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    MRP Stage Suspension Fork

    So...

    I ordered a new Stage from the used-to-be-licensed White Brothers, now MRP. First off, I like the new graphics. Which is important.

    Stage ? MRP

    The fork is a few weeks out but I learned some info that I thought people would be interested in.

    Spring
    MRP is using air spring tech from the old Englund Total Air stuff, which they own. The utilize an additional air reservoir to tune the feel of the spring. I remember installing the Englund stuff in Judys back in the 1990s and it was amazing stuff back then. That's good.

    Damper
    They moved most of the existing Loop tech over into the new 34mm platform. The Loops that I've been on and serviced have been pretty straight-forward and easy to deal with. I'm not sure I've felt the 'eliminating the possibility of spiking' but I'm excited to check it out.

    I SPECIFICALLY asked about the Pike, of course, as well as mid-stroke support. My daily-driver is a 275 Revelation RCT3, which I think is a really great fork. My damper is usually run open or in the trail position with the LSC backed all the way out. I find the transition from those two settings too steep. The 'low' LSC setting is just too spiky. Not a big deal on most of my local trails but not ideal for back-country sketch and high-speed stuff. I understand that the mid-stroke support is outstanding, allowing me to run the spring soft, like I like, but without the anti-dive of the RCT3 LSC. That is good and will mean the world to me when things get nutty, which they do in Harrisonburg, Fredneck, Snowshoe and Mtn Creek. I'm a one-bike guy.

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    It's black.

    Travel
    140-170 internal, lowers-dropping adjustable.

    I should see the fork in 2-3 weeks and will report back after a first ride if I don't forget.

    It was a really big deal for me to not buy a Pike so I'm putting a lot of pressure on this fork to perform. I've sold a few Pikes in the last few weeks. This MAY be the new 140-160mm standard. MRP sure thinks so, and that's a good sign to start.

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    UPDATE

    Fork came in yesterday with dyno sign-off card. A 4"x5" card accompanied the fork which has all of the adjustments, ranges and descriptions of each on it. I'm a stickler for technical writing and I would say that this is some of the best. Clear, easy to understand and well laid out. Very well done.

    The fork feels amazing. It is damn-near stiction free. The first centimeter of travel requires about 2 lbs of force. It's so supple off the top it's scary. The ramp control has a huge affect on the bottom half of the stroke. One click doesn't make a huge difference but two does. There are 16 total. It says so right on my card!

    The compression damper set to max breaks away with no spiking. It's hard to believe. It's not what I'm used to at all with Fox or RockShox 'lockouts.' It's more likely to sag into the travel when tooling around. And it doesn't really keep you at the top of the stroke like others. That's hardly something that I care about on a fork but thought I would mention it. I buy a fork for the scary parts of riding, not the sections that require a lockout.

    Now that the Ramp Control allows you to essentially change the size of your air spring chamber, and therefore the spring rate (kinda), I see the useful nature of this adjustment. Instead of a set-and-forget air volume adjustment, you can really change how the fork feels on big hits while keeping the fork supple for the chatter.

    Rebound is rebound. It works. It gets way too slow for most so you know it works. It gets really fast when you back it out so there you go.

    I just rode a Pike on Sunday and really enjoyed it. It's really a great fork and I think the Stage may be just as good in terms of suppleness, stiffness and quality of travel. If that is the case (riding this weekend to test), then I would say that MRP has really pulled a rabbit out of their hat. For some, the Ramp Control will be a better adjustment than the bottomless tokens on the Pike. Same goes for the compression damper.

    I'm really happy with it out of the box. For comparison, I have a Fox 40, BoXXer WC, 36, 34, 32, Pike, Revelation and Lyrik in the shop right now. Most are new-ish and all have been serviced in the past few weeks and the Stage feels as good as any of them and better than most.

    So yeah. Wow.

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    Interesting that the 29in versions tops out at 150mm instead of the originally mooted 170mm, as 'fun' as a 170mm single crown 29er fork would be I'm glad MRP saw sense there!

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    Yeah, I'm not sure of all the different assemblies they have for the various forks. I know my 275 fork can rock out at 170mm, which is nice.

    29@150 is good but 160 would be more better. I know their aren't many 29 160mm bikes out there but the Enduro sure is a good one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbildr View Post
    The compression damper set to max...more likely to sag into the travel when tooling around. And it doesn't really keep you at the top of the stroke like others.
    if it's like the Loop damper, there should be a "Trim" adjustment under a plastic cap in the center of the compression lever...this allows you to increase the platform as much as you like.
    whatever...

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    Would love to see the charts they sent you if you can post them up!

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    Here's the owner's manual: http://static.squarespace.com/static...rint_draft.pdf

    I just showed the card to some customers and misplaced it. Let me track it down and I'll post a pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailbildr View Post
    I know their aren't many 29 160mm bikes out there but the Enduro sure is a good one!
    I think there needs to be a change in design before 160mm 29er forks get anywhere. I mean if people want to ride single crown, 15mm axle forks that are taller than a set of Boxxers then go ahead, I'll be at the bottom with a video camera...

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    I'm having a custom hard tail 29er built right now with a MRP 120mm Loop on it. They guy building it talked me into it and said he is such a fan of the MRP fork that if I rode it for 2-3 months and didn't like it he would buy it back from me. Putting your money where your mouth is is a pretty good endorsement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    I think there needs to be a change in design before 160mm 29er forks get anywhere. I mean if people want to ride single crown, 15mm axle forks that are taller than a set of Boxxers then go ahead, I'll be at the bottom with a video camera...
    1.5 steerers are a big part of it. Fore-aft flex is the biggest issue on these, but the tapered steerer makes some big inroads.
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    Hi Guys,

    Just a comment on a point in the middle there somewhere - the Stage 29 was never targeted at 170. The Stage 27.5 does go to that travel. The 29er has always been a max travel of 150, from initial planning to production.

    Oh, and Steadtite - there is no trim adjustment on this version of damper. It's similar to the earlier Loop model "Aura" damper, but not identical. This is also true of the new MRP Loop Trail models, which share the new damper format (as well as ramp control) with the Stage model.

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    I rode the Pike again last night (160mm on the Enduro 29) and it's a great fork. The damper settings aren't as discreet as I like but there's very little spike on that damper.

    Due to a variety of self-inflicted issues (smashed thumb, frame swap) I still haven't ridden the Stage officially. Maiden voyage will be next week. Likely Monday after close.

