The Salsa Fargo Thread

[maelgwn]

Originally Posted by Solomander

I just got some intel that at some point over the winter, the Fargo specs are going to be changed. The kit will change to SLX and Deore and the newer bikes will come with the new Woodchipper bars. I am clueless when it comes to mountain bikes and would love some advice. Which set up seems better? Would you buy a bike with the current stuff or wait? Thanks for helping this waffling lurker.

Joel

Chances are they will be pretty similar, sounds like the new spec may be a little lower but presumably the price will adjust accordingly. You may be able to get the runout of the current model cheaper, so that may be a good deal. I think that for most people the Woodchipper bars will be an improvement though.

[hesher]

Originally Posted by maelgwn

Chances are they will be pretty similar, sounds like the new spec may be a little lower but presumably the price will adjust accordingly. You may be able to get the runout of the current model cheaper, so that may be a good deal. I think that for most people the Woodchipper bars will be an improvement though.

I wonder if the geometry of the frame will change in anyway.
I would raise the BB a small bit.

[JMKM]

No change to the Geo of the Fargo for 2010.

[ATXSS]

No changes to the frame at all. Here is a photo of the new spec.

[curriergroh]

I've been reading this thread for too long, cooking up ideas for a 2010 summer trip. The ideas just went from half-baked to reality. My wife threw out the idea of a bike tour earlier in the year and yada yada... I just ordered two Fargos for a Great Divide Route trip. My LBS is super excited to build up the bikes and I'm jumping out of my skin because I know I'll get to ride the bike this year still.

Grabbed the '09s while I still could a M and a L. Will put woodchippers on them when they are available.

I'd post a pic of my ridiculous grin, but it's probably better to stick to pictures of the bikes when they get here.

[Doug_ID]

Originally Posted by curriergroh

I've been reading this thread for too long, cooking up ideas for a 2010 summer trip. The ideas just went from half-baked to reality. My wife threw out the idea of a bike tour earlier in the year and yada yada... I just ordered two Fargos for a Great Divide Route trip. My LBS is super excited to build up the bikes and I'm jumping out of my skin because I know I'll get to ride the bike this year still.

Grabbed the '09s while I still could a M and a L. Will put woodchippers on them when they are available.

I'd post a pic of my ridiculous grin, but it's probably better to stick to pictures of the bikes when they get here.

Hey Congrats! I am sure you will love the bikes.

[JMKM]

Originally Posted by curriergroh

I've been reading this thread for too long, cooking up ideas for a 2010 summer trip. The ideas just went from half-baked to reality. My wife threw out the idea of a bike tour earlier in the year and yada yada... I just ordered two Fargos for a Great Divide Route trip. My LBS is super excited to build up the bikes and I'm jumping out of my skin because I know I'll get to ride the bike this year still.

Grabbed the '09s while I still could a M and a L. Will put woodchippers on them when they are available.

I'd post a pic of my ridiculous grin, but it's probably better to stick to pictures of the bikes when they get here.

You will not regret the GDMBR tour! Awesome.

[papajoe]

i'm kinda confused with the width of the woodchipper, where is it measured? there's some reactions here implying it's rather wide, but 46mm measured from the tips of the drops would be way narrower than midge...

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by papajoe

i'm kinda confused with the width of the woodchipper, where is it measured? there's some reactions here implying it's rather wide, but 46mm measured from the tips of the drops would be way narrower than midge...

My impressions of looking at JMKM's rig at Interbike with the Woodchipper 46cm on it was that at the ends of the extensions it was waaaay wider than a Midge that I run on my Fargo.

I don't know how they measure it, but it looks wider.

[chumbox]

Anyone know about Salsa completes new pricing now they are SLX/Deore?

[Kamikaze_]

Hello All,

I was a riding fool a few years ago but never really took exploration on a bike to seriously over and above the century mark. I felt the need to torture snob roadies on my fixed and single speeds. I was recently single and had the time to ride all over the Denver area.

Flash forward four years and 40lbs later (love my fiancee's cookin') I became a full time dad her two and of course had my two every other weekend. I sold my extensive collection of bikes and quit riding.

Now I am back with a VENGENCE thanks to the Fargo. I had tried a another bike (REI's Safari Bike) but 26" wheels suck. I almost pulled the trigger on Surly's Big Dummy thinking I would at least get my riding in doing errands on it and such.
When by chance I went into a local bike shop that I didn't frequent to often. I was on my way out when I spied the Fargo and fell in love (again)!

Can't keep me off it, the better half of our duo is getting grumpy cuz I'm gone....a lot!!!!

I just bought the stock bike and threw a small Topeak bag on the rear. Tossed in some thorn tubes with Slime and I'm rolloing once again.
It is a shock going from 170lbs and using a 20lb bike to being 210lbs and a 40lb bike w/junk on it.....but I am truely a kid again going everywhere on it!

Thanks fo letting me blather on and thank you more for this awesome thread!
If I'm lucky by 2011 I'll do the GDR route for fun!

[BigIf]

Originally Posted by papajoe

i'm kinda confused with the width of the woodchipper, where is it measured? there's some reactions here implying it's rather wide, but 46mm measured from the tips of the drops would be way narrower than midge...

