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    They are in, got mine today.

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    Well get riding it and report back on reliability!

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    Going to the front range, Golden area, third week of August. That should tell all, even maybe a day at winter park.

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    pics.. first impressions.. something !

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    It came while i was out of town, this is a new full build. Should have pics and impressions by next weekend.

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    I've read most of the news and specs on the new pike but heard no mention of internal travel adjust. Surely there is a pin-ladder system if you want to drop the 150 down to 140. Anybody have the deets?

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    Yep, that's what I want to know - ability to internally drop travel or not?

    And what are the crown-to-axle heights of the various models?

    Been going back and forth between a tapered Revelation and a lowered, non-tapered Lyrik on my trail bike, and the Pike seems like it would be a great happy medium.

    Near the stiffness of the Lyrik, but near the weight of the Revelation? So long as the damper turns out to not suck or crap out, seems like a winner!
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    Pike 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    pics.. first impressions.. something !
    Yes please!
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    eagerly awaiting impressions as well (love my lyric)

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    Got a fractured bone in my foot, so no ride report. But, after a neighborhood curb jump test ride, I'd say that this fork is very plush, very smooth, and under hard braking feels very stiff.

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    Love the black on black!

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    Sweet! Thanks!

    Now as long as it can be lowered somewhat...

    The 26" version dropped down to 140mm would get me right where I want.
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    Yeah, same here. Considering this fork for my Mojo HD-R with 'tweener wheels but don't want to sacrifice the geo. Can't imagine there not being a pin/spacer system for adjusting down to 140mm or even 130mm. I find it odd that there is no mention anywhere about this. Called bikeco this morning and they are checking it out...

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    My 29er version is sitting at my LBS right now. I forgot to take pictures last Friday. I left it there because it seemed like it was still rumored that the 160mm 29er version was a possibility. My LBS spoke with SRAM and confirmed the 160mm version for the 29er, but as we all know, the 150mm Pike requires a new air spring. Fine by me, I'll just have both air springs to go back and forth to figure out which I end up liking better. LBS also told me it'll be a few more months til the 160mm spring is released. I'll take some un-boxing pictures tomorrow when I go to my shop again. It'll be awhile before I can give a ride report as I bought this fork for a build project. I want to get the new Specialized 29er S-Works Enduro frame and build one up. LBS is telling me September or October before the frames are released.

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    Ok, did a little more digging. Some of the info and general descriptions of the Pike are kind of confusing. I've seen it described as a 160-140mm travel fork some places. But it depends on which wheel size and whether its solo air or dual position air. Also, each travel corresponds to a unique air spring as mentioned above. The Dual Position Air maintains a consistent air spring volume. So here is the break down, please correct me if I'm wrong:

    26"
    Dual Position Air: externally adjustable 160->130mm (infinite I think?)
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    Solo Air 150 fixed

    27.5"
    DPA: ext. adj. 160->130 (infinite I think?)
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    SA 160 fixed
    SA 150 fixed

    29"
    DPA: ext. adj. 150->120 (infinite?)
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    SA 140 fixed

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    Got my Solo Air in 150mm!

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    I only have one ride on the fork, and I've never owned a Fox 34, but so far I have nothing but smiles to report. Super stiff. Freaken beast of a fork compared to the Fox 32 140 I'm coming from. Easy to set up (that's a big bonus for me...). Looks sweet (NOT a fan of gold ano...). Best of all, the longer maintenance interval!

    The most noticiable difference coming from a Fox 32 is the stiffness, but the fork, even new, feels a bit more plush and has about the same brake dive. Need more time switching between bikes to really have a sense of this though.

    Tire clearance with Hans Dampf 2.35 is great. I suppose since I only ride dry conditions the jury is still out, but looks like loads of room. Could go with a larger tire and still have some mud clearance (mud? it hasn't rained in months....). Will update if anything interesting happens.
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    Frikkin Darth Vader bike! Looking good!

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    Hmmm. . . I am thinking about this fork . . . If anyone can compare to a lyrik I would love to hear impressions.

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    Just a headz-up, when I got my Pike it was wrapped in sticky bubble-wrap. That glue used on the bubble-wrap will transfer to the stanchions, etc. and gum up the seals. I used Goo-Gone to get it off, but mineral spirits would likely work as well.

