I gave up a complete 2008 XT/XTR setup that’s lighter and works brilliantly so this better be good, so far on a short road ride it felt great. Black Shimano Alfine 8spd hub with Surly Singleator tensioner and Race Face bash guard. Also had a Hutchinson Toro 1.85/2.15 tire combo put on which explains the delightful amount of mud clearance on the back compared to the Michelin’s.
First ride was Sunday, with its extras like a Surly Singleator chain tensioner, Race Face bash guard which I probably didn’t need and Sram SS chain which again I probably didn’t need it weights quite a bit more than the old XT/XTR setup but so long as it stays as good as the first ride I wouldn’t change it for anything. The bike feels a bit weird at the moment because I’ve now got a strong, solid feeling rear rim and a front rim best described as flimsy that you can physically see flexing on tight corners but I’ll have that fixed soon and I’ll have some lighter bits to compensate for the weight increase. Anyway, as others have said the shift is so slick you hardly notice it, all the gears feel super smooth, the hub is completely silent which I love, to my surprise it spins freely after hardly any use, it always shifts when pedalling although it does take a little longer if your really pedalling hard, the shifter works in reverse of a normal derailleur type shifter in that you release the smaller lever get into easier gears etc which I think I will be able to get used to, the highest gear is just about perfect for the fast XC riding in my area but I haven’t had a chance to take it to more challenging terrain to try out the lower gears yet. I’m running 18T rear cog and 32T front and I also put a set of Hutchinson Toro 1.85 & 2.15 tires on to improve mud performance over the Michelin dry weather tires previously on there.
Not exactly the best backdrop, but I was tired after towing the other bike on the trailer. A lot of bash rings from everyone out there so far. I'd have to run one on the inside of the chainring because of the Rohloff chainline, and I'm not quite sure that's legal to do.
I cannot shake the desire to build an IGH trail bike. I built a 1x7 with Saint rear mech to try to take the edge off. Love the bike, but here I am drooling on this thread.
Inglis 29 Rohloff with Paragon sliders.
Curtis updated the frame that I have had since 2002 with a new rear triangle for Paragon sliders and Rohloff cable routing.
First ride was Sunday, with its extras like a Surly Singleator chain tensioner, Race Face bash guard which I probably didn’t need and Sram SS chain which again I probably didn’t need it weights quite a bit more than the old XT/XTR setup but so long as it stays as good as the first ride I wouldn’t change it for anything. The bike feels a bit weird at the moment because I’ve now got a strong, solid feeling rear rim and a front rim best described as flimsy that you can physically see flexing on tight corners but I’ll have that fixed soon and I’ll have some lighter bits to compensate for the weight increase. Anyway, as others have said the shift is so slick you hardly notice it, all the gears feel super smooth, the hub is completely silent which I love, to my surprise it spins freely after hardly any use, it always shifts when pedalling although it does take a little longer if your really pedalling hard, the shifter works in reverse of a normal derailleur type shifter in that you release the smaller lever get into easier gears etc which I think I will be able to get used to, the highest gear is just about perfect for the fast XC riding in my area but I haven’t had a chance to take it to more challenging terrain to try out the lower gears yet. I’m running 18T rear cog and 32T front and I also put a set of Hutchinson Toro 1.85 & 2.15 tires on to improve mud performance over the Michelin dry weather tires previously on there.
All please take note that EGF168 dispensed with an XTR drive train to venture into IGH. His thumbs up is high praise indeed.
All please take note that EGF168 dispensed with an XTR drive train to venture into IGH. His thumbs up is high praise indeed.
You rock EGF168.
Why thank you! I was a bit worried the gears weren’t low enough for some of the steep sections but yesterday and this morning I did rides that had some very steep hills and the gears were great, who needs 27 gears when you can have 8 that do just as good job.
Loewa, at first I thought you were using a front derailleur for chain retention, but I see cable running to that mech and the chain is running on an inner ring.
How's it working running two rings up front? Gives you gear range out the wazoo!
