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Old 11-09-2005   #1
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Full Suspension SS ??????

I know, I know, singles are supposed to be rigid and painful but I have an idea anyway. Has anyone ever heard of or tried out a single with a suspension? maybe like 5" of travel. I know their are inherent problems with the chain but what about designs that pivot around the bottom bracket shell? Could you use a bike with this design, add an old derailer to hold a little extra chain and make it work? I'm getting a little sick of adjusting the tranny on my all mountain bike and often take my single out just for simplicities sake.
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Kona A

Kona makes a full-suspension singlespeed frame: the "A'

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You could convert a full suspension bike but you do need to use a tensioning device which can adjust for the chain slack as a result of the suspension movement's effect on chain length. An old derailleur would work fine.
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A search should yield some pics

Do a search, this topic has come up a fair bit. It's a cool idea I've often thought about. I've see FS Kelin Mantra SS's, Catamount SS's, lot's of softail pivotless designs, and others. Mostly have URT or pivot around the BB. Pedal bob will be your worst enemy on a SS so look at a stable platform shock if you do a convert or a Kona A.

If you convert a regular FS bike, you'll not only need a tensioner but I'd suggest something like chain guides to keep the chain on the rings. (sandwich them)

Below is a convert I did last year with an old derailleur as a tensioner but I lost the chain on every rocky descent. I shortend the chain and I came up with some chain guides to sandwich the rear cog and front derailleur and it worked great. I hated the chain slap though. If I had a load of cash - I'd do one of the DEAN Ace frames with the pivot aroud the BB.
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Been SS'ing this for quite a few years:

If you search FS SS, you'l find others.
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Here's mine. I've been riding it for only a few weeks now. I swapped the fork with a Marz Marathon S and it's much nicer. A better balance b/c I can make it a little more stiff to make up for the bob. I have a lock out on the rear shock so when climbing I just use that. I've also shortened the chain by a couple of links and it seems to be holding better of late. Once I get a non-ramped front ring, I think all will be well.

There are other more detailed pics somewhere on this board too.
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Been there

My old full suspension SS. I converted a GT i-drive to SS, and turned the rotating BB into an EBB by removing the suspension link, so no tensioner was ever needed. Eventually the frame cracked and I bought a Unit.

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Holly crap I am in love with that GT full suspension....I never really got how that I drive stuff worked but I love the look of that GT. Where did the frame crack? Please post some more pics of it. Lets turn this thread into a full suspension pic thread. I also love the pro-flex, there is something so unique about a FS SS.
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I know, I know, singles are supposed to be rigid and painful...
You are mis-informed. Rigid does not necessarily mean painful and singlespeeds do not have to be either.
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I used to have two Schwinn Homegrown FS singlespeed bikes - URT design. They worked great.

Now I have a Lenzsport that uses the concentric bottom bracket pivot point.
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You are mis-informed. Rigid does not necessarily mean painful and singlespeeds do not have to be either.
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Old 11-09-2005   #11
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Been SS'ing this for quite a few years:

If you search FS SS, you'l find others.
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correct me if i'm wrong but they used to make (unless they are still making 05's)...no A for 2006 at least not as a frame alone...and doesn't look like as a fully assembled either
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agaaaiin?

It usually gets attention. Not too many FS SSs out there.
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Some pictures

Cracked at the weld, usual failure I suppose.

The EBB, drilled and tapped the i-drive for set screws to lock the EBB.

Rode it all over the place, including epics.
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Old 11-09-2005   #15
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One of my aims for 2006 is pull a FS SS out of the bag. At this stage I'll probably end up doing a very unfashionable steel URT.

Well, someone has to do it now that Ibis has turned to poo.

Anyway, who said SS had to be about simplicity? Honestly, its about having fun and hurting yourself senseless.

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Fisher Joshua FS SS

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I know, I know, singles are supposed to be rigid and painful but I have an idea anyway. Has anyone ever heard of or tried out a single with a suspension? maybe like 5" of travel. I know their are inherent problems with the chain but what about designs that pivot around the bottom bracket shell? Could you use a bike with this design, add an old derailer to hold a little extra chain and make it work? I'm getting a little sick of adjusting the tranny on my all mountain bike and often take my single out just for simplicities sake.
Thoughts?


I recently converted my old Fisher Joshua F1 to SS. It has the URT design so chainline length issues are not a problem. It allso has an older SID rear shock with on the fly lockout. I think you kind of need it on a FS SS even with a stable platform shock (My 05 Dawg Primo has it). I have to say that I love to ride this bike as every time I hop on it, it's like an old friend but, if I were to build a new SS I think I would build a hardtail. I am finding that I am riding it locked out more than not.
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Kona makes a full-suspension singlespeed frame: the "A'

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These were sold out 6 months ago. Both shops and kona's website. There was a 16" on mtnr classifieds about a month ago, and a few 18's on ebay 2 months ago.

