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    X-Fusion Metric

    Nightjr, im not getting full use of my travel either, pretty much the same as you. I think i got full use once and that was on about a 6 ft drop, normal trail riding and jumps dont seem to use all the travel , id be interested in hearing how i can get full use of travel though


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    Maybe it is because it is intended for freeride and it has so much progresiveness at the end of the stroke that it is almost impossible to get full travel unless you do 6ft drop.

    I guess it is the way it works.

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    how do you measure you're sag? in which riding position?

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    I measure it in "downhill" position. That is the way I was told to do it. Is that correct?

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    X-Fusion Metric

    I get someone to hold the bike , first i get into a standing position and compress the forks a few times, thereafter remain standing like i was on the trail, and push the o rong down, i then get off the bike very carefully making sure i dont compress the forks any further.


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    Which means?

    I like Dave Weagles approach, he differentiates between "Trail" and DH setups...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYqv3OB9-4Y

    Make sure the suspension settles in to the travel, compression damping messes with sag if you don't give it time to settle in to the travel...

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    I do it just like the guy from the video does.

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    well... seems you're doing it right. have no idea why you guys don't get more travel. But then again, I don't run in to the last 2-2,5cm on my standard trail runs as well. I have to be pushing really hard on a more DH style track with a massive G-out or overshooting landings to get into those last 20mm, which is actually ok for me because I like to have the midstroke support and something in reserve when it gets really gnarly or I happen to F***up (which happens more often than I like )

    I would probably try going down on pressure in really small steps to see if I could find a sweet spot compromise between sag and travel usage. might have to compensate a bit with LSC/HSC

    but then again, if it feels good on trail I wouldn't worry to much about it...

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    I've just talk to a suspension pro, and he just told me the same as you did. Lower the air pressure and play with the compression. Since it is the better that the fork get its support from the hidraulic part than from the air itself.

    Also he told me that if I feel like it is diving too much because of low pressure, to put like 40 - 60ml oil on damper side to get better support, only on damper side. On the other side keep the 20ml.

    I will be trying this setup to try to reach the best combination I can get. I will try to keep you updated!

    Thankyou very much for all your help. I really aprreciate it.

    He told me that I won't get too much, because it looks like the air chamber is very small... but keeping it with low air pressure will let me get more travel without having to make 6ft jumps

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    Ohhhh, don't put 40-60ml on the damper side, you will most likely get hydraulic lockout with that much oil... if you do then you would have to test if you get full travel by removing the valve core before riding it!

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    I am going to try first playing with compressions. If I can't get what I want that way, I will try the 40-60ml oil without air to check if I get the full travel. Everything is going to be checked thoroughfully before using it on a route.

    Either way, if it doesn't work the way I want, in mid August I will send it to DRS (in Spain) and they will try to fit a coil in it. Hope it can be done (they think is possible). They will try to fit the 55 ti coil to save as much weight as possible.

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    Hi guys. I don't have a Metric but this is an interesting discussion as I am also trying to set up my fork and use the same approach. That means that I set my sag first and then I try to fine tune the fork with the rebound, LSC and HSC settings depending on the terrain I am riding.

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    Thats it Paris!!!

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    I just ordered a used 2014 Metric (650b compatible) in "excelllent" condition for $675...apparently less than 20 hrs and a fresh service. Good deal? I'm upgrading (hopefully) the 2014 Fox 34 TALAS CTD that came on my bike after finding that I need to ride 30psi more than recommended with my rebound speed set really high to keep it from diving and packing up through rock gardens. Which obviously makes for a ridiculously uncomfortable ride through small chatter. How stoked should I expect to be with the Metric? I'm really expecting a night and day difference and wanna build some positive anticipation while I'm waiting on the mail. I'm also getting a beefier front wheel too, so big things are happening up front.

    Its interesting that I don't see more of these at the bike park--pikes definitely dominate the single crown market from what I can tell, but with the sweep being directly compared to the pike in some circles, I'd think that this should obviously be a way better choice for people riding long travel trail bikes. Is that right?