I assumed it was measured like a road bar, and the 42 would be closer to a Midge. I was also wondering if the reach and drop numbers were backwards in the specs on their website. Maybe should be 80 reach 110 drop? I'm getting the 42. I would have a midge if I could find one.

[HOser]

Originally Posted by chumbox

Anyone know about Salsa completes new pricing now they are SLX/Deore?

My local Salsa dealer (University Bikes in Boulder) indicated a retail price of around $1400.

[murtaghstyle]

So the new complete version seems to be different in the following:

SLX/Deore instead of XT cranks
Woodchipper bars instead of Bell Lap
New Stem?
About $400 cheaper?
Conti Speed Kings instead of WTB Vulpines?
WTB Rims instead of Salsa Semis?
Different Saddle?

[Solomander]

Originally Posted by HOser

My local Salsa dealer (University Bikes in Boulder) indicated a retail price of around $1400.

Hmm, tough call which configuration to go with.

Joel

[HOser]

Originally Posted by Solomander

Hmm, tough call which configuration to go with.

Joel

It's nice to have the choice, definitely.

Personally, I'm definitely gunning to grab one of the new builds when it's available. Previously, I was on the fence regarding buying a complete Fargo or just the frame. The idea of building it exactly as I wanted was appealing, plus building a bike is a fun winter project. Given the new price point, however, this pushes me firmly into the "get the complete bike" camp since this will get me this great frame with a serviceable build, at a good price point, that I can later customize as I see fit and after I figure out just how this unique frame will fit my needs.

[Tom Le Tour]

Just back from two weeks cycling in the mountains and along the coast of Northern Spain. Did some great off-road exploring. Made the bike up over summer - a real mix up of parts - but the sum seems to be greater.. I went for 2x9 gearing with campag shifters married to a sram rear mech with the aid of a shiftmate. Works a spell. Intially found the big wheel beast just that - a bit of a slog to get going. But out in Spain, loaded up, the bike really came into its own. Surprised about what I could ride over. Discovered some great trails high up in The Picos de Europa. Finished the last day doing a head to head with a racer on the fantastic Spanish roads into Santander. It nearly finnished me off. But the grin was worth it. Yes, this bike has got me smiling.

[Fat & Hairy]

Pictures? Love to see them

[ilostmypassword]

Originally Posted by murtaghstyle

So the new complete version seems to be different in the following:

SLX/Deore instead of XT cranks
Woodchipper bars instead of Bell Lap
New Stem?
About $400 cheaper?
Conti Speed Kings instead of WTB Vulpines?
WTB Rims instead of Salsa Semis?
Different Saddle?

Maxxis crossmarks are a great option for the fargo i reckon

[Tom Le Tour]

I'll post some photos as soon as technology stops conspiring against me, and lets me.

[rb1]

sanjuanswan, why did you go with this bar combination. I am trying to decide whether to just buy the stock bike or buy the frame and build it the way I would ultimately end up. How do you like the Hyd. Brakes? Thanks

[rb1]

I really like your choice for handlebars. I am torn between buying the stock bike and then modifying it or just buying the frame and go from the ground up. How do you like your hydraulic brakes. What handlebars are you using on your Fargo?

[sanjuanswan]

rb1, I am using On One Mary Bars installed upside down. I got the idea from mgersib on this thread. Originally, I had the Salsa Bell Lap bars. They were OK, but I was doing a lot of off-road riding and MG said the flipped Mary bars were substantially better for singletrack, so I tried it. I agree with him. I installed the Shimano bar-end shifters on the Mary bar using the Paul's conversion kit.

The brakes are not hydraulics; they are standard mechanical BB7s.

[Doug_ID]

Thread needs more pics!

[doubclik]

okee dokee...


so here's my situation. I recently moved from the east coast to the midwest (Chicago area) which have caused me to rethink the stable. Specifically, I'm thinking of selling my 26" hardtail (cannondale lefty) and maybe my commuter/cx bike (Redline Conquest disc).

Two reasons... on dirt 29" seems way more logical on terrain without all the big climbs and tight singletrack I'm used to. My current ride suddenly feels small.
Second is my cx bike still can't weather 4 seasons here in Chicago. I need something with beefy rubber to cope with 3 months of snow.

Add on two new factors:
I'm getting addicted to long distance off-road. I dream about Arizona desert in the spring...
My first kid is due in March.(woo-hoo!) Pedestrian duties sure, but think baby-hauling, grocery-shleping and the like.

Anyhow, sum it all up and I'm thinking a Fargo might be a perftco all-arounder. My question is this.... if I pull the trigger soon I'm falling right at the tail-end of any '09s and at the beginning of the '10s, so what would YOU go for? Bar choice is a no brainer for me - I think the additional flare of the woodchippers makes sense, but what about the rest? thoughts??

[mmeiser01]

@doubclick: I wouldn't give up on your cross. It's probably the perect round town bike and still very versatile. I lived in Chicago for 14 years or so and commuted by bike pretty much the entire time.

