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    Remote Lockout Fox RL

    Hello,
    I`ve made a remote lockout kit for Fox forks, type RL.

    http://lockoutdeef.googlepages.com/Default.htm

    There are 5 lockouts made for some people,
    in 1 or 2 months I`ve another 30.

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    Adaptable to the Fox RLC or RLT forks?

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    For the RLT,
    not for the RLC, the problem is the red ring. There is no space for springs etc.

    a few pictures from a 2008 RL


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    very cool

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    It's good to know that it's possible to modify the Fox to go remote. I bought a RS Reba instead of a Fox RL precisely because Fox didn't have the remote lockout. Too bad for them but they lost a customer.
    Check out my SportTracks plugins for some training aid software.

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    If you have questions,
    you can send an email to: lockoutdeef@live.nl

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    talas remote

    I'm your customer if you figure out the remote for the talas II lever

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    Good job! Make one for Talas and RP23 and I'll absolutely buy.

    Quote Originally Posted by krolik
    I'm your customer if you figure out the remote for the talas II lever
    Me too. If you figure out one for the Talas RLC I'll definetly by one.
    I used the remote poploc all the time on my reba. I needed a longer travel 3 stage fork that did not take forever to change stages via u-turn technology so I went with the Fox Talas RLC.
    I use the rlc in 3 ways. You can turn the lock supposedly just (on/off) about 3 millimeters from the locked position and it goes from fully locked to partial dampening. Then, of course further clockwise turn completely unlocks it.
    So, I need a lockout lever that is similar to the old friction shift levers so I can get that level of 3 settings control.
    Another remote lever I need is for the rp23.
    The other nice thing about using these shocks is the are the most tunable I have found by sending them for re-valving at push industries.

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    Hey Deef,
    Again, let us know if you ever figure out the RLC I could sure use a remote lockout. As a 3 stage 100/120/140 It is a great fork for a remote cause super finicky people like it. I use at least 100 and 140 all the time and really could use a remote. I have a bike coming that has a remote for the back shock (DT Swiss XR). But, it really doesn't matter much if I have to reach down anyway for the Talas.
    Would it be possible to remove the compression adjuster ring to do the mod ?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghawk
    Hey Deef,
    ....Would it be possible to remove the compression adjuster ring to do the mod ?
    Thanks
    Hmm....
    correct me if I'm wrong but compression/lockout/rebound is on top of the right leg, whereas talasII lever is on top of the left....
    What one has to do with the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krolik
    Hmm....
    correct me if I'm wrong but compression/lockout/rebound is on top of the right leg, whereas talasII lever is on top of the left....
    What one has to do with the other?
    I thought the problem was that the extra low-speed compression bezel on top of the right leg did not allow him to engineer the lockout lever. I guess I'm not really understanding what the problem is.
    (Of course that is a blue ring not a red one.)
    I could not really find a red ring.
    http://service.foxracingshox.com/con.../TALAS_RLC.htm
    I wonder if he would just sell kit for the rlt and I have a guy in the states that might be able to adapt it. I sent a couple of emails to address above to no avail.
    Sure is a cool product !
    Edit more info. Seems I could be right, it is the compression knob that is the issue. Here is another thread with someone else doing the same thing only in carbon.
    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...c.php?p=383471
    I sure hope one of these really gets off the ground. I've tried to get Fox to step up before but it is such a small market compared to r&d and manufacturing cost of it they really don't seem to give a %^^&* about the extra finicky riders that look for absolute control and performance. Remember the old remote fox made for the rl ? There are some still around. Also, Jagwire made a remote for some rock shoxs and rear floats for awhile in 2005 but required allot of retro hacking to get to work and was d/ced.
    Last edited by ghawk; 03-29-2008 at 04:50 PM.

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    Deef i've emailed you....

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    Deef - that looks better than most of the stuff you get Stock! Well done!

    Again - i think you could REALLY make it big by making kits for rearshocks...

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    God this is so bad, profile wise, glad it's a prototype (i hope.) They should have just copied the poploc.
    http://www.velonews.com/photo/74736

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    Supposedly it is backwardly compatible with other 32 mm platforms (Hopefully the Talas. I'm getting tired of waiting and may rent some shop time to do it myself.)
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...Remote_top_cap
    Probably the slickest solution for non-talas users would buy Deets remote system and use a poploc.
    (Deef's non-talas version sure is alot cleaner looking. )
    Who cares if the warranty is voided sending it for push valving does that anyway.