    Does the Metric sh*t on the Pike? Is the Sweep much more Pike-like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluntrager View Post
    I just ordered a used 2014 Metric (650b compatible) in "excelllent" condition for $675...apparently less than 20 hrs and a fresh service. Good deal? I'm upgrading (hopefully) the 2014 Fox 34 TALAS CTD that came on my bike after finding that I need to ride 30psi more than recommended with my rebound speed set really high to keep it from diving and packing up through rock gardens. Which obviously makes for a ridiculously uncomfortable ride through small chatter. How stoked should I expect to be with the Metric? I'm really expecting a night and day difference and wanna build some positive anticipation while I'm waiting on the mail. I'm also getting a beefier front wheel too, so big things are happening up front.

    Its interesting that I don't see more of these at the bike park--pikes definitely dominate the single crown market from what I can tell, but with the sweep being directly compared to the pike in some circles, I'd think that this should obviously be a way better choice for people riding long travel trail bikes. Is that right?

    Does the Metric sh*t on the Pike? Is the Sweep much more Pike-like?
    Would have loved a Metric, XF which Im a fan of are just to slow to market, I have a Venegence HLR air and Pike and 34 Float, the newest Float is a big improvement over the previous 34s and way way better than the crap Talas.

    Vs Pike, I think it depends on what you like, if a Fox fan then the newer 34 will be good for most, esspecially magpies who like Kashima coating.

    I still prefer the Pike, but every man and his dog has one, it is good just too popular, good for Sram.

    Venegence, what I notice is the dampening is as good as anything on the market, if you set it you set it up properly, I had a chance to buy a BOS, but went Pike, I rate the XF Vengeance with HLR damper as good as the BOS and Pike in damoer department and esspecially in durability and serviceability, simple.

    The difference betwen the Pike and Vengeance and Metric is stiffness, I dont care what BS anyone tells me I can feel flex in the 15mm axle vs 20mm, this is the 3rd time I have switched back and I can tell straight away everytime on my home trails.

    XF 36mm + 20mm axles is superior to BOS, Pike with 15mm and 34s in stiffness and stability.

    That said the Pike still holds up well and where it makes up for it, is in weight, so longer rides or Enduros, that weight performance ratio is telling, if the Pike came with a 20mm axle option then Id say it would be perfect for me and total winner, 20mm axle js every bit as light, more industry BS re 15mm..

    The Metric is only slightly lighter than the Vengeance and lower a2c, for me a2c is not an issue, I like it higher, but the bleed valves nice touch, I use it allot on my Float 40s after long runs and notice the difference.

    The reason you dont see as many XF vs Pikes or Fox is pure ignorance and porn snobbery!

    If you ride park or hard out Enduro All Mountain and trail riding, the only thing youll give up is a slight weight advantage to the Pike, but more than make up for it stiffness and stability.


    I see Brian Lopes was testing out a 2016, yes 2016 Sweep with the HLR damper apparently and it looked like a new crown and lower leg design, maybe 35 or still 34 but flared more for extra stiffness maybe.

    Get a Metric, Fox has gone back to 36 and making it better, others will follow, XF they have lead the way back to real forks on real bikes.

    I said this when the 34 first came out, it was for a gap in the market where 32mm was being stretched to far, then Fox and bike manafactures did the same stupid thing with the 34" stretched it too far and tried to please too many people and pleasing no one.

    34mm 130-150mm travel for proper riders!
    35/36 160 - 170mm tavel pretty simple.

    The other thing I notice about XF more so over Fox, but also over the Pike, is its like the fork is not moving, but it is its very stable does its job without you realising it, bike remains stable no pitchyness, where as the Fox is very busy seems to be working over time and then some, it may seem like a fast fork to some, eg ride fast, but its out of control and overwhelmed most of the time, which actually means the ruder us working harder and ultimately slower, I know this is backed up by a freind I recently got onto a Vengeance off a 36 Talas as couldnt get a new damper for it or a Float replacement.
    Pros are not riding the same Fox as you and I thats a definite.


    After first ride on his new Veng, he set PRs and his comment was, for the first time he could concentrate on riding, the Veng fork he didnt notice, where as the 36 Talas he had in comparison said it felt really busy on the same trail, the bike would pitch allot and he would always be trying to adjust to that while riding, now he says he just concentrates on riding down the trail as fast as possible for his skill, the bike fork is forgotten, that hos good suspension should be.

    Every ride he gets new PRs dam it.
    Ive turned him into a beast!

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    By no means is XF perfect, I think they could do a better job of providing tunning info, custom tunning options and setups.

    Service info in more detail and detail on reducing travel not just ITA for example.

    Like the Sweep a lighter getter Syntace axle which us one of the best and easiest to use, not on the Metripc to save weight, sure though they coukd have made a light one.