I'm just getting back into biking when time permits. I rode BMX in the 80's, but haven't been on a bike much in the last 12 years. I had acquired a bike with a Nexus hub years ago, but the frame was a little short for me & my knees (that aren't what they used to be). The plan was to get a taller frame and use all of the parts from the bike I already had since I was on a budget. At first, I was lost on what type of frame to even look for (being out of it for so long), but a few places like here brought me up to speed a little. Now, I think the only stuff left from the other bike is the rear wheel, tires, seat post, pedals, water bottle cage, and brake/shift levers. Most of the parts were had on eBay at good prices. I love the clean lines & simplicity of a singlespeed, but it's also nice for my knees to have some gears. There's still a bunch of things I want to do with it, but for now, at least I'm riding again.
2007 Redline Monocog Flight (for 26" wheels)
Shimano Nexus 7-speed hub, 18T & push-button shifter
Profile 180mm BMX cranks
Redline euro bottom bracket
DK 36T sprocket
Odyssey pedals
KMC K710SL chain
Avid BB7 front brake
Shimano roller brake rear
Chris King front hub
Raceface stem/bars
Velo/Redline seat
I got a good deal on the complete front wheel -- does anybody have a matching single rim for the rear? It's a 26" Mavic EX721 grey anodized 36 hole.
I'm just getting back into biking when time permits. I rode BMX in the 80's, but haven't been on a bike much in the last 12 years. I had acquired a bike with a Nexus hub years ago, but the frame was a little short for me & my knees (that aren't what they used to be). The plan was to get a taller frame and use all of the parts from the bike I already had since I was on a budget. At first, I was lost on what type of frame to even look for (being out of it for so long), but a few places like here brought me up to speed a little. Now, I think the only stuff left from the other bike is the rear wheel, tires, seat post, pedals, water bottle cage, and brake/shift levers. Most of the parts were had on eBay at good prices. I love the clean lines & simplicity of a singlespeed, but it's also nice for my knees to have some gears. There's still a bunch of things I want to do with it, but for now, at least I'm riding again.
2007 Redline Monocog Flight (for 26" wheels)
Shimano Nexus 7-speed hub, 18T & push-button shifter
Profile 180mm BMX cranks
Redline euro bottom bracket
DK 36T sprocket
Odyssey pedals
KMC K710SL chain
Avid BB7 front brake
Shimano roller brake rear
Chris King front hub
Raceface stem/bars
Velo/Redline seat
I got a good deal on the complete front wheel -- does anybody have a matching single rim for the rear? It's a 26" Mavic EX721 grey anodized 36 hole.
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I like the bike. Does the roller brake work well? Do you use v brake levers?
My ride is a Work In Progress. Still waiting on a 38 tooth ring gear for the front, then the front derailleur is gone, along with the 44 tooth ring gear. Brand new 8 speed chain. Laced the rear hub myself, (a first) and got it close to finished tension, only to find out I botched the lace job, doing it French Lace instead of European Lace on the Mavic EN321 D. Got help from jeffj on final true, roundness and tension for a great wheel build worthy of this Clyde.
Picked up a Tiagra shorty for a tensioner, adjusted it full in to clean up the drive train line on the high gear side.
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The hub does take a while to break in, it does have some idiosyncracies, but it
shifts fast and smooth, like no other I've ridden.
Bike is pretty much Euro Spec'd save the Shimano pseudo tensioner, pedals and the SRAM cranks.
I like the bike. Does the roller brake work well? Do you use v brake levers?
Thanks. The roller brake is not the best. It's ok for relaxed biking; not for "spirited" biking. I like it when I'm putting around with the kids. Yes; V-brake levers. I wish a disc adaptor was readily available for the nexus hub.
Yes it worked very vell! In the first stage i don't understand what i am need. And ride 18 - 32,36 sometimes 22 , but was winter, studded tire and more, more snow - then and now 20-36 only - here, there and everywhere
ps sorry from my bad russian english
xy9ine, WTF is that?????????? More details please. Who made it and price?
as mentioned earlier, its a lahar, built in nz by an eccentric by the name of aaron franklin. he's been building rohloff based carbon dh frames for a few years now (in very limited quantities), and this is the latest iteration. i believe he's built about 15 of these so far, but has run into personal / financial 'difficulties' recently, and the company seems to be currently defunct. it's a pretty neat bike; centralized mass / low cg, super low unsprung weight, stiff, decently light (despite the weighty rohloff - 37lbs as it sits), with amazing high speed stability / bump eating capabilities. the bomber drivetrain is icing; i'll be sad if i ever have to run a dangly dérailleur on a dh bike again. frame mounting the gearhub makes so much sense; i've ridden a buddy's wheel mounted rohloff dh bike previously, and that much mass at the end of the swingarm is definitely detrimental to handling & suspension performance. obviously i'm a big fan of gearbox bikes...
