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    New type of Fox shock mounting hardware

    I ordered a new set of shock mounting hardware for a DHX 5. Apparently they have a new type of mounting hardware with a plastic DU bushing that was released about a month ago. They no longer use the two piece aluminum reducers and sleeves. Instead they use what looks like Delrin to cover the exposed pin. According to the sales rep the new plastic bushings are far superior and supposed to last longer than the old DU bushings. Has anyone installed one of these new mounting kits, if so how is it working out for you so far? I ended up calling Fox and ordering the old style mounting hardware since the shock already had brand new DU bushings in it. I'll try the plastic fantastic ones next time I have to replace the DU bushings.
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    Looks like the same Igus bushing used in suspension pivots for Turners. The work great in that application. Hopefully the Fox setup works as well.

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    its not the plastic DU, it's the pin that makes all the difference. the 2 pieces aluminum top hat spacers are pathetic at best. go with the new hardware and enjoy stiffness and play-free suspension like it should be
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday View Post
    its not the plastic DU, it's the pin that makes all the difference. the 2 pieces aluminum top hat spacers are pathetic at best. go with the new hardware and enjoy stiffness and play-free suspension like it should be
    Its actually both. iglide is pretty slick and durable, and the 5 piece reducers are the best. Buuuut, actually you could have this same setup years ago, just had to order a 5 piece reducer kit (Marzocchi made them from steel, Rock Shox from anodized aluminum) and an Igus bushing.

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    They must have had Igus custom mold these for them because they're dimensional different....OD Flange is smaller and there is a Counter Bore on the back surface for an oring.

    I've just started using them. They work okay. I installed them dry and they immediately started making a high pitched noise. When I get a chance I will put some lube on them. The two delrin spacers are a press fit and are a beach to get off. I would have liked to see a stainless steel pin......if these are in fact made from the Igus L280 material then they would perform better with a 440c SST pin for the best wear and least friction.

    If your frame eats DU Bushings and some suspenion designs do....along with other variables then I would try them. If you're having good results from DU Bushings then I wouldn't change for changes sake unless you're the type of person that must have the latest new thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    They must have had Igus custom mold these for them because they're dimensional different....OD Flange is smaller and there is a Counter Bore on the back surface for an oring.

    I've just started using them. They work okay. I installed them dry and they immediately started making a high pitched noise. When I get a chance I will put some lube on them. The two delrin spacers are a press fit and are a beach to get off. I would have liked to see a stainless steel pin......if these are in fact made from the Igus L280 material then they would perform better with a 440c SST pin for the best wear and least friction.

    If your frame eats DU Bushings and some suspenion designs do....along with other variables then I would try them. If you're having good results from DU Bushings then I wouldn't change for changes sake unless you're the type of person that must have the latest new thing.

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    I talked to an IGUS rep, he told me this are specially made for them. And yeah, iglide 280 can get noisy when paired to certain rugosity axles or dirt. I've had some noise on my Spank Spike pedals that use outboard IGUS bushing. Dissasembled, cleaned everything very well and coated the axle lightly with marine grease.... no squeaking anymore.

    Anyways, this is the equivalent of Kashima in terms of marketing, they had to bring something with hype for 2013.

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    Took them a while.
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    I like it. As said, if you DU's are working fine, no point in going for these, but if you need a replacement these would be a fine option.

    At any rate, heaps better than those hat style bushings from hell.
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    I just got a 2013 Fox Float CTD...it came iwth the old style DU/ alum spacers.
    I called Fox and they are sending me the new style....we'll see if they make a difference.

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    Well....I tried them...
    And wish I had listened to the guys above.
    No noticeable difference while riding or moving the suspension through it's stroke with a airless shock.
    I have never had wear issues with the DU bushings on my Lenz ( and I ride in a lot of wet and sweat a lot to the point where the alum spacers get fuzzy)
    Don't know how these will wear long term....