    Not much else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick005 View Post
    By no means is XF perfect, I think they could do a better job of providing tunning info, custom tunning options and setups.

    Service info in more detail and detail on reducing travel not just ITA for example.

    Like the Sweep a lighter getter Syntace axle which us one of the best and easiest to use, not on the Metripc to save weight, sure though they coukd have made a light one.

    Not much else
    Thanks for the lengthy reply, I think "busy" is a spot on description for my Fox 34. Definitely feels out of control when carrying speed through toothy terrain, which though fun as hell, is quite scary sometimes. I'd rather get my fun fighting the trail--not the bike. I weigh 220+ fully geared up and my bike is 160 mm so the lift assisted DH I do at n* could certainly benefit from added stiffness and stability. I'm just pissed that Fox didn't have their new 36 out when I got my bike--the 2015 model will surely have it. I'm new to the sport but this dang "enduro" frenzy really screwed up the options for a mini-dh I was in the market for. I have a trek slash, but would've been way more into a scratch coil for example if they still made them. By trying to make everything more pedalable and lighter, too much from dh prowess was sacrificed.

    Hopefully i should have my metric and new wheel within the next two weeks. I'll try to write up my thoughts about it and my Fox 34 and post some pics.

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    I can pretty much backup what Maverick states.

    You should be very happy with the Metric especially if you lean more to light-DH, lift assisted Biking. If weight/pedability were the major issue the Pike might be the better choice but if you want a fork that will hold its own when pushing a 160mm fork in the gnar, then the Metric is tough to beat.

    Albeit it's not perfect (which fork is?). I do find it could do with a tad more mid-stroke support, not a deal breaker and probably down to personal preference but I feel it could stand up a wee bit more in its travel.

    XF really needs to up their aftersales support. Get more tech vids and service manuals up and do more for the european market. German distributor has next to no spare parts and difficulties acquiring them. They even have problems satisfiying the market with forks and shocks, they're chronically sold out over here and haven't gotten one single Metric or RV1. Had to get my Metric via other channels...

    You made the right choice, you're gonna love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    German distributor has next to no spare parts and difficulties acquiring them. They even have problems satisfiying the market with forks and shocks, they're chronically sold out over here and haven't gotten one single Metric or RV1. Had to get my Metric via other channels...
    Typical X-Fusion to be honest, you can't rely on them for spare parts or constant product supply, pity because they have really good forks to offer.

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    X-Fusion Metric

    I've been following this thread and really appreciate all the in-depth info and rider/owner opinion. I'm looking at getting a bike in the next few months that comes standard with the vengeance (170mm) but am thinking of maybe swapping out to the metric for the 180mm travel. The bike is the specialized enduro evo comp. (180mm rear travel) The higher end models have historically come with 180mm forks (fox 36 180) would you guys say do it? Or just ride and be happy with the vengeance? There's no way to adjust a vengeance up to 180 right, the limit is 170?

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    Finally got use of almost full travel. I had to brake very hard on a bumpy area just before a very closed turn at the end of a fast part of the circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Thanks womble, yeah was saying top of the axle just cause it's easier/more accurate tape measurement vs someone trying to eyeball the axle center

    Reason I was asking is cause I was able to measure travel on one at a hair over 187mm, but wasn't able to pull the wheel to measure actual AC

    Agree, machining is slick.. almost makes the fork look bigger
    OK guys...so I'm still not clear as to what I need to measure from the crown to get an accurate AC height...

    Is it supposed to be crown to center of axle? Or crown to the top of the axle?

    Sorry for the retard question...

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    center of axle, but its much easier and more precise to measure to top of axle and just add 10mm...

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    Thanks Raschaa...

    Turns out it doesnt quite matter as we ALL have 26" versions - I called X Fusion to ask and they confirmed (triple confirmed for the purposes of this thread) that the 27.5 specific crowns are not to be mfg'ed until sometime next year (i know - it was already stated in this thread but I had to hear it for myself).

    On another different topic, they also updated me on the Revel HLR - don't expect it anytime soon as they are waiting for the Taiwan mfgs to manufacture a batch of parts that were faultily built in the first pass...I guess thats part of the game when your company is considered a small time player in relation to the big boys (you get put on the back-burner).

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    Peter diggin my Vengeance then?

    For the record BOS have 20mm axles as well

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