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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    4 lbs 14 oz is 2.21 kg
    Have any wrench time with RV1 or Metric yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Have any wrench time with RV1 or Metric yet?
    I stopped distributing X-Fusion so my wrench time on newer stuff have decreased dramatically. Anything you are interested in specifically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    I stopped distributing X-Fusion so my wrench time on newer stuff have decreased dramatically. Anything you are interested in specifically?
    RV1 guts + Metric CSU= Coil Metric?
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    Can these be adjusted to 170mm? Looks like you can just use the 170 pin hole for the stock vengeance travel setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    I stopped distributing X-Fusion so my wrench time on newer stuff have decreased dramatically. Anything you are interested in specifically?
    Does this mean you won`t be posting how great x-fusion products are whenever someone starts an X-fusion thread?
    You stopped distributing them? Don`t you mean the shop you worked for stopped distributing them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kan3 View Post
    Have you ever ridden a vengeance? This fork is a couple hundred grams lighter, has 10mm more travel, the same damper and a slightly improved air spring. It should ride almost identical to a vengeance. It even has a shorter a2c than the vengeance in 26". Did you have some concerns about it?
    I've never ridden a Vengeance, the only X Fusion product is a shock which I like.

    Besides how it rides (the critical factor), I'm curious as to how the hub release mechanism works in practice as I frequently mount and dismount the front wheel. I'm used to the Maxle DH (secure but a bit of a faff) and the dual flip levers found on the Fox 36s (very convenient, secure and pretty much impossible to get wrong, plus you can visually tell that the axle is locked). The pinch bolt thing doesn't look particularly elegant or fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Does this mean you won`t be posting how great x-fusion products are whenever someone starts an X-fusion thread?
    You stopped distributing them? Don`t you mean the shop you worked for stopped distributing them?
    It means the company I own stopped distributing them. We now import, distribute and service Cane Creek suspension in Mexico.

    Even if I'm not a X-Fusion distributor anymore, I can say they make some solid forks. I still have a Vengeance HLR coil on my bike and I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    RV1 guts + Metric CSU= Coil Metric?
    No idea, but I think you would at least need the Metric CSU to have a threaded end for the RV1 base plate (I haven't seen one from inside TBH), a spring that fits the RV1 spring guide (and delivers 180mm of travel) and also cut and re-tap the RV1 spring rod to proper size (assuming it is straight wall). Sounds like a lot of hassle.

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    taikuri, toothless or anyone else with a Metric:

    How are you finding the red rebound knobs? My rebound (new Metric, not yet ridden) seems a bit odd:

    Slowest setting is dead slow
    Second click is slower than I'd use
    Third click is a usable speed
    Clicks 5-17 (or however many clicks there are) are well into pogo territory.

    My Vector shock rebound is much more sensibly balanced. Neither are usable at the extremes of rebound, but there is a good middle ground of settings that I can use.

    Basically with the Metric there are only one or two clicks before rebound gets silly-fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    It means the company I own stopped distributing them. We now import, distribute and service Cane Creek suspension in Mexico.

    Even if I'm not a X-Fusion distributor anymore, I can say they make some solid forks. I still have a Vengeance HLR coil on my bike and I love it.
    Tacu

    Given you have extensive XF service knowledge would you know how to read an XF serial number? I have a few other questions if you don't mind a PM ? Thanks
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    Did someone get the 650b already?

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    And why are people claiming a 200g weight saving over a Vengeance when a Vengeance air HLR weights at 2254g vs the 2268g of the Metric (both listed weights, but seems to be close to real)?

    I was leaning toward a Metric 650b but lack of info about availability and high price are not encouraging.
    A Vengeance would be same weight, same damper, 300 euro less expensive, and readily available.
    650b offset is actually the only plus of the Metric, isn't it?

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    Does the offset honestly make that much difference ? what about other possible mitigating factors such as slack head tube angle etc ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzdale View Post
    Does the offset honestly make that much difference ? what about other possible mitigating factors such as slack head tube angle etc ?
    I like slack angle and the frame I'm going to build is slack indeed (Canfield One), but a mitigation factor for the lower offset would actually be a steeper angle.

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    IMO it might be a very marginal difference. Ive got a Velvet 650b now, should have my Sweep this week if customs cooperates. I'll have a better feel after I have a few rides in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    And why are people claiming a 200g weight saving over a Vengeance when a Vengeance air HLR weights at 2254g vs the 2268g of the Metric (both listed weights, but seems to be close to real)?
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    Not sure about 200g, but the X-Fusion website lists the Metric (air HLR) as lighter than the Vengeance (air HLR). It's just over 200g lighter than the Vengeance coil HLR (all claimed weights).