Finally found the time to finish my Alfine project.
I'm running a 32/22 giving the equivalent of a 22/30 gear (frt ring=22T, rear cog=30T!).
Took it out for a ride this am, gotta love IGH goodness in the morning.
I even found an 185mm centerlock disc:
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Yea, I have a 32T Surly SS chainring and a plastic bash guard on order.
I am also going to try the grip shifter, I really like my I-M9 grip shifter.
In a week or two, I'll strip the frame and do another natural project.
With the Thudbauster and Alfine, I'm loving my hardtail again.
I'm just not smart enough to keep a deraillieur running right
it was first fitted with an sturmey archer 8, sadly it didn't last very long. I have been using an alfine / trigger shifter since February and it is still going strong. it copes just fine with jumps, drops, dust, mud and dh in general.
I am getting ready my town bike soon, just looking for the right fork at the moment, I will be running an sturmey archer 8. can't wait to ride it to work everyday.
have any of you with the suspension bikes have had any issues with the un-sprung weight?
I haven't. it could well be that I am a lousy rider so I haven't been able to notice.
have any of you with the suspension bikes have had any issues with the un-sprung weight?
I haven’t really noticed the extra weight on my bike when riding, it’s only when I pick it up to lift it through a gate or something that I really notice the extra weight.
I couldn't stand the chain tensioner on my Motobecane Fantom29er, so I bought a Missfit Dissent. All the parts swapped over just fine, took less than an hour to get up and running. This in not a lightweight, I like strong and un-breakable, hence the 4.6lb frame, Tora shock and Mavic 319 rims
Check out the sliding vertical dropouts, perfect for an IGH hub. Also look at the gussets on the head tube, very beefy. I ordered it raw/disc only, no need to strip the paint off this baby!
I had an extra rear wheel with SRAM's i-Motion 9 hub, very dangerous! My Outcast29 reverted back to a commuter with a Nexus 8/roller brake. I missed having an rigid 29er with IGH. I started looking around and decided it was time to try out a steel frame, perfect complement to the i-M 9. I arrived on the Vassago JB, ordered it from TRails-edge in MI. I received the 09 frame, has different gusset on headtube.
I love the simple look of this frame. The horizontal dropouts work well with an IGH, the adjusters are simple and effective. I had to go for the frame/fork combo, glad I did. This frame is ultra stable, reminds me of the early Ritchy frames, you could ride over a small log no hands, this frame is no different.
It started life as an eBay/parts bin rigid SS 29er last fall. I added the Alfine to the rigid frameset this summer, but that frame cracked shortly thereafter and I decided to go full suspension 29er - I've probably put 26" wheels behind me for good. I only have a couple rides with the Alfine on the Asylum, but so far so good.
Old bike new hub. Love it. I plan to use it as a long haul rig for next year with a few 50+ miles races which I attend because the courses are cool not because I stand to place. So far so good. 2 50+ days so far and about 300 miles. Can't say a bad thing about it yet. From a King hub to this is not quite the engagement but getting used to it. Might play with the 34x18 a bit for hard days but like it so far. Mud not a problem, shifting under pressure up hard climbs different, engagement different, not bad just got to acclimate. I hate those derailluuirrrsssisss thingys so this works great for me. More range than I would have thought and makes the commute to the trail a breeze.
Happy shifting,
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I posted a seperate thread about this bike, but figured I would add it here as well. Black Sheep custom Ti frame with extending chainstays and black 32h Alfine hub. I run singlespeed in the summer, but like some gears for the winter, and maybe some endurance events. Enjoy:
I am just done with my Niner RIP 9 built, here it is.