Anyone have pics of the new '06 model? Its not in the 06 frameshop lineup. I heard rumor of it being at interbike, but no pics yet. I was told by kona via email that there is a US only version of the A frame due out this fall. Haven't seen it yet. Im getting real close to buying a Lenz if I don't hear SOMETHING about the Kona A real soon.
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Nevermind. Found it.

'06 A frame from interbike



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i suppose you could make any hardtail SS into full suspension with a Cane Creek Thudbuster...3" of travel and no chain adjustments...just not so great in the cold cold months.
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I did it like this...

My Titus Motolite was ss for a bit
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PACMAN........
WOw that is quite the crack. What are you riding now?
Lets keep those pics comming I love looking at them.
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how did the titus work? since you said an SS for a "bit" I'm guessing not quite perfect?
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It worked quite well actually. I did it for one race as kind of a novelty. I left it that way for a month or so, but I put the gears back on and hung it back in the garage where it has been since I got my new Dambala. In March.
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Here is Spider SS @ 4", retired it 3 months ago, after 1 year service, no problems. Now riding 5" version will post pic later.
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Old 11-12-2005   #26
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That is a crazy nice bike. I love those Raceface cranks.
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works ok

wont bob,flexes a little.
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The pic I got from Kona frameshop the bike was called Cowan not A
name change? I dunno but i'm trying to order one right now!

The A didn't seem tough enough for DJ/Street but this one looks sweet!

linkage: Kona Cowan
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Fr-ds-ss

A few months ago I saw a Freeride Dual Suspension bike at bikes in more in dallas, I think it was a an intense or something like that, no tensioner. It stuck out to me because I only saw the brake levers on the bars. It looked pretty sweet.
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The pic I got from Kona frameshop the bike was called Cowan not A
name change? I dunno but i'm trying to order one right now!

The A didn't seem tough enough for DJ/Street but this one looks sweet!

linkage: Kona Cowan
Different bikes. The 2006 "A" has not been posted yet and it is a XC frame. The Cowan FS is the jump bike.
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Nice!

Dude, you have a POOL?

I'm there.

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Different bikes. The 2006 "A" has not been posted yet and it is a XC frame. The Cowan FS is the jump bike.

The old Cowan was pretty Rad, the new one with DS may be as well, but I think its ment to be geared
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The old Cowan was pretty Rad, the new one with DS may be as well, but I think its ment to be geared

it's simpy an A with the Kona Clump front end, sliding drop outs and a pivot around the BB
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Here is another sweet FS SS.
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Here is another sweet FS SS.

Sweet toyota200x! I love my Sugar SS. I truely think GF could market it as a FS SS. Since I got the chain legnth figured out, I've only dropped it 3 or 4 X's. That's riding it twice a week for about 6 weeks now. Not too shabby! Plus I threw my Marathon on it and it rides even niver now.
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Ok, I had to get in on this-how about some riding impressions on the Kona A ?
I t looks like a great idea,is weight a concern ? I am sold on the idea of building up a short travel SS ,either using the A or taking a geared frame and converting it.
I think the old Trek Y bike might work well also,has anyone tried that?
By the way,I currently ride a couple singlespeeds a Gt hardtail and a rigid Gary fisher (steel)
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It usually gets attention. Not too many FS SSs out there.


Nice pool, it looks like the back drop for a porn movie.
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Another GT conversion - my '93 RTS-1. Not FSSS though... rigid fork... RSSS.

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i-drive singlespeed

Here's my contribution. i-drive ss, just took the dogbone out, pulled the eccentric tight, and locked it in place with some 2$ hardware from The Home Depot (big saturday planned - wasn't sure I'd have TIME.)

It bobs a little, esp when you stand and hammer on it. Pretty fun though.
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Our local shop here in Charlotte NC has a used Kona A frame for sale.
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Our local shop here in Charlotte NC has a used Kona A frame for sale.

what size and how much? can I get a phone number?
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What is the weight on that frame? How does it ride?

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don't forget the cove g-spot, great FR/DH singlespeed...

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Trek Y-bike
I've seen them ss'ed before
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not for XC!!

Here is another.... Brooklyn Machine Works Looks heavy but strong!

For me this bike would be perfect...
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Here is another.... Brooklyn Machine Works Looks heavy but strong!

For me this bike would be perfect...

Those are some neat looking bikes.
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Another Klein Mantra

Not my bike. Found photo on old CD I burned in 2004.
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Catamount URT frames for $144!

