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    Worth upgrading to Recon Silver TK SoloAir?

    I recently bought a used Kona Caldera which came with the stock OEM version Marzocchi MZ Race (coil). This fork is too damn soft and it bottoms out even from braking on a flat surface. I tried to increase the preload by taking it apart and inserting a spacer on top of the coil but that did nothing.

    I am looking to upgrade and found that RS Recon Silver TK AirSolo is on Amazon for $204 shipped. I am a newbie and this will be my first "serious" fork (or at least it seems serious to me).

    My question to those more knowledgeable is : Is this fork the best "bang for your buck" at $200 or should I shop around for something better? I wouldn't want to spend a lot more unless I was getting something significantly better.

    Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.

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    I had the same fork on my Cannondale trail SL 2.
    It worked very well so in my opinion for $200 it's worth it.

    Maybe look elsewhere for the same fork to compare the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxone View Post
    I had the same fork on my Cannondale trail SL 2.
    It worked very well so in my opinion for $200 it's worth it.

    Maybe look elsewhere for the same fork to compare the price.
    Thanks for the feedback.

    Apparently PerformanceBike.com had the fork for $209 on sale but it is now selling it for $299 and the cheapest one I found on eBay was actually a used one taken off a Cannondale Trail SL 2. That guy wants at least 200 plus $15 for shipping, which is more than it costs new.

    I don't mind buying used but there has to be a decent discount from new for it to be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadeone View Post
    So it's safe to say you like the fork?

    I posted in the shocks and suspension forum asking about this fork and if it's a deal at $200. Got one response. I went ahead with it because it seems a lot of people were satisfied with it and I'm not at the level where I could justify spending more money anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jasontamu View Post
    Yes, I purchased one (recon silver, soloair, with 9mm drop outs, white color from performance with lock out lever on right upper) and rode it every weekend (at least) for months now and I'm very happy with it.

    My older bike had old school englund air cartridges in them and this was an upgrade. I feel i was able to adjust pressure to a suitable level, adjust rebound on the lower knob to where it wasnt too fast....

    the fork is solid, its oversize and steel lowers give it a solid line tracking and goes right where you point it, i feel no LH to RH flex at all and i like the fork.

    I like the fork enough that for the price point i purchase a 2nd recon (identical to my first) to put on my other full suspension bike.

    so far been happy with the decision....

    yes ive ridden high end forks as well, but other than mega weight savings, this thing is great for the weekend warrior, ex-xc racer that I am now.

    -J

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    I saw your post in the other thread. I ended up ordering the fork and am waiting to get it on the bike and ride!

    Thanks for your insight.

    BTW the price dropped a bit and might continue so if anyone is thinking of getting the fork and is not in a rush, watch the price for a few days.

    Link to fork on Amazon

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    I wish the 120mm version was also on sale...

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    You'll very quickly outgrow that fork.. the dampers are very poor. If its not too late to cancel, id keep shopping. You can do much better! Its a quality fork, just the dampers really lack.

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    The damping in it is crap, and you're much better off just saving your pennies until you can buy a Manitou Match.

    Cancel the order if you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexzhu1 View Post
    I wish the 120mm version was also on sale...
    I thought the travel on this fork was adjustable 80-100-120 mm.

    To the guys that told me to cancel, will I find a better fork for $200? or even $300?
    From what I understand the damper can be changed to a Motion Control damper for around $50, when I realize that the damper sucks.

    As of right now I have no experience with any damper since I've only ridden cheap coil only forks. I can refuse the package but I'd rather give it a shot at this point and upgrade when needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hadeone View Post
    To the guys that told me to cancel, will I find a better fork for $200? or even $300?
    From what I understand the damper can be changed to a Motion Control damper for around $50, when I realize that the damper sucks.

    As of right now I have no experience with any damper since I've only ridden cheap coil only forks. I can refuse the package but I'd rather give it a shot at this point and upgrade when needed.
    Yes, you can find the Manitou Match all day for between $200 and $300.

    Don't waste your money on a low end fork with a rubbish damper just because it's marginally better than what you have now. Spend the little bit of extra money and get a fork which performs really well. Just because you're a new rider doesn't mean you have to saddle yourself with poorly performing equipment.

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    Just did a quick search for the Manitou Match Comp and found it for $229.52 shipped at PricePoint.com

    That would be an additional $40 for the Manitou compared to the Recon. I also noticed that the Match Comp is a coil fork. Isn't an air spring an upgrade over a coil? If it is, then I'd rather keep the air fork and upgrade the damper later on since it will cost about the same as buying the Manitou.

