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    X-Fusion Metric

    Tried to search some reviews about this fork, nothing found.
    Is there anyone out there who has it? would like to hear some opinions.

    Im considering this for my Bronson, mainly because its 27.5" specific and takes 20mm hubs. Did not find any other 27.5 forks with 20mm axle.

    I heard that 26" & 27.5" models have same lowers, only the crown is different, was wondering how much clearance there is for 650b 2.35" hans dampf with wide rim.

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    So new, doubt there will be any reviews for a few months. According to X-Fusion Facebook site the Metrics are shipping from their warehouse. You might want to call John Valera (831) 531-4120, he is pretty good about picking up the phone.

    BOS also makes a 27.5 for with 20mm axle. Check out these sites...they are available.
    Art's Cyclery
    27.5"/650B Mountain Bike Suspension Forks
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    Yeah, thats what i thought, its way too new.
    For some reason Im not too excited about Bos, I guess i just have to go and order Metric

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    Keep an eye on Bikes, Bike Reviews, Cycling Routes, Race News - BikeRadar , they always seem to get X-Fusion products first to review. If the Metric is what X-Fusion preaches as the next generation/improvement to the Vengeance, I seriously doubt you will be disappointed, I have a Vengeance HLR Coil and its darn good.

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    Saw one in person today that John had on display at a demo... For what it's worth sweep/slant are noticeably lighter..

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeti575inCA View Post
    Saw one in person today that John had on display at a demo... For what it's worth sweep/slant are noticeably lighter..
    That's kind of like saying a float 34 is noticeably lighter than a float 180.

    The metric to me it looks like they separated the 26 and 27.5 models, gave it 180mm and knocked about 140g off the fork. Seems to be the same air spring and damper as before. So, not much of a weight or a2c penalty compared to the competition now. If they keep the msrp a little cheaper than the lyrik and fox then I'd see no reason to get either of them. You get the better damper and air spring with none of the issues of before.

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    Yeah, i think i just go ahead and buy one tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    Yeah, i think i just go ahead and buy one tomorrow.
    Be sure to share first impressions and photos

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    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    Yeah, i think i just go ahead and buy one tomorrow.
    Love this. Dive in head first! I did the same with my Vengeance and have been impressed ever since.

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    Looking at buying one of these before next season (though in 26"). Post up lots of pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    Yeah, i think i just go ahead and buy one tomorrow.
    Let us know what X-Fusion has to say in regards to on-hand stock. Sometimes it came be hit or miss with them....pretty much one of their only negatitve issues is availble inventory. Guess their stuff is getting higher demand...good for them.

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    X-Fusion Metric

    Well, i just tried to buy one. Have been talking with them about 27.5" specific Metric for the past 2 weeks, now that i said take my money, i was told that 27.5" Metric is not available and it takes about 3 months before it is.
    Dont know what to think about all this now.
    I cant wait 3 months, have to find another fork for my Bronson, but more importantly this was my 1st time talking with them, i was ready to buy after all the back and fort emailing and now its not available, might be that i misunderstood somerhing but i was talking about 27.5" metric and they told me im in luck, they just got them.
    Damn. I was so ready to be done with internet mountainbiking and actually be ready to hit the trails.



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    Yeah, feel your pain. I wanted a Slant, they originally quoted my a delivery date of Sep 2012. I finally got one in May 2013. Hate to say it, but if they quoted 3 months, it might as well be 6 months. Not their fault (I want to believe)...I've read they are subject to the "mother-ship" in Taiwan impacting their product on hand. I've found UK bike shops get X-Fusion products faster than we do in the USA. I actually got my Slant from 18 Bikes LTD in the UK... FORKS :: X Fusion :: 18 Bikes Web Shop

    Sorry to hear...bummer man. Best to you on you search.

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    If you don't need those 10mm you could just get the Vengeance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by honns View Post
    If you don't need those 10mm you could just get the Vengeance?
    The Metric is lighter and has a better featureset, though I'm not sure how much use stuff like the neutralization valves will be.