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    This thread is pretty worthless so far. It would be nice to have a detailed report on performance and comparisons to Fox 34, 36, Lyric, Slant, etc. In time I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushPilot View Post
    This thread is pretty worthless so far. It would be nice to have a detailed report on performance and comparisons to Fox 34, 36, Lyric, Slant, etc. In time I'm sure.
    Rode the piss outa mine Saturday, way better than a Fox 34, similar in feel to my CCDBa rear.

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    Anyone have any definitive answer yet as to whether these things can be lowered or not? I want a 150mm 26" dropped to 140mm.

    SRAM is being very uncomunicative about that.

    IMO, being able to easily (fairly) adjust the travel is one of the best features of Solo Air. It'll suck if you can't do that any longer, or if the mtb group mind community can't figure out a work around.
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    Good to hear. Thanks. After the Fox 2013 line-up, I would have a hard time coughing up $900 for one of their products.

    Does the Pike ride relatively high in it's travel as advertised? Riding low has been a complaint about the fox 34 and x-fus slant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushPilot View Post
    Good to hear. Thanks. After the Fox 2013 line-up, I would have a hard time coughing up $900 for one of their products.

    Does the Pike ride relatively high in it's travel as advertised? Riding low has been a complaint about the fox 34 and x-fus slant.
    Don't really know, I didn't pay much attention to it. I never felt that the F34 rode particularly low either. What I do know, at proper sag, my 120mm F34 Talas pre CTD rode too firm in most terrain, yet I could get it to bottom at least once on a typical ride. Dialed such that there was some minimal plushness, I would easily blow through all travel. I never really noticed that it was particularly flimsy either.

    Pike 140mm soloair, on the other hand, at proper sag rides very plush when dialed properly. It uses 1/2 of the available travel just riding over rocks and hammering some light downhill chunk. I'm not quite dialed yet, but you really have to push it hard to go much beyond 85% travel use. There is no noticeable transition between the plush feel and the firm feel. Very stiff fork both front to rear, and side to side.

    I was always a strict Fox guy. The crap CTD shock that came on the back of my bike was quickly traded for Cane Creek, now I've swapped the fork out for a Pike. My bike rides much better, especially after both front and rear suspensions have been changed. Plush, yet not mushy, nice progression to quite firm when deep in the stroke.

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    I would second Optimus' comments. I don't feel my Fox road low in its travel, but it wasn't as plush or stiff. So far, the Pike is super plush but seems to always have "more" to go. It's like a super trained trail dog that just always wants to go further, longer, rougher, more. I like Fox fine, but I could never get the same combination of small and big hit comfort.

    I also find that I ride a lot with it fully open and don't really care. As long as I'm seated and pedaling smooth, it doesn't feel too soft but still give nice small bump compliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Don't really know, I didn't pay much attention to it. I never felt that the F34 rode particularly low either. What I do know, at proper sag, my 120mm F34 Talas pre CTD rode too firm in most terrain, yet I could get it to bottom at least once on a typical ride. Dialed such that there was some minimal plushness, I would easily blow through all travel. I never really noticed that it was particularly flimsy either.

    Pike 140mm soloair, on the other hand, at proper sag rides very plush when dialed properly. It uses 1/2 of the available travel just riding over rocks and hammering some light downhill chunk. I'm not quite dialed yet, but you really have to push it hard to go much beyond 85% travel use. There is no noticeable transition between the plush feel and the firm feel. Very stiff fork both front to rear, and side to side.

    I was always a strict Fox guy. The crap CTD shock that came on the back of my bike was quickly traded for Cane Creek, now I've swapped the fork out for a Pike. My bike rides much better, especially after both front and rear suspensions have been changed. Plush, yet not mushy, nice progression to quite firm when deep in the stroke.

    I would echo most of what you said, although I have a CTD shock, so can't compare to a CCDB.
    BTW, mine came with a seal kit and two orange spacer looking thingy's. What are those? Hard being on the bleeding edge because SRAM is slow to print a manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Bear View Post
    I would echo most of what you said, although I have a CTD shock, so can't compare to a CCDB.
    BTW, mine came with a seal kit and two orange spacer looking thingy's. What are those? Hard being on the bleeding edge because SRAM is slow to print a manual.
    The seal kit is for doing a seal/oil service. The spacer thingies are for changing the volume in your air spring, for tuning the rate of progressiveness. In other words, you can adjust the rate at which your fork transitions from plush to firm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    The seal kit is for doing a seal/oil service. The spacer thingies are for changing the volume in your air spring, for tuning the rate of progressiveness. In other words, you can adjust the rate at which your fork transitions from plush to firm.
    Thank you! This is my first RS, except for an older Totem, so is this (air spacer & seal kit) common among the various RS forks?
    When would you expect RS to produce a maintenance manual and/or useful owners manual?

