It would be impossible to ride uphill. She rode down it though, and I can't even imagine how. I rode it during GDR '05, but only because walking would have hurt much, much worse.

Wow, that's impressive. Guess the low center of gravity must have helped. Still can't imagine doing a ride with that many extended climbs on a 'bent. But with flatter terrain, maybe.

I was struck by the understated way Rudi described Fleecer Ridge in his voice message yesterday:

Originally Posted by Rudi Nadler, on greatdividerace.blogspot.com

Found a downhill that was kind of challenging for a fixed gear.

Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot

Bike with gear a rack full water bottles and food about 64lbs

Next year I am gonna shoot for no more then 50 lbs of crap.

I have a few pics on my blog from the race if you want to see em...

Wow, even 64 pounds is really Not Bad At All for a touring setup. I don't think I could get any lighter than that myself, but I can see how hundreds of miles of racing with all that gear might make one feel differently. Hope you get your new bike soon.

Originally Posted by flexiflyer

I've never decided not to do anything just because I couldn't do it perfectly, and neither should you

That's one of the best lines I have heard in a long time. Hope you don't mind if I put it in my sig for a while.

[jfkbike2]

makes a lot of sense. thanks for the answer.

[TomP]

...why don't you just move back down here? Having just read this post, I'm reminded of what an interesting, insightful, smart mofo you are. I really do miss being able to just run into you and chat about things.

Thanks for sending those maps too. They have made all the difference in figuring out what's going on while I transcribe. Every once in a while somebody says something about a place and I just don't hear it right, so I pop open the map and look around and ... there you go. For example: Fleecer Ridge, MT

Glad you stopped. Hope those hands get feeling back soon, and I'm worried about your achilles. I made mine swell up back when I was your age once, and they turned flakey for 3 months. I finally had to find an uber physical terrorist to put me right. Be CAREFUL getting back to big biking efforts before they are right again. Fully rupturing one of those baby's is NOT a good idea.

I'd really like to talk to you for a while once you get home and have some time. Don't let's do it while I'm working at the shop though, that never goes well for me, especially this time of year. Call to get my home number, or email me to send me yours, OK?

[Padre]

Time Atacs....wow! An equipment selection that MC and I can have in common.

I love Sidi's...but I loved my Specialized BG shoes more....I still rue the 2002 year when the new size 48s didn't fit me anymore....

so nice on the knees and feet....and stiff too....

come on Rudi!!!! keep it spinnin'!

[Singlespeedpunk]

Rider profiles / portraits and action shots are now up on a gallery hosted by the Adventure Cycling Association, photos taken by Aaron Teasdale,

See it here

I'm loving the set-up John Nobile's running with the fairing and custom trunk....you won't be seeing them in the Topeak catalogue any time soon!

Alex

[Wish I Were Riding]

Yes, thank you Aaron for taking some cool pictures. It's nice to see the riders and their race rigs.

[TomP]

Originally Posted by Singlespeedpunk

Rider profiles / portraits and action shots are now up on a gallery hosted by the Adventure Cycling Association, photos taken by Aaron Teasdale,

See it here

I'm loving the set-up John Nobile's running with the fairing and custom trunk....you won't be seeing them in the Topeak catalogue any time soon!

Alex

Yeah, Aaron's photos REALLY add something. Definitely worth a look.

For those who're interested, Matthew Lee called in from just north of Steamboat Springs, CO at around 5 pm mountain time. He busted a seatpost this afternoon and had to walk a 5-mile climb, and he's hoping to get a new one in Steamboat and then get south of there before quitting for today. After a little over 8 days of riding. THAT's bomber.

Also, Rudi Nadler is in West Yellowstone and is going to take some time out. His butt is making him stop for a while.

Check it all out: http://greatdividerace.blogspot.com/

[Bearbait]

You Guys (Matt C, David, and Rudi) have serious balls for starting an endevour like the GDR with a Fixed gear bike. I congragulate you for even staring with those rigs.
As if it werent hard enough!
you have captured the essence of punnishment and simplicity if you ask me.
Go Rudi Go!!

[Wish I Were Riding]

Big Props to the guys that started the race and have had to stop.

Super Big Mad Props to the guys still riding. I'm trying to figure out who's still in it. Matthew Lee, and John Nobile. That's it now right?

You all rock big time.

[TomP]

Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding

Big Props to the guys that started the race and have had to stop.

Super Big Mad Props to the guys still riding. I'm trying to figure out who's still in it. Matthew Lee, and John Nobile. That's it now right?