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    Had the same issue, I actually always wanted a Venegence, but took a closer look at the Metric, dealer confirmed not yet available.

    I went for a Venegnce HLR air and it kicks arse, best damped fork Ive ever ridden! and after seeing, riding some of the latest forks from others I couldn't be happier!

    Weight is a non issue, it actually rides way better, coming off a Float 34, I don't miss the lighter weight one bit, but in terms of dampening its just blown my mind, no other manafacturer has come close imo out of the box to this in performance! 34, 36s I've owned don't come close to this performance.

    Nuetra valves are just an air release not a big issue, Metric looks sic though, def be looking at one in the future!

    Plus the Ven/Metric use ITA internal travel adjust, its easy to internally set the travel where you want it, metric anywhere between 150mm - 180mm, Vengence depending on which model 100-150-170mm
    I have mine at 160mm.

    Zocchis, Foxs over them, would love to test a Pike back to back to the Veng, heard they are having bushing issues at the harder end of the riding scale, now it's been around a bit def something I wanted to avoid.

    Def don't feel I'm missing out on Metric or the Pike for that matter.

    I just want to ride the shite out of this thing, no excuses now

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    Got my metric today. Looks good, graphics are bit ugly but I don't care about it.
    Couple more days and I can go for first test drive

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    bummer

    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    Well, i just tried to buy one. Have been talking with them about 27.5" specific Metric for the past 2 weeks, now that i said take my money, i was told that 27.5" Metric is not available and it takes about 3 months before it is.
    Dont know what to think about all this now.
    I cant wait 3 months, have to find another fork for my Bronson, but more importantly this was my 1st time talking with them, i was ready to buy after all the back and fort emailing and now its not available, might be that i misunderstood somerhing but i was talking about 27.5" metric and they told me im in luck, they just got them.
    Damn. I was so ready to be done with internet mountainbiking and actually be ready to hit the trails.
    This is what he told me last year.. 3 mo for 27.5"... I'll believe it when I see one
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    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    Got my metric today. Looks good, graphics are bit ugly but I don't care about it.
    Couple more days and I can go for first test drive
    Great, 26" or 27.5"?

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    26" since the only difference is 4mm offset on a crown, lowers are the same.
    I would have taken the 27,5" but I can not wait 3 months

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    Congrats!!
    Post some pics & a review when you get a chance.

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    X-Fusion Metric



    It came with 4 sets of different decals so its easier to match it with rest of the bike


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    Good job! looks tastey

    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    26" since the only difference is 4mm offset on a crown, lowers are the same.
    I would have taken the 27,5" but I can not wait 3 months

    Are you sure that's the only diff, should have more tire clearance too right.. or what's the clearance from axle to arch on the 26?
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    X-Fusion Metric

    Thats what i was told by x-fusion dudes, lowers are the same, enough clearance for 27,5. My friend has older 26" vengeance and he is using it with 27,5" wheel.
    That was my concern as well if there is better clearance for 27,5" but no, its the same for both


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    The vengeance was always a 27.5" fork. According to their website the 27.5" metric has 5mm longer a2c besides the offset change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    Thats what i was told by x-fusion dudes, lowers are the same, enough clearance for 27,5. My friend has older 26" vengeance and he is using it with 27,5" wheel.
    That was my concern as well if there is better clearance for 27,5" but no, its the same for both


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    Please five us a reveiw when ya can, also love to hear what you think of it compared to your freinds Venegence (depending on what year it is and if air or coil) Im running a 13 Veng HLR air which is the best fork Ive ever run, it kills anything on the market Ive tired or owned. Also wanted a Metric but couldnt wait.

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    What's the msrp difference btw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taikuri View Post
    Thats what i was told by x-fusion dudes, lowers are the same, enough clearance for 27,5. My friend has older 26" vengeance and he is using it with 27,5" wheel.
    That was my concern as well if there is better clearance for 27,5" but no, its the same for both
    Quote Originally Posted by kan3 View Post
    The vengeance was always a 27.5" fork. According to their website the 27.5" metric has 5mm longer a2c besides the offset change.
    I read that the 26" and 27.5" share the same lowers, too.