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    Minimal info on their site, minimal on youtube. There will be something out soon, either from RS, or individuals posting on youtube etc.

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    I don't have a whole lot of time on mine yet as I had to switch out cranks but initial impressions are really good. Stiff, plush and adjustable. Granted I don't have a lot of experience on many recent forks (just traded my '96 habanero in for a '13 Zeus...big step up!) I did have a year with an Ibis mojo equipped with X-fusion Velvet. Other than the maxle (I preferred the X-fusion) the Pike is pretty freaking awesome.

    Weird that RS provides no documents online or in the box to help with fork setup but whatever, I'll figure out what feels good over time.

    Some were questioning travel adjustability - I have the 27.5 dual air and with a dial on the left leg can adjust min/max travel minimum being 130 to max 160.

    So far very stoked with the bike, forks 'n all.
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    I got the 150mm 26 pike and am very happy. I have an xfusion velvet 140 and a 2010 fox 150 32 talas fit RLC with kashima. All have tapered and 15qr. The pike is by far the smoothest and despite the fact I only weigh 125lbs the extra stiffness is quite obvious and very welcome even over relatively small bumps like 6" rocks.

    The pike only weighs 50g more than my fox so I can't imagine buying a 32 or 34 fox knowing that. The 35 pike is amazing.

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    I can give a limited ride report. So far, Rockshox has a real winner with this fork. Some (me included) wished for 20mm but having a few hours on it now I can say it's not an issue with a solid wheelset.

    Background: I've been riding since the mid 90's and was not a rockshox fan until the Lyric; Marzochi until they went to crap then Fox after that was my preference. I ride very rocky S. Cal trails and like AM style riding hitting the intermediate jumps and the tech trails. I've owned just about every fox fork and liked the 36 float on my Nomad but the Lyric solo air was better. I put a Marzochi 55TI on and then took it off after a month as the Lyric was 95% as good on the way down and 100% better up. Now I'm on a 2012 Remedy.

    I've spent the last 6 months on a 34 Float 150 and been fighting brake dive so bad I thought the bike it was on just sucked. Combined with the typical-for-Fox doesn't use the last inch of travel, the 34 is a dud IMO. I'm sending mine in for the 2014 damper upgrade but am leaving in a week for a big trip so picked up a Pike so I wasn't without a AM ride. My best decision in quite some time.

    First off, the Pike doesn't dive and my bike now handles like it should. Secondly, while sagging a perfect for me 25%, I used all but the last 5mm of travel on my typical trails with a few smaller jumps. Same trail and same sag on the 34 and I never got within an inch of using all the travel. Even if the 2014 parts make the dive issue go away, Fox has had the issue of not using it's last 15% of travel for 10 years so I don't expect that to be cured with the change (I've had 8 different fox forks, they've all been like that).

    The Pike felt very stiff in braking and the corners, a noticeable increase from the 34. Not that the 34 is bad but the Pikes increased plushness (yes, it's much more plush than the 34, this is probably the most improved aspect between the two forks and quite surprising for a not even broken in fork) combined with the stiffness is a real confidence booster. I always said the Remedy is more like a long travel trail bike but with this fork it finally feels like an AM bike that's not just capable but also confidence inspiring.

    I didn't even really research the new damper thing in there but can say that the platform works very well and can be made anywhere from slight to very solid and everything between. Our rides are pretty much all straight up then straight down so I haven't really tried riding it down with the platform on so can't comment on how it would work somewhere like Arizona with lots of small ups and downs and no time to flip the switch. I have it set with just a few clicks and it's perfect for what I like.