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    The 2009 lockout from fox don`t work with the older forks.
    I think you can buy a new cardridge, if you have a lot monney!

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    Even with a new damper assembly I don't beleive it. I emailed Fox and will see if I actually get a response.

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    @ Deef

    Any developments in making lockout kits for Rear shocks? I have two designs one of which is a retrofit and works but another one which would be far better however i lack the equipment to machine the bits....

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    how much for the lockout system, and what all does it come with?

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    Update from fox, it will be a retro on SOME models. They had no more details at this time, so I would not hold my breath waiting on them.

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    The lockout systems are ready,
    After you send an email to lockoutdeef@live.nl with your adres and type/year fork,
    I give you the information for the payment and more.

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    So nothin for the RLC huh- Got a F100 and thats the only thing that sucks- reachin down to open that thing back up- If theres anything you come up with to get around the compression knob Ill pick one of those up in a heartbeat- Gotta say too your setup looks really sweet- I know 3 or 4 other guys who have the same complaint on the same fork...I know theyd sink your praises also- Im patient
    Appreciated-
    "The work stinks but the fringe benefits are great"

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    Interesting mod, seems like it would be very useful not having to take a hand of a grip. How much is it?

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    What does the actuation lever look like ?

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    Did you look at his site that he posted in the first thread? http://lockoutdeef.googlepages.com/Default.htm

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    So nothin for the RLC huh- Got a F100 and thats the only thing that sucks- reachin down to open that thing back up- If theres anything you come up with to get around the compression knob Ill pick one of those up in a heartbeat- Gotta say too your setup looks really sweet- I know 3 or 4 other guys who have the same complaint on the same fork...I know theyd sink your praises also- Im patient
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    Me too. Another vote for Talas. It is a pain in a fast siduation to have to reach down. But, I am reaching down on the left to set travel back to 140mm and to right to unlock. Then under to unlock rear. Whew, fine for rides but not for racing.

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    Hey guys!

    I'm gonna try to modify my Vanilla RLC for remote lockout.OFC I wont be able to utilize the hex nut (because of compression adjustment ring), so the cable stop will be fixed to the crown, I guess.

    I dunno if that will be a removable or premanent attachment, we'll see how it goes. Also, I'd try to make an electrical actuator, kinda like the on Lefty fork is using, but with external motor and battery.

    Will get back to you with pictures, when thats done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saietor
    Hey guys!

    I'm gonna try to modify my Vanilla RLC for remote lockout.OFC I wont be able to utilize the hex nut (because of compression adjustment ring), so the cable stop will be fixed to the crown, I guess.

    I dunno if that will be a removable or premanent attachment, we'll see how it goes. Also, I'd try to make an electrical actuator, kinda like the on Lefty fork is using, but with external motor and battery.

    Will get back to you with pictures, when thats done.
    Forget the electric, it is a waste of time, you have to do the spring load anyway. Just get the top cap done and I will buy it if it works with the Talas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deef
    Noticed the beads you have...aren't those around $80 retail or so? You seem to be someone who doesn't sacrifice on looks or performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deef
    Hello,
    I`ve made a remote lockout kit for Fox forks, type RL.

    http://lockoutdeef.googlepages.com/Default.htm

    There are 5 lockouts made for some people,
    in 1 or 2 months I`ve another 30.

    Deef (Holland)

    If you can provide me with a write-up about your product I'd be happy to publish it on our site to try to get you some added exposure. Contact me through our site, www.mtobikes.com

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    I like nice parts!!

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    Pulled this from his website. Very expensive for a lockout.

    --> Price: 150,- Euro (shipping excluded).
    http://lockoutdeef.googlepages.com/Default_en.htm

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    I think it's a decent price actually

    When you look at the cost of a Pushloc - and a new damper to use a remote lockout thats REAL expensive.

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    It's more than a third of what my fork cost. For that much, just buy a different fork. Besides, the materials cost isn't much for what he's done. Don't get me wrong though, it looks VERY well made. I've thought about doing this myself (I have the RLC) but I don't have the equipment to machine it.