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    FINALLY got out on my first ride last night. Ended up throwing all my parts on a 2015 Stump FSR Evo Carbon 650b/275 frame for no reason.

    I'll post up the long version but here's the TLDR version: wow.

    If it's not the best fork I've ever ridden, it's as good as the best.

    More to come.

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    MRP Stage - Fork Ride Impressions
    Over the past two years, I have spent a ton of time on Revelation, SiD, BoXXer, Lyrik, Totem, TALAS 32, Float 32 and 36 forks. Eric from MRP told me that their goal for the Stage was a Pike-killer. Everyone agrees that the Pike is one of the best forks ever made if not *the* best. Just the assertion that this fork could be better piqued my interest enough to order one. (MSRP $965)

    Some background. MRP has been producing forks as White Brothers for a few years now. The Stage represents their first MRP-branded model. It's designed to be an all mountain/enduro fork for 26, 275 and 29 with travel from 130mm up to 170mm (26/275, 150mm for 29r). Stage ? MRP

    Two weeks later, after hand-assembly and dyno-testing in Grand Junction, my fork arrived. It felt amazing just leaning on it. I mounted it up and took it for a spin on my favorite local trails. I was able to carry more speed with more confidence with less wincing than ever before. I've never been called a 'cautious descender' before. I'll throw myself off of almost anything without looking so the fact that this makes me feel more confident is special. And that's about the highest compliment I can give a product.

    The damper ended up three clicks off of full-compression and produced a slight 'Shatner-in-Airplane II-door-opening' noise. I found it odd that I could hear the noise but couldn't feel it it in my hands. I'm very used to the spikey nature of the RCT3 damper on my Revelation. I can honestly say that I can feel no spike on the compression circuit. That's what MRP told me and they are not kidding. I'm running the rebound three clicks from full-fast. No top-out noise and complete control.

    The air spring loads from the bottom of the fork. There is a bleed port on top of the fork. Odd, but who cares? I work on suspension so I'm used to Lefty's as well as older RockShox Dual Air forks so that downward-facing valve didn't bother me. I was excited to check out the ramp control. MRP owns Englund Air and if you are old, you'll remember those cartridges as the #1 upgrade for the original RockShox Judy forks. They worked well back then and work great now. The Ramp Control changes the last 40% of the stroke from linear and buttery to all rampy and stiff. There's 16 clicks so I guaranty that you'll mess with this setting for a while. The initial 60% of the stroke stays linear and seriously plush. I ran it full linear and loved it.

    I used 140 of the 160mm of travel on my ride with some 3-footers to flat, gaps as well as plenty of chundery, narrow, high-speed singletrack. We have a few chutes with rocky, steep ruts and I didn't even blink throwing myself into them.

    The fork tracks amazingly well, holds a line, responds to input at the handlebar and is plenty light. The only thing I would say is that the full-firm setting on the compression damper might not be enough for people coming off of CTD, XX, RC or RCT3 dampers. I would describe it as a 'downhiller's lockout'. I have absolutely no issues with it and it fits perfectly with the enduro/all mountain design direction of this fork.

    I've ridden all of the trails that are local to MRP in Junction/Fruita. They video they shot for the fork is on Lunch Loops, basically downtown GJ. It's chunky and technical there. I think we can trust these guys to pull off a quality product. Since this is a first-ride impression, there's no way for me to verify the 200 hour (!) service interval on this fork. The damper is based on the Aura unit in the White Brothers forks. I have worked on those and they are robust and easy to deal with.

    If you are looking for a fork with a bit more character and some out of the box thinking, the Stage must be on your short list. If you have a Pike and love it, you have to check out this fork. I don't feel comfortable calling this the best fork I've ever ridden based on one ride, but I can see that being a true statement if this fork is as good as I think it is. At this point, it would have to fail catastrophically to ruin my positive feelings.

    Forks/bikes I've ridden in the last month: Demo 8/BoXXer RC, Enduro 29/Pike RC, 2010 Stump FSR Expert carbon 275 mutt/Revelation RCT3 with carbon crown/steerer.

    Current ride: 2015 Stump FSR Evo carbon 650b/275 with MRP Stage @160mm, XX1.

    I hope this helps y'all.

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    Thanks for the detailed review.
    I've had the Pike on my Yeti sb95a for about ~9 months maybe. I think it's great, but the MRP Stage sure is interesting and something I'll consider next time around.

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    Continuing the update/review...

    I dragged my arse up and down the Shenandoah mountains on Sunday for 100 miles on a Enduro 29 with a Pike strapped to the front of it. There's about 14,000 feet of descending in that event including a ton of 20- and 30-mph single track descents. Narrowback, Wolf Ridge, Dowel's, Brailey, Chestnut...

    I have a soft spot in my heart for RockShox and really want this Pike to be The One.

    After riding on those same trails a few weeks back I was excited to rail them on 29s. The Enduro is the perfect Stokesville bike.

    At the end of the day, I realize the true strength of that Stage is the air spring. The travel is just better. There's no other way around it. Both dampers are fantastic with no fade but there's just more travel available on the Stage.

    So there you go. For my customers, I will absolutely buy back a Stage fork from them if they decide they like the Pike better. That's about the strongest endorsement I can give.

    The only drawback to the Stage is really rider-based. If you don't ride aggressively, I fear that that damper and performance characteristics would be lost. If you are looking for a stiffer chassis to help you learn to go faster, either fork will blow your mind. If you are passionate about hauling the mail down hills as fast as humanly possible, I think the Stage is a significantly better fork.

    I hope this helps.

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    Another positive review at TwentyNineinches:
    MRP "Stage" 29 Fork: Final Review

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    I have a few bones to pick with that review...

    The axle is just as easy if not easier to get right than the RS or Fox versions. It's WAY easier to change the timing on where you throw the 'qr' lever on the MRP fork because you can spin the axle nut. I see a lot of chewed up RS Maxle's because people over-tighten them AND have trouble taking them out. The end of the Maxle where you unscrew the qr lever is too sharp and small to push hard against.

    They also mentioned the 'hiss' coming from the Ramp Control. I think they are talking about the damper side. The damper does make noise occasionally, especially in certain settings/impacts. It doesn't bother me at all but I'm pretty sure it's not the Ramp Control or air spring.

    And I also think he's wrong about the beginning stroke being affected by the Ramp Control. I'm not exactly sure but I'm pretty sure that this is not the case. The ramp control specifically and by design only affects the end of the stroke. Again, I may be mistaken but on my fork, the first 60% or so of the travel remains equally plush on full ramp vs. zero ramp clicks.