    I know some are asking for a comparison vs. the Lyric or 36 but that's just not a fair comparison IMO. The Pike is quite a bit lighter and is more an Enduro (whatever that is) and light-AM fork whereas the Lyric and 36 are at the heavy end of AM and light freeride. For what it's worth, I think if you hit any significant gap jumps or drops over 5 ft you should run the bigger forks. Pike would be fine if you hit everything perfect but screw up and that 10% extra the bigger fork gives might make a difference. If you mostly ride technical trails and stick to the table tops the Pike is the way to go. If I still had a Nomad it would run a Lyric. Remedy carbon is well matched with the Pike.

    Only questionable thing is that you are buying into a 1st production run product so who knows what the long term issues will be? For me, the unknown-issues-but-looks-good-now is better than the known issues with the 34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Got a fractured bone in my foot, so no ride report. But, after a neighborhood curb jump test ride, I'd say that this fork is very plush, very smooth, and under hard braking feels very stiff.

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    What is your Rune weighing in at now with the Pike on it?

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    Photo dog, thanks! Yesterday I walked into Wrench Science with about $1000 for FOX 34, walked out with ordered PIKE ! Good to hear your review. I have owned about 10 FOX forks/shocks and I am hoping this fork is as you reviewed. Fingers crossed! I will be going from Fox Float 32 CTD 150, to PIKE 160. Sweet! I love FOX forks, and I think this PIKE, if it holds tough, is going to up the game of all fork manufactures. This is good for all of us over the next few years. I really wanted a Lyrik after riding friends bike for 4 days, but my 15mm wheels are not convertible. Pike fills the bill with 35 mm stanchions, I hope it is as tuneable as FOX. I don't get super dialed, but I do spend time setting up fork each few rides.

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    I doubt very much that you'll regret your decision, hoolie. I replaced a 140mm F34 on my 29er with the 140mm Pike soloair. I am destroying my previous best elapsed times on all of the downhills that I track. If you've ever ridden on a Cane Creek Double Barrel, this fork has a very similar smooth and bottomless feel.

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    I've got a 2013 Remedy and the FOX 150 32 CTD that came with it SUCKS. Photodog's description of diving sounds like the crappy FOX fork I have on my Remedy. I've been toying with the idea of replacing it with a 2013 Marz 55CR lowered to 150 (or get an angleset and retain the Marz at 170 travel), or a Lyrik. But after seeing photodog's post on the Pike, I have another contender for a new Remedy fork. The black stanchions of the Pike are a + in the looks department IMO (kinda sick of seeing gold stanchions everywhere).

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    Have a few rides on my Pike Solo Air 160mm 26" now...

    Very stiff compared to the Revelations and Rebas I have been running for years. Tracks great.

    Extremely plush, plusher than my Revelation was, even with the big stantions.

    Easy setup, pump it up and go, no wasted time finding the fine line between plushness and travel loss as with dual air.

    The damper knob came loose right out of the box. I removed the screw, took the knob off, tightened down an odd inner threaded sleeve nut, and it was fine. The damper knob engages with the cartridge using an odd knurled contact point, it is not keyed in any way. This could be a problem, the knob takes real force to turn... No idea why they didn't use a keyed design like all the other RS forks.

    Rides high in the travel even when set up pretty soft. Not sure if it is using all the travel when set up with the proper sag. Will be watching this.

    New Maxle design is awesome, much easier and grips better (can tell because my roof rack adapter used to slip and now it doesn't).

    Decals are not clear coated over so if you don't like them you can easily remove.

    Really nice fork. Not sure if it will make my riding better, but it certainly has a nice feel. I am very glad that I chose this over the Fox 34 and Slant.

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    Sounds like the new Pikes are a winner from the reports so far. Pinkbike liked them too.

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    Is it me or does the pike A/C see, lower then the fox 34 160? My front end sits lower than it did with the fox 34 160 ( I have the pie 160 dual air). The Pike is defiantly more raked than the fox on my 2013 Enduro.

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    Fellas w/ this fork, I'm at a toss-up between the Solo-air and The Dual Position Air. I have NO experience w/ the Rockshox travel adjust forks, but the going thinking on Fox is stay away from the TALAS because they're overly complicated to service and all the extra seals make the fork feel like poo. So, need some guidance w/ this. I typically ride the Fox equivalent of the Solo-air (Float...32, 34, and 36). TIA.

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    Soloair is super plush, I have not yet wished that I could shorten the travel, climbs just fine.