    I think the 27.5" upper adds that 4mm offset AND that 5mm height to give a better crown clearance at full compression.


    The Vengeance as I see it is a 26" fork with a 27.5 clearance, as the offset is 26"-like

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    Tapered steerers might be an especially incremental upgrade, but it adds up. Long travel bikes are a lot lighter than they used to be.

    Edit: VVVV S/He means using a 1.125 steerer in a 1.5 headtube to get more head angle adjustment with an angleset. You can get up to 3 degrees with that setup, but only 1.5 with tapered IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bannedaroo View Post
    I could have gotten a Metric and would have liked the additional offset, but totally disappointed that it only comes in tapered steerer. I'm all about 1.5 HT's and 1.125" steer tubes for HA adjustment. The industry is backing itself into a corner with some of these "standards," IMO.
    How? How many frames can you name that are designed to use a 180mm fork made in the last few of years have a straight 1.125" headtube? Why, as a company would you manufacture a completely separate csu just to sell to a very small market of people with 5+ year old frames?

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    Tapered headtubes are a stiffer interface than a 1.125. That is part of the reason customers/manufacturers have moved on to tapered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bannedaroo View Post
    lol, my 5+ year old frames suit me fine.
    No one said it didn't

    I understand it from a profitability standpoint, but that does not mean that it's completely logical as a consumer.
    Phasing out outdated stuff generally doesn't make people who don't want to adapt happy.

    Tapered headtubes don't appeal to me in the least.
    They don't need to appeal to you as a feature. I could care less about tapered as well.

    I'd rather have the benefit of adjustment than worry about a lb in weight savings.
    These two items are independent.



    Speaking of being logical, I don't find your thoughts on this logical personally. Pretty much any 5+ year old frame is going to be a cheap $500ish purchase used. Why would you spend $900-1000 on a new fork that's 50% or more of the value of your entire 2008 bike? You'd be far better off selling your frame, spending $1000 on a nice used frame and using the money from the original frame to buy that fork used. A year after it's release you'll find it for 50% value easily. Assuming you buy quality used then you just got a new gen fork and frame for what you had into your old gen frame and new fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan3 View Post
    ...These two items are independent...
    If the larger interface is stronger, you should be able to make the frame/fork lighter by using less material while maintaining the same strength. No idea how that works out in the real world, I agree with your other points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    If the larger interface is stronger, you should be able to make the frame/fork lighter by using less material while maintaining the same strength. No idea how that works out in the real world, I agree with your other points.
    He mentioned benefit of adjustment compared to saving weight. I'm assuming he meant a better damper/features compared to new chassis design. The two are independent obviously unless he meant something else for adjustment.

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    I edited my post above to explain:

    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    ...using a 1.125 steerer in a 1.5 headtube to get more head angle adjustment with an angleset. You can get up to 3 degrees with that setup, but only 1.5 with tapered IIRC.

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    Can we ditch the logical pissing contest for a ride report from taikuri?

    I'm much more interested in how the Metric rides compared to other forks than a rehash of arguments of tapered vs straight or discussions about bike depreciation.

    I've seen one Metric on the trails so far but the LBS has run out of them again. Looks like a great potential dual-crown replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble View Post
    I'm much more interested in how the Metric rides compared to other forks than a rehash of arguments of tapered vs straight or discussions about bike depreciation.
    Have you ever ridden a vengeance? This fork is a couple hundred grams lighter, has 10mm more travel, the same damper and a slightly improved air spring. It should ride almost identical to a vengeance. It even has a shorter a2c than the vengeance in 26". Did you have some concerns about it?

