NM Endurance Series – Interest?

[Timo]

[SIZE=7]Go to end of THREAD to see updated event calender[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]*In the category of "throw it at a wall and see what sticks........"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]I’m curious to see if others are interested in starting an informal, grassroots endurance ride/semi-race series this spring/summer/fall here in New Mexico. For those of you that know me, you’ll be familiar with such informal rides as the Double Boundary Trail (DBT), Santa Fe Big Friggin Loop (SFBFL), San Yisdro Dirty Century (SYDC), and the Watermelon Death Ride (WDR). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Each of these rides is over 70-miles or over 10k of climbing. The general theme from each is to start at a coffee shop (early) and end and a beer joint (ummmm...late), with an all day enduro challenge in between. You are just responsible for getting your carcass to all points in between![/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]While I enjoy putting these rides together, it gets old coordinating them, and quite honestly it has led me to pursue endurance racing events as an option. However, I believe that with many of us spread through the state, perhaps a few people might step forward and claim a date/event and post it here.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Since there are varying abilities, differing paces, etc I propose the following if you decide to post an “event”. (note that small groups can/will form up, etc)[/SIZE]

• [SIZE=3]Produce a detailed route description – perhaps tabular – indicating turns, connections etc. Each rider will be responsible for their own navigation. [/SIZE]
• [SIZE=3]Identify water/refuel locations, or indicate a need to bring along filter, etc. (an example of this the re-water point in En Medio for the SFBFL) These rides should be self supported, but if you “host” an event and want to coordinate drop bags- then kudos to you. [/SIZE]
• [SIZE=3]Schedule around such obvious events as NMORS, Leadville, Iron Horse, etc. Although I don’t believe head-to-head with NMORS is much of a concern. Glenzx is one of the few capable/interested of doing both types of events.[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=3]Ummmm…..lets not do “multiple” loops at a park, ski area, etc. Goal is to have a backcountry challenge – for those capable of handling the issues[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]If there is an interest, the rules are simple – don’t be a flake, finish what you start. Saying you just want to attend is cool, but try to help out. Also hosting an event means you can’t bail on everybody at the last minute – find a partner to take your place if you need to bail.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Hosting therefore is really quite pretty simple, pick a date, pick a ride, and make an announcement here!! MTBR is free and can handle pretty much all of the coordination.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Perhaps we’ll get 5 (or more?) events this year? The “goal” here is to not identify a “winner” but to award people who complete the challenges, and to have a fun time doing it. Beer is certainly capable of meeting those needs - even better when on an endorphin buzz. But I’ll throw out a proposal for something like a NM Triple Crown award for those that complete at least 3 of these events (yeah I know I’m lifting this name from another state). Perhaps some jersey, patch, hat, etc. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]I can hold the first event fairly soon if there is interest. There is a window in early May – or perhaps Glen will skip one of the April NMORS events? Sportsman? SSweetleaf? [/SIZE]

[glenzx]

Sounds like you have something of a good plan brewing Matt. FWIW, I'm not doing most of the NMORS series. The one I'm interested in showing up for and whoopin booty is later in the season. Other than that, I only planned on doing Cerrillos del Coyote in Socorro in a few weeks, as they do a great job there.

The epic BC loop informal race style is picking up momentum, for sure. It'd be great to throw a few here at home. We ought to try not to conflict with the other big, cool, epic and low-key / informal race/rides like CB100 and VT125 and so on. The La Tierra Torture planning will prevent me from coordinating anything until after that first weekend in June (the race is the 4th). Later on though.... we'll see. I'd say there are two Santa Fe routes ripe for the pickin', as it were. One - the SFBFL as it's got great trails and is easy to navigate. Two - Atalya/Baldy/Etc. epic. Harder to ride, and harder to navigate! We'll see what we can do. Taos would be at the top of the list too - maybe embellish on the Cerro Vista Challenge route to get the start & finish closer to each other / same place.

