Azonic Gravity or Astrix Havoc?

dkisluk · 09-25-2006

i was thinking about getting a new frame. do you think I should get an Azonic Gravity or Astrix Havoc? the only thing about the havoc is that if I break my deralleur hanger then I won't be able to replace it because I can't find anywhere to buy one. unless anyone knows where I can find one. so tell me what you think. the Azonic Gravity or Astrix Havoc frame?

Astrix · 09-25-2006

Hey dkisluk,

If you ever need a rear hanger replaced you can get one directly from us or have the bike shop you got the frame from order one. But the frame does also come with 1 extra replacement.

If you have any other concerns please feel free to drop us a line. Good luck on your search for a frame that fits your needs.

Regards,

Ryan Carroll
Astrix Sports

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 09-25-2006

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Hey dkisluk,

Ryan Carroll
Astrix Sports

very cool that the owner pipes in........personally I like the FSR rear end, but the floating brake takes care of that...

the Gravity has a replaceable dreailer hanger........I can't tell if the Astrik as a replaceable derailer hanger or if you have to replace the whole axle rear too

.WestCoastHucker. · 09-26-2006

after seeing and riding both bikes first hand, i wouldn't even consider the azonic in the same field as the Astrix.
the Astrix is a far superior bike in practically every aspect. the Astrix is a bike designed and manufactured by people who actually care about bikes instead of a bottom line.
the Gravity is a high riding bike (what feels like a 20"+ BB height) that also has a steep headangle, which is pretty twitchy for a DH sled if you ask me. with a suspension design that allows it to blow thru it's travel.
the Astrix uses the "moto-link" for a more progressive feel. it's travel feels like more of a bottomless and supple ride. the qualty of the craftsmanship is also at a much more top-notch construction level.
i would go bankrupt spending all of my money at Astrix before i spent a penny of an azonic product.....

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 09-26-2006

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Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.

aft
i would go bankrupt spending all of my money at Astrix before i spent a penny of an azonic product.....

that is why you have Outlaw rims

.WestCoastHucker. · 09-26-2006

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that is why you have Outlaw rims

lest you forget, the outlaws are actually rebadged Alex rims. azonic products on a whole are very crappy in my experience....

evannever · 09-26-2006

I've ridden with quite a few Astrix riders in the Gunnison, CO area and they usually can't say enough good things about those bikes.

I didn't know that about the Outlaws. Makes sense. I've ridden them for a summer and like the durability, but will upgrade to a lighter rim in a couple seasons.

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 09-26-2006

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Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.

lest you forget, the outlaws are actually rebadged Alex rims. azonic products on a whole are very crappy in my experience....

yeah yeah yeahs

BillyBob · 09-26-2006

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I've ridden with quite a few Astrix riders in the Gunnison, CO area and they usually can't say enough good things about those bikes.

Yep, those guys rave about them. The Huckster seems to be the popular all-around choice for freeride.

Khemical · 09-26-2006

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Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.

azonic products on a whole are very crappy in my experience....

What kind of bar was it that snapped on that huge huck of yours about a year ago?

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 09-26-2006

personally I would get the Gravity....very solid bike......and I love the FSR linkage (a proven winner)

.WestCoastHucker. · 09-26-2006

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What kind of bar was it that snapped on that huge huck of yours about a year ago?

Azonic Ultracross. 1 of 2 things i actually have love for from azonic (the other being a headlock).....

i've bent up their pedals in no time (a-frames and fusions), bent numerous h-bars, had horrible experiences with more than one of their stems (easily stripped threads, twisting and need a crowbar to get the stem off the steerer), bent a set of their cro-mo cranks in less than a month, their body armour falls apart in no time...

and this was all mine, i could easily quadruple the amount of crappy experiences if i include my friends who also have also tried their sub-par products...

.WestCoastHucker. · 09-26-2006

.......