In fact it should be good for year round.

There are usually only a very few days when the roads are covered with snow. Small patches of hidden ice is really the only thing you have to watch out for in the winter.

What's more winter riding thrashes bikes. I don't think you'd want to thrash a new fargo and all it's components during the winter months so I'd recommend keeping one of your old bikes.

What I might recommend if you feel you need it is keeping the cross and keeping a fast road tire on it during the summer and putting a studded tire on it during the winter. There are many studded cross tires, plus it's actually pretty easy to make them if you like. I have a couple of Ritchey Speedmax that I studded and some Schwalbe studded snow tires. In many ways the home made studded Speedmax work better as they're lighter and more supple.

As for your other questions I think I'll leave them to someone else. I've not yet checked out the 2010 Fargo. Didn't realize there was a difference.

[ilostmypassword]

@doubclick. My advice is to buy one and ride it

[mgersib]

Originally Posted by doubclik

okee dokee...


so here's my situation. I recently moved from the east coast to the midwest (Chicago area) which have caused me to rethink the stable. Specifically, I'm thinking of selling my 26" hardtail (cannondale lefty) and maybe my commuter/cx bike (Redline Conquest disc).

Two reasons... on dirt 29" seems way more logical on terrain without all the big climbs and tight singletrack I'm used to. My current ride suddenly feels small.
Second is my cx bike still can't weather 4 seasons here in Chicago. I need something with beefy rubber to cope with 3 months of snow.

Add on two new factors:
I'm getting addicted to long distance off-road. I dream about Arizona desert in the spring...
My first kid is due in March.(woo-hoo!) Pedestrian duties sure, but think baby-hauling, grocery-shleping and the like.

Anyhow, sum it all up and I'm thinking a Fargo might be a perftco all-arounder. My question is this.... if I pull the trigger soon I'm falling right at the tail-end of any '09s and at the beginning of the '10s, so what would YOU go for? Bar choice is a no brainer for me - I think the additional flare of the woodchippers makes sense, but what about the rest? thoughts??

Congrats on the coming kid... That's super cool. I think the bar is, in fact a no brainer. The Woodchipper is the bar that was made for the Fargo. That said, if you can find a good deal on an '09, I'd say go for it. You can always change out the handlebar. That's an inexpensive swap, and if you get a good deal on the rest of the bike, that too is a no-brainer, IMO. The frames will be essentially the same, '09 to '10, from what I've heard. There won't be anything to gain there...

Have fun and good luck!

[montclairbobbyb]

Originally Posted by doubclik

I'm getting addicted to long distance off-road. I dream about Arizona desert in the spring...
My first kid is due in March.(woo-hoo!) Pedestrian duties sure, but think baby-hauling, grocery-shleping and the like.

@DC: Here's my personal perspective (and admittedly I'm primarily a mountain biker and prefer risers to drop bars), so take that for what it's worth. I've owned my Fargo for nearly a year, and have commuted, shopped around town, done pub crawls (on-off road), centuries (on-off road), ridden loaded/unloaded, and I still am in love with the bike JUST as I first built it... with Big Apple 2.35 slicks and Titec H-bars. I have such awesome control AND comfort in all riding situations. I have a healthy stable of bikes, mountain and road, and the one I regularly ride is my (all-rounder) Fargo, including road rides.

This weekend several friends and I are doing a 30 mile off-road tour of the Northwest NJ Highlands... A few will be riding mountain bikes with knobbies... My Niner MCR would probably be a good choice, given the varied terrain. But I'm so looking forward to riding this route on my Fargo with slicks... Why? Because I know I CAN, and I will have such a blast riding this (with panniers) in complete comfort. And I guarantee I'll be smiling the most.

Get one... you won't be sorry. I haven't seen these selling on eBay... tells you something.
And BTW, I too dream of riding this in the AZ desert... It would be awesome...

Peace,
BB

[GnatBikes]

OK....I like pictures. A few from a few different places.

Gnat

[ATXSS]

I agree, the 2009 is a much nicer spec and a great value. For 2010 you are looking at a lower pricepoint with some downspec'd components (wheels/drivetrain.) Don't get hung up on the bars, you can swap as mgserib stated.

Also I believe the 2010 is still a little while off, I imagine there is already snow where you are.

[Behindbars]

OK. I did it! Ordered a Fargo compete 22cm. Also some cascadia fenders. Now I need help deciding on a rear rack. What is the best rear rack with fenders?

[Sometimes]

Any chance the Fargo will ever be offered with an EBB?

I really, really like the frameset but really, really :-) want an EBB for an IGH.

I've actually been considering an El Mariachi frameset (bidding on one on eBay right this moment) but I chanced upon the Fargo frameset & it really, really appeals to me. Only the lack of an EBB prevents me from buying it right this moment. Oh well ...

Thanks in advance.

[Kamikaze_]

I cast my vote for bags not racks....ala

Epic Designs
or
Carousel Design Works

Later

[Behindbars]

We need more Fargo pics on here!

[Doug_ID]

sunday ride above the Clearwater river Idaho.....

[Behindbars]

Great pic!