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    Deef, sounds like you have a market for RLC Forks (me included). I have some inexpensive ideas of how you could adapt your current design to work. PM me if you want to discuss.

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    Hi.

    I just get a FOX RLC 2008 soon. So there is another one in the RLC Interest Pool :-)

    greetings

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    a while ago a friend and i started to make our own lockout for fox forks. he made the cable stop from carbon, it just slides onto the hex shape top cap. its very secure, no need for a bolt. but then we got stuck, you need a spring in the lockout lever. how do you do that?

    we have also various designs for a handlebar lever. i tried to incorporate it with the bolts on an avid juicy lever.

    here is a picture of the fork part.

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    The old SID lever is spring loaded

    Quote Originally Posted by danlate
    a while ago a friend and i started to make our own lockout for fox forks. he made the cable stop from carbon, it just slides onto the hex shape top cap. its very secure, no need for a bolt. but then we got stuck, you need a spring in the lockout lever. how do you do that?

    we have also various designs for a handlebar lever. i tried to incorporate it with the bolts on an avid juicy lever.

    here is a picture of the fork part.

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    I just got off the phone with Fox and they ARE selling the Remote Kit now to the tune of $150 (if it fits your fork- I have an F90 RL and it will work). If you could develop this thing a little, and sell it for cheap ($50-75?), you would make a killing. If you have any of those carbon cable-stops sitting around, I would be happy to play with it and see if we could develop a spring-load system of some sort. Let me know.

    If anyone wants to contact Fox for the kit, you can call 1-800-369-7469 xt 4801.

    I think $150 is too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead
    I just got off the phone with Fox and they ARE selling the Remote Kit now to the tune of $150 (if it fits your fork- I have an F90 RL and it will work). If you could develop this thing a little, and sell it for cheap ($50-75?), you would make a killing. If you have any of those carbon cable-stops sitting around, I would be happy to play with it and see if we could develop a spring-load system of some sort. Let me know.

    If anyone wants to contact Fox for the kit, you can call 1-800-369-7469 xt 4801.

    I think $150 is too much.



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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead
    I just got off the phone with Fox and they ARE selling the Remote Kit now to the tune of $150 (if it fits your fork- I have an F90 RL and it will work). If you could develop this thing a little, and sell it for cheap ($50-75?), you would make a killing. If you have any of those carbon cable-stops sitting around, I would be happy to play with it and see if we could develop a spring-load system of some sort. Let me know.

    If anyone wants to contact Fox for the kit, you can call 1-800-369-7469 xt 4801.

    I think $150 is too much.
    I was told you have to change the dampener cartridge also?

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    The guy at Fox told me the "kit" consisted of a new cap, the cable and the handlebar lever. I think changing the cartridge might depend on the fork, but he said that's all I would need (basically just replaces the blue knob/ dial/ switch on the top of the fork for lockout, so I'm not sure why you'd need to replace the cartridge). Again, I have the F90 RL, so this might be different for other forks. And I still think it's too much- as someone else said, that's a third of the price of the whole fork (of course the new fork with lockout is like $750).

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    Quote Originally Posted by danlate
    a while ago a friend and i started to make our own lockout for fox forks. he made the cable stop from carbon, it just slides onto the hex shape top cap. its very secure, no need for a bolt. but then we got stuck, you need a spring in the lockout lever. how do you do that?

    we have also various designs for a handlebar lever. i tried to incorporate it with the bolts on an avid juicy lever.

    here is a picture of the fork part.

    I would like to see someone pursue this...all you need is to secure the cable on both sides of the tab on the blue ring. The cable can push as well as pull. (depending on the cable deployment, the cable may also need to be secured in a groove around the blue ring.)

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    Oh really, this is awesome news for me and I very excited to know about this remote kit. Thanks for sharing this great information as well as picks.