    Your feedback is appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadeone View Post
    Just did a quick search for the Manitou Match Comp and found it for $229.52 shipped at PricePoint.com

    That would be an additional $40 for the Manitou compared to the Recon. I also noticed that the Match Comp is a coil fork. Isn't an air spring an upgrade over a coil? If it is, then I'd rather keep the air fork and upgrade the damper later on since it will cost about the same as buying the Manitou.

    Your feedback is appreciated.
    It's coil with air assist. Air forks aren't better than coil forks. They're different, each with its own pros and cons.

    Even the upgraded Motion Control damper isn't as good as the Manitou's TPC damper. Additionally, the MoCo damper is a $50 extra (plus shipping) which puts it over the price of the Manitou.

    Just do a search on here for the Match and you'll see it's an excellent fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    It's coil with air assist. Air forks aren't better than coil forks. They're different, each with its own pros and cons.

    Even the upgraded Motion Control damper isn't as good as the Manitou's TPC damper. Additionally, the MoCo damper is a $50 extra (plus shipping) which puts it over the price of the Manitou.

    Just do a search on here for the Match and you'll see it's an excellent fork.

    I have another question for you if you don't mind.

    I found this Manitou Minute Expert and they are selling the 100mm for $40 more than the 80mm. I noticed that the description says it's internally adjustable from 80 to 100mm. At $220 (EDIT: free shipping) it seems like a deal to me and I will buy at that price.

    Do you know anything about this fork? Is the travel really adjustable?

    Thanks for all your help.

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    That is a great price. Seriously, buy that fork immediately.

    The Manitou Minute is an excellent fork, and I highly recommend it. It's internally adjustable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    That is a great price. Seriously, buy that fork immediately.

    The Manitou Minute is an excellent fork, and I highly recommend it. It's internally adjustable.
    Done.

    Thanks for your insight.

    EDIT: Any reason why that website would sell the same fork, set up differently (80mm vs 100mm) for different prices?
    Last edited by hadeone; 11-15-2012 at 11:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadeone View Post
    EDIT: Any reason why that website would sell the same fork, set up differently (80mm vs 100mm) for different prices?
    It's probably worth $40 to a lot of people not having to open up a fork as soon as they buy it to adjust the travel.

    By the way, I called Manitou and they confirmed it's the same fork and the 80 can be set to 100 and the 100 can be set to 80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    It's probably worth $40 to a lot of people not having to open up a fork as soon as they buy it to adjust the travel.

    By the way, I called Manitou and they confirmed it's the same fork and the 80 can be set to 100 and the 100 can be set to 80.
    You're the man.

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    If anyone else is thinking of buying the 2012 Manitou Minute Expert you can get it for $20 less than me now. They are running a 10% off promo with the coupon code WEB10. Comes out to $200 shipped for the fork set to 80mm.

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    I was looking at replacing my OEM Fox Float R with a Manitou Minute Pro 140 mm. When I go to PricePoint I see a 120mm offered butthe specs have a 140.. Can the 120mm fork be adjusted to 140mm? From comments on this post seems the Manitou is a good fork. If this seems like a bad idea I 'm open for input. I'm replacing the Fox due to it needing a full rebuild and figured instead of investing in a rebuild I would do an upgrade. I'm new to bikes and seems like many choices are available. My bike is a 2008 Giant Trance X2. I would like to keep my investment under $500.

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    What is a full rebuild? Realize all modern forks will regular maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celler View Post
    I was looking at replacing my OEM Fox Float R with a Manitou Minute Pro 140 mm. When I go to PricePoint I see a 120mm offered butthe specs have a 140.. Can the 120mm fork be adjusted to 140mm? From comments on this post seems the Manitou is a good fork. If this seems like a bad idea I 'm open for input. I'm replacing the Fox due to it needing a full rebuild and figured instead of investing in a rebuild I would do an upgrade. I'm new to bikes and seems like many choices are available. My bike is a 2008 Giant Trance X2. I would like to keep my investment under $500.
    That Float wipes the floor with Manitou Minute. Service it.

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    Yes I need a full rebuild including the upper tubes that have damage. Guessing 300 plus shipping to and from Fox.