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    Just a quick heads up, the new spesh camber evo top model uses a 29" pike reduced to 120mm travel so some parts must be available to reduce travel of solo air models at least at oem level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben_stamp View Post
    Just a quick heads up, the new spesh camber evo top model uses a 29" pike reduced to 120mm travel so some parts must be available to reduce travel of solo air models at least at oem level.
    They make all kinds of stuff we can't buy. Certain sizes of monarch xx for instance. It's really unfortunate.

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    Has anyone used/installed the "Tokens" to make the air spring more progressive? Am interested in this fork and like a slightly progressive spring. Would be interested to hear how easy/hard it is to install the tokens, how many tokens used, and what effect it has on the spring.

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    I recently read something about Push industries releasing spacers to tune the air chamber for the new Fox forks, anyone who has complaints like above try these out? Seems like maybe Fox missed the mark on the air chamber volume and this could iron that out. It's a bummer to hear all the negative Fox talk on here lately, I always wanted to own a bike with a Fox Fork since the were the shizz back in the day.

    I am very interested in this new Pike for my Trek Stache 7 (currently has Recon Silver TK29) but as a diehard motocross guy I'm not a fan of the black coating on the sliders (I love gold!!!). I feel like I've seen Walmart bikes with cheapo forks with black coated sliders and it just makes me think cheap and that it will eventually wear down/off and look even cheaper. This seem possible?

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    About the FOX CTD, I am no fan, I would rather they put a light switch, like on my wall. On or off! Simple. I DO think the CTD needs to have accurate oil levels to work correctly. The fact that some and not others have problems would indicate oil levels from factory would be culprit, not the mechanical parts, as they would be identical. In addition to my FOX CTD Float 150 32, I have a TALAS 29er. I don't know what the TALAS is supposed to do. Useless to advanced riders. I try to use it sometimes so I feel better about the money I spent to get remote lockout for singlespeed. In general, i really like the FOX products as they have served me well. Pike still on order, I think I missed fast shipping by a week, as the demand is rising and supplies dwindling? C'mon shipper guy!

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    10 or so additional hours since my previous review and I'm appreciating the fork even more. Very solid fork and much more plush than the 34 was. 34 is on it's way to Fox for the "fix," I will toss it back on when it's back. If the diving issue is solved it is still a really good fork... but the Pike is better.

    Tryinghard and Hoolie: that 32 150mm is a joke! You guys are going to be really pleased with the Pike. What a horrible spec by some product manager in the midwest that 32/150 is. The Remedy is such a great bike but nobody knows about it because it's handicapped by a noodle of a fork and super crappy wheels. $5k for a 9.8 that needs another $1800 into it to make is as good as a $5k Ibis is just dumb. Loving mine now though, one of my favorite bikes right next to my Nomad.

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    Thanks photodog. I'm seriously considering the 2013 Pike 150 now. Sounds like the perfect replacement for the crappy FOX 32 150 CTD. It's currently a fight between the 2013 Pike and the 2013 Marz 55CR. Hmmmm... Hmmmm....
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    Someone clear this out please;

    perfect version of pike for me would be:

    29, dual position air, 140mm
    Will it be possible to get this version? Would really like the dual air (140-110mm) as i have some quite steep ascents...

    what is the product number (i cannot find it anywhere...)

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    I was a long time fan of Marzocchi and was really happy when they got their quality control back in order. I had the 2011 55ti while it was super plush, I did not like it as much as my Lyric. No platform was a big part of that but the bigger issue was that it was heavier and only a little more plush than the Lyric, not enough to justify all the extra weight.

    As for the Solo Air vs. 2 Step, Rockshox doesn't have a very good history with the 2 step so I'd personally avoid it. Of course I'm not really into travel adjustments even if they didn't break down and cause more friction so take my opinion for what it's worth.

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    2 Step was discontinued long ago, Pike and Lyrik use DUAL POSITION air springs, not 2 step.

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    160 lowered to 150

    Anyone can answer to this question that has been already asked couple of times here.
    I purchased 160mm single air and want to lower it to 150, is it possible?

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    No...from what I've read the new pike cannot be lowered. I believe I read that in this thread. They use different bladders for each size. This is why you can purchase it in a 150 or a 160 where as a fox only offers aftermarket forks in a 160 (which can be lowered).