All those others you've done have always sounded great too! Ah - and a Los Alamos Sportsmans delight would have to be on there too.

I'd say it'd be OK to have a refueling spot out there - like if we left a vehicle in En Medio, for instance, that folks could grab water, food, fuel, clothes, whatever - as it's easy and simple. Or make it a super-duper self supported set-up where one has to purify water and such.... thats cool too.

When's the first one?

[Timo]

Originally Posted by glenzx

When's the first one?

Sweeeet! I was actually going to see when you had an opening for the first one. I'm booked 4/22 and 5/13. What about 4/15, 4/29, or 5/7? I could host the SYDC route for kickoff (Volcanos->White Mesa->Red Mesa). Easiest dirt century around and probabaly good to get confidence going.

What works?

[LCdaveH]

The crucens can host a BigTRIPleD.A.DementiaRideabout. South DAs, North DAs, Uncharted Territory, and back. Perhaps October, after the Choop.

[Travis S]

To keep from stiring up any more trouble on NMCycling, I'll offer my comments here :-)

That sounds like a lot of fun. I think it'd be cool to try to get a series of maybe 6 or 8 events through New Mexico and Arizona and create a southwest series. We could hold the winter races in AZ, the summer races in northern NM and mix up the spring and fall races between the two. I'm sure us Phoenicians could put together some fun epic rides/races. The Spring Fling just had a series of rides around the state where the technical/expert loops were 5 - 8 hour rides. I'm sure we could share the... umm, joy?

[Timo]

Originally Posted by Travis S

To keep from stiring up any more trouble on NMCycling, I'll offer my comments here :-)

That sounds like a lot of fun. I think it'd be cool to try to get a series of maybe 6 or 8 events through New Mexico and Arizona and create a southwest series. We could hold the winter races in AZ, the summer races in northern NM and mix up the spring and fall races between the two. I'm sure us Phoenicians could put together some fun epic rides/races. The Spring Fling just had a series of rides around the state where the technical/expert loops were 5 - 8 hour rides. I'm sure we could share the... umm, joy?

Cool Travis. Yeah I'd be up for heading out west. Actually I do anyway as i have some big rides in Flagstaff, and sheesh, we could do the Flag-Sedona-Flag ride or Stage Route Ride fairly soon. Hell Weatherford and Waterline roads might be open in a few weeks (err... before they close?). Let us know what happens on your end. Again I think it really just comes down to identifying a route - perhaps referencing maps or guide books (if any) and making an announcement. I'm not really looking for "tour-group, snap a lot of pictures" rides - you can expect to ride alone if you want of form up in a pack. Goal is to finish....so perhaps we can call these a Dirt Brevet Series?

If we conclude at a brewery or someplace cool enough, perhaps people will stay around long enough for various groups/people to finish.

[lynette]

That sounds great. I moved back to NM last fall and have been looking forward to spring and new rides. I used to train and race in Chihuahua and know some great (long) rides and a huge group of guys (some women) who love to either host or be hosted! (If anyone is interested in a July trip to/ride around the Chihuahuan mountains, I'd love to host a trip. As far as NM rides, I would be willing to help coordinate a ride in the Albuquerque-Magdelena areas. At any rate, I look forward to hearing about endurance events.

[RichardinLA]

This sounds like an awesome idea and I hope to be able to join in. If it's announced enough far enough off and I can get it on our calendar, I might just stand a chance! I'm limited in time and experience, but would be willing to help coordinate a jaunt around the Los Alamos if needed.

On as aside, is ~70 miles long enough to need a refuel station or to bring water purifiers? I've been doing 30 miles trips and only go through half my 100oz camel back. Seems like a full pack and maybe a bottle added in would get you through an edurance ride of this length?