If anyone is looking to make a FS SS from sctratch, I just saw some Catamount URT frames at Cambria. They are $145 for the frame only and $499 built up with crappy parts. Might make a good start to a cheap build. The dropouts look very meaty, you could probably even do some dremel work to run without a tensioner. I have no stake in Cambria, just passing on the info!
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My FS SS is 40 years old

... and it's a road bike

I have heard that the Giant Trance has only about 1mm of chain growth throughout its suspension arc. This is close enough for a SS conversion.

(My road bike is a Moulton)
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Haro Sonix begs to be SS

BB pivot make the new Haro Sonix a candidate for FS SS. Plus - stable platform makes it ideal for SS. I hope to see one of you enterprising SS'rs make it happen.
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I know, I know, singles are supposed to be rigid and painful but I have an idea anyway. Has anyone ever heard of or tried out a single with a suspension? maybe like 5" of travel. I know their are inherent problems with the chain but what about designs that pivot around the bottom bracket shell? Could you use a bike with this design, add an old derailer to hold a little extra chain and make it work? I'm getting a little sick of adjusting the tranny on my all mountain bike and often take my single out just for simplicities sake.
Thoughts?

I recently skimmed the "Horst Link" patents and was surprised to see that all the claims require multiple gears. So it appears someone could make and sell an SS bike with a Horst Link without having to pay royalties to Specialized. Perhaps you'd need some kind of tensioning device though.
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The Kona A looks pretty nice. What is the full deal on that bike, I have not been able to find much information on it. Is it hard to get one of these frames? Is there an 06 version coming out? Any general reviews?
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Go to konaworld.com

Plenty of info...
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I used to have two Schwinn Homegrown FS singlespeed bikes - URT design. They worked great.

Now I have a Lenzsport that uses the concentric bottom bracket pivot point.

that's a hot bike..nice
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The Kona A looks pretty nice. What is the full deal on that bike, I have not been able to find much information on it. Is it hard to get one of these frames? Is there an 06 version coming out? Any general reviews?

I have an 06. They didn't put it on their site in the Frame Shop because they are not selling it in Europe. At least that's what Kona told me...
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The Kona A looks pretty nice. What is the full deal on that bike, I have not been able to find much information on it. Is it hard to get one of these frames? Is there an 06 version coming out? Any general reviews?


Try the Cowan DS... basically the same bike, but with a 'clump' from triangle
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Just contacted a local shop, and they said kona only has the 2003 A frame in stock, and that the price would probably be around $1000 (just for the frame). hmmm that seems a t'wee bit pricey.
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Here's mine >

It's an old pic posted before by TheRedMantra. I used it all through last summer - it's funny how people laugh at it at the trail-head. They don't laugh when I blow by 'em on the trails, though I'm slowly working on an SS Attitude as we speak, amongst other things.



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Old 02-16-2006   #68
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I as well saw that frame and am interested. has anyone heard anything about this frame? the postings on the reviews look promising. I'm afraid there may be pedal bob though. Any thoughts before I pull the trigger?


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If anyone is looking to make a FS SS from sctratch, I just saw some Catamount URT frames at Cambria. They are $145 for the frame only and $499 built up with crappy parts. Might make a good start to a cheap build. The dropouts look very meaty, you could probably even do some dremel work to run without a tensioner. I have no stake in Cambria, just passing on the info!
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I'll have some pics up soon of my '99 fsr full suspension singlle speed. I should have it built this weekend, as the fork just arrived. I'm using the Melvin. It is all blue...hehe...
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I ride a rigid SS for the reason that I hated Bob...Now this FS SS is quiet interesting...how do you ride a FS SS bike compare to a rigid one specially on the climbs???
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She'll be more blue as the year goes on...cranks, wheels, etc..

Pretty light at the moment, but could be a few hairs lighter...have to balance between blue and light sometimes. Yeah I know...

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I found this pic from 2003. No idea who's bike it is but it's Sano!
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SanAnMan, can you please post where you found this and any info? THIS is the one I've been looking for! Can anyone see the website on the chainstay? Thanks
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I've been spinnin around on my Stumpy FS 30yr anniversary Special ed for a couple years. Built it back to gears and picked up an 06" Stumpy. Can't go wrong with a Fox Triad propedal and Talas RL 130. 5 and 5.
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Didn't upload the first time. I've been spinnin around on my Stumpy FS 30yr anniversary Special ed for a couple years. Built it back to gears and picked up an 06" Stumpy. Can't go wrong with a Fox Triad propedal and Talas RL 130. 5 and 5.
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SanAnMan, can you please post where you found this and any info? THIS is the one I've been looking for! Can anyone see the website on the chainstay? Thanks
That bike is a newzealand brand called Lahar. They don't make them any more. I tried to get one just after they closed.
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Well, it's a pretty ugly bike, but it is a FS SS. I feel a little silly riding it around, but its a comfy bike when the hammering gets rough.

