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    I was a long time fan of Marzocchi and was really happy when they got their quality control back in order. I had the 2011 55ti while it was super plush, I did not like it as much as my Lyric. No platform was a big part of that but the bigger issue was that it was heavier and only a little more plush than the Lyric, not enough to justify all the extra weight.

    As for the Solo Air vs. 2 Step, Rockshox doesn't have a very good history with the 2 step so I'd personally avoid it. Of course I'm not really into travel adjustments even if they didn't break down and cause more friction so take my opinion for what it's worth.

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    2 Step was discontinued long ago, Pike and Lyrik use DUAL POSITION air springs, not 2 step.

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    160 lowered to 150

    Anyone can answer to this question that has been already asked couple of times here.
    I purchased 160mm single air and want to lower it to 150, is it possible?

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    No...from what I've read the new pike cannot be lowered. I believe I read that in this thread. They use different bladders for each size. This is why you can purchase it in a 150 or a 160 where as a fox only offers aftermarket forks in a 160 (which can be lowered).

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    Thanks for your answer, but do you have any source for it?
    I don't think you can compare it to FOX shocks and also almost all previous RS shocks was lowered with no problem by adding a spacer to a air spring...
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    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?

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    if the I remember that I read that it couldn't be lowered. I've tried find where....but no luck. I've been reading everything I could find about this fork. One of the comments in the pinkbike review was from a guy who had asked his sram rep the same question and was told that it could not be lowered. This wasn't what I originally read though. Sorry I don't have more info. My comment on about fox forks wasn't to compare them. But it makes sense to me that they offer the pike in a 150 and 160 for 26 inch wheels. I always thought that most companies that have forks with the ability to lower the travel don't bother to sell them in multiple sizes. They just.sell them at 160 for instance and let the buyer lower them if desired. This isn't true for complete builds though. I could be wrong on that but it makes sense. Also if the internals are completely new the old way of lowering the fork may not work.....I don't know...sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?
    The path bike shop in Tustin California has them. That's where I got mine. They had several when I was there, give them a call they may have the flavor you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?
    Universal Cycles has the 26" 150 Universal Cycles -- Rock Shox Pike RCT3 Solo Air Fork 2014

    Use the "vip15" coupon code and it drops the price 15% to about $833.

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    I found this pinkbike post:
    RockShox Pike - Tested by mikelevy - Pinkbike
    "All Pike models will be air sprung, with riders able to choose from either a Dual Position Air (DPA) system that allows for 30mm of travel adjustment by way of simplified internals compared to previous iterations, or the fixed-travel Solo Air option that is tested here for those who don't feel the need to lower the front of their bike for climbing or tamer terrain. The spring rate on all versions of the Pike can be tuned by way of RockShox's 'Bottomless Tokens', plastic spacers that are threaded by hand into the underside of the top cap. Multiple Bottomless Tokens can be stacked up in order to increase the progressiveness of the fork throughout its travel.
    Some Pike models use RockShox's Dual Position Air travel adjust system (left), although our test fork employs their non-adjustable Solo Air spring. Volume spacers (right) can be used to adjust the fork's progression, if required."

    So I am now more confused then ever, is it possible to lower or not ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimn View Post
    I found this pinkbike post:

    So I am now more confused then ever, is it possible to lower or not ???
    Bottomless tokens just tune the spring. Dual Position Air is just travel adjust. It doesn't "lower" the fork like turning the 160 into a 150, but if you want a 130mm fork you can buy the 160 DPA and use the travel adjust feature and just leave it at 130. The flip of a switch and it's back to 160. So far SRAM doesn't support lowering the pike.

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    It looks like a solid fork, but I'm disappointed on the amount of lubrication oil in the damper side (5 ml).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    It looks like a solid fork, but I'm disappointed on the amount of lubrication oil in the damper side (5 ml).
    Could you explain why? Would be interesting to know.

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    Hypethetical: Say you get a 140mm 29er...think that a Lyrik 160/170/180mm air piston assembly might fit in a Pike to get you the 160, if you stuff the thing into the Pike in the 180mm setting?
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    I spoke to SRAM - no way to lower without replacing the air spring assembly. They said that they should make them available shortly for under $100

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjkitt View Post
    Could you explain why? Would be interesting to know.

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    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.
    According to one of the videos SRAM did they are using an oil they sell but they don't seem to care if you want to use a different one.

    This is the service schedule from my pike user manual:

    Every ride: clean stanchions, lubricate dust seals and stanchions (they say "upper tubes" in the manual), check air pressure, inspect stanchions for scratches.