[jayb2664]

..sort of. The long morning shadows made for an interesting shot IMO. One of many hills and the reward on a 6000 ft day north of Lawrence KS. Yes it is not always flat in KS. The rain had dried up, the big rocks were pretty much pounded in by vehicles (few and far between). While compared to the cross bike the Fargo is a big pig, but the pay off is the long wheelbase and fork make for one comfortable ride (relative), which is really noticable later on, and I don't have to stop for water nor carry any water on my back.

[jayb2664]

..sort of. The long morning shadows made for an interesting shot IMO. One of many hills and the reward on a 6000 ft day north of Lawrence KS. Yes it is not always flat in KS. The rain had dried up, the big rocks were pretty much pounded in by vehicles (few and far between). While compared to the cross bike the Fargo is a big pig, but the pay off is the long wheelbase and fork make for one comfortable ride (relative), which is really noticable later on, and I don't have to stop for water nor carry any water on my back.

[Grizzed]

hey - a tampa fargo rider checking in - this bike ****ing rocks!! I ordered from my LBS (olivers) in april and kept everything stock. I switched out tires as i'm riding mostly asphalt.

I'm a clyde - short legs and a long torso. I rode a cannondale 26 mtb for years - and wasn't real happy with the fit, but didn't have much hope i'd find anything better. In retrospect I probably would have had better luck if I'd tried a 29er. I'm glad I didn't. I picked up an XXL frame and it's a great fit.

If I've got one complaint it's that the bike is too comfortable. I'm going on longer rides and i'm running into saddle issues I haven't had before. I need to find the right saddle so I can enjoy those longer multiple day rides. I've tried my previous WTB - the salsa WTB and I just picked up a bontrager saddle I'll try for a couple weeks.

This was my ride on ragbrai and it generated a lot of interest. At least 5 people everyday asked about it. Some were just curious, others were planning on ordering - one guy had his frame and was going to custom build. There was one other fargo on the route riding self supported.

Exceeds expectations

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by Grizzed

...
If I've got one complaint it's that the bike is too comfortable. I'm going on longer rides and i'm running into saddle issues I haven't had before. I need to find the right saddle so I can enjoy those longer multiple day rides. I've tried my previous WTB - the salsa WTB and I just picked up a bontrager saddle I'll try for a couple weeks...........


Exceeds expectations

Here! Here! I totally can relate to this. I get to ride a lot of different bikes and have a custom made drop bar bike, but the Fargo is the one that every single time I get on it I immediately say to my self, "Dang! This bike just fits!" It is so much like an old leather shoe- comfortable immediately, and stays that way for miles, and miles, and miles......

Yep! And it'll make you find the perfect saddle, and when you do, you'd better buy a couple at least, 'cause you're gonna wear out that first one ridin' your Fargo!

So you come up for RAGBRAI, eh? I am a native Iowan and still here. One of these days there is going to be a renegade gravel RAGBRAI, and if it happens, I'm going on at least part of it on my Fargo! (Self supported, of course!)

[Sometimes]

If you can't find a seat that's comfy, give the Selle SMP line a try.

Good luck.

[hesher]

Just a couple from a ride around home...

Resting by the field...


Ready to take on that single track!

[JMKM]

I didn't know Fargo was capable of singletrack riding

[hogprint]

Made a few changes in my custom build. I think I finally have her right.

[montclairbobbyb]

Took my Fargo on a nice ride this past weekend through the Northwest section of NJ known as the Skylands...(High Point State Park, Stokes State Forest, and Delaware Water Gap National Rec Area). Nice mix of single track, dirt roads and jeep trails, with a little unplanned bushwacking thrown in... Had the Fargo lightly loaded (using my small Ortlieb panniers in the rear and a Nasbar short-rack pannier in the front). The Fargo handled everything like a champ, and I smiled the whole ride...uh except for this picture (I'm the grouch on the right...)

[Grizzed]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

So you come up for RAGBRAI, eh? I am a native Iowan and still here. One of these days there is going to be a renegade gravel RAGBRAI, and if it happens, I'm going on at least part of it on my Fargo! (Self supported, of course!)

From NW iowa myself - the renegade ragbrai isn't a bad idea - you could even shadow the real route to take advantage of the beer/food/facilities and avoid a lot of the stupid. I'm toying with going self sustained this year. Our driver(camper) just mentioned this week he wants to go again.

Originally Posted by Sometimes

If you can't find a seat that's comfy, give the Selle SMP line a try.

My LBS suggested Selle an-atomica. I put in 15 miles on the bontrager tonight playing with angle and position. I'll try a couple long rides this weekend and see how it works. I suspect I'll be using their 30 day comfort guarantee.

Originally Posted by JMKM

I didn't know Fargo was capable of singletrack riding

Ohhh sure the bike can handle the single tracks ... what you need to be careful with is the rider. You wouldn't want anyone from Min-a-soda on a fargo doing too much. Yah Yah you want to keep them sven and ollies on the Minnehaha Parkway don'cha know. They're a fragile people -high adventure would be something like the Paul Bunyan Trail. (so says the blue dot watcher )

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by Grizzed

From NW iowa myself - the renegade ragbrai isn't a bad idea - you could even shadow the real route to take advantage of the beer/food/facilities and avoid a lot of the stupid. I'm toying with going self sustained this year. Our driver(camper) just mentioned this week he wants to go again.