    I also thinks it's crazy to review a fork and not mess around with the damper! He focused on what I see as the magic part of the fork (air spring/Ramp Control) but you HAVE to say something about the damper! Makes me think he doesn't understand it too much but I may be overly critical on that front.

    Reading the 'Mid Term' report now...

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    This is how I understand ramp control. It's a separate air chamber, with a one way check valve, that the main positive chamber slowly "bleeds" into so a big quick hit, like a drop to flat, causes the spring to be progressive as the secondary chamber doesn't have time to equalize vs on repeated mid size hits the spring acts more linearly.

    Trail builder- you should take some pics of the damper if you can. I don't understand how the compression damper functions. seems like it provides effectively no HSC. Just LSC with a magnetic blow off. The ramp control is effectively it's HSC. It's a very interesting dynamic when compared with other forks.

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    After reading the 'Mid Term' update I can see that he messed with the damper a bit more. Good stuff.

    I think he's got the right attitude on the damper. Firm enough but not a lock out. I'm not surprised he didn't notice much difference in the compression settings either. I had the same issue at lower speeds. This fork is certainly more comfortable at mach speeds. I think it's clearly built that way. The faster you go the more you realize what the fork can do and the more the compression damper shows its true colors. I think that is a drawback, to be sure, but when you are going so fast you get scared, you know it's doing the most for you...

    I wish there was more info on this fork out there. I think it's so good that I'm starting to think there's something wrong with me.

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    Croakies, That is an accurate general statement/understanding of the Ramp Control system. It provides dynamic isolation between the chambers, but not static isolation. And "static" applies to low frequency shaft speed events. During high shaft speed events, the Ramp Control provides adjustable isolation of the ramp chamber from the main air spring chamber, effectively making the main air spring chamber smaller. But during low shaft speed events, the isolation is much less prevalent, so the air spring behaves more like the full (combined) chamber volumes.

    If you have any experience in electronics, it behaves like a coil in a circuit.
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    I had a nice stereo in my car in high school. That's my electronics background.

    I cruised into most of the shops in Junction last time I was out there with RockShox but missed Palisade. Next time...

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    Hi trailbildr.....after your great review I'm thinking of buying this fork, but before doing so, I would like to make sure that there are spare parts available out there. I have found no dealer to order wiper seals or any internal part of the fork. I did not find either any instructions, pictures, videos, etc, about the basic maintenance of the fork. For instance, how to adjust the internal travel of the fork. I really would like to use the fork with the maximum possible travel (170 mm). Did you try that travel in your fork? Were you able to find any maintenance information of the fork? in my opinion this is simply unacceptable.....and finally....could you please confirm the actual weight of the fork??? thanks a lot !!!

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    Like most products, you have to find a local shop who *can* support you, besides having the will to do so. Buy the fork locally, ask them to order a set of seals along with the fork and ask them to email MRP to get all of the tech docs.

    It's not a significant departure from White Brothers stuff that MRP made so I think you can be confident that they are here to support the product. If you are concerned about that, buy a Pike and enjoy!

    I didn't weigh the fork. I'm running it at 160mm for 275 wheels.

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    I see spare parts, tech resources, setup instructions, etc all listed on their site at MRP. I suspect they'll also have the full Stage service instructions up soon as they do for all their models. If necessary they are also very easy to reach by phone and you'll get a real person that knows what they are talking about.

    I just ordered up a Stage and should have it in hand later this week. It will replace a 170mm RC2DH coil Lyrik that I've been really happy with for the past couple seasons on my Chilcotin. It's going to likely get one shakedown ride and then get thrown straight into 3 big days in Moab so I'll find out pretty quick if it can fill the big shoes of the Lyrik for me. I'll certainly report back on my findings. Thanks for the thorough reviews trailbildr, it's really helped out making a decision on this one.
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    Hi guys, Please don't get stuck on brand identification. White Bros and MRP are two brands that have resided within the same company for years. The move of White Bros suspension to MRP branding was a business step, and doesn't reflect anything having to do with the hardware. The company, people, etc all continue on - except that now there's a bunch of new great forks.
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    I just put the 29er version set at 150mm on-wow it really is a very supple smooth fork. It felt bit sticky when you just standing over it and pushing on it. But as soon as you start riding-it's smooth as butter.

    Also to answer someone elses question. MRP has the seals available on their website, and the fork does come with instructions on how to raise or lower the travel and the spacers to do so.

    I'm glad they finally made this 34mm fork, as I was wanting a loop before, but didn't want the smaller 32mm series.

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    Another update on the Stage. I spent the weekend at Snowshoe in WV riding on the Western slope on that fork. I remain amazed by the composure and quality of that fork. I was keeping up with everyone, happily and in as much control as I could.

    It was stiff through the gnar, composed on the big jumps and supple on the high-speed stuff on all the flow trails.

    So far, so great.

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    I'm trying to find a more eloquent way to put it but I'm just going to say that I've been flat out blown away by the Stage. I'm running the 170mm 26/27.5 version on a Knolly Chilcotin which previously had a coil Lyrik RC2DH up front. The Lyrik has been a great fork but it's a bit of a tank on a bike that I do the vast majority of my riding on and I've been looking at some of the new options in forks for the past couple seasons waiting for something that really stood out as a great replacement. I finally pulled the trigger on the Stage about 3 weeks ago. The first few rides were big days in Park City, UT and while I tried to find some trails to really push the fork, tech riding up there is a bit few and far between. I could feel the weight benefits vs the Lyrik and really liked the incredibly well thought out adjustments. The rebound and compression have great range and a couple clicks are very noticeable and the ramp up is absolutely amazing. Still, it's tough to really push a fork to it's limits up there so it was tough to peg whether the performance was much better than my Lyrik.