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    How does it work? Where can we get this new 2013 Fox polymer mounting hardware?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzocchi170 View Post
    How does it work? Where can we get this new 2013 Fox polymer mounting hardware?
    Well...as far as how it works....read the thread.
    As far as where to get it....Fox or your lbs might be a good place to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Well...as far as how it works....read the thread.
    As far as where to get it....Fox or your lbs might be a good place to start.
    Do you have their phone number or email? thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzocchi170 View Post
    Do you have their phone number or email? thanks
    Both are available on their website. The phone number right on their front page, and their email is under "Contact Us".

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    Is this only for a DHX-5 or other Fox shocks as well .
    I have a Float RP3 in my Rush that has developed some slop
    and I wonder if they have simular for it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccaddy View Post
    Is this only for a DHX-5 or other Fox shocks as well .
    I have a Float RP3 in my Rush that has developed some slop
    and I wonder if they have simular for it ?
    New hardware is for all Fox shocks and other shocks that use the 1/2" DU Bushing. Call them directly to order or go to your LBS


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    My shock is in for service, I wonder what I will get?
    Has this type of hardware been used on any other bike shocks/applications?

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    I dont see why you would not go the needle bearing route(RWC)? I mean the rwc kit is about the same price as the new fox bushing kit.Is there something I am missing?I am using the needle bearings on my fox rp2 and I had to increase the pressure 15# to get the same travel I had when using DU bushings and aluminum spacers which tells me the needle bearings have less resistance.

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    needle bearing route(RWC) is better? or new 2013 Fox polymer is better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzocchi170 View Post
    needle bearing route(RWC) is better? or new 2013 Fox polymer is better?
    My needle brg setup has slop (doesnt seem to be wear) which I find irritating. YMMV, but that's how mine is ('09 Motolite). I plan to switch to the new fox.
    whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite View Post
    My needle brg setup has slop (doesnt seem to be wear) which I find irritating. YMMV, but that's how mine is ('09 Motolite). I plan to switch to the new fox.
    Current Enduro needles come with two sleeves, varying the fit. I was able to achieve zero slop using the appropriate sleeve on my Titus. Neither sleeved worked for you?

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    I get some minor play in my RWC but cannot feel a thing on the trail, just on the stand. Overall I'm very impressed with the needle bearings!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bear View Post
    Current Enduro needles come with two sleeves, varying the fit. I was able to achieve zero slop using the appropriate sleeve on my Titus. Neither sleeved worked for you?
    I only got one...mine's prolly an older one.
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    Is the new 2013 Fox polymer mounting hardware compatible with Elka Stage 5 shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzocchi170 View Post
    Is the new 2013 Fox polymer mounting hardware compatible with Elka Stage 5 shock?
    Don't bother, the Elka hardware is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Don't bother, the Elka hardware is better.

    Isn't the Elka hardware just like the Fox 3 piece hardware?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Isn't the Elka hardware just like the Fox 3 piece hardware?
    Elka use an IGUS bushing already and the ones I have seen fitted had a steel pin. The only place for easy improvement on the Elka hardware is the collars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    Well....I tried them...
    And wish I had listened to the guys above.
    No noticeable difference while riding or moving the suspension through it's stroke with a airless shock.
    I have never had wear issues with the DU bushings on my Lenz ( and I ride in a lot of wet and sweat a lot to the point where the alum spacers get fuzzy)
    Don't know how these will wear long term....
    Mayor...

    What model Lenz are you riding? I just finished up my Lunchbox build and am looking at swapping the DU for an RWC kit but I don't know what size I need.

    Any help you could provide on this would be greatly appreciated!


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    Should these be installed dry or greased? If greased, are there areas that should be greased and areas that should be left dry?

    I assume that the rotation is supposed to be between the black pin and the delrin reducers, and that the black pin should not rotate around the mounting bolt, so any grease should go on the outside of the black pin and the inside of the black pin should be kept dry. Correct?

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    Dry.