[akaJamo]

This series sounds great. Having just moved from Colorado, I am looking for some new riding buddies. I am signed up for the Leadville 100 (August), so these epic rides would be great training

[Timo]

Originally Posted by lynette

That sounds great. I moved back to NM last fall and have been looking forward to spring and new rides. I used to train and race in Chihuahua and know some great (long) rides and a huge group of guys (some women) who love to either host or be hosted! (If anyone is interested in a July trip to/ride around the Chihuahuan mountains, I'd love to host a trip. As far as NM rides, I would be willing to help coordinate a ride in the Albuquerque-Magdelena areas. At any rate, I look forward to hearing about endurance events.

Hi Lynette. Ahhh, Chihuahua - I used to work down there myself, but only on 2 week trips. I'd eat like a horse then I'd shi....errr better stop this story right now.

I'd say pick a date and run with it. Magdelena sounds great! I'll lead a few myself - like the ones mentioned above, but perhaps we can throw around some ideas after we all meet up for an event or two.

I hope to see you at the San Ysidro Dirty Century in a few weeks (I'll announce a date soon - ........zx boy, .....anbody? )

[Timo]

Originally Posted by RichardinLA

This sounds like an awesome idea and I hope to be able to join in. If it's announced enough far enough off and I can get it on our calendar, I might just stand a chance! I'm limited in time and experience, but would be willing to help coordinate a jaunt around the Los Alamos if needed.

On as aside, is ~70 miles long enough to need a refuel station or to bring water purifiers? I've been doing 30 miles trips and only go through half my 100oz camel back. Seems like a full pack and maybe a bottle added in would get you through an edurance ride of this length?

Thanks for the comments...let's just hope some people step forward and want to coordinate an event or two. Remember this is grassroots and it only works if we all do. That said there really isn't that much work to set these up if the routes are communicable.

People will have to know their limits and how to respond to adversity because a lot can happen. Making a jump from riding the local loops near the city limits to full on endurance riding/racing in the back country takes years of saddle time for most. Most of all there will be nobody to pull you out of a tough jam that you might get yourself into. Showing up for an event and hoping to follow someone else is just plan asking for trouble. Maps, GPS units, etc will be a must for many if you don't know the terrain. And while the refuel/rewater areas might work for some, it might too far between stops for others. Experienced back country riders should know their limits and ability to meet these challenges.

All this said, though - I do encourage routes to be fairly well known and established. Santa Fe, Taos, & Albuerque rides for example are all relatively close to bail out points should you decide you need to.

For you Richard? Ride with Sportsman...he'll get you squared away.

[Timo]

I've looked at the Calender and backed out of a 4/22 commitment.
I left the SFBFL out for now because I'm not sure if the Gov. will knee jerk a closure again like he did 2 years ago. The snow report up near Taos tells me the Carson NF should be open before Memorial Day at least, if not well past it. Sandias should be in May no doubt.

Anybody else want to step forward....or does this idea get scrapped?

[sportsman]

I can throw Tour de Los Alamos II in the hat. Longer than last year, harder than last year, more fun than last year.

date and route to be announced later, but bring your climbing legs...

I'll get with my people about trail clearing (only one trail needs it) and finalize a route. It'll hurt, it'll probably require placing some liquids out on the course, but I can handle that too..

With this series, there are quite a few people here that are capable of doing damage in other peoples' races, a few free ones that come to mind are the Crested Butte 100 and the Kokopelli trail race. It might be worthwhile to attempt to schedule ours around theirs and then put together some carpools to go play on someone else's trails..

[Timo]

Originally Posted by sportsman

I can throw Tour de Los Alamos II in the hat. Longer than last year, harder than last year, more fun than last year.

I'm not sure of a date yet, have to get with my people about trail clearing (only one trail needs it) and finalize a route. It'll hurt, it'll probably require placing some liquids out on the course, but I can handle that too..

With this series, there are quite a few people here that are capable of doing damage in other peoples' races, a few free ones that come to mind are the Crested Butte 100 and the Kokopelli trail race. It might be worthwhile to attempt to schedule ours around theirs and then put together some carpools to go play on someone else's trails..