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    Thanks for your answer, but do you have any source for it?
    I don't think you can compare it to FOX shocks and also almost all previous RS shocks was lowered with no problem by adding a spacer to a air spring...
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    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?

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    if the I remember that I read that it couldn't be lowered. I've tried find where....but no luck. I've been reading everything I could find about this fork. One of the comments in the pinkbike review was from a guy who had asked his sram rep the same question and was told that it could not be lowered. This wasn't what I originally read though. Sorry I don't have more info. My comment on about fox forks wasn't to compare them. But it makes sense to me that they offer the pike in a 150 and 160 for 26 inch wheels. I always thought that most companies that have forks with the ability to lower the travel don't bother to sell them in multiple sizes. They just.sell them at 160 for instance and let the buyer lower them if desired. This isn't true for complete builds though. I could be wrong on that but it makes sense. Also if the internals are completely new the old way of lowering the fork may not work.....I don't know...sorry

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    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?
    The path bike shop in Tustin California has them. That's where I got mine. They had several when I was there, give them a call they may have the flavor you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?
    Universal Cycles has the 26" 150 Universal Cycles -- Rock Shox Pike RCT3 Solo Air Fork 2014

    Use the "vip15" coupon code and it drops the price 15% to about $833.

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    I found this pinkbike post:
    RockShox Pike - Tested by mikelevy - Pinkbike
    "All Pike models will be air sprung, with riders able to choose from either a Dual Position Air (DPA) system that allows for 30mm of travel adjustment by way of simplified internals compared to previous iterations, or the fixed-travel Solo Air option that is tested here for those who don't feel the need to lower the front of their bike for climbing or tamer terrain. The spring rate on all versions of the Pike can be tuned by way of RockShox's 'Bottomless Tokens', plastic spacers that are threaded by hand into the underside of the top cap. Multiple Bottomless Tokens can be stacked up in order to increase the progressiveness of the fork throughout its travel.
    Some Pike models use RockShox's Dual Position Air travel adjust system (left), although our test fork employs their non-adjustable Solo Air spring. Volume spacers (right) can be used to adjust the fork's progression, if required."

    So I am now more confused then ever, is it possible to lower or not ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimn View Post
    I found this pinkbike post:

    So I am now more confused then ever, is it possible to lower or not ???
    Bottomless tokens just tune the spring. Dual Position Air is just travel adjust. It doesn't "lower" the fork like turning the 160 into a 150, but if you want a 130mm fork you can buy the 160 DPA and use the travel adjust feature and just leave it at 130. The flip of a switch and it's back to 160. So far SRAM doesn't support lowering the pike.

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    It looks like a solid fork, but I'm disappointed on the amount of lubrication oil in the damper side (5 ml).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    It looks like a solid fork, but I'm disappointed on the amount of lubrication oil in the damper side (5 ml).
    Could you explain why? Would be interesting to know.

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    Hypethetical: Say you get a 140mm 29er...think that a Lyrik 160/170/180mm air piston assembly might fit in a Pike to get you the 160, if you stuff the thing into the Pike in the 180mm setting?

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    I spoke to SRAM - no way to lower without replacing the air spring assembly. They said that they should make them available shortly for under $100

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjkitt View Post
    Could you explain why? Would be interesting to know.

    Cheers,
    Explain what?

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    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.
    According to one of the videos SRAM did they are using an oil they sell but they don't seem to care if you want to use a different one.

    This is the service schedule from my pike user manual:

    Every ride: clean stanchions, lubricate dust seals and stanchions (they say "upper tubes" in the manual), check air pressure, inspect stanchions for scratches.

    25 hours: check front suspension fasteners for proper torque

    50 hours: "Remove lowers, clean/inspect bushings and change oil bath"