Khemical · 09-26-2006

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Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.

after seeing and riding both bikes first hand, i wouldn't even consider the azonic in the same field as the Astrix.
the Astrix is a far superior bike in practically every aspect. the Astrix is a bike designed and manufactured by people who actually care about bikes instead of a bottom line.
the Gravity is a high riding bike (what feels like a 20"+ BB height) that also has a steep headangle, which is pretty twitchy for a DH sled if you ask me. with a suspension design that allows it to blow thru it's travel.
the Astrix uses the "moto-link" for a more progressive feel. it's travel feels like more of a bottomless and supple ride. the qualty of the craftsmanship is also at a much more top-notch construction level.
i would go bankrupt spending all of my money at Astrix before i spent a penny of an azonic product.....

My 2 cents: I don't think azonic ever bills themselves as a high-end manufacture, i.e. astrix, intense, etc. They are and have always been a supplier of low-cost, reliable (I think) parts. Nothing less, nothing more.

For the $$$ I think the Gravity is a great frame but comparing it to an Astrix is like comparing a Giant to a Knolly. They're just not in the same category.

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 09-26-2006

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Originally Posted by Khemical

My 2 cents: I don't think azonic ever bills themselves as a high-end manufacture, i.e. astrix, intense, etc. They are and have always been a supplier of low-cost, reliable (I think) parts. Nothing less, nothing more.

For the $$$ I think the Gravity is a great frame but comparing it to an Astrix is like comparing a Giant to a Knolly. They're just not in the same category.

very true but I would put the Recoil up against them all

.WestCoastHucker. · 09-26-2006

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very true but I would put the Recoil up against them all

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
i've had a walmart mongoose that lasted longer than your recoil....

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 09-26-2006

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Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
i've had a walmart mongoose that lasted longer than your recoil....

I broke it...my fault......I could break your bike the same way

.WestCoastHucker. · 09-26-2006

if my bike can withstand what i do to it, there is no way you catching 6 inches of air and landing on the seat is going to break my bike (how SMT's recoil broke) considering i have fallen 30 feet and landed on the seat. besides, when i crash and my bike goes flipping, there is more force on my seat tower than was used to break yours.....

and don't blame it on the seat leverage either, there are tons of dudes that use that big seat (more azonic junk) and none of their bikes are breaking because of it and 90% of them go bigger than you much more frequently than you and land on thier seat all the time...

your recoil was junk and only lasted so long because you were scared to punish it (which would have led to a much earlier death) you act like the internet DH extrodinaire, but those of us who know you and have ridden with you, know you ride at an aggressive cross country level at best....

evannever · 09-26-2006

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Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.

your recoil was junk and only lasted so long because you were scared to punish it (which would have led to a much earlier death) you act like the internet DH extrodinaire, but those of us who know you and have ridden with you, know you ride at an aggressive cross country level at best....

OUCH!
Where I come from, them's fighin' werds ...Sorta Like Telling BillyBob I would vote his favorite ride for XC ride of the year.

Frankenschwinn · 09-26-2006

My friend had a gravity and I did not like the ride at all.. The geo was WACK. Extremely high bottom bracket or really slack. Not sure if he had it set up correctly but I did not like it at all. BTW I ride a V10

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 09-26-2006

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Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.

if those of us who know you and have ridden with you, know you ride at an aggressive cross country level at best....

whatever............................

schnauzer · 10-05-2006

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schnauzer · 10-05-2006

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Originally Posted by Khemical

My 2 cents: I don't think azonic ever bills themselves as a high-end manufacture, i.e. astrix, intense, etc. They are and have always been a supplier of low-cost, reliable (I think) parts. Nothing less, nothing more.

For the $$$ I think the Gravity is a great frame but comparing it to an Astrix is like comparing a Giant to a Knolly. They're just not in the same category.