Exactly the plan I had in mind. Take the route when it is announced in Jan/Feb and recon a gravel route alongside. Use their facilities at overnights......or not! Optional camping in secluded areas off route may be preferable.

.

Ohhh sure the bike can handle the single tracks ... what you need to be careful with is the rider. You wouldn't want anyone from Min-a-soda on a fargo doing too much. Yah Yah you want to keep them sven and ollies on the Minnehaha Parkway don'cha know. They're a fragile people -high adventure would be something like the Paul Bunyan Trail. (so says the blue dot watcher )

Never mind JMKM. His mind is addled from recent jet lag. But yeah, the Fargo rocks off road!

[sanjuanswan]

So it's been about a year since I picked up my Fargo. Anybody have any thoughts as they approach a year with the bike?

My random thoughts:

• I think it's pretty nearly perfect as a do-anything bike.
• I like having two front wheels, one of which is as fat as possible (Gordo with a LT 2.55 on mine). For singletrack and gnarly jeep roads, it's a better solution, as is the inverted Mary bar (for me).
• I like the low bottom bracket; it just takes a few rides to get used to it.
• The Epic Designs frame bag rules.
• It's a great winter road bike.
• I kind of wish it had a replaceable derailleur hanger.

I'm looking forward to the next year on it. I want to try one of those small Nitto front racks, and I'll probably try even wider front tires as they become available.

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by sanjuanswan

So it's been about a year since I picked up my Fargo. Anybody have any thoughts as they approach a year with the bike?
.

Funny you should be thinking the same thing I have been. I guess a bike like the Fargo engenders such feelings.

Anyway, here are my thoughts as I approach my second year on the Fargo.......

• Category inventing bike: Lots of companies and people thinking along the same lines as Salsa Cycles. It's all good.
• Fits like a glove- I have a custom drop bar bike that doesn't fit me as well as my Fargo. It's the best feeling bike I have.
• Go anywhere: Low BB is something you get used to, at least I did. No issues going anywhere off or on roads- or anywhere in between.
• Versatility and bikepacking capabilities are two things I like about the Fargo. I will be exploring the bikepacking thing, and I wanted to this year, but I just didn't quite get there.
• Adventures: I had some of the best rides I have ever experienced aboard a Fargo this year- Dirty Kanza 200, Two "Fargo Adventure Rides" in Minneapolis, The "Guitar Ted Death Ride Invitational", My Nebraska single track adventure, and many more....

And there are a couple of nits I have about the Fargo, that if I could change, I would.

• Single speed- Yes, you can get an ENO hub, but that doesn't appeal to me, and it won't work with an Alfine hub. I think the Fargo would rock with an internally geared hub.
• Pump peg: While the Fargo has one pump peg, (Larger sizes only), it really needs two. The sloping top tube makes the back of the pump slip down in rough terrain without using a pump strap. I solved the problem by using a zip tie around the seat tube, but the Fargo really should come with a rear mount for the pump if you are going to bother with a front pump peg.

I can't wait for "year two" and to see where I'll go on the Fargo. I also will have a "One Year Report" up on my blog yet this month too. Should be good!

Ride on Fargo-nauts!

[slocaus]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

And there are a couple of nits I have about the Fargo, that if I could change, I would.

• Single speed- Yes, you can get an ENO hub, but that doesn't appeal to me, and it won't work with an Alfine hub. I think the Fargo would rock with an internally geared hub.

I came soooooo close so many times to getting a Fargo, but my long range plans include an Alfine without a tensioner. Still, I was sorely tempted......

Now I have this, derailleur for now, but it will morph to an Alfine as funds allow.



Not trying to hijack, I think the Fargo is a wonderful bike; I'm not sure it invented the adventure bike category (we were all dreaming and talking about what we wanted in a all rounder bike here for some time). Salsa stepped up and produced that bike that many could afford, since a custom was going to be very pricey. They deserve huge credit for the fact that were willing to take the chance and build it (and they will come? yes, they did)! That is why I am still following this thread.

[Guitar Ted]

Here's the promised blog post on my year on a Fargo: http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com...sa-cycles.html

Can't wait for another year to start!

[bspstp]

I have a question for Fargo riders who have also spent alot of time on "standard 29ers." and cyclocross bikes.

Does it basically ride like a rigid 29er? or does it feel like a crossbike with big tires? If you're not going to load it for a divide ride, is a rider better off sticking with a crossbike or something like a karate monkey?

Trying to decide which way to go. I will always keep my cross bike, but not sure weather to go more mountain bike than the fargo. I pretty much only ride gravel roads. No trails within 60 miles of me. So I don't get there very often. I have a cross check, and love its versatility, that is what is appealing to me about the Fargo. options. Any insight would be appreciated.