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    I guess an option is a new Fox Evolution CTD. These are $600 Is this fork worth 300 more than the rebuilt float? Jernas thanks for the recomedation to rebuild. I have ridden dirt bikes for 35 years and the forks on those are very good. I guess you can say with Mountain bikes I only know what I have ridden and that is the stock Fox on my Trance.

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    If you are trying to save money on a fork, go for a RockShox XC32 TK. That fork still has rebound dampening and costs around $125. It has steel coil springs.

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    Can you get the RockShox XC32 in a 140mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jernas View Post
    That Float wipes the floor with Manitou Minute. Service it.
    I beg to differ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celler View Post
    Yes I need a full rebuild including the upper tubes that have damage. Guessing 300 plus shipping to and from Fox.
    How often did you service it?

    As already recommended above, look at the Manitou Match or a more expensive Minute. Both of them have the same excellent damper and they have good chassis. The Minute will be lighter than the Match. You can currently find the Minute for about $250 on Chain Reaction.

    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    If you are trying to save money on a fork, go for a RockShox XC32 TK. That fork still has rebound dampening and costs around $125. It has steel coil springs.
    The XC32 is a piece of **** fork. What does it matter if it has rebound damping if the rebound damping is complete trash? Don't recommend trash to someone.

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    What does it matter if it has rebound damping if the rebound damping is complete trash? Don't recommend trash to someone.[/QUOTE]

    What I meant to say was that no person can really afford a new FOX or top of the line RockShox. It might be better to get a new fork, RockShox makes many higher end forks, the Sektor line may be less "trash" (y). Recon solo air may be a choice too! It all depends on what riding you do.

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    I think that the XC32 is 100mm only. The Kona Caldera is just a hardtail and unless you are doing some serious riding, the XC32 TK should be perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I think that the XC32 is 100mm only. The Kona Caldera is just a hardtail and unless you are doing some serious riding, the XC32 TK should be perfect.
    It seems that you responded to 2 different people unknowingly. I am the OP and have already bought a Manitou fork.

    Someone else asked an unrelated (to my bike) question and the discussion continued from there.

    IMO it's not worth paying to change the stock fork to something that would perform the same. I was shopping to upgrade so I wouldn't buy the XC32 and I didn't buy the SoloAir either. The 2nd poster says he needs a replacement fork.

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    Ooops, I meant to respond to the first person, sorry. I didn't see that you were in the lines of FOX shox for a bike rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    What I meant to say was that no person can really afford a new FOX or top of the line RockShox. It might be better to get a new fork, RockShox makes many higher end forks, the Sektor line may be less "trash" (y). Recon solo air may be a choice too! It all depends on what riding you do.
    Obviously there is a big range in between the XC32 and top of the line Fox or Rock Shox. The XC32 costs about $180 online, and for $45 more you can buy a Manitou Match which will outperform the XC32 in every single way, and in most cases completely butcher it.

    The only Recon worth owning it the Gold R or Gold RL, and the Manitou Match will even handly outperform those.

    It just bothers me when people start recommending something without really understanding what they're recommending.


    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I think that the XC32 is 100mm only. The Kona Caldera is just a hardtail and unless you are doing some serious riding, the XC32 TK should be perfect.
    Again, the XC32 is ****. If the Kona Caldera sees any use on dirt then it's much better off with a fork actually designed to perform on dirt, which the XC32 absolutely is not. The XC32 TK is anything but perfect for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    Obviously there is a big range in between the XC32 and top of the line Fox or Rock Shox. The XC32 costs about $180 online, and for $45 more you can buy a Manitou Match which will outperform the XC32 in every single way, and in most cases completely butcher it.

    The only Recon worth owning it the Gold R or Gold RL, and the Manitou Match will even handly outperform those.

    It just bothers me when people start recommending something without really understanding what they're recommending.



    Again, the XC32 is ****. If the Kona Caldera sees any use on dirt then it's much better off with a fork actually designed to perform on dirt, which the XC32 absolutely is not. The XC32 TK is anything but perfect for him.
    Manitou Match is not such a great XC fork either sure it works ok and has a better damper than Turnkey will ever be (except if RS upgrades it in the future) but it's heavy as hell at around 2.40 kg and you can believe me there's one thing you don't want on a XC bike and that's weight at the front. I'm not sure how much the XC 32 weights but if much less I'd take that one.

    I'm not saying the Match is a bad performer, it's just not a great fork for XC like some people in this thread have been repeating over and over...