I had built a One 9 this fall (see photos here) and after a few rides I realized that hardtails weren't for me anymore, so I got a RIP 9 frame and moved most of the stuff from the One 9 to the RIP 9 (save for the Lefty fork I used on the One 9, I switched to a Maverick DUC32 because I like the plushess of the DC32 better).
The usual thanks to the people who helped me make it happen: Mike at Universal Cycles who keep answering my silly questions and rush order stuff to that I can spend my week-ends building stuff, to Chris and Ethan at Maverick for all their advice on the DUC32 fork, Brian and Niners Bike for getting back to me within hours (my kind of bike company!) and all the folks on MTBR.com forums who answer my posts.
for my son, Miguel. He rode it for a couple of months and just loves it. He will ride it at the Level 2 High School Racing Camp at Tamarancho this weekend. I'm sure he will get a lot of questions and lot of people will get to see it. He worked with Neil at Cyclemonkey (along with Thomas of Rohloff) during the summer and learned a lot about the hub and believes in it.
He will race it where he feels it is appropriate. It weighs in at 26.5 lbs. He will use his Specialized M2/9sp/XT/SID at 22 lbs on the flatter, dryer courses. I am hoping for a really nasty, sloppy, gritty race where the Rohloff will really shine. Whether it becomes his "race" bike or not I know it is a bike he really likes, he thinks is really special, and that is the most important thing.
Horrible picture, but here is my 2008 Rig with an Alfine.
As soon as I got to about the 3rd bike in this thread I thought to myself...self...I need a Rig frame to build with an Alfine. And bammm here is a great example of one.
typing "Rig" in ebay in a few moments.
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My hub is up for its first oil change and possibly a bit of gear tuning. I'm anxious to see how fresh oil improves the feel of the hub. This is the first maintenance I will have made to my drivetrain since the bike was built (over 6,000 miles ago). Have to dig it.
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Hello MOJO - That Inglis is VERY Clean looking - Very nice Job! The Rohloff Cabling is Great! ...Just curious what Brand of Bolt-On Skewers you are running? They look very Good!
I gotta say wow... Now i dont know a thing about hub gears but are they taken from shimanos "trekking groups"? I mean the alfie hub? How does it compare to a conventionally equipped mtb? I need more input cuz i have a old steel fram that would love to be used again.
Here's my 05 Titus ML Ti
Fox Talas fork 15mm QR
XTR 15mm hub
DHX 5 rear shock
XTR 952 crank with aftermarket spider (uses 104 rings)
XTR 952 BB
All Ti bolts
Titec Ti handlebar
And the Rohloff hub with 40X16 gearing
Rohloff chain guide
Rohloff tensioner FS bikes got to have a tensioner because the chain slacks when the suspension compresses.
Weight is 32 pounds
I didn't know if I was going like the Rohloff. Once I figured out how to shift, I love it. I'm thinking about buying another one for my road tandem.ML R side.jpg
I've been running a 1X9 (30X11-34) for over a year and wanted to try something new.
I wanted new wheels anyway so I did some research and had the wheels built at www.Harriscyclery.com. http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/shimano-nexus.html#8
Found some 28mm wide 409 gram rims, 26" Velocity Blunts.
I had the front laced up 3X to my American Classic Hub with DT supercomps and brass nipples. I had the rear laced up 3X on a new Alfine Hub with DT supercomps and brass nipples.
The bike weighed 24.7 pounds before the internal hub and now weighs 27.7 pounds. I had to use a Surly Singleator because of all the chain growth through the suspension travel.
I made the chain as short as I could without binding up the suspension. 36 tooth chain ring in front and 22 tooth in the rear. Very close to my 30X11-34. I have 2 rides on it so far.
I like it but I'm still getting use to the extra weight in the rear. I do jump with the bike but only 3 or 4 foot drops. All the drops have smooth landings. no weight.jpg
Went on the first ride yesterday, and conquered the biggest hill in Hobart, no worries! That was with 32 chainring -> 22 sprocket. I'm considering replacing the 22 with a 20 permanently for some better downhill gearing.
Not 100% satisfied at the moment, there was some skipping, particularly in 5th gear, when I was using the 22T sprocket. I put the 20T on today to see if it made any difference, and now it's perfect - don't know what's happening. I might consider starting a new thread about it if the 22 still skips. And yes, the yellow marks were lined up in 4th!
