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    Can it be moved to a fairly locked out feel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakeg1999 View Post
    Can it be moved to a fairly locked out feel?
    Yes. It gives slightly more low speed compression support than a fox pro-pedal shock. It also adds in low speed rebound, so it feels better controlled on the trail.
    It is not a full rigid lock out if that's what you wanted.

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    That's good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    The climb switch on the Inline activates a ramped valve in the shock controlling both slow speed compression and rebound. You can adjust the level of support based on how far you move the climb switch. This is handy for climbing technical terrain where you want just a little extra support with out being fully locked out. I use the half way position all the time paired with the trail mode on my fork.
    thanks thats pretty sweet. really excited about this shock

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    For those that have purchased the recent Inline from Jenson, have those ones been having similar issues as posted in this thread? Or have the new internals solved those issues?

    I am waiting for one to ship, but just noticed this thread and am a little leery of starting a warranty debacle.

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    My Jenson one had the new internals. I pulled it apart to check. 300 miles and no issues so far.
    Keeping my fox as a backup so I can always ride.

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    Cool thanks! Ya it was your talk in the TB3 thread that got me excited about the shock.

    Probably worth it for me to use it I reckon (with the Fox as backup). Think it is worth it to take apart and verify new parts? Is that easy?

    Also, you mentioned in the TB3 thread that the needle bearing upgrade is only needed on the lower bolt - did you use the Fox hardware on the other end or would I need to buy CC hardware for that end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    My Jenson one had the new internals. I pulled it apart to check. 300 miles and no issues so far.
    Keeping my fox as a backup so I can always ride.
    How do you check if it has the new internals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil_240 View Post
    How do you check if it has the new internals?

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    The easiest and risk free way would be to call/email cane creek and give them the serial number off the shock. Jenson isn't doing the updates on their own, CC would have to know. As finicky as these shocks are the last thing I would want to do is crack it open and try to figure it out myself. We all have to face the fact we bought a non-user serviceable shock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alex-henson View Post
    Cool thanks! Ya it was your talk in the TB3 thread that got me excited about the shock.

    Probably worth it for me to use it I reckon (with the Fox as backup). Think it is worth it to take apart and verify new parts? Is that easy?

    Also, you mentioned in the TB3 thread that the needle bearing upgrade is only needed on the lower bolt - did you use the Fox hardware on the other end or would I need to buy CC hardware for that end?
    It uses the same hardware as the fox shock.

    Quote Originally Posted by neil_240 View Post
    How do you check if it has the new internals?

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    You need a strap wrench to take off the air can so you can add spacers. I simply used the same strap wrench to undo the inner air can too. push it down over the inner seal and you can see the seal head. Mine was the new color, so I put it back together. If you're ordering a 184x44, than 99% sure its got the new internals as they ran out out of the old parts months ago..
    I will service my shock when if it fails after a year. I rebuild fit dampers and service rear fox shocks including the nitrogen champers. I like to tinker with this stuff, but CC makes it hard not offering any parts for the inlines.

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    Holy crap I can't believe people are still spending their hard earned money on CC shocks. In less than 3 seasons I've been through 3 DB inlines and am now on my second DB Air CS that CC 'upgraded' me to for $150 extra. I'm just waiting for this one to fail, at which point I'll be back to contacting CC customer service for another replacement. Although when his happens, the replacement will go straight to eBay and I'll be getting a Fox.

    This shock is great when it works but this thread should be enough for anyone to know what they're getting themselves into. My original CC Inline came on my sweet new bike - I didn't know any different. It was only after the fact that I learned how 'awesome' and 'tunable' these CC shocks were. Well that's all great on paper but when they can't stand up to the abuse of an almost 40 yr old guy with 2 kids that rides twice a week if I'm lucky for a pretty short season (Montana), and it's a shock that no LBS can service, forget it. I'm out. Good luck if you opt to go this route.

    Sorry CC, I've given you every benefit of the doubt. I've bitten my tongue for as long as I can. I wanted to believe in this product but clearly you have some further R&D before these shocks are ready for production. I'm tired of being a product tester that is paying to test your products.


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    I didn't see this thread prior to purchase. And came to ask after I saw it. Did you have a new inline with new internals that failed also?

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    Curious what bike and shock size is it?




    Quote Originally Posted by Edwards151 View Post
    Holy crap I can't believe people are still spending their hard earned money on CC shocks. In less than 3 seasons I've been through 3 DB inlines and am now on my second DB Air CS that CC 'upgraded' me to for $150 extra. I'm just waiting for this one to fail, at which point I'll be back to contacting CC customer service for another replacement. Although when his happens, the replacement will go straight to eBay and I'll be getting a Fox.