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    It also has ITA so its not limited to a dual crown replacement, its also a hardcore Enduro fork, ya can keep ya 34 mm POS, I run a 13 Vengeance now and its the best damped fork Ive ridden, ridden all the 13 stuff except the BOS Deville, which is definitely not as stiff as a Vengeance, bring on the review of the Metric, yeahaa

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    X-Fusion Metric

    Bought one today for my banshee rune, ive had it adjusted to 160 to start with , cant wait to ride this fork

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    X-Fusion Metric

    Will give a short review in a few weeks time

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    Does anybody know where to get the Metric? I've looked online to see if any of the online bike shops have them, but haven't seen any yet. And, how much $ are they going for? I would really like one for my 2011 Kona Coilair. I just converted it to 27.5, but it's a little tight in the Lyric.

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    I bought it directly from X-fusion from US. i paid 999USD

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    Cool, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachem6 View Post
    Does anybody know where to get the Metric? I've looked online to see if any of the online bike shops have them, but haven't seen any yet. And, how much $ are they going for? I would really like one for my 2011 Kona Coilair. I just converted it to 27.5, but it's a little tight in the Lyric.
    They didn't have the 650b offset when I called..

    What's up with the damper on these, I've seen no tear down/service instructions like the Veng damper had (can't find those vids anymore either)?? Love to hear if stiffness compares to the 180mm fox or the 66
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    they dont have the 27.5 offset in the UK either , Ive bought the version in stock which i believe to be a 26 version and will be running it on 27.5, checked the clearance las night with stans flow /hans dampf 2.35 / 27.5 and its about 10mm on the arch and at bottom out its 15mm on the crown , so plenty there. Not sure if the offset will make a huge difference in handling . the headangle on the banshee rune is pretty slack anyway which should make up for that ,

    opinions please ?

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    Have had a couple rides on my Metric and so far really impressed! I think it is actually very light for a 180mm travel fork, certainly saved some pounds over the 66 it replaced. Got mine from Renegade Cycle Solutions here in Canada and the service was top notch. Comes with a proprietary brake adaptor from 180mm post mount to 200mm. Was told the 42mm offset Metric will work with 27.5 with no modifications and on my Canfield One with a 65 degree head angle I didn't think I needed the 46mm offset. The damping is pretty stellar, easy to find a good setup on the first ride and provided great balance with the CCDB Air it is paired with. The reduction in unsprung weight from my old fork (66 RC2X) is quite noticeable and quickly calmed all fears about going with air over coil for me. First tapered steerer fork I've had also and the improvement in tracking was a real eye opener for me. Less hand fatigue on a long downhill day had me marvelling at the stiffness for the weight the Metric comes in at. Still dialling in settings over the winter and will try out 27.5 in the front next year. Agree with an earlier poster about the graphics but a sharpie murdered mine out all quick like. Cheers!

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    Has anyone weighed their new Metric? I know claimed weight is 2200 but I saw this pic online where they weighed one at 4.14 lbs/1878 grams

    New Prototype X-Fusion Sweep 27.5/650B Fork and 180mm Metric and RV1 DH Fork Weighed

    May have been lighter since it was a prototype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottW View Post
    Has anyone weighed their new Metric? I know claimed weight is 2200 but I saw this pic online where they weighed one at 4.14 lbs/1878 grams

    New Prototype X-Fusion Sweep 27.5/650B Fork and 180mm Metric and RV1 DH Fork Weighed

    May have been lighter since it was a prototype.
    4 lbs 14 oz is 2.21 kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    4 lbs 14 oz is 2.21 kg
    Yep you're right. I looked at 2 different convertors that said 1877 but did the math myself and get 2207. Can't even trust the internet now,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottW View Post
    Yep you're right. I looked at 2 different convertors that said 1877 but did the math myself and get 2207. Can't even trust the internet now,,,
    It works when you use the correct units with the correct converters (like this one)

    You are converting 4.14lbs -> 1.88kg

    You should be converting 4lb 14oz to get 2.21kg.

    Got to love the Imperial units system. Not

    Looking forward to some more Metric reviews though. And actual fork availability...

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