    Vengeance HLR - 2404g
    Vengeance Coil HLR - 2494g
    Metric HLR - 2268g

    The US/CAD price difference is only $100. How is the availability on the 26" version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    Not sure about 200g, but the X-Fusion website lists the Metric (air HLR) as lighter than the Vengeance (air HLR). It's just over 200g lighter than the Vengeance coil HLR (all claimed weights).

    Vengeance HLR - 2404g
    Vengeance Coil HLR - 2494g
    Metric HLR - 2268g

    The US/CAD price difference is only $100. How is the availability on the 26" version?
    Right, but why compare the Metric (Air) with the Vengeance coil and ignore the Vengeance Air? It doesn't make sense.

    European RRP difference is circa 200 euro, but some slightly lower price can be find for a Vengeance.
    I don't know about the 26" Metric, never investigated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Right, but why compare the Metric (Air) with the Vengeance coil and ignore the Vengeance Air? It doesn't make sense.

    European RRP difference is circa 200 euro, but some slightly lower price can be find for a Vengeance.
    I don't know about the 26" Metric, never investigated.
    I think people are just exaggerating the ~150g difference in the air vs air claimed weights, rather than comparing to the coil. It's still a decent weight saving if you're counting grams; I'd love to be able to drop that much on other components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerebroside View Post
    I think people are just exaggerating the ~150g difference in the air vs air claimed weights, rather than comparing to the coil. It's still a decent weight saving if you're counting grams; I'd love to be able to drop that much on other components.
    That's a good point, most european sites (X-Fusion german one included) list a 2254g weight for the Vengeance air HLR, while others (X-Fusion english one included) list them at 2404g as you quoted...

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    As for the offset:
    Vengeance: 41mm
    Metric 26": 42mm
    Metric 27.5: 46mm

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    Have had mine sitting around for a month now. Between weather here in New England and work I haven't had a chance to take it out for a ride.

    Weighed 5lb 1oz out of the box according to my scale.

    Also picked up a hilo sl dropper from them. Wish they stayed consistent with the stanchion colors. Did match fox kashima perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker9109 View Post
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    Weighed 5lb 1oz out of the box according to my scale.
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    Looks great! Love the Rune V2's, I wouldn't mind a Darkside as my next bike...

    Even with the full steerer that is damn close to listed weight (at 2296g after conversion).

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    Did you weigh that hilo sl, I'm interested in one since I'm way pleased with my slant 160mm.

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    X-Fusion Metric

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker9109 View Post
    Have had mine sitting around for a month now. Between weather here in New England and work I haven't had a chance to take it out for a ride.

    Weighed 5lb 1oz out of the box according to my scale.

    Also picked up a hilo sl dropper from them. Wish they stayed consistent with the stanchion colors. Did match fox kashima perfectly.

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    Love the magnesium colour with the Raw 👍, so you must be the first owner of the magnesium ones in the UK, I had the first black ones , really nice forks . Had mine adjusted to 160 for the Rune, so would be interested in your opinion on the handling at 180 as i might want to try that confuguration

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzdale View Post
    Love the magnesium colour with the Raw 👍, so you must be the first owner of the magnesium ones in the UK, I had the first black ones , really nice forks . Had mine adjusted to 160 for the Rune, so would be interested in your opinion on the handling at 180 as i might want to try that confuguration
    Where did you buy it in the UK? online or lbs?
    And is yours a 26er or a 650b one?

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    X-Fusion Metric

    Lbs, the distributor in the UK only has one type in stock , i suspect its 26". I am running them on 650b


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    dzdale,did you get a chance to weigh the hilo sl ?
    Thanks, I'm interested in one myself

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    X-Fusion Metric

    Kneecap, i dont have the hilo, sorry i was talking about the metric , didnt bother weighing it

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    Thanks, I screwed that up, it was mountainbiker9109 who got the hilo. So.. I'll try this again,
    mountainbiker9109, did you weigh that seatpost?

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    Anyone get solid ride time on this?

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    Got my metric today. Looks good, graphics are bit ugly but I don't care about it.
    Couple more days and I can go for first test drive
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    taikuri, toothless or anyone else with a Metric:

    How are you finding the red rebound knobs? My rebound (new Metric, not yet ridden) seems a bit odd:

    Slowest setting is dead slow
    Second click is slower than I'd use
    Third click is a usable speed
    Clicks 5-17 (or however many clicks there are) are well into pogo territory.

    My Vector shock rebound is much more sensibly balanced. Neither are usable at the extremes of rebound, but there is a good middle ground of settings that I can use.