    This shock is great when it works but this thread should be enough for anyone to know what they're getting themselves into. My original CC Inline came on my sweet new bike - I didn't know any different. It was only after the fact that I learned how 'awesome' and 'tunable' these CC shocks were. Well that's all great on paper but when they can't stand up to the abuse of an almost 40 yr old guy with 2 kids that rides twice a week if I'm lucky for a pretty short season (Montana), and it's a shock that no LBS can service, forget it. I'm out. Good luck if you opt to go this route.

    Sorry CC, I've given you every benefit of the doubt. I've bitten my tongue for as long as I can. I wanted to believe in this product but clearly you have some further R&D before these shocks are ready for production. I'm tired of being a product tester that is paying to test your products.


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    Ibis Mojo HDR. Not sure if my last DB Inline had the new internals. It was June of 2016 that CC swapped it for a DB Air CS which was supposed to be a 'burlier' (CC's words) shock cause apparently I needed that...lol. I rode that shock basically July and August. Then it was on a spring trip this year, less than 50hrs on the new shock, that the thing was stuck partway down. Of course none of the local shops in Fruita could fix it so I was stuck riding a defective shock that kinda worked or shell out for something new. I'm riding the replacement DB Air now and yes, it's buttery smooth, but for how long.


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    Having a yoke is the issue on your bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POAH View Post
    Having a yoke is the issue on your bike.
    Pretty sure he has a 26" wheeled HDR which has no Yoke.

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    Running it 650b. I don't know what a yoke is. CC seems to have no problem spec-ing their shocks on this bike. Custom tunes and all. I'm no engineer and seems that I shouldn't have to be to select a shock for my bike that the manufactures say will fit and work.


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    Just googled yoke. Pretty sure my frame doesn't have one


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwards151 View Post
    Holy crap I can't believe people are still spending their hard earned money on CC shocks. In less than 3 seasons I've been through 3 DB inlines and am now on my second DB Air CS that CC 'upgraded' me to for $150 extra. I'm just waiting for this one to fail, at which point I'll be back to contacting CC customer service for another replacement. Although when his happens, the replacement will go straight to eBay and I'll be getting a Fox.

    This shock is great when it works but this thread should be enough for anyone to know what they're getting themselves into. My original CC Inline came on my sweet new bike - I didn't know any different. It was only after the fact that I learned how 'awesome' and 'tunable' these CC shocks were. Well that's all great on paper but when they can't stand up to the abuse of an almost 40 yr old guy with 2 kids that rides twice a week if I'm lucky for a pretty short season (Montana), and it's a shock that no LBS can service, forget it. I'm out. Good luck if you opt to go this route.

    Sorry CC, I've given you every benefit of the doubt. I've bitten my tongue for as long as I can. I wanted to believe in this product but clearly you have some further R&D before these shocks are ready for production. I'm tired of being a product tester that is paying to test your products.


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    Quoted because I have a similar history with Cane Creek shocks. My opinion is that CC uses the customers for durability testing, and doesn't use proper QC during manufacture.

    Notice how CC stuff is on clearance sales everywhere? That's what happens when you sell overhyped, overpriced, under designed products. Their designs have tons of potential, but aren't developed enough for reliable use by regular customers.

    Keep a spare shock..

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    Mine is about 6 months old and I added a volume space. Now it makes a louder and harsher sound. When I opened it up a few CCs of oil leaked out.

    Are either of these a problem?

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    Hey guys totally different experience bought an Specialized Enduro last year with an Inline Double Barrel at first I had my reservations because I've only ever had bikes with Rockshox and Fox suspensions but then I started riding and was pretty impressed but fast forward a year later and I started having problems shock was making loud noises was losing pressure didn't really know what it was but I called Cane Creek because my Warranty was about to run out to see if they can fix it and they told me that maybe it needs to be serviced that they don't know they'll have to look at it. . So I sent shock to them and let me tell you it was a nightmare first i had to pay for my own shipping they totally were giving me the run around I had to call and email them several because they wouldn't respond to me. They said they would tell me when it arrives and didn't tell me to a week later their customer service is horrible poor communication then they tell me that their was nothing really wrong and that they serviced it and rebuilt it and that I need to give payment of over $100 for the service and rebuild and pay for shipping too before they can send it back to me. So basically they didn't give me an option they serviced it and basically held my shock hostage till i sent payment to them. I'm more angry they didn't even give me an option maybe I didn't want it fixed or maybe i wanted to do something else as far as I'm concerned they could have been something seriously wrong with it but they will never admit to it that means they will have to honor their warranty Hmm....? In the future my fellow Mountain Bikers stick with RockShox or Fox Suspensions easier to service and maintain If you buy any Cane creek suspension there is no where to fix it but through them and they will make you pay their warranty system is a joke.