[Guitar Ted]

I don't see a problem with a CrossCheck for basic gravel road riding. Unless you want to do something that requires racks, or you want options like multiple bottle mounts, I don't see a fargo being an advantage to you.

The Fargo rides like a rigid 29"er more than a cross bike. It is heavier, and will do single track, etc. really well.

A cross bike isn't really suited to single track, not like a Fargo is, and in general, they are lighter bikes.

I think what you would be best served by is a "Fargo lite". Something that had a Fargos load bearing capabilities, but not as off road oriented. And................I wouldn't be surprised to see such a bike from Salsa in the future.

Originally Posted by bspstp

I have a question for Fargo riders who have also spent alot of time on "standard 29ers." and cyclocross bikes.

Does it basically ride like a rigid 29er? or does it feel like a crossbike with big tires? If you're not going to load it for a divide ride, is a rider better off sticking with a crossbike or something like a karate monkey?

Trying to decide which way to go. I will always keep my cross bike, but not sure weather to go more mountain bike than the fargo. I pretty much only ride gravel roads. No trails within 60 miles of me. So I don't get there very often. I have a cross check, and love its versatility, that is what is appealing to me about the Fargo. options. Any insight would be appreciated.

[Doug_ID]

Is the crosscheck Fun Guy Green though ??

[Sometimes]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

...SNIP... and it won't work with an Alfine hub. ...SNIP...

Why not?

I realize it doesn't have any "built-in" means of adjusting chain tension but between chain/cog teeth, half links & full links that's 1/8", 1/4" & 1/2" of adjustment. Isn't that enough? Chains are supposed to be replaced anyway if there's more than 1/16" stretch so I really don't see adjustment being an issue. And from the slack in chains (sloppy!) I've seen on the SS bike pics on this site it doesn't seem to be an issue for many others who aren't using tensioners on non-SS-specific frames.

Having written all that ... I would prefer a built-in tensioner of some sort. That's the only thing that's stopping me from buying the frameset. I've put in bids on eBay on Mariachis (that's plural) but I keep on changing my mind & never following thru. The Fargo is just calling my name! Dont' particularly like the color (easily DIY remedied) but that is one sweet bike! And it's less than the Mariachi!

So ... GT ... why can't the Alfine be used? What about the Rohloff?

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by Sometimes

Why not?

I realize it doesn't have any "built-in" means of adjusting chain tension but between chain/cog teeth, half links & full links that's 1/8", 1/4" & 1/2" of adjustment. Isn't that enough? Chains are supposed to be replaced anyway if there's more than 1/16" stretch so I really don't see adjustment being an issue. And from the slack in chains (sloppy!) I've seen on the SS bike pics on this site it doesn't seem to be an issue for many others who aren't using tensioners on non-SS-specific frames.

Having written all that ... I would prefer a built-in tensioner of some sort. That's the only thing that's stopping me from buying the frameset. I've put in bids on eBay on Mariachis (that's plural) but I keep on changing my mind & never following thru. The Fargo is just calling my name! Dont' particularly like the color (easily DIY remedied) but that is one sweet bike! And it's less than the Mariachi!

So ... GT ... why can't the Alfine be used? What about the Rohloff?

Well, just read your response, you answered the question you asked for me.

[benwitt11]

I'm loving the new Fargo so far! Here are a few shots. More photos at my blog below. Cheers.

[klydesdale]

A little FYI to those of you considering a Fargo frameset: There appears to be some really good closeout pricing on '09 models right now. My favorite LBS said Salsa had lowered their cost by $150 and was able to offer me a price well south of $500. I don't know what the availability is for the "normal" sizes but when my shop checked QBP there were 15 XXLs in stock.

[Sometimes]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

Well, just read your response, you answered the question you asked for me.

Oh ...

Although I have an Alfine hub, I haven't yet built it up into a wheel so I'm not that familiar with it & I thought that perhaps the frame design prevented it's use.

It's good to read that it doesn't.

The Rohloff OTOH (which is what I'm using now & is why I haven't bothered with the Alfine yet) might be a different story due to the chainstay mounting of the disc brake caliper.

Thanks.

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by Sometimes

Oh ...

Although I have an Alfine hub, I haven't yet built it up into a wheel so I'm not that familiar with it & I thought that perhaps the frame design prevented it's use.

It's good to read that it doesn't.

The Rohloff OTOH (which is what I'm using now & is why I haven't bothered with the Alfine yet) might be a different story due to the chainstay mounting of the disc brake caliper.

Thanks.

Hope you get the Alfine to work in there for ya. It's just that it could be easier than messing with half links and what not.

Even having a semi-vertical drop would be enough to make SS-ing or internal hubs on a Fargo much easier. Just a suggestion for Salsa. (Of course, then you have the disc brake thing......)

[Doug_ID]

Was a little nervous walking away from the bike on this one....the bike is right on the edge of a 50+ foot cliff.

[Behindbars]

Woohoo! Got my XL Fargo Complete and I love it. So far I have put Planet bike fenders and Magicshine headlight on it. Still want to get a rear rack. Also want a kickstand. Can anyone recommend a good kickstand?