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    Fox Float RP2 remote kit

    Hi all,

    I have a remote kit available for the Fox Float RP2 rear shock. See the link below for more info:

    http://www.precisionkinetic.com/imag...hockremote.jpg

    Cheers,
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    Need Remote Lockout Kit for 09 Talas RL

    Deef, are you still creating the remote lockout kit for Talas RL (2009). Interested in buying a kit. Henry

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead
    The guy at Fox told me the "kit" consisted of a new cap, the cable and the handlebar lever. I think changing the cartridge might depend on the fork, but he said that's all I would need (basically just replaces the blue knob/ dial/ switch on the top of the fork for lockout, so I'm not sure why you'd need to replace the cartridge). Again, I have the F90 RL, so this might be different for other forks. And I still think it's too much- as someone else said, that's a third of the price of the whole fork (of course the new fork with lockout is like $750).
    I and my local LBS have been back and forth with FOX for several months. NO remote lockout kit available for Talas. Fox believes that only XC riders will want to dial in their ride via handle bars. They believe that Trail, Freeride, and All Mountain riders don't care. Fox yearly manufacture a short run of Talas shocks for Scott Genius bikes with remote lockout but don't carry spares. Great shock but lousy customer support.

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    Prototype in the works

    I have tried to contact Deef a few times over the last couple of years with no success. My buddy and I are working on a prototype of a mount very similar to Deef's, but lighter. We're working out the kinks with spring return and a couple other details, but I'll post here when we have more to show. In all likelihood, we won't be selling a complete kit (no lever, cable and housing), but just the attachment to go on the top-cap assembly and hold/ route the housing.

    We're trying to put something together that would eliminate the need for drilling holes or pulling apart your top-cap- making it both a little "idiot-proof" and avoid voiding warranties with Fox. The result is a "cap" that snaps on to your top-cap. We're also trying to make it affordable. Again, this is still all in prototype stages, but if you're interested, PM me. Prototype has been made for 32mm RL shocks- hasn't been tested on RLC's and might not work without some modification...

    Here's a sneak peak:
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    The prototypes looke PHENOMENAL. I will personal message you regarding pricing and delivery. Has it been tested extensively on the trails? Will the final remain plastic. Absolutely brilliant. My forks are '09, 32mm, Talas RLs.

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    Prototype

    Quote Originally Posted by hsolorza
    The prototypes looke PHENOMENAL. I will personal message you regarding pricing and delivery. Has it been tested extensively on the trails? Will the final remain plastic. Absolutely brilliant.
    The plan is to keep it plastic for now- it's super lightweight and pretty durable. This version has only been on the trails 1/2 dozen times, and so far, so good, but we have to make some tweaks to the top-cap piece. The base is rock solid. We're trying to iron out how the top-cap piece "snaps" on and what's best to use for the spring-return mechanism (a spring or elastic of some sort). It's currently set up with just an old thumb shifter and works great, but I've got a Rock Shox remote lever on order and will set it up with that. The levers are complicated and expensive, which is part of why we'll likely let customers figure out that part on their own. No ideas on pricing yet. Will probably do it for cheaper initially and have people do some riding/ abuse on them, giving us feedback/ ideas. Not looking to make this a big thing, just saw a need and started to tinker...

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    Post it here when you are done and I will buy one. I have an RL and an RLC so I might buy one and try to tweak it for the RLC and then if I get it to work I can buy another for the RL. If not, I can use it on the RL.

    It would be nice if you could work a deal with someone you know in the bike biz to sell a Rock Shox lever with it. This would make the overall deal cheaper for someone assuming you have a decent price and also, allow you to tweak the design for that lever so that people wouldn't have implementation problems with other levers and your design such as different cable pull, etc. Then you only have to support one lever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy
    Post it here when you are done and I will buy one. I have an RL and an RLC so I might buy one and try to tweak it for the RLC and then if I get it to work I can buy another for the RL. If not, I can use it on the RL.

    It would be nice if you could work a deal with someone you know in the bike biz to sell a Rock Shox lever with it. This would make the overall deal cheaper for someone assuming you have a decent price and also, allow you to tweak the design for that lever so that people wouldn't have implementation problems with other levers and your design such as different cable pull, etc. Then you only have to support one lever.
    I run a little bike shop out of my garage as a hobby (shop mechanic for many years, now a guy with a family and a job that actually pays the bills)- I rebuild forks all the time and will definitely try to test it on an RLC and possibly make one that will work.