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    You expected warranty work after 1 year of use? You do know that they require service yearly right?

    Don't expect free work if the shock has been used and abused normally and needs periodical, paid, service.

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    The fact that service needs to be paid and is needed quite often is something that many owners are not aware of, especially when the shock comes with a bike.

    The DB Inline manual calls for service every 100 hours of riding or twice a year. My experience is also that the shock will develop issues if not serviced regularly, but I am holding my breath now since the upgrade with more reliable parts. I easily ride 200 hours per season, if the Cane Creek won't survive that, I will change to Rock Shocks. They also recommend some service to be performed every 100 hours, but it can be done by my local bike shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-ninth View Post
    The fact that service needs to be paid and is needed quite often is something that many owners are not aware of, especially when the shock comes with a bike.

    The DB Inline manual calls for service every 100 hours of riding or twice a year. My experience is also that the shock will develop issues if not serviced regularly, but I am holding my breath now since the upgrade with more reliable parts. I easily ride 200 hours per season, if the Cane Creek won't survive that, I will change to Rock Shocks. They also recommend some service to be performed every 100 hours, but it can be done by my local bike shop.
    Agreed. I had a DB Inline on my previous bike for two years. One service for an early issue from one of the first batches, then one more service as it was making a squeaking sound (worked fine, just annoying). As a comparison, the Fox shocks will usually continue to work without a service, but they simply perform really poorly. Some may perceive the fact that they are still working as needing less service, but it depend on what you call working (working well or just working)

    I will take that over the Fox Float RP3, RP23, CTD ... Similarly, my new bike came with the RS Monarch Plus RC3 Debonair and although it seemed to have a slightly bigger sweet spot as compared to the older Monarch Plus (pre Debonair), it still seemed to lack as compared to the DB Inline.

    I changed out the Debonair for the new CC DB [IL] and so far have been very happy with it. Seemed to be a little more active than the Debonair (could be setup), but from what I remember on the DB Inline, it never felt that active or poppy, just controlled.

    I either leave the climb switch open of perhaps up to 1/3 on. I found that by being able to tune in both low and high compression / rebound, you can get the ride / feel that you like from the shock. Never got that from the various Fox or RS products.

    That said I have never tried the Float X2, but is sounds like it would be very nice and has all the adjustments to really fine tune the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    Mine is about 6 months old and I added a volume space. Now it makes a louder and harsher sound. When I opened it up a few CCs of oil leaked out.

    Are either of these a problem?
    I noticed that HSC does not seem to do anything. Same travel used on a test loop if set up with no HSC or full HSC. I can't say it feels any different either. This may explain why it seems i am using more travel than before.

    Edit: Called and got through with someone. Sounds like it might be one of the bad lot that went to Jenson late last year. Sending it in with likely Waranty rebuild.

    I may still get a Topaz, those are very user serviceable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex-henson View Post
    For those that have purchased the recent Inline from Jenson, have those ones been having similar issues as posted in this thread? Or have the new internals solved those issues?

    I am waiting for one to ship, but just noticed this thread and am a little leery of starting a warranty debacle.
    No issues here on a Bucksaw.

    ..and the performance has been outstanding. I did find that I needed to add both of the volume spacers to the air can and that HSC needs adequate LSC to be effective. the two circuits still effect one another. It maintains a plush and smooth feel even at higher settings.

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    Ok I've just taken a chance on the Jenson sale ones at $199. Hopefully theres a whole batch there with the upgraded internals.

    Whats folks experience like with the blue seal/upgraded internal CC shock?

    All forks and shocks have issues. I'm an ex-Mazzocchi customer

    Apart from the X2 shocks - are any of Fox's any good?!!! For me they preform 'ok' but not stunning. Any of them.

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    Also..... is there a set up guide for dummies?

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    yes its called read the set up guide lol

    set sag to 25% then before you hit the trail set the LSR using the curb method, then set the LSC by pedalling standing up to remove some of the bob. Then hit the trail and adjust using the app. You may have to adjust air pressure or add volume reducers. don't worry too much about HSR as that's only going to affect the shock in the last bit of travel.

