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    Lyrik SoloAir all-travel spacers

    I just picked up a spankin' new Lyrik SoloAir for my Knolly Endorphin. I don't want to chopper out the geometry too much, so am planning on keeping the travel at 140mm (525mm A-to-C).

    The Rock Shox All-Travel kit comes with various types of spacers (see pic):

    White hard plastic
    Black rubber
    Black plastic

    I believe the white spacers are for the coil version.

    Can someone tell me which spacers go on the SoloAir? Apparently both the rubber and the plastic fit...
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    IIRC the white ones snap onto the end of a coil spring (not sure what model fork...)

    The rubber ones are top out bumpers. You could use a longer one than you have or double up on them..but it takes a tiny bit more work to change those out. The 3/4 round ones just snap on the shaft.

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    if the 3/4 round ones (same as in your RVL, duly) fit the Lyrik's shaft, I'd go with those..

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    What did the kit cost ? I have a Lyrik Solo AIr on the way and will also run it @ 140mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    if the 3/4 round ones (same as in your RVL, duly) fit the Lyrik's shaft, I'd go with those..
    They both fit.

    What if I used a 10mm plastic spacer and a 10mm rubber one. Would that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keen
    What did the kit cost ? I have a Lyrik Solo AIr on the way and will also run it @ 140mm.
    don't think it's very expensive, but I believe you'll need to order it from your local shop.

    here's the info:

    Rock Shox All-Travel kit, 00-07 forks

    BTI part #: RS-3111
    vendor part #: 11.4310.467.000
    description: All-Travel spacer kit
    year: 00-07
    model: All-Travel models

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulyebr
    They both fit.

    What if I used a 10mm plastic spacer and a 10mm rubber one. Would that work?
    are the rubber ones flexible?

    I'd just stuck with the 3/4 ones... since you can easily clip them on/off.... and they are the ones shown on other model's manuals (damn RockShox, that doesn't have a service guide for the dual air lyrik)

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    Take a look at the topout bumper when you open the fork... does it look like the 3/4 plastic spacer will play nicely with the bumper? I don't know about the Lyrik Solo Air, but the Totem has a larger "hollow" bumper that the plastic spacer tries to wedge itself into. If it's the same bumper in the Lyrik, go with the full-round spacers. I didn't have these when I lowered my Totem (the second time around) and had to make a spacer out of a piece of nylon.

    Also, if you are ever inclined to use two spacers, the 3/4 plastic ones can work each other off the shaft. Another surprise discovery when I used two 20mm spacers to lower my Totem the first time.

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    This is all very good information!

    Thank youl!

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    Hmm... the all-travel spacers in my Tora SoloAir looked exactly like the two rubber deals in the upper left corner of that photo.

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    Anyone know where to puchase this kit online? I can't seem to find a reputable source.

    I have some spare spacers from a Fox Vanilla 32... anyone know if it's the same shaft diameter as a Rockshox 32mm model (Argyle 409, in particular)?

    thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpet
    Anyone know where to puchase this kit online? I can't seem to find a reputable source.

    I have some spare spacers from a Fox Vanilla 32... anyone know if it's the same shaft diameter as a Rockshox 32mm model (Argyle 409, in particular)?

    thanks!
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    chad at redbarnbicycles.com is where I got mine.

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    i just lowered my totem today. i used some skateboard bushings it works perfect

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    good tip JC.
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    i got the black ( they are the hardest) doh dohs thats what they are called. i got 2 packs of them i used the cylinder shaped ones.the reason i used 2 packs is cause they are each 14mm thick. i took a dremel and drilled it out alittle and it went right on there. it took about 30min to do everything.

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    JC do you space out the Damper side too? or were you lowering the totem 56mm (all spacers on the air cap side)?

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    just the air side. when you take the fork apart on the air side theres a rod with some plastic disk shaped parts with orings on them in the middle there is a rubber bumper. the spacers go above the bumper. the bottom plastic disk and bumper will just slide off the bottom. then just slide the spacers on and put back together. once you get it apart its simple to get back together. some new fork oil and its good to go.

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    before i did that i was playing around with the air pressure abit. i run 80psi in mine. i dont like it real soft (lots of jumping and drops). so what i did is i put a shock pump on my fork with it at 180mm. i had a friend of mine hold the front end down to 150mm. then i gave the pump a half pump to see what pressure i should put in it to make it feel the same as before. it was a 13psi increase at 150mm. then when we let it back upthe guage went back to 80psi.i think that should make it feel the same with less travel if i put 93psi in it at 150mm. i will see tomorrow

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    here are some pics with it lowered to 150mm
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    can you lower a coil totem?