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    I need reducers for a marzocchi roco tst shock. Does anyone know if these new fox reducers will work with the roco?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    I need reducers for a marzocchi roco tst shock. Does anyone know if these new fox reducers will work with the roco?
    No reason why they would not work... same dimensions on the eyelets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noosa2 View Post
    I need reducers for a marzocchi roco tst shock. Does anyone know if these new fox reducers will work with the roco?
    The tolerances on the Roco eyelets are usually bigger. Fox hardware may work for you or it may knock badly.
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    What I like about these is they press into the eyelets really easily.

    Here's what's going to suck when I have to take them apart when I want to change springs, send shock for re-valve, change the bushings...etc:

    -The aluminum reducer bits have really tolerances. I'll have to come up with a 'home-depot-like' press to push them out
    -Since the new plastic-or-whatever-you-want-to-call-it bushing has a lip for the rubber o-ring, the traditional tool you would use for a DU bushing won't work. I suppose you could slowly pry them out with a sharp edge of a knife or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Robin View Post
    I suppose you could slowly pry them out with a sharp edge of a knife or something.
    That method worked fine for me.
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    I just bought a set of these and one set had the rubber seals and the other set was missing the two rubber seals.

    Do I just install as-is or go back to the LBS (hour round trip) and get a new set?

    I guess my question is do the little rubber seals really make any difference?


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    ID of the new DU bushing ? same as before .... got some three-piece offset mounting kit i would like to use over, its new

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    I got a set of these for a 2014 CTD Float for my Yeti 575. Works great for the upper eyelet. For the lower one, the stock 575 bushing (steel) is very narrow - and there does not appear to be a new style replacement for it, so had to reuse the lower eyelet bushing from the RP23 that came with the bike.

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    How does the "new type (low friction plastic bushings) of Fox shock mounting hardware" work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marzocchi170 View Post
    How does the "new type (low friction plastic bushings) of Fox shock mounting hardware" work?
    Here's a great article if you have a few minutes:

    To The Point - Bushings - Pinkbike
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    Quote Originally Posted by marzocchi170 View Post
    How does the "new type (low friction plastic bushings) of Fox shock mounting hardware" work?
    The Pinkbike article has some good information but is a little bias and misleading. I am sure I can find articles that are pro DU/DP4 Bushing for this type of application. I've been using the new hardware since it was released. It performs as advertised. Mine made a lot of noise for the first few hundred miles. From what I have experienced, it seems Fox created the problem by providing the OE shocks with those "Hat Style" reducers. Now they release this system as the cat meow. Prior to using the new Fox system, I had Rock Shox 3-Piece reducers that perform just as good.

    I say do some research before laying down the cash, there are a lot of good solutions if those "Hat Style" reducers are giving you substandard performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    The Pinkbike article has some good information but is a little bias and misleading. I am sure I can find articles that are pro DU/DP4 Bushing for this type of application. I've been using the new hardware since it was released. It performs as advertised. Mine made a lot of noise for the first few hundred miles. From what I have experienced, it seems Fox created the problem by providing the OE shocks with those "Hat Style" reducers. Now they release this system as the cat meow. Prior to using the new Fox system, I had Rock Shox 3-Piece reducers that perform just as good.

    I say do some research before laying down the cash, there are a lot of good solutions if those "Hat Style" reducers are giving you substandard performance.

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    The positives of the DU/DP bushing is they are the most economical replacement bushing. That's about it.
    I've lost track of just how many years I've been using IGUS in shock pivots. But my main Turner was built in 2001 and all pivots are original. My 97 FSR Elite also had all original pivots.

    To get good life with a composite bushing like the IGUS items the tolerances need to be good and the wear surface needs to be hard, smooth and not have a join right in the middle.
    But not surprisingly, with hard, smooth and properly toleranced hardware a DU/DP bushing will also last a surprisingly long time.
    The 2 piece fox press-fit reducers are pox.