    This past weekend was a different story, we headed south for 3 days riding in Moab. To make the most of our time we planned some big days and hit Burro Down with Schumans, Mag7(with Blue Dot and Portal), and Amasa/Hymasa/Ahab. Some nasty tech rides were you can really feel a fork come alive and evaluate whether it's up to the task. Within the first half mile of dropping off Burro I knew this fork was going to be great. The thing is incredibly smooth and so well mannered when you're flying down some steep, hairy tech. For those that have ridden it, you'll understand how crazy Burro can get when you ride it fast. Rocks, roots, and drops galore with all kinds of odd landings, off camber lines, and corners that you inevitably come into way too hot. The fork ate up everything and it's fabulous when it comes to staying where it should in it's travel rather than diving at a bad time. The thing is stiff as well. I've been quite outspoken about my love for 20mm thru axles and stiff forks so leaving the Lyrik for a slightly smaller stanchioned, 15mm axle fork was a big concern, especially stretched out to 170mm travel. At one point on Schumans I came around a tight corner way too fast that exited with about a two foot roll off a root. Not knowing what was coming I came in hot, washed the front tire hard and rolled/plowed off the drop with the front wheel still at a 45 degree angle to the trail. Coming off a large, front-heavy drop with a wheel sideways and a hand full of front brake should be a recipe for feeling a fork flex but the thing was rock solid and I rolled away laughing. This trend continued throughout the trip, riding stuff a bit faster then I normally would just to push it, riding some lines I hadn't tried before, and generally trying to put the fork in a bad spot to see how it would handle. It never left me disappointed and pretty much across the board had me surprised at just how well it rode.

    Only problem now is trying to figure out how to budget for a second one at 140mm for my 27.5 hardtail.
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    I sold one to a customer last week. On his shakedown ride he said 'I heard all the geeky stuff you said about the fork but you should just tell people it's a beast and they'll ride faster'.

    So yeah, what you said. Such a great fork...

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    What does the internal travel change involve? is it an easy job?

    And: can a 150mm fork be extended to 170mm?

    In other words, are all the 650b Stages capable of 170mm of travel?

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    I sold one to a customer last week. On his shakedown ride he said 'I heard all the geeky stuff you said about the fork but you should just tell people it's a beast and they'll ride faster'.

    So yeah, what you said. Such a great fork...

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    Removal of lowers, removal of circlip, remove or swap spacer(s), and reassemble. Quite easy. And yes to both of your other questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winans View Post
    Removal of lowers, removal of circlip, remove or swap spacer(s), and reassemble. Quite easy. And yes to both of your other questions.
    Thanks!

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    looking for rebuilding instructions. Had the fork for 3 months ridden it hard and want to change oil / seals etc..

    Can fin the seals.. just not instructions / vide / oil capacity.

    Not a fan on LBS or send it in.. am a fan of doing it myself.

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    Contact our tech department for detailed instructions if needed, info@mrpbike.com.

    Probably a bit early to replace seals, but some fresh bath oil is always nice. 5wt oil is the ticket, 10cc for damper side, 20cc for spring side.

    Turn your rebound knob all the way in before unthreading the damper-side foot bolt, and hold it still while backing the foot bolt out. This will keep air from getting in the damper.

    A touch of Slick Honey in the seals is also recommended.

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    Wish this fork came in 20mm. Im not ready to jump into the 15mm land and buy new sets of wheels since two out out of my 3 sets are not convertible.

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    I just serviced my Stage for the first time on Wednesday. I didn't look too closely at the directions and it went well. Of course, I *did* look at them to make sure I didn't bunge anything up. I like to dumb my way through forks the first time (my OWN forks, that is) to see how intuitive it is. I rebuilt the air spring side and just bled the damper. After a bunch of miles, the lowers oil was clean and there was only a bit of dirt just below the upper wiper seals.

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    MRP Stage Suspension Fork-2015-01-24-13.32.44.jpgMine was BLACK!

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    I had the Ramp Control piston dislodge from the adjuster just below the top cap. There is a check valve on top of the piston that cannot have anything on it or in it. There was a bit of grease on it that was affecting the check valve operation and pulling the assembly away from the adjuster leaving the fork in what felt like full linear mode.

    Make sure the top of the air piston is clean and that there is only grease on the OD of the assembly at the o-ring. Don't get all liberal with grease application on that.

    MRP has been notified and they are adding that detail to their tech docs. I don't think there's any potential for damage if it becomes dislodged while riding so even if this happens in the field it shouldn't be much of an issue (if you like the linear setting).

    And if anyone needs seal kits, let me know. I have 1/2 dozen air spring kits and wiper/seal kits. I can also measure the air spring o-rings if you want to DIY it through McMaster or something.

    Lots of snow here...

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    Bumping an old thread... it is a shame that the Stage doesn't seem to get a whole lot of attention. Because it is a whole lot of fork.

    I have a Stage on both of my bikes - a Banshee Phantom and a Krampus - and am very pleased with the performance so far. It seems to be a very tunable fork and is probably the top performing 29er fork I have owned to date.

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    I have to agree with you. I've just spent 6 weeks on vacation riding my Lenz Behemoth with Stage fork.

    I got home today and went for a ride on my Norco Sight Carbon with RS Pike fork and it didn't feel nearly as plush and stiff at the same time...maybe I need to re-tune the settings on the Pike!



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    Bumping an old thread... it is a shame that the Stage doesn't seem to get a whole lot of attention. Because it is a whole lot of fork.

    I have a Stage on both of my bikes - a Banshee Phantom and a Krampus - and am very pleased with the performance so far. It seems to be a very tunable fork and is probably the top performing 29er fork I have owned to date.

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    I would have a stage right now if it had a 20mm option. I really would like to try one. Maybe on my next build

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    Sounds like you need to buy another Stage!

    And a 6-week riding vacation - you rock!

    Quote Originally Posted by field_c View Post

    I got home today and went for a ride on my Norco Sight Carbon with RS Pike fork and it didn't feel nearly as plush and stiff at the same time...maybe I need to re-tune the settings on the Pike!
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    Another solid review -
    MRP Stage Fork - Reviews, Comparisons, Specs - Mountain Bike Forks - Vital MTB

    Would like to ride one - I'm thinking of getting one and replacing a Pike for the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    Another solid review -
    MRP Stage Fork - Reviews, Comparisons, Specs - Mountain Bike Forks - Vital MTB

    Would like to ride one - I'm thinking of getting one and replacing a Pike for the summer.
    I bought the Stage a few months ago to replace the Pike. Although the Pike was great, the Stage is absolutely amazing! It's nice and supple like a coil fork with great ramp control. Plus the black stanchions are nice.

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    I just did a pretty big ride down in Harrisonburg on the Pike. I upgraded the damper to the RCT3 unit. I didn't like the spiky nature of the RC damper. The fork felt better but 20 miles in the Watershed yesterday on the Stage made me remember how much better that fork is than the Pike. Again, could very well be my riding style but the Stage remains my favorite fork. I don't think I would get rid of a Pike to get a Stage unless you are really loving that Ramp Control. Both are really great forks.