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    not sure

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    I now want to adjust the spacers on my Lyrik SoloAir. I want 140mm of travel, but I'm only showing about 135mm of stanchion so something's not right.

    I've heard adjusting the travel with spacers is pretty easy. Can I do the job with the fork still on the bike?

    What do I need? a 2mm allen and a 24mm socket wrench? Do I need a schrader valve tool? or snap-ring pliers? Will I need additional fork oil?

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    new fork oil i just pushed the air parts thew the top

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    funny thing, I just talked to the SRAM tech dept, and the rep (who sounded *very* knowledgeable) said that despite there being less than 140mm of gold ano stanchion showing, I could be getting 140mm travel.

    It's really counter-intuitive, but he seemed absolutely sure of himself. He said that I had to measure from the center of the Maxle to the top of the crown race to get an accurate measurement of travel.

    Does that sound right

    You can see that the Lyrik is definitely longer than the Pike even though they are both set to 140mm of travel.
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    perhaps negative travel is counted within the 140mm #?

    regardless, a 5mm discrepancy isn't a major deal imho.
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    lowering forks

    for 140mm travel, why not get a pike instead of lowering your lyrik?
    for 150mm, why not get a lyric instead of lowering your totem.
    i don't feel that much stiffness difference between pike-lyrik or lyric-totem (i assume that's why you're doing it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkalewis
    for 140mm travel, why not get a pike instead of lowering your lyrik?
    for 150mm, why not get a lyric instead of lowering your totem.
    i don't feel that much stiffness difference between pike-lyrik or lyric-totem (i assume that's why you're doing it).
    better question is why not get the bigger fork? no one ever said "my fork is too stiff."

    Besides, Mission Control is next gen damping, so other than cost, the Lyrik is a better fork in every way. Also, the Lyrik SoloAir was only 140g heavier than my old Pike Air U-Turn. I never used the U-Turn, so it just added weight and complexity.

    just wish I could ride more.
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    Hi Duly, did you ever complete this task? Final outcome?

    THANKS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdrifter
    Hi Duly, did you ever complete this task? Final outcome?

    THANKS.
    No, I played with it and realized that it was a little bit of stiction combined with some negative air pulling the fork down just slightly.

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    Sorry for bringing up an old thread but I found this while searching for information. When lowering the Lyrik does it effect the compression curve in any negative way meaning does the beginning and ending travel still feel roughly the same as with the fork set at full travel? Do you lose any plushness because the fork is now starting further into its travel because of being lowered? Hope my question make sense. Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTV8
    Sorry for bringing up an old thread but I found this while searching for information. When lowering the Lyrik does it effect the compression curve in any negative way meaning does the beginning and ending travel still feel roughly the same as with the fork set at full travel? Do you lose any plushness because the fork is now starting further into its travel because of being lowered? Hope my question make sense. Thanks!!
    Great question. I've thought about this a few times myself.

    Before buying the Lyrik, I called SRAM and one the reps said using spacers would work. I didn't question what exactly he meant by "work". I've wondered a few times if by lowering the fork I'm giving up something more than *just* 20mm of travel.

    Sometimes I think the Pike felt better, but then again I had a lot more time to dial it in. This weekend I was playing with the Lyrik. I ended up dropping the air pressure 2 psi and lowering the high speed compression to just one click. That improved the butter factor noticeably.

    After reading your question, I called SRAM again. The rep, who was really cool, was honest enough to tell me he wasn't completely sure, but would forward the question on to someone who would know. He said he'd get back to me tomorrow. Assuming he does, I'll post up the response.
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    Okay, just spoke with SRAM. The *official* answer is that lowering the Lyrik SoloAir is not supported, and will void the warranty. Apparently there have been some piston failures due the use of spacers. The rep went on to say these were professional riders [who are going to the extreme end of intended use].

    However, I got the impression that it should be fine. Officially SRAM does not endorse it, but since I don't ride like a pro I'm not too worried.

    I also got him to tell me that when you lower a RockShox fork you do not handicap performance beyond reduced travel; which is obivious.

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    I thought about running a lowered Lyrik to replace my Pike Dual AIr. Problem I have found being able to adjust the neg. spring rate really helps dial the overall spring rate. I have not ridden a single air fork that could compare to the Pike Dual Air.

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    Thanks for investigating this so thoroughly!! I am looking to upgrade to a thru-axel on my Heckler and want to go with Rock Shox. But for the trails I ride and with my current abilities I don't need more than 140mm travel. So I have been considering three options;

    1) buy Lyrik air or coil which is more fork than I currently need and reduce the travel
    2) buy a current model Pike and have it PUSH'd (which would still be cheaper than a Lyrik)
    3) or wait and see what the 2009 Pike has to offer (maybe Mission Control?).

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