    Shock eyelet tolerances vary enough not only between brands, but within brands and even on different ends of the same shock, that I have 3 tolerances ready to go and have made custom toleranced hardware in 4 more toleranced steps. That's 7 grades total for shock eyelets that all take the same size bushing. But to be fair, one brand of shock normally only spans four tolerance grades.

    Unfortunately, there is no one-size-fits-all solution. To get the best in wear life and performance your hardware needs custom fitted to the shock.
    The back story that Fox aren't marketing is: For their new shock hardware to be working, their tolerances will have to be 4 times tighter than they used to be.

    Get the tolerance wrong (too tight) and you'll get lots of friction, poor small bump response, short bushing life and even noise.
    Get the tolerance wrong (too loose) and you'll get a knock/clunk and poor bushing life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    The positives of the DU/DP bushing is they are the most economical replacement bushing. That's about it.
    I've lost track of just how many years I've been using IGUS in shock pivots. But my main Turner was built in 2001 and all pivots are original. My 97 FSR Elite also had all original pivots.

    To get good life with a composite bushing like the IGUS items the tolerances need to be good and the wear surface needs to be hard, smooth and not have a join right in the middle.
    But not surprisingly, with hard, smooth and properly toleranced hardware a DU/DP bushing will also last a surprisingly long time.
    The 2 piece fox press-fit reducers are pox.

    Shock eyelet tolerances vary enough not only between brands, but within brands and even on different ends of the same shock, that I have 3 tolerances ready to go and have made custom toleranced hardware in 4 more toleranced steps. That's 7 grades total for shock eyelets that all take the same size bushing. But to be fair, one brand of shock normally only spans four tolerance grades.

    Unfortunately, there is no one-size-fits-all solution. To get the best in wear life and performance your hardware needs custom fitted to the shock.
    The back story that Fox aren't marketing is: For their new shock hardware to be working, their tolerances will have to be 4 times tighter than they used to be.

    Get the tolerance wrong (too tight) and you'll get lots of friction, poor small bump response, short bushing life and even noise.
    Get the tolerance wrong (too loose) and you'll get a knock/clunk and poor bushing life.

    Here are the technical requirements:

    Igus:
    Eyelet Bore .5934-.5941
    Installed ID .5003-.5030
    Shaft .4980-.4990

    GGB DU/DP4
    Eyelet Bore .5934-.5941
    Installed ID .4992-.5019
    Shaft .4980-.4990

    I find it extremely hard to believe that Fox, Rock Shox and other shock manufactures have trouble hitting a .0007" tolerance band. If they have trouble meeting that tolerance then I would be really concerned about the crown/steer tube press fit interface on their forks.

    The problem with the DU/DP4 Bushings has a root cause of Fox using those lame Hat Style reducers. Prior to Fox's New System, I would immediately remove the crappy reducers and replace them with the Rock Shox or Marzocchi reducers. As for your comment about DU/DP4 Bushings.......it's just that an opinion.

    I had a 2000 GF Sugar which used Igus bushings at the pivot points. It wore really well.....squeaked a lot but nothing some lube couldn't solve. If you read in the Turner forum, they have the squeak problem and other tolerance issues. Turner always takes care of them with pins and bushings.......but not system is immune from problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    Here are the technical requirements:

    Igus:
    Eyelet Bore .5934-.5941
    Installed ID .5003-.5030
    Shaft .4980-.4990

    GGB DU/DP4
    Eyelet Bore .5934-.5941
    Installed ID .4992-.5019
    Shaft .4980-.4990
    Yeah those tolerances don't work for shock hardware. Mainly because the eyelet bore doesn't match on the vast majority of shocks.
    When the eyelet bore doesn't match, all other dimensions need re-engineered to suit. The fit tolerances between shaft and bush aren't that suitable either. You can be within that tolerance and still have enough play to feel the knock.

    The main problem is, the tolerances from the manufacturers above are not for this application. Our needs are specific enough that the tolerances need to be very specific.