    I hear you on the levers. I've been trying lots of different avenues, but haven't pulled through with any connections yet. I'm not interested in putting out a bunch of money to have a stock of levers sitting around- this was just an idea that I'd been playing with in my head for a long time, and a buddy of mine made it a reality- the original purpose was just for personal use (not about to pay Fox $150 for a kit that MIGHT come out in a year... might not...). If you know anyone or if anyone's reading this who has a hookup, and there's enough interest, I would consider it, but I've been hitting a lot of dead ends with that (even contacted QBP and BTI). I have another couple of avenues to try- if I get a break on some levers, I'd probably do just what you're recommending, but if not, then I'm going to keep it low-key and assume that people who are buying are somewhat resourceful do-it-yourselfers who can make it work...

    Again, I'll keep you posted .
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    I like Al's more generic approach to product development so that the kit could be integrated as part of many remote lockout solutions. Rockshocks would simply be one set of levers.

    Bike accessory and component manufacturers are looking at single lever, variable geometry bike solutions that eventually integrate adjustable seat posts, rear shocks, and front forks.

    A generic kit would allow people to retrofit older bikes with variable geometry solutions using 1, 2, or 3 way remote lockout switches (current and future). Focusing on an exclusively RockShock-centered and 1-way lever solution might restrict viability of Al's kit in a maket that is rapidly changing.

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    Wow this looks amazing. Registered on here just to say that.

    Seriously hats off to you- awesome design.

    Any idea on a release date and cost?

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    @frambo: Thanks. And welcome to mtbr. The first version had a few issues that we're ironing out. The base cap will remain essentially the same, but the top cap has been relatively redesigned and streamlined. We should have our new prototypes in a week or so. I'll set it up, ride it, beat it up, and if it's looking good, I'll post here and let people know how to order. If it needs more refining, it'll be another couple of weeks after that. We're also playing with different spring systems and have a design/ prototype coming in which we'll be testing a rubber-band/ elastic return instead of the spring. Ultimately, this might be the last thing we figure out- the spring we're using now (above), seems to be holding up pretty well, but I'm worried that it will lose its strength in time (and needs to be surprisingly strong). Another possibility would be reversing the cable pull so that when the cable is pulled, it released the lockout instead of engaging it- the reason for this is that if a Fox lockout it pushed (or, in this case, pulled) into lockout mode very strongly, it makes the valve kind of "stick" (PUSH and others actually sand the base of the valve when they rebuild/ overhaul the fork to help the lockout release better and avoid this stiction- especially on RLC's). Anyway, that's more than you asked for. Trust me, I'll keep posting updates here as we get and test the new stuff. I'm excited about the responses I've gotten and it definitely seems like there's a demand.

    As for pricing. I'm unsure as of yet. I've pretty much exhausted every avenue for being able to supply it as a full kit with a lever, so we'll likely just be selling it as a basecap/ topcap version. We might also make just the basecap available if people want to drill their existing blue levers and affix the cable and spring that way- our purpose for the topcap is to have a "snap-on" design that will prevent any warranty issues or drilling, etc, but if people want it the other way, well, the people will get it . There are RockShox Poploc levers available for about $30 if you search around (http://goo.gl/hZCAw). I currently have mine set up with the RS Pushloc, which is slightly different, but I'll get a Poploc and test it with that as well.

    So... I know this might sound crazy, but given that people would have to spend $30-40 on just the lever, I'm wondering what sounds reasonable to those on this thread for pricing?

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    OK, first off one thing I didn't notice is the $ around here.

    You from Denver, me from London. Still, that's not an issue- I've got people all over the US I could get one sent to.

    On my previous bike (since stolen- looking at getting a new one with a fox fork which doesn't have remote lockout) I had a RS Recon with the pop-loc. Was great, but as you say, to be sure that it will work every single time, it had to be quite strong.

    As for pricing, I've no idea what prices are like in the US, but as you say, its $30-40 for just the lever and over here its about £30-40. So I'd probably get one from the US as well.

    Its your time and effort and you deserve to make a gain out of this. I mean, one option I was exploring was to sell the fork and purchase a new one just because the fox remote was so damn expensive if I could find one and would require a new cartridge etc.

    So on that count, as far as I'm concerned you can sell it for whatever price [I]you see fit[I] and I would still purchase one if I have the cash at the time.



    P.S. The rubber band elastic return doesn't sound like the best idea to me. Less friction maybe and smoother motion, but once it breaks (and from my experience with rubber replacing springs its likely it will snap at some point) it would likely be quite problematic to reinstall.