[VTFargo]

Here's my Fargo, just picked it up about a month ago. Haven't had time to do much riding, but so far its been great on the dirt roads and some single tracks here in Vermont. Next year I want to take it out West, perhaps the ACA Utah Cliffs route or some of the Great Divide. So far I've only mounted some water bottle holders, a Brooks B17, some Salsa brown bar tape over the original tape since I like a fat bar, a seatpost rack off another bike, and I made a front rack out of some aluminum stock from the hardware store. Did a quick overnight ride, camping off trail in the state forest. The Fargo is a great ride, can't wait until next year to really use it more.

[Fat & Hairy]

Congrats on your new ride. It looks awesome! I'm also in VT and feel the Fargo is the perfect all around machine for the riding here.

[WTB-rider]

The itch became more than I could bear, pulled the trigger on a Fargo today. Build pics to follow.

[JMKM]

That front rack is super rad!

[sanjuanswan]

With winter coming on, I'm thinking about riding the Fargo on the road again. Are there any tires I can put on my Delgado 29er Race rims that will increase my speed significantly over the Vulpines?

[hogprint]

Originally Posted by Behindbars

Can anyone recommend a good kickstand?

.....maybe this: http://www.biketrailershop.com/catal...tand-p-53.html

[Behindbars]

Originally Posted by hogprint

.....maybe this: http://www.biketrailershop.com/catal...tand-p-53.html

Thanks for the link! I will most likely go with that one.

[montclairbobbyb]

Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

Hope you get the Alfine to work

GT: I have an Alfine 29er wheel that I use on my Karate Monkey... But I've been meaning to try it out on the Fargo, especially for Winter commuting... I'll attempt to put it on the Fargo in the next few days and let you know how it goes. I have half links, and will first try to go without a tensioner; otherwise I will use the On One chain tensioner, which is a very simple, yet effective design, using the derailleur hanger to set the tension...

I can't imagine why it wouldn't be possible... we'll see...

BB

[Guitar Ted]

Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb

GT: I have an Alfine 29er wheel that I use on my Karate Monkey... But I've been meaning to try it out on the Fargo, especially for Winter commuting... I'll attempt to put it on the Fargo in the next few days and let you know how it goes. I have half links, and will first try to go without a tensioner; otherwise I will use the On One chain tensioner, which is a very simple, yet effective design, using the derailleur hanger to set the tension...

I can't imagine why it wouldn't be possible... we'll see...

BB

Cool! I look forward to your findings. I think that with what I have heard about Alfine it seems to be a great option that would make a Fargo even more versatile and desirable if it works with the bike.

I see Shimano is selling a wheelset too with the Alfine and a generator front hub. Could be a good match up for the right frame. My wheels are turning!

[montclairbobbyb]

Actually I forgot... I also have an Alfine spring-loaded, double pulley chain tensioner that I intend to try on the Fargo (with my existing SLX crankset) to allow shifting chainrings in the front, essentially give me a 2x8 setup... That would greatly extend the gear range of the Alfine hub. I currently run dual control XT levers, which I am sure won't be compatible with the Alfine hub (different cable pull length)... so I will probably pull the rear derailleur and cables, and throw on the Nexus 8-spd twist shifter and leave the dual controls on... Not very glam, but hopefully functional....

[mirrored]

Hello! I am very close to choose Fargo frameset to me. Geometry of Fargo is the most important for that choise. Long wheelbase, small HT angle, long chainstay, and short horisontal top tube.

I need badly to know what is the point of measure for standover height?
medium 31,6'' 803mm
large 33'' 840mm

Second, I need to find here photo of M or L Fargo, side profil. I try to see, how long my seatpost comes and what is the height of most highest part of the frame.

Horisontal TT is propably enought suitable with both frame sizes. M 575mm, L 585mm. Or what you can say about using short stem (60-80mm) - does it work good?

I have relatively long legs and short middle body. 184 89inseam 6' 1/2'' 35''
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=572293

thanks

[Doug_ID]

Here is a side profile of a medium.



I am a tad over 5'10" tall and about as close to "standard" dimensions as they come I think. The medium fits me great.

Good luck.

[mirrored]

Thank you! This is helpful. I try to form a picture how saddle and bar would take places in my cycle.

Seat tube (c-t) of the M is 457,2mm (18''). My saddle height to BB is 780-840mm for mountain fit. 840-457=383 , which is seatpost minus saddles own high. For road fit BB to saddle is 840-860mm.

Seat tube of the L is 508mm (20'').

Can you take a measurement from floor to top tubes upper join point to head tube? In M Standover height is 803mm (31,6''). What is the point it is measured? (It is near my suggest when I took measurements in that photo.)

* Standover height is based on using a 29x2.3 tire measuring 750mm in diameter http://www.salsacycles.com/fargo09.html

It would be excellent, if next picture is side profile of L. Thus I can go forward without it too. : XL is interesting too.

[jmadams13]

Originally Posted by mgersib

And you can't beat XC Pro thumb shifters running an M900 XTR cassette -- it's perfect 8-speed shifting.

A man to my heart. Not fargo related, but I have a XC pro group that I'm going to put on my CxC.