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    I find it extremely hard to believe that Fox, Rock Shox and other shock manufactures have trouble hitting a .0007" tolerance band. If they have trouble meeting that tolerance then I would be really concerned about the crown/steer tube press fit interface on their forks.
    Measure half a dozen up and see for yourself. I've got more than that variation between each end of the same shocks in my own personal collection.
    How many different factories, sub-contractors, tools and people do you think are involved in boring eyelets for FOX or any other shock maker? X-fusion might be the only one that does it all in-house.
    The anodising after machining by itself widens the tolerances.

    Crown/steerers they are probably a bit more serious about getting right. Nothing like a scary creaking noise to lose a customer, but shock hardware is something most customers don't even know exists.

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    The problem with the DU/DP4 Bushings has a root cause of Fox using those lame Hat Style reducers. Prior to Fox's New System, I would immediately remove the crappy reducers and replace them with the Rock Shox or Marzocchi reducers. As for your comment about DU/DP4 Bushings.......it's just that an opinion.
    It's only my opinion that DU/DP is the most economical bushing?

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    I had a 2000 GF Sugar which used Igus bushings at the pivot points. It wore really well.....squeaked a lot but nothing some lube couldn't solve. If you read in the Turner forum, they have the squeak problem and other tolerance issues. Turner always takes care of them with pins and bushings.......but not system is immune from problems.
    Yes the DW link turners are having issues. Likely because the short links attached to a long swingarm lever need a lot more preload on the bushings to stop play being felt. Those ones have a lot of friction.
    I ride the old-school horst link ones and they are smooth and free enough for gravity to drop the back end with no shock or wheel installed. The 5-spot factory protype which has been my main bike since 2003 and a horst link 6-pack which mostly decorates my workshop. I think the previous owner of the 6 pack sold it because they thought the bushings were flogged. But the bushings were fine. The pivot bolts were loose. Easy fix.

    Turners use grease ports and every year or two I clean and regrease the back end.
    Specialized run them dry, but with more of an interference fit than I personally like. I have modified the bushing fit on my 97 FSR Elite to give much less friction in the rear suspension. With my own IGUS eyelet hardware it's also now free enough for the back end to move under it's own weight like the Turners. With the stock bushing fit and original fox 2 piece hardware there was no small bump response.

    If they squeak or creak they are likely dirty. I found early on with the 97 Ground Control Aim I owned that a clean and polish of the bushings and shafts would keep it silent. Any dust/dirt that got carried in by water between the bushing and shaft would make it creak with every pedal stroke. But it took a seriously wet ride to do that. It only happened twice in the 3 years and 7,000km I had that bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    New hardware is for all Fox shocks and other shocks that use the 1/2" DU Bushing. Call them directly to order or go to your LBS
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    Will this work on the newer Rockshox Monarch XX shocks? Video at Jensonusa.com makes this look completely simple.
    Fox Shox Polymer Du Bushing Reducer Kit > Components > Rear Shocks > Mounting Hardware | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop

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    Quote Originally Posted by epiphreddy View Post
    Will this work on the newer Rockshox Monarch XX shocks? Video at Jensonusa.com makes this look completely simple.
    Fox Shox Polymer Du Bushing Reducer Kit > Components > Rear Shocks > Mounting Hardware | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop
    All the RS shocks that have come to me have tolerances very different to fox shocks. The RS are generally undersize, the FOX are almost all oversize. While both are supposed to take half inch pins; a pin that works well in a RS shock will knock in a fox shock and the fox pin will be oversize to the point it probably won't even press into the RS eyelet.
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    I have a Niner Jet RDO with shock mounting hardware of 21.84 x M6. I have a Rockshox Monarch XX shock I would like to install. Where do I find the proper hardware? Is it sold online or does this have to be purchased from an authorized Rockshox dealer?

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    Hi and for a 2015 Manitou Revox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Setra View Post
    Hi and for a 2015 Manitou Revox?
    Fox hardware should fit and work.
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