Thanks Scott!!. That TdLA last year was one a highlight from last year. Heck LA would be great for a couple events- TdLA and a then a Cochiti event (I could drive up very early and make a water/food drop - and we would leave and end in LA for that.)

And the other races/events - you bet amigo. I was thinking of doing Breckenridge, but thats the same day as CB100. Since CB100 is free and closer, it would be great to head up there with a group. I'll bet a few of us Newmessicans can put something together. Same goes for Kokopelli...anyonw want to do that this year?

I set the schedule up to miss most of the big endurance events (kokopelli, leadville, cb/breck, salida, durango, brian head, soul ride, and also the iron horse)

[sportsman]

Originally Posted by Timo

Thanks Scott!!. That TdLA last year was one a highlight from last year. Heck LA would be great for a couple events- TdLA and a then a Cochiti event (I could drive up very early and make a water/food drop - and we would leave and end in LA for that.)

I'll just be adding on to last year's route, maybe mix in a few climbs this time..

Cochiti from here is a good ride (now that I know the lower trails better). The only bad part of is the 4 mile road climb from American Springs to the Dome (and there is n o legal way to avoid it), and then the same 4 mile descent on the way back. skipndizzy and i rode a 3 hour loop last month, but we drove to the dome. riding to and fro adds another 2.5 hours so we may have to pad it somewhere.

maybe this series will be enough to motivate me to ride more regularly

[NuMexJoe]

Riding around Chihuahua would be awesome if we could pull off a semi-organized trip. Not sure what I could do WRT to helping you make it happen, but I'm certainly willing to pitch in.
- Joe

[NuMexJoe]

You know I'm willing to help out on a LA ride, although if it's before July, I may opt not to ride the whole thang. This knee issue and surgery has me in worse shape than I've been in several years. As you plan a route, it may be prudent to map out a fallback that avoids NFS land. WRT to other topic, no racing for me, but I'll be an athletic supporter.
- Joe

[sportsman]

Originally Posted by NuMexJoe

You know I'm willing to help out on a LA ride, although if it's before July, I may opt not to ride the whole thang. This knee issue and surgery has me in worse shape than I've been in several years. As you plan a route, it may be prudent to map out a fallback that avoids NFS land. WRT to other topic, no racing for me, but I'll be an athletic supporter.
- Joe

Forest closures can affect date and route. I have already thought outt he first 4 to 5 hours worth of route, not sure about the final half (he he). Will definitely be a good course for people that don't want to do the entire ride.

SSweetleaf, I'm not sure how to say this, but I don't know if this will be ssable. I'll let you know as we get closer. The gear requirement for the first half will render the last half boring..

[Timo]

Originally Posted by NuMexJoe

You know I'm willing to help out on a LA ride, although if it's before July, I may opt not to ride the whole thang. This knee issue and surgery has me in worse shape than I've been in several years. As you plan a route, it may be prudent to map out a fallback that avoids NFS land. WRT to other topic, no racing for me, but I'll be an athletic supporter.
- Joe

Hey Joe - hope the knee gets better and sorry to hear about the surgery.

Cool thing about these rides/semi-races is if you want "credit", then ride the whole darn thing. If you know shortcuts and don't care about "credit" for completing the event, then go for it. Just be honest, of course. Hell, I'm glad you showed up and will be thrilled to swap stories at the post ride beer!

The point being is that these are planned Group 'A' rides/semi-races but B and C riders can imporvise on their own...or post on the MTBR announcements and form up accordingly. The host makes the rules for that day, btw - so each event could be different.

No big hassle here...and like I said - everyone will be on the honors system, because after all this is about pushing our limits, taking on challenges, and improving ourselves. So what if you don't complete the full course?...for some, just completing part of it will be a personal best, and reason to try the next one. (better than "trying" and not finishing at Leadville and being out $275! - these are free!)

Besides, you're an animal. I don't know why you couldn't knock a few of these out as the knee gets better. Jim Beam, AndyN, and others here too.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by sportsman

Forest closures can affect date and route. I have already thought outt he first 4 to 5 hours worth of route, not sure about the final half (he he). Will definitely be a good course for people that don't want to do the entire ride.