More pics to come when I find a more photogenic location!
I'm humbled by the high coolness factor of the bikes here. I'm a recent IGH convert, after becoming somewhat disillusioned with the alleged allure of SS. At any rate, he's my small contribution to the thread: My '07 Fisher Rig, fitted with a Shimano 8-speed SG-S501, 32/20, pretty much everything else stock. Couldn't be happier.
Wow, been thinking about internal hub for a mountain bike for a long time, didn't know so many of you all were already doing it, see what goin back to school does for staying in the "know". I'm gonna switch ASAP. Good stuff guys and girls!
folks loving thos IGH's ,
I hear that on full sus bikes they can make the ride feel odd and be prone to flats due to the amount of unspring weight in the rear wheel anyone got any feed back on this. I am seriously considering a IGH with a carbon belt drive,
anyone know if you can use belt driv with a hammershmit?
going through to many XT chain rings chains and cassets $$££$$££$
I think it would take a far larger weight increase than switching to an IGH setup to cause an increase in flats, if it did then just put more pressure in the rear tire...
I have had no flats in two years - std drivetrain or igh. I use std tires on tubeless rims or ghetto.
I'd say the weight increase is far more improtant to the responsiveness over small stuff than to flats. Nothing that cannot be tuned with the compression/rebound on a good shock but noticible.
Thought you'd be interested in seeing my newly built Soul Diilinger 2nd generation with an Alfine hub. But first you have to read my short story.
So I was laid off from my engineering job of 30 years. I'm not ready to retire, but until I'm employed I needed to fill the time, and I'd rather be active.
(30 years in a desk job has taken it's toll.)
So I decided to build a trail bike to replace my 80s vintage Lotus Pegasus.
(Obviously I don't ride off road much if my Pegasus is still rideable.)
I figure if I don't get into the off road road thing I can turn it into a commuter.
I had three fixed criteria for my trail bike: it was to be a 29er, have disk brakes, and an internally geared hub.
(I had a 60s vintage 5 speed Sturmey Archer. I loved the internal gears, but there were problems in the design, and when the bike was stolen the 5 speed hubs were discontinued.)
I was hoping to afford a front suspension fork, but didn't want the complication of a full suspension bike.
So, after lurking and doing research for months I decided on the Soul Dillinger because mildly blemished frames were available at a steep discount.
(Now I can afford the front suspension fork.)
It also has an EBB to ease wheel alignment and chain tensioning, and seemed to be liked by heavier riders (I'm 210).
So here are a few pics.
The build, or at least the major components:
Soul Dillinger generation 2 frame, medium, in GREEN
Rockshox Reba Race 2010 with Pushloc
Shimano SG-S501 hub with Rapidfire shifter
BB7 brakes
Stans flow rims
Geax Saugaro TNT tires with Kenda tubes
So far I've only ridden the neighborhood, proving that my biking muscles are way out of shape, and that the build needs some fine tuning on the ergonomics.
But I don't think I'll ever have derailliers on a bike again. This Alfine is everything that 60s era Sturmey Archer 5 speed should have been.
I am using the Shimano Alfine 8-speed with a Schlumpf mountain drive, 53T chainring and 23T rear cog. I like it a lot; I get all kinds of low range to climb hills and more high range than I can use.
I started out on an Iron Horse Maveric 4.5 full suspension frame...this was heavy, and it made me mad to have to leave the rear derailleur on to use as a chain tensioner.
I recently stepped up to a Klein Mantra frame - it is AWESOME! Much lighter, and the bottom bracket is part of the swingarm, so no chain tensioner is needed. I haven't been on a trail yet with it, but on the street it rides like a Cadillac...and my average speed went up about 1 mi/h.
They Hayes hydraulic brakes were tricky to figure out an effective method for bleeding, but I think I have it down now...they seem to work quite well (these were an upgrade for me that came with the Klein frame...was using entry level Shimano mechanical disc calipers that came with the Iron Horse).