P.S Astrix is made over sees from same people who made Azonic frames. Both great frames high end yes. Ellsworth are suppost to be high end but I would take either of the two before a over priced high end ellsworth.

schnauzer · 10-05-2006

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Originally Posted by .WestCoastHucker.

if my bike can withstand what i do to it, there is no way you catching 6 inches of air and landing on the seat is going to break my bike (how SMT's recoil broke) considering i have fallen 30 feet and landed on the seat. besides, when i crash and my bike goes flipping, there is more force on my seat tower than was used to break yours.....

and don't blame it on the seat leverage either, there are tons of dudes that use that big seat (more azonic junk) and none of their bikes are breaking because of it and 90% of them go bigger than you much more frequently than you and land on thier seat all the time...

your recoil was junk and only lasted so long because you were scared to punish it (which would have led to a much earlier death) you act like the internet DH extrodinaire, but those of us who know you and have ridden with you, know you ride at an aggressive cross country level at best....

Delete I just think it.

Fulton · 10-05-2006

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Originally Posted by schnauzer

P.S Astrix is made over sees from same people who made Azonic frames. Both great frames high end yes. Ellsworth are suppost to be high end but I would take either of the two before a over priced high end ellsworth.

same country, but different companies.

schnauzer · 10-05-2006

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Originally Posted by Fulton

same country, but different companies.

Like I said same people

Khemical · 10-05-2006

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Originally Posted by schnauzer

P.S Astrix is made over sees from same people who made Azonic frames. Both great frames high end yes. Ellsworth are suppost to be high end but I would take either of the two before a over priced high end ellsworth.

huh...did not know that. Then why are Astrix frames so much more expensive than 'Zonics?

And for what it's worth, I'd never ride a hellsworth(less). Meh. Gimme a Turner, Santa Cruz or Intense anyday.

bleu · 10-05-2006

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Originally Posted by schnauzer

P.S Astrix is made over sees from same people who made Azonic frames. Both great frames high end yes. Ellsworth are suppost to be high end but I would take either of the two before a over priced high end ellsworth.

Uh, yeah...

The Astrix and Azonic are nearly identical (and really fvcking ugly) Taiwanese catalogue frames. Hell, they probably come out of the same factory. To argue which one is "better" quality-wise is pointless and stupid.

However, key difference...The Gravity is a "true" 4-bar or Horst linkage (FSR), whereas the Havoc is a "faux"-bar (linkage actuated single-pivot). Suspension performance will be nearly identical except in one key situation, that being during braking. The Havoc will likely stiffen up under braking and experience something called "brake squat" or jack, where the suspension won't work partway through its travel.

Given the choice between the two, I'd take the Gravity based on this. Aside from that, they're virtually the same frames build/quality-wise.

Fulton · 10-05-2006

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Originally Posted by bleu

Uh, yeah...

The Astrix and Azonic are nearly identical (and really fvcking ugly) Taiwanese catalogue frames. Hell, they probably come out of the same factory. To argue which one is "better" quality-wise is pointless and stupid.

However, key difference...The Gravity is a "true" 4-bar or Horst linkage (FSR), whereas the Havoc is a "faux"-bar (linkage actuated single-pivot). Suspension performance will be nearly identical except in one key situation, that being during braking. The Havoc will likely stiffen up under braking and experience something called "brake squat" or jack, where the suspension won't work partway through its travel.

Given the choice between the two, I'd take the Gravity based on this. Aside from that, they're virtually the same frames build/quality-wise.

uh, have you even seen the havoc?

bleu · 10-05-2006

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uh, have you even seen the havoc?

Whoa, yes...glanced over occasional interwebs pictures and seen/sat on a couple in person.

And I've completely overlooked what you're in theory pointing out. Man, I feel stupid.

It's not a faux-bar...it also has the chainstay pivot? Is it a Lawill or just a concentric SP?

Seems that even with the CS pivot, it still needs a floater, thus validating what I said about brake jack with the Havoc. However, it doesn't appear to be a linkage-actuated single pivot.

SHIVER ME TIMBERS · 10-06-2006

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Originally Posted by Fulton

uh, have you even seen the havoc?

no but i would take FSR over faux 4 bar or single pivot

Spero · 10-06-2006

there's a pretty large consistency of hucksters around here and the occasional havoc...everyone I know riding one swears by them. Customer service is way up there as well.