    25 hours: check front suspension fasteners for proper torque

    50 hours: "Remove lowers, clean/inspect bushings and change oil bath"

    100 hours: "Clean and lubricate air spring assembly" and "Change oil in dampening system (including hydraulic lockout)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by litany View Post
    Every ride: clean stanchions, lubricate dust seals and stanchions (they say "upper tubes" in the manual),
    My fork came with something indistinguishable to slick honey on the dust wipers and upper tubes. No visible oil anywhere but it seems they pre-lubricated it for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.
    Lubrication oil is Maxima Maxum Ultra 0w30 (motorcycle engine oil). It does not have a short service life but because of the low amount of lubrication in damper side (5 ml) I would recommend frequent maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    Lubrication oil is Maxima Maxum Ultra 0w30 (motorcycle engine oil). It does not have a short service life but because of the low amount of lubrication in damper side (5 ml) I would recommend frequent maintenance.
    That makes a heck of a lot more sense - and also why SRAM is recommending that every 50 hours of use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltik View Post
    I spoke to SRAM - no way to lower without replacing the air spring assembly. They said that they should make them available shortly for under $100
    Were you answering my post? If so, I was trying to see if a 140 Pike 29 can be bumped up to a 160 by using the 180mm travel setting Lyrik air piston for a 26...I was trying to extend the 140, not shorten.
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    So that's what the red things are for. I was going crazy trying to figure out if they were part of the fork or part of my bike or just some random parts thrown in. Axle to crown is close to 571, I got 575 but that may just be in dragging the tape-measure over. Curious what settings others are using? I started with about 70psi for 170lbs (riding weight) and it seems to be a little too much. Only about 5 clicks of rebound, but that seems like it wouldn't be enough. I go back and forth on compression between zero and dialing in some for bigger hits/drops.
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    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?

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    Also, what's with the "51mm offset" option? ... sorry, this is a beginner question. I don't really know what that means. I have a Yeti SB-95 and I'm not sure if I want the 51mm offset or not...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?
    I have the Pike 140 on my Large SB95c. I would guess it depends on the type of riding you will be doing whether to go with dual. The Solo is awesome and I think the SB-95 is well suited to the 140. I have a lot of time on the 95A with the Fox 120 and the 140 seems just as agile and much improved tuning. I do tend to run it in the middle damping position on XC type trails and open on the AM type trails. At first I was thinking about putting in a 10 mm spacer, but now with more time on the 140 I have totally given that idea up. Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?
    The problem with externally adjustable travel forks is basically there's more to go wrong. I rode a couple of talas forks for years and never had that problem but I did run into other problems. If you service it its usually fine but it can be a pain for sure. With other rockshox forks they allow you to buy the soloair or dual position air cartridge for a reasonable price and install it yourself. Not sure if the pike ones are out yet but you aren't stuck with your decision forever or anything.

    Also people complain that the more complicated air systems have more stiction.

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    Thanks Simplemind and litany.

    Good to hear both counts. I didn't realize that you can switch out the dual position and solo eventually if needed.

    And, Simplemind, I haven't had my sb95a on a 140 at all yet, so it's cool to hear that it's all good.

    Now, about that 51mm offset...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    Now, about that 51mm offset...?
    I contacted Fox about their 34 29er... The tech (Matt?) told me the 34's rake has never changed...always been 51mm.

    Edit: I was going to make the jump from 34 to Pike which is what caused me to make the call. But, I decided to wait it out for 1 model year on the Pike...I'm sitting on a brand new 2014 (warrantied) 34 Float 29 CTD...
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    Did anyone receive their fork minus the sag markings on the stanchion? My 29 solo air 140 just arrived and they are nowhere to be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteox View Post
    Did anyone receive their fork minus the sag markings on the stanchion? My 29 solo air 140 just arrived and they are nowhere to be found.
    Some other people have gotten their hands on the 140 model and reported that it lacks the sag markings. Only the 150/160 model has them.
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    When considering travel adjust also consider how much you need it (du...). With my old bike I sometimes used it. New one, no. My new one is a Pike solo 150. The point?

    The new, a TBLTc, has a longer wheelbase. With that the front end stays more planted.
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    For anyone curious, I called Yeti about the Pike and the various offset options and they recommended just going with the standard offset. So that's what I ended up getting (the 150mm version). I can tell a slight difference in handling from the Fox 34 I had on my SB95 but I am undecided if it's positive or negative in nature yet. However, the Pike itself is much more plush and a decidedly smoother ride. The annoying brake dive from the Fox is also gone.
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    So my fork was supposed to be delivered today. Received an email update 5 minutes after the FedEx guy left. I was home...never heard a knock or anything. Now I have to wait til Tuesday! Ugh...