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    There is a price demand curve for every item. If you price it high, you will sell fewer and make a larger profit on each unit. If you sell it low, you will sell a bunch of them and make a little profit on a lot of units. Some point along that curve maximizes your profits.

    The way to do "unscientific" market research is to ask the question:

    would you buy if it was $10
    would you buy if it was $20
    would you buy if it was $30
    would you buy if it was $40
    would you buy if it was $50

    this is "unscientific" because you would generally only ask one of the 5 questions to many people on a random basis, etc. However, if you ask all 5, you will probably get fairly good data and this method is free. Other methods cost money.

    After getting a fair number of responses you can plot the curve (price vs # of units) and then plot your cost curve against that to see the max profit.

    I will start the survey:

    I would for sure buy at $30 or less. Above that, I might buy but would have to think about it.

    So everyone should just send in a reply of what price they would for sure buy if that or below. If we get 50 replies, anyone one the list can collect and run the data. If we have less than 50 replies, the data is still good, but the margin for error is fairly large.

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    I am the user that sees it a necessity so I would buy it for $50 even, if I could afford to.

    However I think the average guy, who doesn't really mind either way whether he has it or not is going to be willing to fork out more like only $30 or less. Pun intended by the way.

    I think a bunch of us would appreciate a black version for those of use that own black fox forks.

    A 2/3 week completion time is perfect, just coincides nicely with the arrival of my new bike I hope!

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    Good job! Incredible Attention to the Details

    I second the idea of a black version and would pay between 30-50 USD for the base-cap/top-cap version. As long as the lockout cap is customer serviceable, you might consider carrying a "spares" kit that would include springs or elastemers.

    BTW, I am VERY IMPRESSED with the amount of consideration that your are giving the design/engineering/testing of the caps.

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    Nice work!

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    Just wanted to keep folks updated- we should be receiving the second version of the prototype today. I'll post pics later and mount it up and keep you updated on development. We are also looking into being able to offer in black and possibly even other colors (blue, red, just for fun). I have finally found a pretty good deal on the RockShocks poploc lever and will test it out and possibly offer that as part of the package. Look for more later this evening...

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    Can't wait!

    Now I'm not sure whether I'll be getting a black or a white fork so I'll just wait and see.

    Just wondering, does the white plastic bit where the spring is attached to need to be so long? The way I see it, that's just something to get broken off or catch on things. Would it not work with a shorter spring or would that make it come into contact with the curved surface?. I can see the point of elastic now- you can make the whole thing smaller and more compact.

    Probably getting ahead of myself but what about a magnet somewhere in the design? Like somehow to keep the lockout even more lockout but weak enough so that when there's the sudden force of the pop lock 'popping' it will dislodge the magnet.


    Anyway, I'm just getting to caught up and excited and spouting nonsense. Pop-lock levers would be great, though what's the other option if that's not desired?

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    I have been exploring the Fox Technical manuals of late and according to Fox the difference between locked and unlocked is less than 90 degrees even though the lever is able to travel over 180 degrees. It looks like you could design for 100 degrees of travel and it would be easier.

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    im not trying to jack the thread, but does anyone know if any of fox rear shocks are remote lockout/adjustable capable?

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    Rear Shocks

    Quote Originally Posted by henry9419
    im not trying to jack the thread, but does anyone know if any of fox rear shocks are remote lockout/adjustable capable?
    Yes- they are. Fox made a kit for some of the rear shocks for a while- they were also making a dual kit that would work with both a rear shock and front shock and lock them both out at the flip of a switch. I think that's also discontinued. I think Fox is focusing more on the Trail/ Downhill category and they're treating the XC folks like second-class citizens a little. Lockout is great for climbing, for SS riding, and lots of other reasons, but they've more or less dropped it as an option on a lot of XC forks.

    There are lots of folks who have developed make-shift remote systems for rear shocks, though- search on youtube and google for fox remote lockout and you'll find some of the examples.

    There was a guy who posted this earlier in the thread and his website says it's no longer available... http://www.precisionkinetic.com/imag...hockremote.jpg

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    Spring rotations, etc

    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy
    I have been exploring the Fox Technical manuals of late and according to Fox the difference between locked and unlocked is less than 90 degrees even though the lever is able to travel over 180 degrees. It looks like you could design for 100 degrees of travel and it would be easier.
    Yes- this is something I'm always telling clients of mine- I'm always amazed at how little people know about how their shocks work (and I am no expert, I just understand the settings a bit)- but many people believe that the Fox system works more like the Flood Gate on the Rock Shox, but that's not the case- it is either open or not open, and the release is much less than the full swing of the lever (like you said, less than 90deg).