Drew@WS · 10-06-2006

I own a Havoc, no problems, I've ridden it at Northstar, Downieville, Pacifica, Santa Cruz, ect. I've bottomed it out many times, no problems. A little vertical play when I pull up on the seat and stand on my wheel and they showed me how to fix it when I was at interbike. Good bike, balanced, jumps well. Try one, I did and I like it.

schnauzer · 10-06-2006

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Originally Posted by bleu

Uh, yeah...

The Astrix and Azonic are nearly identical (and really fvcking ugly) Taiwanese catalogue frames. Hell, they probably come out of the same factory. To argue which one is "better" quality-wise is pointless and stupid.

However, key difference...The Gravity is a "true" 4-bar or Horst linkage (FSR), whereas the Havoc is a "faux"-bar (linkage actuated single-pivot). Suspension performance will be nearly identical except in one key situation, that being during braking. The Havoc will likely stiffen up under braking and experience something called "brake squat" or jack, where the suspension won't work partway through its travel.

Given the choice between the two, I'd take the Gravity based on this. Aside from that, they're virtually the same frames build/quality-wise.

Bottom line is there just is not that mutch difference in the quality of bikes other than paint. I say this because I have owned 23 different frames. Just ask my wife she freeks out every time I am on computer. She thinks I am looking for another frame to buy.
Anyway, as for quality say the only frame I was more impressed with as far as welds and detail over the others was my Ventanna LaBruja. Still I cant say it would out last my current Azonic gravity.

Fulton · 10-07-2006

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Originally Posted by SHIVER ME TIMBERS

no but i would take FSR over faux 4 bar or single pivot

But why male models?

(The havoc is neither " faux 4 bar or single pivot"

Fulton · 10-07-2006

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Originally Posted by bleu

Whoa, yes...glanced over occasional interwebs pictures and seen/sat on a couple in person.

And I've completely overlooked what you're in theory pointing out. Man, I feel stupid.

It's not a faux-bar...it also has the chainstay pivot? Is it a Lawill or just a concentric SP?

Seems that even with the CS pivot, it still needs a floater, thus validating what I said about brake jack with the Havoc. However, it doesn't appear to be a linkage-actuated single pivot.

i think it comes with a floater, or atleast it's an option. If i had to guess, I would say it a modified lawwill

Fulton · 10-07-2006

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Originally Posted by schnauzer

Like I said same people

well, those people build some of the highest quality, most advanced bicycles in the world, as well as $59 walmart bikes, so...

schnauzer · 10-07-2006

[quote=Fulton]well, those people build some of the highest quality, most advanced bicycles in the world, as well as $59 walmart bikes, so...[/QUO

I agree with you!

Fulton · 10-07-2006

[quote=schnauzer]

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well, those people build some of the highest quality, most advanced bicycles in the world, as well as $59 walmart bikes, so...[/QUO

I agree with you!

awesome, not many do!

peace

bleu · 10-07-2006

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well, those people build some of the highest quality, most advanced bicycles in the world, as well as $59 walmart bikes, so...

Not really.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a Wal-Mart bike made in Taiwan.

There is a HUGE difference in the quality of stuff that comes out of Taiwan and the stuff that comes out of China, don't confuse them.

Fulton · 10-08-2006

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Originally Posted by bleu

Not really.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a Wal-Mart bike made in Taiwan.

There is a HUGE difference in the quality of stuff that comes out of Taiwan and the stuff that comes out of China, don't confuse them.

Yes really. I have dealt first hand with many of these companies. Framesets that cost $7. yes, $7. Walmart quality.

schnauzer · 10-10-2006

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Yes really. I have dealt first hand with many of these companies. Framesets that cost $7. yes, $7. Walmart quality.

Dont confuse me saying I agree with you that the $7 frames are the same quality. Made by same company but not same quality. They to make high end frames as well as low end frames.