[Grizzed]

Baaah Humbug! I've got cable rub.

I can't be the only one. Anyone have thoughts on the preferred methods to address? Clear Tape? Lizard skins? Is there a clear paint? Has anyone tried to contact Salsa to see if they can get some fun guy green touch-up?

~~EDIT: Found my answer on salsa's FAQ
Do you offer touch-up paint?
Sorry. But the answer is nope. What we’d recommend is taking your frame to an automotive paint shop supplier. They should be able to make you a pretty good match so you can cover up your scratches.

[stwang5225]

Doug_ID,
May I ask what's the handlebar on your nice fargo?

[Doug_ID]

Originally Posted by stwang5225

Doug_ID,
May I ask what's the handlebar on your nice fargo?

Hi,

Soma Junebug..... http://www.somafab.com/bar_junebug.html

[mirrored]

That kind of flexible seatpost I see now second time. Are you satiesfied to it too?

Was the fork longer originally? I think it, becauce never met this kind of modern head. I have used only 80's cycles. My Fargo will get as long fork head, or even longer, if possibly and need.

I am afraid of choosing frame size still.

[Doug_ID]

Originally Posted by mirrored

That kind of flexible seatpost I see now second time. Are you satiesfied to it too?

Was the fork longer originally? I think it, becauce never met this kind of modern head. I have used only 80's cycles. My Fargo will get as long fork head, or even longer, if possibly and need.

I am afraid of choosing frame size still.

The Thudbuster seatpost is ok....I can take it or leave it.

I think I had an inch or two removed from the fork tube. But as you can see I use a lot of it.

[doubclik]

I'm cheap. Try glueless patches on a clean frame. Most seem to last a season or two at least. I switched to glueless full-time anyway, so I always have plenty around...

[montclairbobbyb]

Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb

GT: I have an Alfine 29er wheel that I use on my Karate Monkey... But I've been meaning to try it out on the Fargo, especially for Winter commuting... I'll attempt to put it on the Fargo in the next few days and let you know how it goes. I have half links, and will first try to go without a tensioner; otherwise I will use the On One chain tensioner, which is a very simple, yet effective design, using the derailleur hanger to set the tension...

I can't imagine why it wouldn't be possible... we'll see...

BB

I successfully created a 2x8 Alfine setup on the Fargo with the Alfine chain tensioner and my normal front derailleur... IT WORKS GREAT!!! And best of all I didn't have to remove any chainlinks... the conversion was easier than I expected... I removed my derailleur and cable... then installed the Alfine chain-tensioner, which is finely-made and has a super strong spring. I then installed the wheel with the Alfine hub (using the non-turn washers for the vert dropouts) and a Nexus grip shifter (which is a POS, but works)....On the Titec H-bar there's not much room for the grip shifter AND a set of Ergon grips, so I just used a shortie rubber SRAM grip... It'll suffice for now. Since I'm running dual control XT shifters (don't laugh, they work amazingly well on the H-bars), they're quite bulky and they interfere with the Alfine thumbshifters (damn!), so I need to use the grip shifter... If I end up liking this setup I may have to somehow tweak the brake/shifter setup... would love to have some kind of a rollamajig for my 9-speed dual control rear brake/shifter to make the cable pull length compatible with the 8 speed hub... hmmm....

I normally run a larger cog (22t) on the Alfine hub so I can ride it offroad and climb hills (on my Karate Monkey)... I can climb pretty much every hill I can with my derailleured 29er; but the downside is I pedal myself out rather quickly on fireroads... for me it's worth the tradeoff to be able to climb. On the Fargo, I get the same low gear range as on the Monkey, but NOW...lo and behold... when shifting to the large chainring I suddenly have high gears.... WOW!!! And it shifts flawlessly. Tomorrow I will take it on a nice long test ride and report back.

In the mean time it's late here, and I snapped a quick picture just to give you an idea of what it looks like.

So now my Alfine has a much wider gear range... pretty awesome!!... I think this is going to be my Winter commuter setup.



Peace,
BB

[occhilupo]

I happily received my Fargo frame last evening. I need to set up with Framesaver then as I begin to build I will post photos, looking forward to some feedback. I was going to go with the Soma Doublecross DC but thought here in Northern Vermont, the Fargo would be more fun and able to go pretty much anywhere. I look forward to getting some feedback on my build. Peace.

[WTB-rider]

Originally Posted by occhilupo

I happily received my Fargo frame last evening. I need to set up with Framesaver then as I begin to build I will post photos, looking forward to some feedback. I was going to go with the Soma Doublecross DC but thought here in Northern Vermont, the Fargo would be more fun and able to go pretty much anywhere. I look forward to getting some feedback on my build. Peace.

Lucky dog! Mine's supposed to arrive Monday.

[occhilupo]

Sweet, I ordered a bunch of parts for it this morning as well, XT/ Mavic wheelset, WTB Nano's, King headset...I'm stoked...it will be interesting to configure the stem/headset riser combo because of the unique geometry...I'm going to use my Jones bars, hopefully the Race Face stem I have will work ok; looks like I'll have to set the trainer up to find out.