    Anyway, I'm loving all of the ideas and thoughts. Trust me, we've dreamed to the extent of using a servo and doing a wireless device, to just bagging the whole thing (not to say that we've thought of everything). The problem with a shorter spring is that we're having trouble finding something that will be strong enough and durable enough (where the spring won't lose its memory)- the little tabs that you're looking at in these pics are maybe 2mm big, so we're not talking about something that's flailing out there waiting to get broken off, but we're going to have to get it out there and get feedback and we'll tweak it as needed. As it is, the spring doesn't pull it all the way back, just enough to get the lockout released.

    Still waiting on the latest prototype to arrive- thought it would be earlier this week but now looks like either today or (gasp) Monday- believe me, I'm as anxious as you guys to get these in and figure out if they work.

    @Frambo- the magnet idea is intriguing, but probably not realistic- you'd need a REALLY strong magnet- there is a surprising amount of friction that we're working against (which is why the fox-made versions have a huge internal spring in the topcap similar to a canti brake spring). Our goal, after all of the dreaming, is to make something that will work really well, but be very simple and not require any disassembly of the fork. Snap on, snap off- if we can hit that goal, I think it'll be a really nice device.

    Again, I'll keep folks posted. I've heard from some folks that they've cross- posted some fo this info- if you think of another thread/ forum where we should post when we get this all together and are ready to sell, feel free to pm me.

    Al

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    Hey kids- just wanted to give all of those who were interested an update on things- Our second prototype came in and had a couple of tweaks that still need to be made. We have resubmitted the new model and should have those in about two weeks. If those are looking good, I'll start getting them out to all who are interested, but if we need to make more tweaks, it will be another couple of weeks. Basically, from the time we finish the modeling to receiving the items is 10 working days. I don't want to put something out to you that's not going to work, and we're still figuring out what might be best (for instance, we were able to test the rubber band thing on the this latest prototype, and it's no good- we're also learning about dyeing the plastic so that we can offer black or blue ones as well as white). It's a process. The latest thing is that we're going to be trying a positive/ compression spring around the cable and see how that works as well.

    Great news on the second prototype, however- we have succeeding in making it a fully slip-on and snap-on device. The base slips under the lever and then can be secured into place with a set screw, and the cap snaps on the top and has a small screw for anchoring the cable. Very cool stuff.

    Here are some pics of the latest model to keep you hyped:
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    Awesome!

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    Awesome! Would an RLC version ever be conceivable though??

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    Read the rest of the thread! He is not going to attempt the much harder fitment of the RLC. I have both and will try to adapt his final version and he invited other to try. It will be hard as the compression adjustment ring will be in the way,

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    Hey guys- I'm not opposed to figuring something out for the RLC, it's just not been our focus. Our first step is to figure this one out, make sure it works well and provide a solution, then we can engineer other stuff from there. The RLC would definitely require pulling off the top cap, unless we made a break in the back wall and counted on the flexibility of the plastic to get around the compression dial. Then, we'd have to tweak the topcap a bit- this isn't undoable, just second on the priority list. We're both guys with full time jobs and families and whatnot, so this is also dependent a bit on when we can work on things, get out to ride (being winter), etc, etc.

    Super excited about the ideas and hope we can offer something of value to folks- if the demand is there, and the RL product works well, we'll definitely put something out for RLC's as well.

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    Really, really, really cool. Looking forward to getting the kit on my bike. Great work.

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    Just replying to let you know that there is more interest in your product. Looking good!

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    Latest on the lockout...

    Hey folks- just wanted to keep you posted again. Here is a video of the latest rendition. It's working and fully functional, but we are not satisfied with how reliable it will be over time (this has been a few rides with no issues). We still feel like a compression spring system would work better, and are reversing the design a bit and designing a better cable clamp system that can withstand the forces of a stronger spring (the current version strips if not careful). Again, we want to make something that will be bomber and last... Mostly just posting this to keep folks interested and invite more feedback. This is running with a Rock Shox Pushloc remote.