    100 hours: "Clean and lubricate air spring assembly" and "Change oil in dampening system (including hydraulic lockout)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by litany View Post
    Every ride: clean stanchions, lubricate dust seals and stanchions (they say "upper tubes" in the manual),
    My fork came with something indistinguishable to slick honey on the dust wipers and upper tubes. No visible oil anywhere but it seems they pre-lubricated it for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.
    Lubrication oil is Maxima Maxum Ultra 0w30 (motorcycle engine oil). It does not have a short service life but because of the low amount of lubrication in damper side (5 ml) I would recommend frequent maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    Lubrication oil is Maxima Maxum Ultra 0w30 (motorcycle engine oil). It does not have a short service life but because of the low amount of lubrication in damper side (5 ml) I would recommend frequent maintenance.
    That makes a heck of a lot more sense - and also why SRAM is recommending that every 50 hours of use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltik View Post
    I spoke to SRAM - no way to lower without replacing the air spring assembly. They said that they should make them available shortly for under $100
    Were you answering my post? If so, I was trying to see if a 140 Pike 29 can be bumped up to a 160 by using the 180mm travel setting Lyrik air piston for a 26...I was trying to extend the 140, not shorten.

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    So that's what the red things are for. I was going crazy trying to figure out if they were part of the fork or part of my bike or just some random parts thrown in. Axle to crown is close to 571, I got 575 but that may just be in dragging the tape-measure over. Curious what settings others are using? I started with about 70psi for 170lbs (riding weight) and it seems to be a little too much. Only about 5 clicks of rebound, but that seems like it wouldn't be enough. I go back and forth on compression between zero and dialing in some for bigger hits/drops.
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    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?

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    Also, what's with the "51mm offset" option? ... sorry, this is a beginner question. I don't really know what that means. I have a Yeti SB-95 and I'm not sure if I want the 51mm offset or not...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?
    I have the Pike 140 on my Large SB95c. I would guess it depends on the type of riding you will be doing whether to go with dual. The Solo is awesome and I think the SB-95 is well suited to the 140. I have a lot of time on the 95A with the Fox 120 and the 140 seems just as agile and much improved tuning. I do tend to run it in the middle damping position on XC type trails and open on the AM type trails. At first I was thinking about putting in a 10 mm spacer, but now with more time on the 140 I have totally given that idea up. Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?
    The problem with externally adjustable travel forks is basically there's more to go wrong. I rode a couple of talas forks for years and never had that problem but I did run into other problems. If you service it its usually fine but it can be a pain for sure. With other rockshox forks they allow you to buy the soloair or dual position air cartridge for a reasonable price and install it yourself. Not sure if the pike ones are out yet but you aren't stuck with your decision forever or anything.

    Also people complain that the more complicated air systems have more stiction.

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    Thanks Simplemind and litany.

    Good to hear both counts. I didn't realize that you can switch out the dual position and solo eventually if needed.

    And, Simplemind, I haven't had my sb95a on a 140 at all yet, so it's cool to hear that it's all good.

    Now, about that 51mm offset...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    Now, about that 51mm offset...?
    I contacted Fox about their 34 29er... The tech (Matt?) told me the 34's rake has never changed...always been 51mm.

    Edit: I was going to make the jump from 34 to Pike which is what caused me to make the call. But, I decided to wait it out for 1 model year on the Pike...I'm sitting on a brand new 2014 (warrantied) 34 Float 29 CTD...

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    Did anyone receive their fork minus the sag markings on the stanchion? My 29 solo air 140 just arrived and they are nowhere to be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteox View Post
    Did anyone receive their fork minus the sag markings on the stanchion? My 29 solo air 140 just arrived and they are nowhere to be found.
    Some other people have gotten their hands on the 140 model and reported that it lacks the sag markings. Only the 150/160 model has them.
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    When considering travel adjust also consider how much you need it (du...). With my old bike I sometimes used it. New one, no. My new one is a Pike solo 150. The point?

    The new, a TBLTc, has a longer wheelbase. With that the front end stays more planted.
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    For anyone curious, I called Yeti about the Pike and the various offset options and they recommended just going with the standard offset. So that's what I ended up getting (the 150mm version). I can tell a slight difference in handling from the Fox 34 I had on my SB95 but I am undecided if it's positive or negative in nature yet. However, the Pike itself is much more plush and a decidedly smoother ride. The annoying brake dive from the Fox is also gone.
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    So my fork was supposed to be delivered today. Received an email update 5 minutes after the FedEx guy left. I was home...never heard a knock or anything. Now I have to wait til Tuesday! Ugh...

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    I received mine, last week, what I can tell you after a only two rides its amazing fork!
    I am running 30% sag, because fork is 160mm and I want to lower it to 150, so little more sag feeling great on my banshee spitfire.

