Can-Diggle comparisons?

rvmdmechanic · 2 Weeks Ago

I am pretty set on getting the can-diggle (from canfield) as a new frame for a bigger AM build. I had a 130mm bike with about 68* HTA before, so my requirements are ~7" of travel, and a slacker, 66-67* HTA, but still light weight. I like the idea of a pretty solid 8lb frame that I could run with a dual-crown in the future for DH.

Don't want single pivots. If you suggest one, I'll hunt you down.

Anything comparable? If you had to make the choice for that kind of 7", goal of 30lbs total build, but pretty strong and fast... anything else you'd look at?

PsyCro · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by rvmdmechanic

I am pretty set on getting the can-diggle (from canfield) as a new frame for a bigger AM build. I had a 130mm bike with about 68* HTA before, so my requirements are ~7" of travel, and a slacker, 66-67* HTA, but still light weight. I like the idea of a pretty solid 8lb frame that I could run with a dual-crown in the future for DH.

Don't want single pivots. If you suggest one, I'll hunt you down.

Anything comparable? If you had to make the choice for that kind of 7", goal of 30lbs total build, but pretty strong and fast... anything else you'd look at?

I know i'm putting myself at risk of being hunted down, but..

http://www.corsairbikes.com/fly.aspx...=bike&taxid=59

There's some very positive reviews on here about them. It's a little bit heavier but can still be built light just as the diggle can.

edit: and btw.. a 30lbs build for a 7" bike is just dumb. Shoot for 35 and have fun.

b-kul · 2 Weeks Ago

30lbs for that? good luck.

FoShizzle · 2 Weeks Ago

LOL...30 lbs

Ansible · 2 Weeks Ago

Seems to me a frame that could be a serious DH bike would be a little weird built up to 30 lbs - you'd have to have spindly wheels and tiny tires and carbon everything. So why not look at non DH frames, like the one, reign, firebird, remedy, etc? If you start doing serious downhill get a real no compromise DH bike.

To me 30 lbs sounds more like a blinged out One build w air shock. Might want to check if those frames are still on clearance. Canfield recommends a coil for that bike though, not that air won't work. Sauce would be a lot easier to get under 30. Neither bike is going to be dual crown DH material though. You might want to contact canfield about it, they are easy to get a hold of, and you can talk directly with one of the brothers.

I looked at the one and was impressed with the way it pedaled, and the super plush rear suspension. Changing the preload on the coil really affected the way the bike felt on the trail a lot, which I liked. Seemed very tunable.

I felt like the HA was a little steep for me with the van 36 though. I thought about getting one and using spacers to slack it out a bit, but ended up going with the pivot firebird instead, liked the geometry more. The firebird is a little more rigid in the feel of the rear suspension, at least going uphill. Not sure that I like that better, mainly it was the geo for me.

ExCactus · 2 Weeks Ago

You're asking for too much out of this. I think that I saw the brothers say that if you run a dual crown on the diggle, sauce or one, or maybe all 3 you will snap your frame so I'd look into that for sure. But going for something that you want to be a true downhill rig that the rest of the time is a 30 lb. build with 7"? I hope your have an endless wallet... I'd look at the reign x though, the new ones are a lighter design and your getting 6.7" of solid pedaling suspension design, may be what you're looking for I guess... And people have run dual crowns on them, but I think it voids the warranty.

neverwalk · 2 Weeks Ago

As a Diggle owner, who runs it as a DH sled, and AM rig, with two different builds, 30 pounds would need scary light parts.
My AM set-up is about 32 pounds with fat tires, light but strong wheels, air shock and fork. check my posts, you'll see my build.
My DH set up, ready to race, which I did successfully with it, was sub 38 pounds.
As a do it all bike, I love it. It doesn't need to be 30 pounds to be fun. You'd be riding scared if you built it that light. Make it a bit heavier, and ride the snot out of it.

essenmeinstuff · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by ExCactus

You're asking for too much out of this. I think that I saw the brothers say that if you run a dual crown on the diggle, sauce or one, or maybe all 3 you will snap your frame so I'd look into that for sure. But going for something that you want to be a true downhill rig that the rest of the time is a 30 lb. build with 7"? I hope your have an endless wallet... I'd look at the reign x though, the new ones are a lighter design and your getting 6.7" of solid pedaling suspension design, may be what you're looking for I guess... And people have run dual crowns on them, but I think it voids the warranty.

The one and (obviously) the sauce are no go with DC fork, the diggles' geo is speced with a Boxxer or a 40, so DC is ok here.

rvmdmechanic · 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by neverwalk

As a Diggle owner, who runs it as a DH sled, and AM rig, with two different builds, 30 pounds would need scary light parts.
My AM set-up is about 32 pounds with fat tires, light but strong wheels, air shock and fork. check my posts, you'll see my build.
My DH set up, ready to race, which I did successfully with it, was sub 38 pounds.
As a do it all bike, I love it. It doesn't need to be 30 pounds to be fun. You'd be riding scared if you built it that light. Make it a bit heavier, and ride the snot out of it.

Yeah, all the freaking out should see this guy's bike as a reference. I will be going for a Lyrik 170mm fork, crossmax sx, and then just other slx / x9 parts - nothing overly light or spendy except the wheels. I weigh just over 120 lbs, I'm not going to break much - and the diggle handles a dual crown just fine.

Also, the reason for diggle over One is the fork / downtube contact on the one - I will ride a small, and that's a no-go with a standard headset. This bothers me a lot.

I don't expect the bike to actually be exactly 30 lbs, goal = never happens. but definitely no more than 32 (not that it's a huge deal, light wheels and fork is all I really care about). Also, I don't expect it to ride like a DH bike, I haven't got the skills or balls to need that yet - and If I do, I can just trade up the frame.

I do not want a DH bike - I wanted suggestions for bikes similar to this that I might be overlooking. Also, being small, I will be all over the air shock so I can get it squishy enough.

Something like the Cove STD, for example - just looking for things I might have overlooked, not an opinion on the kind of bike i need; i sell bikes for a living.

I really like the looks of the firebird, but it's pricey (no employee discount there), and reports seemed mixed about how plush it is compared to stiffness - Being small, I want plush, I don't flex things that much.

climbingbubba · 2 Weeks Ago

the canfield brothers make a good bike. i have a jedi and love it. since you are asking for other options ill help you out.

intense uzzi vpp2 - very light, should pedal well. adjustable head angle, adjustable travel, and it can accept a dual crown.

Santa cruz nomad (older style) - very plush and has 6.5 inches of travel. with your weight and what you want it for it would work out perfect. it would go nicely with the new lyrik 170 dh.

Giant reign x 2010 - 6.7 inches (170mm) of travel and really light. the newer ones are a pound lighter and stiffer. supposed to pedal pretty good too. you could actually get this close to the 30 lb mark too. i have definately considered this frame for the future.

specialized sx trail (newer one) - high leverage ratio which should work out good for your light weight. 170mm of travel i believe. not a big fan but lots of people love them

hope that helps. i know they don't all have 7+ inches but if you are planning on using the lyrik 170 dh then these frames would be better. these would all pedal pretty good too.