You all rock big time.

Kenny Maldonado is also still out there. Matthew in central CO, John into the Great Divide Basin, Kenny nearing the end of the Montana leg.

Anybody out there know Kenny? If so, please email me at tom dot purvis at gmail.

[nick3216]

Originally Posted by mikesee

Because it takes years of trial and error and lots of money to figure these things out, not many are willing to just give these answers away. They represent hard won lessons and psychological advantages for those of us who like to be competitive in these sorts of events.

If someone IS willing to share the answers with you, beware the validity and authenticity of those answers!

Besides, the best part about these races is going out and riding, camping, and experimenting yourself. It's the journey, not the destination. Get out there and do it--I know you've got the bikes for it.

MC

I can't believe that on a multi-day epic like this folk would choose racer boy XC lycra over wool.

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by nick3216

I can't believe that on a multi-day epic like this folk would choose racer boy XC lycra over wool.

To each their own, eh? For some, it's function over fashion...

MC

[nick3216]

Originally Posted by mikesee

To each their own, eh? For some, it's function over fashion...

My point exactly :-)

[wolfy]

Anyone think bigger tires would have preserved The Fixoids sitbones? Can you run a thudbuster on a fixie?

The whole skinny tire thing seems like a bad call to me. (If you accept the fixed gear thing on its merits. Since I've never done it I can't comment on that.)

-M

[SlowerThenSnot]

A least for me I like it a little smaller 37c because of the speed and less restance... It seems when I am rocking much bigger then a 44c I am spending a whole lot more energy on just keeping the tires rolling... I am going to be playing with a big front and small rear. 44c up front and 37c in back.

I ride a brooks saddle and for me it is butt heaven... Takes 15+ hours to in one day for my butt to start to hurt.

Basicly for 70% of the GDR I think smaller is better and faster with a fixie setup.

[jonassterling]

Originally Posted by mikesee

To each their own, eh? For some, it's function over fashion...

MC

Lycra-breathes well, dries quickly, gets hot and stinky very quick

Wool-breathes as well or better then lycra, dries more slowly, has a huge comfort range, and will wear for days without offensive odor.

Wool takes both the function and fashion awards, hands down. I wore the same light wieght long sleeve wool top recently in a 400 mile 3 day trip, even slept in it for extra warmth in the bivy sack. It was comfortable up into the low 70's and down to the mid40's. I've worn the same shirt for a weeks worth of commuting with no washing.

I think if more people really gave wool a chance, more folks would try it.

I think lycra's popularity has more to do with it's ability to be easily marked with sponsors logos then it's performance.

[mikesee]

Originally Posted by jonassterling

Lycra-breathes well, dries quickly, gets hot and stinky very quick

Wool-breathes as well or better then lycra, dries more slowly, has a huge comfort range, and will wear for days without offensive odor.

Wool takes both the function and fashion awards, hands down. I wore the same light wieght long sleeve wool top recently in a 400 mile 3 day trip, even slept in it for extra warmth in the bivy sack. It was comfortable up into the low 70's and down to the mid40's. I've worn the same shirt for a weeks worth of commuting with no washing.

I think if more people really gave wool a chance, more folks would try it.

I think lycra's popularity has more to do with it's ability to be easily marked with sponsors logos then it's performance.

Anytime you (or I, or anyone else) posts something like this, it's kinda necessary to preface it with, "For me...". I say this because all of your points for and against each aren't fact, they're opinion. And opinion is good--that's why most of us are here.

For me, wool isn't adequate. I've tried 6 different jerseys (4 different manufacturers) and as much as I wanted to like them, they all had significant drawbacks that led me to eventually just give them away. Too hot, too itchy, too short (rode up my back, despite the fact that sleeves were too long...), and didn't dry out quickly enough. Also tried wool shorts and while they had their merits, overall they were severely outperformed by the new plastic stuff. For me.

On my '01, '03, and '04 GDR attempts I used 'lycra' (synthetic) shorts and jerseys. No saddle sores, no chafing, no complaints. The people I interacted with (in grocery stores or cafes) probably had a problem with my odor, but it didn't bother me enough to notice.

FWIW, I did wear wool socks and I'm sold on them.

For me.

MC

[jonassterling]

Originally Posted by mikesee

Anytime you (or I, or anyone else) posts something like this, it's kinda necessary to preface it with, "For me...". I say this because all of your points for and against each aren't fact, they're opinion. And opinion is good--that's why most of us are here.



For me, wool isn't adequate.

For me.