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    It is my favorite fork. However, I did keep the Pike for another bike. I've ridden Lyriks(both coil and air), Fox, etc. and the Stage is controlled and plush. I wouldn't say the Pike is bad, it actually is my close 2nd favorite. As someone else mentioned, the Stage needs more recognition.

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    Just received my Stage 29er and went for quick ride. WOW! I had a 2014 Pike on my last bike and the Stage is so much more plush and buttery. It literally disappears under your hands(which is a good thing). Not sure if everyone's seen this one but it's a good example of what the stage is capable of...
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/H3acDLSUxVI

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    Solid edit. I've ridden mine that hard at Snowshoe over here in WV a bunch. Less steeze but certainly that hard...

    The Stage is like Frank's Red Hot: I ride that sh!t on everything.

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    I had a couple of rides on my MRP Stage and so far I'm very happy It replaced a pike and I'm confident that I made the right decision...

    The only thing I find a bit weird is that when I compress the fork it seems to be a bit sticky... it goes from linear - threshold - linear - threshold. The pike didn't do that... However on the trail I don't feel the sticiton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonzoo View Post
    I had a couple of rides on my MRP Stage and so far I'm very happy It replaced a pike and I'm confident that I made the right decision...

    The only thing I find a bit weird is that when I compress the fork it seems to be a bit sticky... it goes from linear - threshold - linear - threshold. The pike didn't do that... However on the trail I don't feel the sticiton.

    Yep - mine does that. It's sticky at the very top if it's been sitting around but once you press down once it breaks stiction and is buttery for the rest of the ride . It almost feels like it's the magnetic damper building up as it sits up high because it doesn't feel totally like the typical stiction you get from seals. I only have two rides on my fork so I can't say whether this totally goes away or not but I don't see it as an issue at all so far.

    The only thing that I can see them improving is the slight rebound noise. I personally like silence when I ride. I read somewhere on Pinkbike that MRP is working on a fix for this. Maybe it will be available as an aftermarket add on? It's not a deal breaker. I would still by the fork again.

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    I reset the fork and did the "fill negative air chamber" process again. It feels like the stiction got much better. Maybe it also "broke in" since I had more rides on it.

    I'm still very happy with this fork. It feels so controlled & comfortable but also supportive... Really good

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    Anyone know where I can find technical docs for doing an oil change on the stage? I thought I read the tech docs and videos were going to be made over the winter but I don't see any.

    Also, I'm wondering if there's a trick that I can do to reduce the rebound 'hiss'. The only way I can quiet my fork is having the rebound set to very fast which is obviously not ideal. The sound is great for letting others know I'm passing them but I would't mind a quieter fork. Still love the performance of it eitherway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDiggler View Post
    Anyone know where I can find technical docs for doing an oil change on the stage? I thought I read the tech docs and videos were going to be made over the winter but I don't see any.
    Yeah, that's my bad. Sorry we've yet to publish these. We have documents available if send us an e-mail to info@mrpbike.com. I'll work on getting some videos up soon as well.

    As far as tricks to quieting down the rebound, there aren't any really - it's just the nature of the beast. It's due largely to the high volume of oil we use in the damper, which is beneficial on a number of fronts including durability, adjustability, and performance. That said, we're looking at ways to address the operational noise and constantly field testing new ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Yeah, that's my bad. Sorry we've yet to publish these. We have documents available if send us an e-mail to info@mrpbike.com. I'll work on getting some videos up soon as well.

    As far as tricks to quieting down the rebound, there aren't any really - it's just the nature of the beast. It's due largely to the high volume of oil we use in the damper, which is beneficial on a number of fronts including durability, adjustability, and performance. That said, we're looking at ways to address the operational noise and constantly field testing new ideas.

    Cheers

    Thanks for your response, Noah. Good to know. I'm actually appreciating that high volume oil as of lately. I'm impressed at how unchanged the fork feels after hard 'rooty' riding here in NC. What I'm used too is my fork dampening getting overwhelmed and loosing small bump sensitivity after 10-15 minutes of bashing into roots - but the Stage seems to stay consistent the entire time...NICE! I think my brain is starting to tune out the rebound sound but it would be neat if MRP offered an upgrade at some point to reduce the sound by just a little. Not a big deal and definitely not a deal breaker. Loving the fork!

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    The Stage is so plush and consistent throughout it's travel. The noise doesn't bother me or maybe it's my I9 hubs that's drowning it out. The squish, the hub buzz, the sounds of nature, whatever it is, always brings a smile when I'm out riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottieM8 View Post
    The Stage is so plush and consistent throughout it's travel. The noise doesn't bother me or maybe it's my I9 hubs that's drowning it out. The squish, the hub buzz, the sounds of nature, whatever it is, always brings a smile when I'm out riding.

    Can anyone perhaps even make acomparisson to a diamond?
    I'm looking for something more composed than the pike.even a bit more midstroke support than the pike and better highsoeed circuits as the pike starts spiking roo much on brake bumps and so on.
    I already own a mattoc with pike spacers which is far better than the pike.still I'd like a betrer defined mid of the travel without sacriycing small bump compliance and oerhaos a bit more stiffness.

    I cam get the diamond and the stage for around 700 euros .only a small price difference.so I do not know which to choose.

    Before I'll try a reshim of the lsc of the mattoc.but if this doesnt work out, I'll get one of the other two.

    So any experiences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bansaiman View Post
    Can anyone perhaps even make acomparisson to a diamond?
    I'm looking for something more composed than the pike.even a bit more midstroke support than the pike and better highsoeed circuits as the pike starts spiking roo much on brake bumps and so on.
    I already own a mattoc with pike spacers which is far better than the pike.still I'd like a betrer defined mid of the travel without sacriycing small bump compliance and oerhaos a bit more stiffness.

    I cam get the diamond and the stage for around 700 euros .only a small price difference.so I do not know which to choose.

    Before I'll try a reshim of the lsc of the mattoc.but if this doesnt work out, I'll get one of the other two.

    So any experiences?
    Never tried a Diamond but they look really nice. Too bad there's not a lot of reviews out there. As for the MRP, it has oodles of mid-stroke support and arguably smoother small bump sensitivity over a Pike right out of the box. Spiking is almost non existent as far as I can tell. What I've noticed is that the mid-stroke doesn't change feel after it's taken numerous blows - it stays buttery yet supportive throughout your ride which is great when your on your last breath. Mine really opened up after 5-6 hours of riding. Now it's on another level for smoothness and control. Can't wait to get on it today.