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    I think I'm going to be too heavy for this shock? I'm 230lb. Erm probably best to call up and cancel the order when they open

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horacek View Post
    I think I'm going to be too heavy for this shock? I'm 230lb. Erm probably best to call up and cancel the order when they open
    I'm 215 geared up, the cc shocks work good for me, while they work. Longevity is the problem, but I don't think it's any worse for us bigger guys.. at $200, I don't think it's a bad deal, just be ready to send it off for repair/service at least once a year..

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    My Jenson one had the new internals. I pulled it apart to check. 300 miles and no issues so far.
    Keeping my fox as a backup so I can always ride.
    Just got my new CC DB inline and going to install it tomorrow. Can you tell me what settings that you like for the TB3? Their website doesn't have a tune for the TB3 that I can find. I did find for Intense spider 29 so might try that absent any info that you can provide.

    I also recall that someone said their Enduro needle bearings wouldn't fit in the CC...have you or anyone else tried that? I'd like to use the enduro bearings from my Fox shock if possible. Thanks.

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    My Cane Creek DB Inline experience...

    My needle bearings fit just fine. After a couple rides one of them settled in a bit and I was able to slip in one size larger sleeve. Here are my settings that I came up with, with a shockwiz. Which I got close but could use some more fine tuning before I moved onto tuning the fork.

    HSC-0
    LSC-0
    HSR-1
    LSR-8

    170 Psi and I weight 172lbs out of the shower. The shock aside from the swooshing air sound when I hit slow seated bumps (I've come to enjoy as I know it's working), is very noticeably better than my Fox DPS. However I did not get the opportunity yet to tune the Fox with a Shockwiz.

    I will also add that this is while riding fairly tasty and very chunky long rock gardens.
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    Tallboy 3 195lb kitted up. I like to leave a little extra travel for big hits. tuned with shockwiz and usually end the ride with 95% travel used.
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    Air Pressure 185 PSI Fox Pump
    Compression Ratio 2.9 ShockWiz
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    HSR 2 Turns from Open 0-4.5
    LSC 4 Clicks from Open 0-18
    HSC 1.5 Turns from Open 0-4.5

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    Thank you both, Just installed. I'll experiment with the settings. I too installed the enduro needle bearing on the lower mount. Can't wait to get on the trail tomorrow.

    Alex, reading another post of yours it sounds like you're a fan of the Nobby Nic...is that the 2.6 you run on the front? I've used NN's over the years on various bikes and currently have a 2.25 on the rear of my TB3 along with 2.3 DHF up front. May go with NN 2.35 up front when the DHF is done as the DHF is slow....

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    Looking for some help:
    I just got an DB[IL] on a new Zerdoe Taniwha. 210 miles in 2 weeks. I used a ShockWiz to assist with set-up.

    1. It appears the climb switch is not providing as much ďplatformĒ as it initially was. I have not yet re-attached the shockwiz during riding to provide empirical evidence, but from a visual standpoint I see more shaft movement when pedaling and it does not feel as supportive as it was when brand new.
    2. Itís not clear to me from the Cane Creek website whether the CS is on/off OR meant to provide a varying amount of low speed damping depending on engagement of the switch. The CS shock literature seems to imply on/off but the OPT switch literature implies that itís tunable.
    3. Does adjustment of LSC and LSR effect the shock when the climb switch is engaged or disengaged or both? I donít see this defined in the literature. If itís while the CS is engaged or both, I could see dialing in more support and possibly what I am seeing in item 1 is maybe related to shock break-in???
    4. I recal'd the shockwiz last night and compression ration went from a 2.6 to a 2.4... Anyone know why this would have occurred?

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    the CS is infinitely adjustable between off and on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POAH View Post
    the CS is infinitely adjustable between off and on.
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by laksboy View Post
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    3. Does adjustment of LSC and LSR effect the shock when the climb switch is engaged or disengaged or both? I donít see this defined in the literature. If itís while the CS is engaged or both, I could see dialing in more support and possibly what I am seeing in item 1 is maybe related to shock break-in?
    The LSC and LSR adjusters have effect with the climb switch disengaged. With the climb switch fully engaged the regular LSC and LSR circuit is closed off and all oil flow goes through 2 fixed holes to provide a higher level of damping.