    Basically with the Metric there are only one or two clicks before rebound gets silly-fast.
    How do you like the axle type?
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    The fork is good, and it is certainly light, but I haven't had enough time on it to say more than that.

    The axle works, which is about all I can say for it. It's like an afterthought added on to an otherwise very nicely designed fork. The rest of the fork is slick, with elaborate machining.

    The axle uses two different hex sizes to undo, which means you have to fiddle with a multi-tool for an extra step. Not a big deal, but just using the 6mm for both bolts would have been more convenient.

    I find both the light and the DH Maxles to be much better thought out. The light Maxle is completely hand-operated, and the DH Maxle uses a 6mm hex for both ends, and has distinct clicks to guide how tight to screw down the locking mechanism.

    It's not a show stopper by and means, but it is slightly puzzling why XFusion chose this design. Reminds me of old Fox forks from pre-2009.

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    X-Fusion Metric

    What wheelsize are u using Womble ?

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    If anyone has taken measurements..

    What's the A-C, actually what's the measurement from top of the axle to crown?
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    AC is listed on the XFusion site as 565 and 570. It's a 20mm axle so it'd be 565 or 570 minus the diameter of the axel (10mm) for the measurement you're looking for.

    I'm running 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble View Post
    AC is listed on the XFusion site as 565 and 570. It's a 20mm axle so it'd be 565 or 570 minus the diameter of the axel (10mm) for the measurement you're looking for.

    I'm running 26".
    Thanks womble, yeah was saying top of the axle just cause it's easier/more accurate tape measurement vs someone trying to eyeball the axle center

    Reason I was asking is cause I was able to measure travel on one at a hair over 187mm, but wasn't able to pull the wheel to measure actual AC

    Agree, machining is slick.. almost makes the fork look bigger
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    I'll try to remember to measure it then. I really didn't have any reason to doubt or worry about the official specs. Agreed that the machining makes it look pretty chunky. Both finishes are above average- the chromed version looks very industrial and the black version has an interesting rough texture to it. Either looks much better with the stars on the carbon guards blacked out.

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    Did the 650b actually show up?

    Did someone get it or see it available in stock somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Did the 650b actually show up?

    Did someone get it or see it available in stock somewhere?
    Bump!

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    I am waiting for these to hit BTI. They have been listed for a while now but always out of stock.
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    little update to my Nicolai Ion16...





    unfortunately no ride time on it yet... what caught me a bit offguard was the PM7 brake mounts...

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    I wrote to two different address at X-Fusion Shox about the 650b Metric and got answer from two persons who possibly share the same office (both in SC):
    They confirmed that the 650b version is not available yet, but one claims that "We should see some by the end of this month", while the other said it "will not become available for at least 3 months"...

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    Motion Pro , Micro Bleeders ???

    Hey , does anyone know exactly which model of the motion pro micro bleeders fit the Nuetra valves on the Metric ? I'm looking at getting some.

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    Has anybody experienced creaking sounds on their metrics from crown/stanchions area, like on the x-fusion vengeance ?

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    Hi , Yes I'm getting creaking , thought it was my headset so reset it. Still seems to creak a little , not to bothered about it though. The forks perform brilliantly

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzdale View Post
    Hey , does anyone know exactly which model of the motion pro micro bleeders fit the Nuetra valves on the Metric ? I'm looking at getting some.
    They are the "11-0081 (Orange) M4x0.7 for KTM"
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    Hey SSteel, many thanks for your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raschaa View Post
    little update to my Nicolai Ion16...





    unfortunately no ride time on it yet... what caught me a bit offguard was the PM7 brake mounts...
    Nice bike!!

    I'm about to order this fork, and was shopping for the correct brake mount adaptor. As usual the manufacturer doesn't seem to specifiy this
    I have a post mount adaptor for a 203mm disc from my Rockshox Relevation 29 that I want to use on this fork, but I don't know if it is PM5, 6, 7 or 8. How do I find out? And if it isn't PM7, where do I find the correct adaptor? All (online) shops that sell brake adapters don't even seem to specify the PM*, only for which size disc it is meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfuse View Post
    Nice bike!!

    I'm about to order this fork, and was shopping for the correct brake mount adaptor. As usual the manufacturer doesn't seem to specifiy this
    I have a post mount adaptor for a 203mm disc from my Rockshox Relevation 29 that I want to use on this fork, but I don't know if it is PM5, 6, 7 or 8. How do I find out? And if it isn't PM7, where do I find the correct adaptor? All (online) shops that sell brake adapters don't even seem to specify the PM*, only for which size disc it is meant.
    I got a 203 mm adapter in the box with mine, so no need to buy one.

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    Oh ok, I'll check that with the seller, thanks

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