SSweetleaf, I'm not sure how to say this, but I don't know if this will be ssable. I'll let you know as we get closer. The gear requirement for the first half will render the last half boring..

If you guys want we could have one or two events SS only. :-)

[sportsman]

Originally Posted by Timo

. The host makes the rules for that day, btw - so each event could be different.

TdLA II rule #1. Don't drop the host.
TdLA II rule #2. If you break rule 1, you won't know the route, you will receive no credit, and you have to buy all post-ride libations..

[Timo]

Originally Posted by sportsman

TdLA II rule #1. Don't drop the host.
TdLA II rule #2. If you break rule 1, you won't know the route, you will receive no credit, and you have to buy all post-ride libations..

Like any of us can actually drop you.

Yeah with LA I sort of figured it had to be that way. SF, for example, tends to be much different though with ~5k climbs and ~5k descents - people are all over the place!

[sportsman]

I'll probably spend the previous week trying to mark major trail choices, but it'll be difficult explaining the route. Lots of trails.

[Timo]

Anyone want to start working on a t-shirt/jersey/hat or whatever - design for those that complete 3 of the events? Those that do complete, get the honor of having to buy their own stuff! ha! ;-)

New Mexico Triple Crown

[sportsman]

Originally Posted by Timo

[color=blue]6/24/2006 - open

This date is no longer open (but the may date is)

Waiting a month will give the FS a chance to clear Guaje Ridge, it'll give NMJoe another month to recover, it'll give the closet roadies the opportunity to ride LA and ride the SF Century, and it'll give us a nice day of climbing with plenty of time to recover before the free CB100 on July 15.

so all in all it's a

winner..winner..chicken dinner...

see you then,

[Timo]

go to end of thread for updated calender

[mtbnewguy]

for the open dates...

[Timo]

Originally Posted by mtbnewguy

for the open dates...

Great to have you - I remember your nice Chupa race report late last year. Anyway just check this posting for information. If there is interest, then we will hold these, but it has to be a group effort.

[Timo]

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[LCdaveH]

Originally Posted by Timo

[SIZE=3]October ?? - Las Cruces Enduro Event (Las Cruces, LCDaveH)[/SIZE]

Looking at September 2, October 1, or October 22 for a South NM event.

Option 1 - The Dona Ana Double Dose. South and North DA loops with up to 50 miles distance, almost all of which is single track.

There is additional terra incognito singletrack milage going north to Radium Springs, but some of those trails are officially "CLOSED!" by our ranch friends at NIMZOO. I assume we want to use legal riding areas. A shame - there is some epic sweet stuff up there.

Option 2 - The Robledos Rideabout. Head out on climbing-rolling jeep road across the Robledos then a turnabout and finish up with a ride out through the SST singletrack. At present, I have very little recon on the jeep road. I'll be checking it out this season. A complete SST loop is epic in itself, but sort of slow going and low mileage.

I lean to Option 1.

The Chupacabras 100km seems to be set for Sunday October 8. That would leave Oct. 15as anothter possible date. October 29 is a no go for me.

I'm assuming Sundays are the preferred ride day. October 22 is probably my preferred date.

.d.

[Timo]

Originally Posted by LCdaveH

Looking at September 2, October 1, or October 22 for a South NM event.

Option 1 - The Dona Ana Double Dose. South and North DA loops with up to 50 miles distance, almost all of which is single track.

There is additional terra incognito singletrack milage going north to Radium Springs, but some of those trails are officially "CLOSED!" by our ranch friends at NIMZOO. I assume we want to use legal riding areas. A shame - there is some epic sweet stuff up there.

Option 2 - The Robledos Rideabout. Head out on climbing-rolling jeep road across the Robledos then a turnabout and finish up with a ride out through the SST singletrack. At present, I have very little recon on the jeep road. I'll be checking it out this season. A complete SST loop is epic in itself, but sort of slow going and low mileage.