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    Anyone know where I can get accurate A2C measurements of the 29er version? Specifically looking for it at 130mm but I can add/subtract :-)

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    MRP's measurements are accurate, 538mm 130mm/29".
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    Here's a link to our recent appearance on the show "How It's Made" - check out the Stage being built from the ground up (mostly).

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    --Sweet video. Thanks

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    Noah, cool vid. Are they all made in Colorado, or are they assembled elsewhere and all dyno tested before decals & shipping?

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    New Stage owner here, 29er at 130mm travel. Went by the factory recommendations and it felt pretty damn good out of the box. Nice and stiff, tracked really well.

    Best compliment I can give is that I noticed. . . .nothing. It flat out ate everything in its path.

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    Always great to see a small company get some national recognition. Especially one that makes an awesome fork. Enjoy my Stage very much!

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    Travel change - Peg removal

    Hey Colin or anyone else in the know -

    I'm trying to do a travel change on my stage and having a heck of a time trying to pop off the grey bottom out peg(shown in the picture). Is there a secret to pulling this off to get to the travel spacers? The directions just say "firmly pull off peg off the stanchion..." I've already put some serious force on it and it won't budge.

    I appreciate your help here. MRP Stage Suspension Fork-img_3263.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDiggler View Post
    Hey Colin or anyone else in the know -

    I'm trying to do a travel change on my stage and having a heck of a time trying to pop off the grey bottom out peg(shown in the picture). Is there a secret to pulling this off to get to the travel spacers? The directions just say "firmly pull off peg off the stanchion..." I've already put some serious force on it and it won't budge.

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    Success! I was able to pop the peg off with a little more upward force. The travel change was super easy to do with the supplied o-rings and grease. Went from 140mm to 150mm on my 29er version. Just need some 5WT oil somewhere.

    Is there a torque speck for the damper/rebound rods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtDiggler View Post
    Success! I was able to pop the peg off with a little more upward force.
    Glad you figured it out. I had a similar experience changing travel on my Stage - was surprised at how much force it took to get that peg off.

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    Just replaced a set of Pikes with MRP Stage forks on my Nicolai Ion 16, Only one ride so far, but seem to be very smooth through the travel, Amazing small bump response.

    Will give them a few more rides this week and give a better review.

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    My service went horribly wrong I guess I screwed up somewhere... Basically I "lost" LSC but I could still engage the lockout.

    I have already contacted MRP service I hopefully they can help me out. I love the way the fork works but I have to admit that the service on my girlfiend's pike was way easier. Maybe MRP should include the rebound removal tool and a spare schrader valve? I guess that would make the service a bit easier.

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    Checking in. . .about 20 more hours on it and still impressed. I've been playing around with the settings just to see how they react but the factory suggestions are pretty close. First fork I've ever set up without checking sag. . .FWIW.

    Ended up at the bottom of the psi range and slightly higher on ramp to deal with all the rocks we have on my trails.

    Loving the ramp control; if I know I'm going to be hauling ass, I can dial in a tad more support, then back it off for normal speed riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenblur View Post
    Checking in. . .about 20 more hours on it and still impressed. I've been playing around with the settings just to see how they react but the factory suggestions are pretty close. First fork I've ever set up without checking sag. . .FWIW.

    Ended up at the bottom of the psi range and slightly higher on ramp to deal with all the rocks we have on my trails.

    Loving the ramp control; if I know I'm going to be hauling ass, I can dial in a tad more support, then back it off for normal speed riding.

    I hear you! I have to say that I'm still loving mine as well. I really like being able to tweak it for the terrain or just set it up and forget about it. I found a sweet spot at the lower end of the recommended pressure as well. It now has just enough mid stroke support but allows me to get all the travel when I need - which I could not do on my previous forks. Now I just tweak the ramp up depending on how hard I want to go. I took my rig to Massanutten VA over the 4th and the fork destroyed the rock gardens there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bansaiman View Post

    I cam get the diamond and the stage for around 700 euros .only a small price difference.so I do not know which to choose.
    Are you in Europe? Where exactly can you buy it for 700€? The lowest price is see is 1055€ in UK. Or a bit cheaper if buy in US and deal with shipping and customs fees.

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    I just wanted to give a short review of the MRP Stage. I'll start with some backstory.


    I bought my Yeti SB95 a couple years ago. It came with a RS Rev that it didn't really like. It was alright, but it just didn't fit. I decided to swap a Fox 34 TALAS that I had on another bike with the Rev. The Yeti was never thrilled with the Fox either. So I splurged and bought a RS Pike. What a great looking fork. The Yeti was thrilled.

    I put the Pike on the Yeti and started dialing it in. It wasn't long before I decided I had just made a huge mistake. It didn't feel any better than the Fox or Rev. Then I lowered the pressure a little bit. And a little more. Holy crap! It was the smoothest fork I had ever ridden. The Yeti was happy as can be. Then came the first replacement. Then the second. Then the rebound cartridge had to be replaced. It was the best fork ever; when it worked. The Yeti loved the Pike, but it was too often in the shop. It wanted something more reliable.

    Enter the Fox 36 RC2 2015. On a whim I decided to try the new F36. The Pike was in the shop waiting for a new rebound cartridge, and I got talking with the owner and he recommended the F36. I've had issues with Fox in the past. I ordered it anyway, and a couple weeks later it was on the Yeti and ready to go. I started with the recommended settings. I dropped the pressure by half in the end, and LSC and HSC were both closed. It felt like a rigid fork going over trail chatter. It was better than the Pike on jumps and drops. More composed on chunky trail, but there was no plushness. It often felt like a jackhammer. The Yeti didn't like it. It wanted the F36 gone.

    What to do? I read up on the DVO Diamond. It was getting a lot of press. I wanted other options, though. Then I found the MRP Stage. It was sitting over in the corner. It wasn't getting all the attention like the preppy kid(DVO), the Jock(F36), or the prom King(pike), but it looked good. Tall. Solid. Dressed in black. The Yeti wanted it.

    I ordered the Stage, and had it installed in no time. First ride out, the Yeti was excited. I didn't even have it dialed in yet and it was already better than the F36 and approaching Pike territory. A little less pressure. A little more ramp control. No compression. The Yeti was dancing. It had finally found its soul mate(s). MRP Stage in the front, Cane Creek DB Air in the back. The Yeti is happy.



    Sorry, I've been reading too much fiction lately.