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    Got a 160mm on the way for my SJ EVO 26.
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    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassn View Post
    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.
    Rockshox recommended settings are notorious for being way off, so don't worry about it. Just set your air pressure to get your 30% sag and go ride.
    I don't crash, I just have slightly uncontrolled dismounts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwiplague View Post
    Rockshox recommended settings are notorious for being way off, so don't worry about it. Just set your air pressure to get your 30% sag and go ride.
    Thanks. I just thought 50 PSI for a 175 lb. rider seemed low, but as you say, set the sag and ride

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    Also running 50 psi at 190lbs. Working great and haven't bottomed it yet though I'm riding slow for other reasons (arm injury).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassn View Post
    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.
    30% does sound high, especially for a fork reputed to run high in its travel while still being small-bump sensitive. I had to run my 2014 Fox 34 at 30% to be soft enough over small stuff for my liking. Still never used the last 15mm of travel with that thing, even off 3 foot drops to flat while at 30% sag.

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    Hoping fellow Pike owners can confirm a suspected problem.

    Got my new Pikes yesterday 26" 150mm, was very pleased - weigh only 80g more than my RCT3 Revs (1801g vs 1727g both with a 195mm steerer). Amazing.
    Very stiff and not as 'divey' as the Revs they replaced.

    However I think the damper is not working as it should -

    The dial adjuster only has two 'clicks' - one for fully open; the other when selecting platform; but no 'click' when selecting lockout.
    In lockout I can easily get 55mm of travel by pushing down on the fork.
    The Low Speed Compression has very little effect.
    When the rebound is on full 'slow' the fork still returns relatively quickly.

    Can someone confirm their fork does not behave like this?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.
    I also felt the same and initially ran the pressure at 60 which gave me about 25% sag. During my first descent on yesterday ride I still had about 25mm of travel unused. This run included a few 2 foot drops, smaller jumps, rocks, and pretty beat up trail conditions. At that point I lowered it to 50 and pretty much used most of the travel.

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    Good info here. Ordered a PIKE y'day to replace my Revelation. Hopefully will notice less vibrations / flex / dive which have really been screwing with me.

    re: Sag I had the revelation sitting at 25 - 30% with 80 - 90 psi and got advised to use less sag to improve the small bump compliance (counter intuitive). I had to up that to 125 psi before i got the sag around 20%. Definitely helped with the diving...but thats about it. I would expect to run my fork around 25% - 30% as others mention

    So looking fwd to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    re: Sag I had the revelation sitting at 25 - 30% with 80 - 90 psi and got advised to use less sag to improve the small bump compliance (counter intuitive).
    Can you ref your source for this statement...some sort of manual or a RS tune tech? It is indeed very counter intuitive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Can you ref your source for this statement...some sort of manual or a RS tune tech? It is indeed very counter intuitive!
    ha ha...not so lucky. It was from esteemed posters on this forum (look for "Revelation" thread from last week)....i was looking for any input to tweak performance for the better.

    what i did discover this weekend which may be total BS...was to run the fork with more damping (compression and rebound) than felt good initially...because i felt these opened up after a short time - damper fluid possibly heating up? This was on long descents where the fluids had time to heat up as opposed to XC pedaling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post

    ha ha...not so lucky. It was from esteemed posters on this forum (look for "Revelation" thread from last week)....i was looking for any input to tweak performance for the better.

    what i did discover this weekend which may be total BS...was to run the fork with more damping (compression and rebound) than felt good initially...because i felt these opened up after a short time - damper fluid possibly heating up? This was on long descents where the fluids had time to heat up as opposed to XC pedaling.
    So, mostly anecdotal... That's okay, if it works. Does it work?

    For anyone else reading this, don't get me wrong. The Pike is leaps and bounds better than the Fox, out of the box!

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    I tried everything i know - all ranges of air pressure (high / med / low) , changing damper fluid and playing with my compression settings as described. I ordered the Pike....kinda answers the question as to whether i was succesful.

    re: the Revelation...single big hits were actually fine. It soaked up a surprise 3' nose heavy roll over this weekend when for sure i thought i was going OTB...but when it came to high speed chunder / roots and heavy front braking - it struggled.

    Everyone sounds stoked on the Pike...and I am enjoying reading all the feedack / input. Hopefully I will be able to "plug and play" when it arrives.

    thanks.
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