I lean to Option 1.

The Chupacabras 100km seems to be set for Sunday October 8. That would leave Oct. 15as anothter possible date. October 29 is a no go for me.

I'm assuming Sundays are the preferred ride day. October 22 is probably my preferred date.

.d.

Your call on the route. The 22nd is the date of the Soul Ride 100. Just a thought - but you guys work so well in November.....October is hard for us northerners to leave the fall colors. Sept-Oct is usually a time you just can't get out in the mountains enough!

That said - what about starting in Cloudcroft - climbing on of the dirt roads up to the rim, riding the rim trail, then descending OSHA trail or something else, then of course dirt roads back to Cloudcroft. That would be a fall epic.

[LCdaveH]

Originally Posted by Timo

Your call on the route. The 22nd is the date of the Soul Ride 100. Just a thought - but you guys work so well in November.....October is hard for us northerners to leave the fall colors. Sept-Oct is usually a time you just can't get out in the mountains enough!

That said - what about starting in Cloudcroft - climbing on of the dirt roads up to the rim, riding the rim trail, then descending OSHA trail or something else, then of course dirt roads back to Cloudcroft. That would be a fall epic.

Well, I certainly don't want to conflict with the Soul Ride; I might even be foolish enough to try to do it.

With November on the table for scheduling, I propose November 5, with Nov. 12 as a backup. Hopefully, we can avoid our traditional mid-late November cold front/rainy stuff.

If I tried to coordinate a Cloudcroft epic, the only thing I could guarantee is that everyone would end up lost. Maybe I'll have a chance for some recon up there this May/June/July.

Speaking of South NM Mountain epic rides, Silver City's got some sweetness. I'm looking forward to revisiting the Tadpole Ridge and related area this season. That could be a two day adventure with Tadpole on the Sat and the Signal Peak Challenge trails on the Sunday.

[Timo]

updated calender at end of thread

[glenzx]

Here's a few I see, but as noted, ought not to affect most of the folks interested in the rides / challenges...

Socorro NMORS race (already discussed in other thread) / SYDC. (4/15/06)

Hillsboro RR ( I know - few will have any problems with THAT conflict, but since my buddy is organizing it...) / (4/22/06)

The SF Century is one, and on top of that is the same weekend as the infamous Chile Challenge at Angel Fire / (5/22/06)

There's a few others, but these are the ones I personally have conflicts with - but is of little consequence and only as a side-note here.

FWIW, I think the CB100 is July 15th (hint hint).

[Timo]

Originally Posted by glenzx

Here's a few I see, but as noted, ought not to affect most of the folks interested in the rides / challenges...

Socorro NMORS race (already discussed in other thread) / SYDC. (4/15/06)

Hillsboro RR ( I know - few will have any problems with THAT conflict, but since my buddy is organizing it...) / (4/22/06)

The SF Century is one, and on top of that is the same weekend as the infamous Chile Challenge at Angel Fire / (5/22/06)

There's a few others, but these are the ones I personally have conflicts with - but is of little consequence and only as a side-note here.

FWIW, I think the CB100 is July 15th (hint hint).

We each will have some conflicts and I doubt any one person will be able to attend all of these.. For my part I am only volunteering to lead the ones that fit my schedule.

Therefore I say people who want to participate, but have schedule conflicts, should lead one or two rides/semi races, claim their dates and run with them. And since they are the host, they get to define the endurance event as they want it to be. Yep, pretty simple rules here.

So what is the fanta se crystal worshippin crowd going to do?

Organize something with CB100 soon, or I'm bailing to Breckenridge that weekend like my original plan.