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    Rockshox says XC 32 TK weights 2352g. I would rather use a fork with a lot better damper and 1 kg more weight than crappy damper and lightweight fork (if that even was the case but clearly it is not). I would choose Manitou Match anyday when compared to XC 32 TK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jernas View Post
    Manitou Match is not such a great XC fork either sure it works ok and has a better damper than Turnkey will ever be (except if RS upgrades it in the future) but it's heavy as hell at around 2.40 kg and you can believe me there's one thing you don't want on a XC bike and that's weight at the front. I'm not sure how much the XC 32 weights but if much less I'd take that one.

    I'm not saying the Match is a bad performer, it's just not a great fork for XC like some people in this thread have been repeating over and over...
    The XC32 weighs just as much.

    No one is saying the Manitou Match is the best fork for XC, but it is the best in its price range.

    The TPC damper in the Match is equal to anything out there. Manitou puts the same high performance damper in all its forks, even the entry level ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jernas View Post
    Manitou Match is not such a great XC fork either sure it works ok and has a better damper than Turnkey will ever be (except if RS upgrades it in the future) but it's heavy as hell at around 2.40 kg and you can believe me there's one thing you don't want on a XC bike and that's weight at the front. I'm not sure how much the XC 32 weights but if much less I'd take that one.

    I'm not saying the Match is a bad performer, it's just not a great fork for XC like some people in this thread have been repeating over and over...
    XC 32 is 2352g(5.2lbs) claimed by RS. XC 32 TK | SRAM
    Match is 2314g (5.1lbs)claimed by Manitou

    So you point is pointless because the XC32 actually weighs more.

    As pointed out multiple times by multiple people, for its price the Match is far better then any other fork. I would personally take a Match over most forks RS makes because of the shimmed rebound damper which only comes in the highest RS forks.

    Then again, I would personally spend the extra 40 bucks and get the Minute expert from pricepoint and drop a pound in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    Then again, I would personally spend the extra 40 bucks and get the Minute expert from pricepoint and drop a pound in the process.
    Just for curiosity (and for anyone considering buying this fork) I went to pricepoint to check the price for the Minute Expert and it's $251 but the 100mm is backordered so they are giving anyone that orders it now 10% off, dropping the price to $226.78. I'm not sure if they are charging for shipping.

    Like you might have read in this thread I got the Minute Expert (set at 80mm) from CRC for $220 shipped, and right after I ordered they started a 10% off promo. So it would be around $200 to your door for the 80mm and around $240 for the 100mm.

    It looks like a great deal to me. Can't wait to get mine installed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadeone View Post
    Just for curiosity (and for anyone considering buying this fork) I went to pricepoint to check the price for the Minute Expert and it's $251 but the 100mm is backordered so they are giving anyone that orders it now 10% off, dropping the price to $226.78. I'm not sure if they are charging for shipping.

    Like you might have read in this thread I got the Minute Expert (set at 80mm) from CRC for $220 shipped, and right after I ordered they started a 10% off promo. So it would be around $200 to your door for the 80mm and around $240 for the 100mm.

    It looks like a great deal to me. Can't wait to get mine installed.
    I actually used one for a year and my wife has now used it for two seasons(she got it as a hand me down). Its been a great fork and I actually prefer the feel of it over my current RS Lyrik. I am very picky about my suspension and I think it says a lot about the Manitou line of forks.

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    I got my fork todayy and installed it on the bike. It looks and feels great so far but I didn't get a chance to ride yet.

    I won't take it apart yet to switch it to 100mm. I want to ride and see how it feels before I tear it apart. I also want to learn more about suspension tuning before turning any of the knobs on the fork, since I don't know what each adjustment does.

    I'm wondering if this guide is a good start or is it outdated?
    http://www.spoke-n-word-cycles.com/T...g%20Manual.pdf

    Thanks for all your help guys!



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    So I took the new fork out for a ride yesterday and it really is like riding a new bike, night and day difference.

    I did some reading and figured out the basics of suspension adjustments. Now it's all about riding and dialing in the settings.

    I am thinking of setting the fork to 100mm of travel since that's what the bike came with. Can anyone tell me if I can plug the 2 bottom holes while removing the lowers so I won't have to deal with removing the oil and adding new oil?

    I read the service manual on how to change the ACT air travel but if anyone know of any tricks to make it simpler, that would be appreciated, since I'm not overhauling the fork.

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