MC

I really should have prefaced most of that with this is what works for me, but some of the statements are facts.

You should try another round of wool if it has been a few years. I've got some older wool that is a bit itchy, but fine for shorter(under 5 hour rides). Some of the newer stuff I've tried lately(Smartwool and REI MTS brand) is really a step up. Much less itch, thinner, holds it's shape better and cut well. FWIW, both pieces are non-cycling specific. Most bike jerseys I've tried are too heavy for warmer weather, are cut funny, or end up stretching or shrinking after a few washes. And even better the multi-sport stuff is cheaper.

Cheers

[nick3216]

From the description of John Nobile's setup. My emphasis.

"Integrated into the fairing is a generator-powered headlight and space for food and pepper spray. Good thing he keeps the bear repellant handy – he had a close call with a grizzly bear".

[GlowBoy]

Wow! Can't believe John Nobile is out now too. Hard to tell, but he almost seemed to be gaining slightly on Matt, especially with Matt's layover in Salida -- all while fighting a cold -- promising an exciting finish.

Now we're down to two riders. Not to diminish Kenny's achievement (he's riding the route a lot faster than most of us could) but now this race pretty much belongs to Matt as long as he (and his shock) can finish.

Despite 6 of 8 riders DNFing already, I still think that's just a testament to the difficulty of this race, one of the greatest competitive physical challenges on earth. Pretty incredible to watch, especially with this year's improved coverage. I won't be surprised to see a substantial increase in the number of competitors next year. Sure has me wanting to ride (no, not race) it someday.

[lanpope]

Maybe I'm missing an update or something, but hasn't it been like 4 days since Kenny checked in? Last update I can find he was up in Butte on 7-2.

Hope everything is OK.

BTW - I LOVE the coverage of the race this year. With Matthew's blog giving info about the trail sections and the official race blog and the MTBcast episodes, I feel like we have a good gauge on what is going on out there. I also love hearing the racers talk on MTBcast. Really gives you an insight into how they are going.

I'm with Glowboy...this coverage has me wanting to go out there. If not for the race...for a long tour.

Great Job Guys (racers, bloggers and organizers!)

LP

[TomP]

Originally Posted by lanpope

Maybe I'm missing an update or something, but hasn't it been like 4 days since Kenny checked in? Last update I can find he was up in Butte on 7-2.

Hope everything is OK.

Got an update from Kenny late this morning. He has read the 'net and wants us to know that rumours of his demise are highly exagerated.

He was in Lima, MT as of this morning. He intends to keep pluggin'. Go Kenny!

Matthew should be pretty far into NM by this time. He sent email to me from a cabin near the CO border last night. He wandered into a small town pot luck just at dinnertime last night. That Matthew must have a sixth sense.

[GlowBoy]

Originally Posted by Matt Lee on the GDR blog

Like last night for me, I was cooked from the Gila, and the legs were not motivated. I wanted to make some time, but it got dark as I entered the desert south of Silver City. Just as it did, a massive full moon crept up the horizon illuminating everything across the landscape with low-angle light. It was an energizing switch that beamed life into me. I was able keep cruising at nearly full speed for several more hours. It was nature's Red Bull of sorts. The moon gave curious relief to the terrain, and backlit all the yucca trees as if they were humans, all standing around in various poses, sporting Bart and Lisa Simpson afros. This time, the night was truly a gift, and so perfect at that this far south in the heat and the sand. Now to the east the sun rises on this new day and behind me, the moon is checking out on the old. I have 70 miles to pedal before I check out. I'm looking forward to the best.

Wow, that sounds amazing, although I can't even imagine the physical and mental state Matt must be in at this point in the race. Sounds like we're about to have a winner, and only 2 days off the record despite major mechanical and weather delays.

And back to the inspirational part of this thing ... even if I can't ride the Great Divide Route anytime soon, it's got me thinking about how a similar thing could be done closer to home. It would be possible to put together a "Northwest Crest Route" that followed the Cascade crest from the Canadian border down to California, within the same spirit of the GDR: mostly paralleling and occasionally riding the true crest, detouring around no-go zones like National Parks and Wilderness Areas while staying 80%-ish on dirt roads. I've already mapped out a rough route (along with a couple of east-west cross-state routes). I'm certainly inspired to go out and start riding bits and pieces of it at a time. Even if it would take me years to truly flesh out all the details, it sure would be a lot of fun putting it all together.

Update: We have a winner! Matt rolled into Antelope Wells at 10:30 this morning. Congratulations on a stupendous effort.