M

[lynette]

I wrote a while ago suggesting a ride through Chihuahua. I just got back from a quick trip. We started thinking about routes, etc. Here's our plan: we'd do an 8-day trip at the beginning of July, starting in El Paso, down to Julimez (hot springs, waterfalls, and fossils, over to Horcasitas --> San Pedro --> Delicias, a drive to La Sinforosa (Grand Canyon-like area), ride to Guadalupe y Calvo --> Mohinora (the highest peak in northern Mexico) and then drive back up to El Paso. (If you're not familiar with the state, we'd go from the top to the bottom...I'm not sure how many miles it is.)

It would entail a lot of driving, a lot of riding, and mostly camping--except in the last spot where we can stay in some cabins. We're ridden in all of these areas, it's challenging and (but) can be modified.

I thought I'd throw it out there that way if there is an interest I can start planning it. I know 8 days can be a lot, and it will be kind of expensive--the plan is to rent/borrow a 15-passenger van, take a truck and trailer, and then have a friend/Red Cross guy ride behind us in a four wheeler. The total cost would include camp gear, food, drink, snacks, highway tolls, gas, Mexican travel insurance, bike stuff, etc. We've already found some wonderful cooks to ride along and do the cooking/clean up for us.

We're estimating $800/each if about 12 people go--this is about $100/day. Anyone interested can write to me at
lynettep_us@yahoo.com

thanks

[Timo]

Originally Posted by lynette

I wrote a while ago suggesting a ride through Chihuahua. I just got back from a quick trip. We started thinking about routes, etc. Here's our plan: we'd do an 8-day trip at the beginning of July, starting in El Paso, down to Julimez (hot springs, waterfalls, and fossils, over to Horcasitas --> San Pedro --> Delicias, a drive to La Sinforosa (Grand Canyon-like area), ride to Guadalupe y Calvo --> Mohinora (the highest peak in northern Mexico) and then drive back up to El Paso. (If you're not familiar with the state, we'd go from the top to the bottom...I'm not sure how many miles it is.)

It would entail a lot of driving, a lot of riding, and mostly camping--except in the last spot where we can stay in some cabins. We're ridden in all of these areas, it's challenging and (but) can be modified.

I thought I'd throw it out there that way if there is an interest I can start planning it. I know 8 days can be a lot, and it will be kind of expensive--the plan is to rent/borrow a 15-passenger van, take a truck and trailer, and then have a friend/Red Cross guy ride behind us in a four wheeler. The total cost would include camp gear, food, drink, snacks, highway tolls, gas, Mexican travel insurance, bike stuff, etc. We've already found some wonderful cooks to ride along and do the cooking/clean up for us.

We're estimating $800/each if about 12 people go--this is about $100/day. Anyone interested can write to me at
lynettep_us@yahoo.com

thanks

Sounds fun...but more time than I can commit. I've been to Delicias before - although can't remember it - I *think* it was on the way to Parral?

Anyway passing through Villa Ahumada and picking up quesadillas with the menonnita cheese makes this whole trip entirely difficult to turn down. Well, that and the sopas at El Rotablo in Chihuahua...and the Tacos de Cabrito in Parral. (who says tacos can't be made of goat?) Finish with Borrigas in Cd. Juarez..... man i could eat my way around Chihuahua! ;-)

[Timo]

Reminder - The first event is the San Ysidro Dirty Century - April 15th.

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=176967

[Timo]

cancelled

[glenzx]

Originally Posted by Timo

So what is the fanta se crystal worshippin crowd going to do?

Not sure about the whole crowd - but I'm doing a bunch of boring XC hammer fests with large groups of people in large events in sanctioned races around the rockies, and a few good, long, endurance informal type rides too.

I've found that I do not have the strength / stamina to do as many events in as rapid succesion as I'd like, so will leave the week-after-week mania to those more able to cope with that extreme demand on time and body. It took me a full month to feel fully right after Old Pueblo... and many days after the NOVA endurance race. Of course, when I'm in 'real' races the intensity may just be at a higher level doing that much more damage, because I'm a fool and can't help but go out full-blast. YOU are just plain nuts to start a season by doing back-to-back-to-back endurance events three weeks in a row. SYDC, Mulholland, and then the WDR...? I'm not worthy!