    The MRP Stage is truly the best fork I've ever ridden. I still have the Pike. I dropped it to 120mm and it is now on my XC bike. It is an amazing fork. The Stage is just better. That was actually hard to write. I have loved the Pike for so long. Its only downsides are reliability and the tendency to dive. The Fox 36 is shipping with a new tune that is supposed to make it more plush, and not as harsh over trail chatter. I for one am done with Fox. I've just been burned a few too many times. Maybe, if they get their act together, I will give them another shot. But why bother? I already own the best fork out there.

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    I for one am done with Fox. I've just been burned a few too many times. Maybe, if they get their act together, I will give them another shot. But why bother? I already own the best fork out there.
    Thanks for the report. I also tried a 2015 Fox 36 and thought the exact same as you. I am convinced that Fox is just a marketing company and is always promising to "fix" the problems of last year. I love the idea of the stage - american made and some really neat features - such as the bleed button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptsube2002 View Post
    I just wanted to give a short review of the MRP Stage. I'll start with some backstory.

    Sorry, I've been reading too much fiction lately.

    The MRP Stage is truly the best fork I've ever ridden. I still have the Pike. I dropped it to 120mm and it is now on my XC bike. It is an amazing fork. The Stage is just better. That was actually hard to write. I have loved the Pike for so long. Its only downsides are reliability and the tendency to dive. The Fox 36 is shipping with a new tune that is supposed to make it more plush, and not as harsh over trail chatter. I for one am done with Fox. I've just been burned a few too many times. Maybe, if they get their act together, I will give them another shot. But why bother? I already own the best fork out there.
    YUP! Well said. The Stage is definitely my favorite fork of all time. I'm on a Remedy 29er myself and it rips on that bike. It's the first fork that I can use all of the travel but still have plenty of mid stroke support. It disappears completely when you want it to but at the same time begs you to load it and pop off things. As for FOX, the forks they made before they introduced the FIT and CTD stuff circa 2004-2010? were actually decent. I remember the older Float and the vanilla 36 were good simple forks with a Hi-Low speed compression circuit. The had a little bit of 'dive' but overall pretty smooth forks. The problem with FOX is they think they have to come up with something totally new every season rather than just building off of something that already works very well. I think they're finally starting to get back to that earlier performance they had before they went off the deep end with complicated circuitry.

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    Stage Long Term Reliability & Service?

    For all of the positive accolades cited in this thread and others, I am giving serious consideration to the purchase MRP Stage fork as it seems to offer a level of performance and adjustability that eclipses the Pike. Additionally as MRP highlights, they design and build their fork to utilize more oil to elevate the performance, diminish stanchion wear and extend the service time intervals.

    Additionally, I like the idea of purchasing a product/fork that is well designed and thought out and supporting a smaller USA company like MRP.

    My purchase reservations at this point are:

    1. How is the MRP Stage holding up from a reliability and CS standpoint?

    2. How does the Stage compare to the Pike from a service standpoint? Is the Stage more, less or similar in complexity and cost to rebuild?

    3. Are there any ride characteristics or performance attributes of the Pike that are superior to the MRP Stage?

    Any personal experiences and perspectives are greatly appreciated!

    BTW I will be purchasing the Stage or Pike in a 29r 130mm configuration.

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    1. Build quality is excellent, on par with any other high end fork. Only 50 hours on mine; no reason to think there will be any issues. Its a solid piece. CS wise, can only spectulate that MRP has a slight edge given they are a smaller company (i.e. humans pick up the phone).

    2. You can get service docs easily from either company and they look to have similar maintenance intervals. Both have a bladder damper unit, so probably about the same in terms of complexity.

    3. Pike is very good but I prefer the Stage. The ramp control on the Stage is badass; way better than the tokens in the Pike. I also like the wide range on the MRP's compression damping vs the Pike's three settings (I know you can get the RC spec on OEM forks but you can't them aftermarket).

    Only goofy thing about the Stage is the noise. You can hear the damper working on big hits.

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    Thanks for your response Greenblur. Good to know that you continue to be pleased with your Stage Fork 50 hours in. Also very good point as to company accessibility and responsiveness. I have to believe since they are smaller and do not have the advertising budgets of RS and Fox that they have deliver superior CS and produce a better trap. Lastly, I agree with your perspective relating to the Ramp Control, I gotta believe that it is supper convenient to make that adjustment on the trail sans the tokens.

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    @CDI

    1. Build quality is excellent, on par with any other high end fork. Only 50 hours on mine; no reason to think there will be any issues. Its a solid piece. CS wise, can only spectulate that MRP has a slight edge given they are a smaller company (i.e. humans pick up the phone).

    2. You can get service docs easily from either company and they look to have similar maintenance intervals. Both have a bladder damper unit, so probably about the same in terms of complexity.

    3. Pike is very good but I prefer the Stage. The ramp control on the Stage is badass; way better than the tokens in the Pike. I also like the wide range on the MRP's compression damping vs the Pike's three settings (I know you can get the RC spec on OEM forks but you can't them aftermarket).

    Only goofy thing about the Stage is the noise. You can hear the damper working on big hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenblur View Post
    @CDI

    1. Build quality is excellent, on par with any other high end fork. Only 50 hours on mine; no reason to think there will be any issues. Its a solid piece. CS wise, can only spectulate that MRP has a slight edge given they are a smaller company (i.e. humans pick up the phone).

    2. You can get service docs easily from either company and they look to have similar maintenance intervals. Both have a bladder damper unit, so probably about the same in terms of complexity.

    3. Pike is very good but I prefer the Stage. The ramp control on the Stage is badass; way better than the tokens in the Pike. I also like the wide range on the MRP's compression damping vs the Pike's three settings (I know you can get the RC spec on OEM forks but you can't them aftermarket).

    Only goofy thing about the Stage is the noise. You can hear the damper working on big hits.
    Pretty much exactly what I would say. I have been riding my Stage for over a year with no issues whatsoever.