Is it lame to ride a FS SS?
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SanAnMan, can you please post where you found this and any info? THIS is the one I've been looking for! Can anyone see the website on the chainstay? Thanks

The pic is dated 4/18/2003. It looks like someone has the name and model for you here in this thread so you should be golden. Sorry I can't help more.
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Thanks SanAnMan and shwinboy. I was able to make contact with Lahar who informed me their molds had mysteriously disappeared a short time ago. They have started up production ounce again and I'm checking on availability. I think this wouild make an awesome FS/SS 29er. Too Cool!

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Thanks SanAnMan and shwinboy. I was able to make contact with Lahar who informed me their molds had mysteriously disappeared a short time ago. They have started up production ounce again and I'm checking on availability. I think this wouild make an awesome FS/SS 29er. Too Cool!

Thanks again.

Thats a FS? how? maybe I am just no seeing the invisible shock and links in there... looks like it would just snap when the going got rough... one hell of a sweet looking bike though!
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Thats a FS? how? maybe I am just no seeing the invisible shock and links in there... looks like it would just snap when the going got rough... one hell of a sweet looking bike though!
It has flexable chain stays. It has about 1 -1.5" of deflection. In reviews I read they said it also twisted on off camber trails but couldn't say if this was a bad thing. I would have thought it would cause chain drop issues myself. Any way Lahar have been out of buisness a couple of years now which is a pitty since they had this bike and a very nice and light carbon G box Dh bike. I think the guy went back to building Cf parts for racing yachts.
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Looks like about 6" travel on this SS beast:
http://www.rambikes.com/CP/freeride.html
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Old 06-28-2006   #83
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i did a race a few weeks ago in hanson hills, michigan. i rode a good portion of the race behind a scalpel ss. i happen to have a scalpel that i hardly ride anymore due to the fact that i've gotten into the 29er ss with a gary fisher rig. i'm thinking that may be a good project for the winter. if anyone has any tips for the conversion that would be great.
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Old 07-01-2006   #84
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Just hammered this one together in June. It is a hoot, on the same trails as my Kona Unit it just rockets over rough stuff where you'd normally have to stand and ride out the root carpets. Kona has/had some 20" 2003 A frames with V-brakes only and horizontal dropouts left in Vancouver. I got this one thru Cove Bikes. There's a bit of bob with standing climbs but oddly enough it seems more comfortable. It hooks up much better on climbs than the Unit did. I think my Unit is now obsolete.
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Any way Lahar have been out of buisness a couple of years now which is a pitty since they had this bike and a very nice and light carbon G box Dh bike. I think the guy went back to building Cf parts for racing yachts.
They're still around. http://www.laharbikes.com/

Ugly as hell, but....
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I have a 2003 Kona A that is setup as an SS and a 2006 Kona A that I am running with a Rohloff rear hub, and the one thing I do find as a difference between the two frames with two different shock lengths with different rocker ratios is the amount of pedal induced suspension compression. If I start off in too big a gear with the 2006 A, I can slowly push the shock through a lot of travel, it really squats. When I'm standing and grunting on the 2003 A with a 34:18, I don't get the same degree suspension squish. Both bikes have Fox RP3's.

The amount of pressure required to get 25% sag on the 2006 A is much less than the 2003. I run about 200PSI in the '03 model to get 25% sag. I run about 165PSI on the '06 to get 25% sag. Even running 25% sag and lower pressure in the shock, the 2006 A seems to have less small bump compliance.

The 2003 with 3.5" of travel and 6"x 1.5" travel shock has a suspension ratio of 2.33:1 and the 2006 with 4" of travel and a 7.875" x 2" travel shock it's a 2:1 ratio.
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I as well saw that frame and am interested. has anyone heard anything about this frame? the postings on the reviews look promising. I'm afraid there may be pedal bob though. Any thoughts before I pull the trigger?

Did it lastyear...