I haven't taken pictures yet, because I have a few more components to mount - Odysee full suspension rear rack (with B&M taillight mounted to it), and I have a much stronger rear wheel yet to build. I got a DT FR600 rim and DT Alpine III triple butted spokes....I figure I won't break any more spokes with this setup.
Here's my complete setup:
2000 Klein Mantra
Schlumpf Mountain Drive
Shimano Alfine SG-S500 8-Speed Hub
Shimano DH-3D71 Dynohub
Dual Bush & Muller IQ Cyo Senso front lights
Busch & Muller DToplight Senso Multi rear light
53T Chainring, 23T rear cog
NO DERAILLEURS or chain tensioner
Fox Float 100mm rear shock
Manitou Black 80/100mm fork
Crank Brothers Mallet C clipless pedals
Brooks Flyer saddle
Sigma Sport BC1606L wired computer
Hayes Nine hydraulic disc brakes
Odysee full suspension rear rack
JANDD rack mount trunk bag
Old bike new hub. Love it. I plan to use it as a long haul rig for next year with a few 50+ miles races which I attend because the courses are cool not because I stand to place. So far so good. 2 50+ days so far and about 300 miles. Can't say a bad thing about it yet. From a King hub to this is not quite the engagement but getting used to it. Might play with the 34x18 a bit for hard days but like it so far. Mud not a problem, shifting under pressure up hard climbs different, engagement different, not bad just got to acclimate. I hate those derailluuirrrsssisss thingys so this works great for me. More range than I would have thought and makes the commute to the trail a breeze.
Happy shifting,
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RIP poor Voodoo. I broke a bar in the middle of a tech section and ended up breaking most everything on the bike including myself. After the ER, stitches, and looking at my frame's status I realized that almost everything was done. Great rig but just not up to par on my style of riding( Alpine). So I upgraded.
RIP poor Voodoo. I broke a bar in the middle of a tech section and ended up breaking most everything on the bike including myself. After the ER, stitches, and looking at my frame's status I realized that almost everything was done. Great rig but just not up to par on my style of riding( Alpine). So I upgraded.
I really like your setup.i bought a Monocog 29er off craigslist and want to do exactly what you did by adding a Nexus 8 speed hub. A few questions:
What size chainring are you using in the front? I'm looking to add a 44T, but the alignment with the hub isn't right.
What cog size are you using on yuor Nexus hub?
What are the black ties you are using to keep the cable to the hub in place?
I intend to use this bike as my commuter (9.5 miles) with only highway overpasses to deal with. My LBS suggested I stop my build and buy a commuter bike. I believe I'm close to finishing my bike, but may need to buy a smaller chainring since the 44T may rub if I install it to the inner side of the spider crank. Any advice is appreciated.
Well Xavier's dad, in case you're asking about my green Soul Cycles Dillinger 29er, here are my answers:
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What size chainring are you using in the front? I'm looking to add a 44T, but the alignment with the hub isn't right.
I'm using a 32 tooth chainring with bash guard as supplied as part of a Race Face Evolve single speed crankset.
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What cog size are you using on your Nexus hub?
I was using a 20 tooth mainly because the EBB supplied by Soul Cycles with the frame couldn't tension the chain with a 22 tooth cog without a half link, which I didn't have. But I like the 20 tooth, so the 22 tooth will not get used. I currently have an 18 tooth cog to ride some rail to trails, and perhaps a 16 tooth would be better. A different EBB with more adjustment may be in my future.
If I were to convert my Dillinger to a commuter I would probably run 32/16.
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What are the black ties you are using to keep the cable to the hub in place?
They are just black UV resistant cable ties. After make all changes to the stem and bars and settle on the final cable routing I'll likely clean up the tie wrap installation.
What size chainring are you using in the front? I'm looking to add a 44T, but the alignment with the hub isn't right.
What cog size are you using on yuor Nexus hub?
What are the black ties you are using to keep the cable to the hub in place?
- Why run a 44? You can get a 16T rear cog, you can run a 32, 34, 36 or 38 front chainring and choose a rear cog that give a nice range.
Otherwise, run the 44 on the outside with a 22T rear cog, turn the cog's dish outward and your chainline will be close.
, but was winter, studded tire and more, more snow - then and now 20-36 only - here, there and everywhere 
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