    As far as customer service, MRP is one of the best. They are quick to respond to any questions and have a quick turnaround if you ever need service. (I sent in my Loop for a few years ago to have a new steerer pressed in when I swapped frames and needed a longer steerer. )

    #3 - couldn't agree more. The Pike is a great fork, but the Stage is better, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptsube2002 View Post
    The MRP Stage is truly the best fork I've ever ridden. I still have the Pike. I dropped it to 120mm and it is now on my XC bike. It is an amazing fork. The Stage is just better. That was actually hard to write. I have loved the Pike for so long. Its only downsides are reliability and the tendency to dive. The Fox 36 is shipping with a new tune that is supposed to make it more plush, and not as harsh over trail chatter. I for one am done with Fox. I've just been burned a few too many times. Maybe, if they get their act together, I will give them another shot. But why bother? I already own the best fork out there.
    Thanks! That's a great review! Cheers
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    I spent a good amount of time on the new Fox 34 and was fairly impressed with the new damper but the fork was a little flexy. Next came the Pike which was stiffer but didn't care for the mid stroke support and I just seemed to have a harder time preloading it to pop off of small obstacles. Now my new Stage should be here tomorrow and very excited to see how it performs. I do need to lower it to 140mm travel right away so will see how that goes but I am excited to see the lower c2a height, heck if my calculations are right the mrp 27.5 at 150mm should be about the same as the Pike at 140mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I spent a good amount of time on the new Fox 34 and was fairly impressed with the new damper but the fork was a little flexy. Next came the Pike which was stiffer but didn't care for the mid stroke support and I just seemed to have a harder time preloading it to pop off of small obstacles. Now my new Stage should be here tomorrow and very excited to see how it performs. I do need to lower it to 140mm travel right away so will see how that goes but I am excited to see the lower c2a height, heck if my calculations are right the mrp 27.5 at 150mm should be about the same as the Pike at 140mm?
    That's right, for 27.5" models we're about 10mm shorter than the Pike.

    There is a travel change video on the website here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    That's right, for 27.5" models we're about 10mm shorter than the Pike.

    There is a travel change video on the website here.
    Thanks, is it still 10w for the lower bath oil?

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    Got my first ride on the Stage tonight and even though I need to do a little fine tuning yet this fork ROCKS!! So far i've had a 2016 Fox 34, 2016 Pike, and now the Stage all on the same bike and the Stage came out on the top. First I had the new Fox and loved the damper and the mid support but the chassis felt a little on the flexy side. Next came the Pike and loved how stiff the chassis felt but didn't like the lack mid stroke support. The fork just kinda felt dead when popping off of roots and rocks compared to the Fox. Now along came the Stage with tons of Mid stroke support and so far I haven't notice any flex but I will be putting it to a better test soon. The small bump compliance is out of this world right out of the box. My bike really came alive on the trail, just so much fun. Some say that they don't know if it's a big enough difference to switch out a Pike for the MRP but I'm sure happy I did. What's also really nice is the low c2r and I can run a 140mm fork on my bike that is only suppose to have a 130mm. Just a few pics for proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    That's right, for 27.5" models we're about 10mm shorter than the Pike.

    There is a travel change video on the website here.

    Thanks for posting this video up, Noah.
    The written direction aren't that bad but there were a few steps where I was scratching my head wondering if I was doing things correctly. The video is a huge help. Also, for those that are doing this the first time, removing the bottom-out peg at 8:40 is a serious bee-hatch. Don't be surprised if it takes some elbow grease to pop it out. Noah made it look easy in the video.

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    The video and the instruction don't agree on oil volumes in the lowers.

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    Nice post bdundee! Your experiences are very similar to my own, but I'm also a big fan of the Mattoc.

    Did you find yourself unsatisfied with the Pike and 34 or were you just wanting to play the field a bit?
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    I really enjoyed the damper on the 2016 Fox 34 but I was experiencing some flex when charging into the chunk. I'm sure some will argue with the flex in the Fox but I couldn't get past it. The Pike took care of the flex issue but I was constantly finding myself running through the mid stroke no matter how I tuned it. I would find it diving hard into corners and having to lighten the front end some to get it back into position or packing up in rooty sections. Truly I'm making a bigger deal out of these issues than they really are but it gave me a reason to try the mrp. I'm getting the itch to try Mattoc and the Diamond but really fighting it due to finding no issues what so ever with the Stage, really loving this fork.

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    Broken Axle

    The axle on my Stage broke yesterday while I was riding. The threaded end on the axle broke off leaving it still threaded into the fork. Anyone have similar problems like this? Anyone know if the qtaper axle is the only axle that can be used? I emailed MRP last night to see if they have any info on the topic.

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    Where are you buying your Stages in Europe?
    Or, did someone actually buy it in Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Where are you buying your Stages in Europe?
    Or, did someone actually buy it in Europe?
    I've bought mine in US actually. It was about 20% cheaper then buying through a greedy UK dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcalabrese22 View Post
    The axle on my Stage broke yesterday while I was riding. The threaded end on the axle broke off leaving it still threaded into the fork. Anyone have similar problems like this? Anyone know if the qtaper axle is the only axle that can be used? I emailed MRP last night to see if they have any info on the topic.

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    Damn, did you crash? I can't imagine that the wheel was very stable after the axle broke.

    I would contact MRP directly using the info on their website. How tight was the axle, did you close it easily by hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Damn, did you crash? I can't imagine that the wheel was very stable after the axle broke.

    I would contact MRP directly using the info on their website. How tight was the axle, did you close it easily by hand?
    I was riding through some rocky terrain and my wheel went into the space between two of the rocks but didn't make it out and I kind of slowly toppled based on my forward momentum. When I went to go again I noticed the wheel was not secure. I ended up walking out. MRP is sending me a new axle.

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    This worries me a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcalabrese22 View Post
    I was riding through some rocky terrain and my wheel went into the space between two of the rocks but didn't make it out and I kind of slowly toppled based on my forward momentum. When I went to go again I noticed the wheel was not secure. I ended up walking out. MRP is sending me a new axle.
    I see. You didn't mention how tight the axle was, though.

    If you had it extremely tight, I can see this fatiguing the axle in such a way. Not only would you want to make sure not to repeat that, but it would be a warning to others as well.

    This is the reason why Fox and Shimano devised the torquing method in their QR15 axle those years ago. The way it is implemented, if you don't move the endcap, you always fasten the axle with a fairly specific amount of force.

    It's not just MRP - most 15mm axles do not have a method for ensuring that the axle is tight enough, yet not overtorqued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    I see. You didn't mention how tight the axle was, though.

    If you had it extremely tight, I can see this fatiguing the axle in such a way. Not only would you want to make sure not to repeat that, but it would be a warning to others as well.

    This is the reason why Fox and Shimano devised the torquing method in their QR15 axle those years ago. The way it is implemented, if you don't move the endcap, you always fasten the axle with a fairly specific amount of force.

    It's not just MRP - most 15mm axles do not have a method for ensuring that the axle is tight enough, yet not overtorqued.
    I hadn't removed the front wheel in a while so I really can't comment on tension, but I try to follow the directions in the Stage manual for setting the tension.

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    Any change for the 2016 production? My dealer mentioned an upgraded damper for the new forks coming next month

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