    Shock break-in sounds plausible for the increased bob.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyvG View Post
    The LSC and LSR adjusters have effect with the climb switch disengaged. With the climb switch fully engaged the regular LSC and LSR circuit is closed off and all oil flow goes through 2 fixed holes to provide a higher level of damping.

    Shock break-in sounds plausible for the increased bob.



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    So if I'm not happy with the extra level of support from the CS engaged now that the shock has broken in, I'm outta luck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laksboy View Post
    1. It appears the climb switch is not providing as much ďplatformĒ as it initially was. I have not yet re-attached the shockwiz during riding to provide empirical evidence, but from a visual standpoint I see more shaft movement when pedaling and it does not feel as supportive as it was when brand new.
    Is the shock noisier? It could be the oil has started to foam. This makes it slightly compressible which gives a less firm lockout.

    Quote Originally Posted by laksboy View Post
    2. Itís not clear to me from the Cane Creek website whether the CS is on/off OR meant to provide a varying amount of low speed damping depending on engagement of the switch. The CS shock literature seems to imply on/off but the OPT switch literature implies that itís tunable.
    3. Does adjustment of LSC and LSR effect the shock when the climb switch is engaged or disengaged or both? I donít see this defined in the literature. If itís while the CS is engaged or both, I could see dialing in more support and possibly what I am seeing in item 1 is maybe related to shock break-in???
    4. I recal'd the shockwiz last night and compression ration went from a 2.6 to a 2.4... Anyone know why this would have occurred?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laksboy View Post
    So if I'm not happy with the extra level of support from the CS engaged now that the shock has broken in, I'm outta luck?
    They have different cs tunes available for OEM, maybe they can install it for you at a certain cost...
    The standard tune is in the middle of the range. But you shouldn't expect a lockout like with RS or fox just added damping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyvG View Post
    They have different cs tunes available for OEM, maybe they can install it for you at a certain cost...
    The standard tune is in the middle of the range. But you shouldn't expect a lockout like with RS or fox just added damping.

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    The CS puts reliance on the HSC and HSR adjusters. More HSR and HSC will give you more effect with the CS on.

    But if your oil is foamed, then it's going to be spongey no matter what. A service and bleed is the only cure.
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    I had my DBInline "upgraded" to the new spec under warranty. It's performed reasonably well, although the climb function doesn't seem nearly as effective as it was earlier--I'll play with settings. I have noticed much more oil deposited on the shock shaft than I'd expect, but it's remained consistent since the rebuild. I'll get it serviced in the fall, although I wish I didn't have to send it in every time.

    The next time I'm in the market for a similar shock, I'll be looking for feedback on the new DVO Opal; it's my understanding that they make a good product, and servicing is more friendly.

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    My shock started loosing air in middle of big summer ride. Ended up nearly flat for most of downhill ~ 7 miles. Now trying to get CC to warranty @ < 1year via email, but seems it is going to be a battle to make amends. It has been over a week and still no contact.
    I am ok with sharing some $$ but clearly in warranty...what would you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommybees View Post
    My shock started loosing air in middle of big summer ride. Ended up nearly flat for most of downhill ~ 7 miles. Now trying to get CC to warranty @ < 1year via email, but seems it is going to be a battle to make amends. It has been over a week and still no contact.
    I am ok with sharing some $$ but clearly in warranty...what would you do?
    Call them while you are busy with something interupable. You will pr Banks wait on hold for 15-20 minutes, but then should get a person who will sort it all out.

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    CC DB Inline Compression Chirp

    Hi,
    My DB Inline has developed the "compression chirp." What is the cause? What has to be done to correct it? Does it's condition effect it's performance? Can the bike be ridden? I've emailed CC & posted on their Lounge without response.
    Thanks

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    Thinking of buying one of these for a FS build but the factory cost is $160 for a rebuild every 100 hours of riding.

    Am I reading this correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schulze View Post
    Thinking of buying one of these for a FS build but the factory cost is $160 for a rebuild every 100 hours of riding.

    Am I reading this correctly?
    Yup. Sold mine and ride a DVO Topaz. I can rebuild it with common tools and $30 in parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SettiT View Post
    Hi,
    My DB Inline has developed the "compression chirp." What is the cause? What has to be done to correct it? Does it's condition effect it's performance? Can the bike be ridden? I've emailed CC & posted on their Lounge without response.
    Thanks
    My thoughts are air bubbles in the oil. They should go quieter with a service and bleed.

    Has the climb mode gone a bit softer?
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    Yikes. Thanks for the reply. Will avoid.

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