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    Incredible progress! Can't wait for the black version. Congratulations

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    They can make a white version and we can make them any color we want.

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    I'd be interested in one for my camber, it has a rl 29 on it....

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    I'd buy a few for some of my bikes. Let me know how to purchase. Thanks

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    Got an eta and price on these? I'm keen

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    ETA is realistically April or May. We're moving a little more slowly now than we were a month or so ago- just life getting in the way... Price is going to be somewhere around $30-35.

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    What is going to be included? I am assuming I have to supply my own remote and cable.

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    Yes- it will be the base cap, top cap, spring and cable-securing screws. We've not been able to find any great deals on remotes and I don't have the money to stock up on a bunch of them at retail costs, so cable and remote lever will need to be supplied by the user. I'll send some links of some relatively cheap RS PushLoc levers I've found (@ $30).

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    Love it. I'll buy one. Good job.

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    I'll take 6 kits. Do you take paypal?

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    Can I pay now to be first on line???

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy
    Can I pay now to be first on line???
    Looks like your #3, cause there is one person before me.

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    Thanks, Gents, but no pre-orders . We are super psyched about the positive responses, which is all the more reason we want this thing to actually work well before sending it out/ around. I busted one on the trail the other day and that sent us back to more design. It'll come, and I'll let y'all know when they're ready

    Out to the garage to work on it now...

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    Another interested party

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    And another. Got my eyes on this thread...

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    Hello Bikers,
    After 2 years bussey building a home etc, I`m at this moment working at a small series Deef Fox Remote Lockouts.
    They are improved, lighter, better and when you want something special:
    I`ve made also a new and light left knob for the fox fork.
    Normally this knob from fox is bleu. But when you don`t have bleu color on your bike, red, black or dark gray is much better!!
    It`s also a little bit lighter.
    When the kits are ready I will post it here. Before everything is ready, I’ll post some photo’s.

    The color for the lock knob you can choose, Fox bleu, Black, Dark Grey.
    The total Deef kit is lighter than the original Fox lockout!

    (you don`t have to drill holes for my lockout, and therefore it`s not a problem for warranty)
    (The spring is in the inside, so it`s more hufter proof and easier too clean)


    I`ve also made some other Deef products, light topcaps, 2end bottle holder for an Scott Spark etc.(I`ll post some pics soon.)

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    @Deef:

    That is great news! As you can see, I've been trying to pick up the slack while you were busy elsewhere, but if you have a product that's good to go and offers a durable solution at a reasonable price, then I'm all for it. I mostly just wanted a solution to be available (and not one that was going to cost as much as Fox's aftermarket solution).

    We'd all love to see pics asap and let us know more about when they're available, etc. You can see that this forum has been pretty lively, but I've also posted a few other places and there are lots of responses there also, and I have had quite a few PM's from folks as well. There's definitely a market!

    Looking forward to seeing what you've put together. As much as I'd like to be your competition, I'd rather be out riding, spending time with the family, and, um, riding some more .

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    alshead, i am in there like swimwear when you make the leap from concept to production. i'll keep checking back to see where you are with the development. two snaps up in a z formation for you!

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    Hi new to this site and stumbled across this thread , i made a remote lockout for my RL fox forks and thought i would share it with you this has been on my Anthem for around 3 months and works like a dream.........using the rockshox lockout idea and a poploc i converted the fox lever by removing the lug and machining a aluminium ring to press fit around it ,then added a cable guide piece.......it returns via a torsion spring situated under the lockout ....(you dont want exposed springs which can get caught or full of dirt!) i have added a couple of pics and will add a video of the lockout working when i can.
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    Link to video as promised

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqGX83SLD4

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    Sahweet!

    Quote Originally Posted by etch
    Etch- that thing looks awesome. How did you run the internal spring? I'd love to see the system- it looks like there could be some warranty issues, but still, sweet design and I'm sure people would be willing to overlook the possible warranty issues to have a solid solution.

    Is this something you can produce a kit for and sell it? Obviously, there's a lot of interest. Looks like your setup could also maybe work with an RLC, but I'd have to see more of what's going on under the cap. I have three poploc remotes to sell if you want to try producing a few for folks.

    I honestly think that what you have there is a much more solid solution than what we were working on. I'm also still very curious to see what Deef put together. Let's get one of these things out to the market and help make people happy!

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