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    I received mine, last week, what I can tell you after a only two rides its amazing fork!
    I am running 30% sag, because fork is 160mm and I want to lower it to 150, so little more sag feeling great on my banshee spitfire.

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    Got a 160mm on the way for my SJ EVO 26.
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    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassn View Post
    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.
    Rockshox recommended settings are notorious for being way off, so don't worry about it. Just set your air pressure to get your 30% sag and go ride.
    I don't crash, I just have slightly uncontrolled dismounts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwiplague View Post
    Rockshox recommended settings are notorious for being way off, so don't worry about it. Just set your air pressure to get your 30% sag and go ride.
    Thanks. I just thought 50 PSI for a 175 lb. rider seemed low, but as you say, set the sag and ride

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    Also running 50 psi at 190lbs. Working great and haven't bottomed it yet though I'm riding slow for other reasons (arm injury).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassn View Post
    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.
    30% does sound high, especially for a fork reputed to run high in its travel while still being small-bump sensitive. I had to run my 2014 Fox 34 at 30% to be soft enough over small stuff for my liking. Still never used the last 15mm of travel with that thing, even off 3 foot drops to flat while at 30% sag.

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    Hoping fellow Pike owners can confirm a suspected problem.

    Got my new Pikes yesterday 26" 150mm, was very pleased - weigh only 80g more than my RCT3 Revs (1801g vs 1727g both with a 195mm steerer). Amazing.
    Very stiff and not as 'divey' as the Revs they replaced.

    However I think the damper is not working as it should -

    The dial adjuster only has two 'clicks' - one for fully open; the other when selecting platform; but no 'click' when selecting lockout.
    In lockout I can easily get 55mm of travel by pushing down on the fork.
    The Low Speed Compression has very little effect.
    When the rebound is on full 'slow' the fork still returns relatively quickly.

    Can someone confirm their fork does not behave like this?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.
    I also felt the same and initially ran the pressure at 60 which gave me about 25% sag. During my first descent on yesterday ride I still had about 25mm of travel unused. This run included a few 2 foot drops, smaller jumps, rocks, and pretty beat up trail conditions. At that point I lowered it to 50 and pretty much used most of the travel.

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    Good info here. Ordered a PIKE y'day to replace my Revelation. Hopefully will notice less vibrations / flex / dive which have really been screwing with me.

    re: Sag I had the revelation sitting at 25 - 30% with 80 - 90 psi and got advised to use less sag to improve the small bump compliance (counter intuitive). I had to up that to 125 psi before i got the sag around 20%. Definitely helped with the diving...but thats about it. I would expect to run my fork around 25% - 30% as others mention

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    re: Sag I had the revelation sitting at 25 - 30% with 80 - 90 psi and got advised to use less sag to improve the small bump compliance (counter intuitive).
    Can you ref your source for this statement...some sort of manual or a RS tune tech? It is indeed very counter intuitive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Can you ref your source for this statement...some sort of manual or a RS tune tech? It is indeed very counter intuitive!
    ha ha...not so lucky. It was from esteemed posters on this forum (look for "Revelation" thread from last week)....i was looking for any input to tweak performance for the better.

    what i did discover this weekend which may be total BS...was to run the fork with more damping (compression and rebound) than felt good initially...because i felt these opened up after a short time - damper fluid possibly heating up? This was on long descents where the fluids had time to heat up as opposed to XC pedaling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post

    ha ha...not so lucky. It was from esteemed posters on this forum (look for "Revelation" thread from last week)....i was looking for any input to tweak performance for the better.

    what i did discover this weekend which may be total BS...was to run the fork with more damping (compression and rebound) than felt good initially...because i felt these opened up after a short time - damper fluid possibly heating up? This was on long descents where the fluids had time to heat up as opposed to XC pedaling.
    So, mostly anecdotal... That's okay, if it works. Does it work?

    For anyone else reading this, don't get me wrong. The Pike is leaps and bounds better than the Fox, out of the box!
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    I tried everything i know - all ranges of air pressure (high / med / low) , changing damper fluid and playing with my compression settings as described. I ordered the Pike....kinda answers the question as to whether i was succesful.

    re: the Revelation...single big hits were actually fine. It soaked up a surprise 3' nose heavy roll over this weekend when for sure i thought i was going OTB...but when it came to high speed chunder / roots and heavy front braking - it struggled.

    Everyone sounds stoked on the Pike...and I am enjoying reading all the feedack / input. Hopefully I will be able to "plug and play" when it arrives.

    thanks.
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