Originally Posted by Timo

Organize something with CB100 soon, or I'm bailing to Breckenridge that weekend like my original plan.

M

I tried, but Scott said "ease up" more or less.

I'm going, sounds like Scott wants to also, as do a number of Bike n Sport fellas.

What else is there to organize?

I'll start a thread, oh - say in June sometime and go from there. The date is squared away, and we can make plans as it draws closer and the folks who are serious about it have confirmed plans. Lot's of great camping, lots of reasonably priced lodging too, with a good sized group. Presto! Plan is 3/4's set up.

Breckenridge looks good too, but seems like it's a bit more formal now what with THAT race/series becoming [part of] a series now - so each event will have it's pros and cons. CB seems like a similar event as the ones we're kicking around here... and given the option of spending time in either place - I'll pick the area furthest from Denver!

[Timo]

Originally Posted by glenzx

...... to start a season by doing back-to-back-to-back endurance events

What the hell is a season? Is that something related to training?

Thats good enough for me on the CB100 - although the KC Crew is thinking of Breck and if they say yes then I won't miss that! Besides I RELAX at these events...try it, you just might like it.

[glenzx]

Originally Posted by Timo

Besides I RELAX at these events...try it, you just might like it.

OK, as a self-admitted racer-boy / weenie, it is not in my nature to relax at a race. I am there to push myself just short of my ultimate breaking point. I like it. I cherish it. The pain and mental focus and intensity are truly cathartic. I am an adict. I am faster, more skilled, fitter, and get more out of my precious saddle time with an occasional race thrown in the mix, and enjoy it all immensely!

At informal events/rides? I easily reach a Neo(ala Matrix)-like zen state of relaxation and focus and do not beat up on my bretheren, but enjoy the company and camaraderie and the relaxed pace.

Hope we all crew-up for CB100. If you end up at Breck, sounds like it'll be an equally as fun trip. Rough life we have, eh? Picking fun events out...

[Timo]

Anyway..anbody have comments on the Watermelon ride?

[glenzx]

Originally Posted by Timo

Anyway..anbody have comments on the Watermelon ride?

Oh that!

Sounds incredible, Matt - another epic monster of a ride it would seem. I know about 1/3rd of the trails and no idea how well they link up, but trust it's amazing.

It is very likely I can make it too - so I better start studying the maps.

[Timo]

Hi everyone.

Turnout was GREAT for the SYDC considering the route and weekend. Not exactly a challenging course, but more or less a good endurance challenge to start things off. Now things will get really interesting though as the Sandias, Santa Fe, Los alamos and Taos events are coming up.
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[sportsman]

having done one of these, is anyone else concerned about doing the TdLA II the week before either the CB100 or the Breck 100? that's a lot of miles and vertical in a 7 day period.. Should we move the LA date forward a week or two?

[Timo]

Originally Posted by sportsman

having done one of these, is anyone else concerned about doing the TdLA II the week before either the CB100 or the Breck 100? that's a lot of miles and vertical in a 7 day period.. Should we move the LA date forward a week or two?

I'm not opposed to any changes, Scott. Whatcha got in mind?

I have an idea that *might* be of interest:

1. Do TdLAII in June in lieu of DBT?
2. Do DBT on 7/15 in lieu of CB/Breck. Those 2 CO races would be fun, but damn the DBT is epic and it's in our own back yard. For me it's the premeir ride in NM. Maybe we all ought just to head up to Taos and hold our own event that weekend?

Dunno what you guys think about this......if not though, pick a time for the TdLAII that works for you. Ity is such an epic event in itself that we certainly can't scale back or diminish it because of another event.

[sportsman]

moving tdLAII to June works for me.

I'm still planning on the CB100. I'd prefer to do the DBT later in the year to enjoy the golden aspens.

[Mtn. Biker123]

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[sportsman]

Originally Posted by Mtn. Biker123

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