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I have a 05 iron horse yakuza aniki, I have a manitou sherman slider plus 170mm fork and 130mm of travel on the rear. I'm not one for changing alot of gears so on my downhill/freeride bike I put a race face evolve ss crankset on it. Ive had a lot of other riders look at me like and say you have a dhill freeride bike why the hell are you doing that? well it just works better for me. I do not think I'll go 100% single speed but im looking at turn my bike into a 3 or 4 speed and eliminate the gears that I do not use. I say its about the rider and how they feel on there bike, so if you want to go sspeed go for it if you don't, don't...but a full suspension single speed??? why not if i had more leg power I'd probably try it.
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I have a 05 iron horse yakuza aniki, I have a manitou sherman slider plus 170mm fork and 130mm of travel on the rear. I'm not one for changing alot of gears so on my downhill/freeride bike I put a race face evolve ss crankset on it. Ive had a lot of other riders look at me like and say you have a dhill freeride bike why the hell are you doing that? well it just works better for me. I do not think I'll go 100% single speed but im looking at turn my bike into a 3 or 4 speed and eliminate the gears that I do not use. I say its about the rider and how they feel on there bike, so if you want to go sspeed go for it if you don't, don't...but a full suspension single speed??? why not if i had more leg power I'd probably try it.

Nice, my neighbor has the same bike and the same cranks he recently installed. Come to think of it, I think he said he was getting a slider too....wait, is your name Travis too?
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Yes its me lol...I went down Bald mountain saturday and my bike setup felt perfect. The fork is awesome, the bike felt like it was begging for more rocks, air, and ruts n stuff. Best part is that I didn't break any bones this time and comparing riding time from saturday to the first time I rode it...man I shaved 2hrs off how long it took the last time, my friend and I cleared it saturday in 1hr 40minutes not bad for a 10mile ride compared to almost 4hrs the first time. The sand gave me lots of hell though, I'm thinking of how to remedy that issue but I think its really a lack of leg strength...lol The crank being a single ring was perfect I didnt miss the other gear. I do wanna get rid of some of the rear cogs but that will be in due time. Didnt you say you won a ss frame? hows it coming along? drop me a line sometime...travis
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What's up Travis! So it is you, too funny how I figured that one out

I've been wanting to get up with you, but I'm always at work when you are at home and it ends up being too late to call by the time I can get a chance. I got your last message around 10pm that night when I got home. Ellie and I had taken our bikes out for a ride down to the ice cream place on main st. and the light was still on in the garage.

The frame is coming along great, it is a 2006 Kona Explosif. I've had it built up as a SS from the get go and have put about 100 miles on it already.

That Bald Mtn. ride sounds great. We need to do one of those rides soon...perhaps even saturday? I'm going to be out there already with some friends so I could skip out to ride for a while.
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Sat would be great, but before I could say a definite I'll have to see if my parents would watch my son for me. Charity is going to be at kings dominion saturday with her cell group from church. Can you give me an idea of what time you wanna put the rubber to the trail? and I'll work around that. Well I'll check back around 230pm tomorrow and see if you dropped me a line. Have a good night.
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Timing is a good question, not sure what the plan is with everyone who is going out to sherando. Give me a call tommorow and we will hash it all out. For now, we should relinquish our thread jacking abilities and keep drooling over the FSSS's in this here thread
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I've never ridden one, but it seems like it would be self defeating. Full rigid works well with SS because there's no suspension to soak up the energy from your pedal strokes, so it seems like a FS would sap much of your energy, which is not what you want especially when you're climbing.

But I suppose if you're one of the shuttle up, bomb down types, running a FS with a big gear would make sense.

Just doesn't seem to make sense from an efficiency standpoint.
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Here's mine- absolute blast to ride! There's a thread on it here:
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Nice Honus, I was actually thinking of posting yours over here myself.
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this is a picture of my downhill /freeride bike, im not looking at making it a complete single speed, more like a 3 or 4 speed....gears i hate them, bikes just come with to many!
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Saw this pic - kinda FS.
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Raleigh Ram 1500 XT - FS SS

So I went to Bicycle Village a few weeks ago... you see - it was their annual 'tent sale' - in hopes to find a decent price on a road bike for commuting.

Well after deciding I didn't want to spend $800 on a entry level road bike - which I couldn't convince myself I would find the time to ride - I took one last minute to look at the rental returns.

Low and behold - there sat a 3 year old Raleigh Full Suspension bike - all the parts were there (XT - LX components + hydraulic disc, etc) - some needing work - but what the heck -

how much I ask... $99 As IS they say! --- I'll take it !

3 weeks and about $300 later - I now have a FS/SS
  • I had to get the rear shock rebuilt ( which manitou/answer did for free )
  • I took the shimano disc brakes off and put them on my GT I-Drive Race ( all I had to do was add pads and bleed the brakes)
  • Bought a set of Avid BB7's off craigslist
  • And a set of Shimano/Sun Rims from Performance
  • A Forte chain tensioner
and viola - it's a bonafide Single Speed commuter!

KICK A$$!

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