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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    Anyone buy a Float X CTD, or ride a demo bike that had one on?

    Curious as to how it feels and compares with a regular Float CTD.





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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    First ride on the float x on my tallboy LTc today. Seems like I need to increase air pressure 10psi over what reg float ctd. Going to try another ride tomorrow to nail the sag, then hone in on rebound damping. So far good, but not dialed yet. Will update soon.
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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    Adding 10psi over the reg ctd helped. Started in the middle of about 24 clicks of rebound adjust. Now about three clicks to the fast side of middle, prob around 9 out from full fast. I like it. Feels more plush in descend and trail. Climb seems firmer. Not a huge difference so far from the standard ctd, but having both the front and rear suspension both on a remote is really nice. Easy to go from DH to trail to climb etc really quick and safer than trying to reach down to the fork and shock.
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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1374730216.423338.jpgFox Float X CTD - who's tried one?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1374730226.849178.jpgFox Float X CTD - who's tried one?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1374730235.446223.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by LCW View Post
    Anyone buy a Float X CTD, or ride a demo bike that had one on?

    Curious as to how it feels and compares with a regular Float CTD.








    thnx
    I have the factory float ctd with boost valve on a Specialized Camber Comp Carbon, and the factory float x ctd on a Giant Trance Advanced SX.

    Both are 2014 shocks. There is no comparison. I have had no difficulty setting up the float but the float x has 25 to 30% sag and blows through the travel regardless of how much air pressure I run. I am running 230 lbs ( weigh 100 kilos) and with 230 lbs the initial travel is pretty harsh, any more air to perhaps circumvent using all of the travel would make the bike unridable. I suspect that I might have to send It off to get it tuned to suit my weight and riding style, I have read that for heavier riders they put in a slightly larger air volume reducer which gives a softer initial stroke and circumvents bottoming out all of the time.
    If it comes back half as good as the float I will be rapped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbatch@me.com View Post
    I have the factory float ctd with boost valve on a Specialized Camber Comp Carbon, and the factory float x ctd on a Giant Trance Advanced SX.

    Both are 2014 shocks. There is no comparison. I have had no difficulty setting up the float but the float x has 25 to 30% sag and blows through the travel regardless of how much air pressure I run. I am running 230 lbs ( weigh 100 kilos) and with 230 lbs the initial travel is pretty harsh, any more air to perhaps circumvent using all of the travel would make the bike unridable. I suspect that I might have to send It off to get it tuned to suit my weight and riding style, I have read that for heavier riders they put in a slightly larger air volume reducer which gives a softer initial stroke and circumvents bottoming out all of the time.
    If it comes back half as good as the float I will be rapped!
    Send it to avalanche, it looks like they are working magic on the Float X shocks right now. I owned two of their coil shocks and now you can get the exact same damping circuit in the Float X, it specifically addresses those things you mentioned (blowing through the stroke, etc).
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    I have the Float X on my Mach 6 and it is fantastic. My HDR has a Pushed Monarch Plus that I was planning on installing, but the stock shock is so good that I have not bothered yet. BTW I hate Fox and am super frustrated that I can't say anything bad about it!

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    Hmmmm... Sounds like some like it, some don't.

    Salespunk - was the Float X OEM on your Mach 6?

    Based on what lbatch is saying I might keep my Float CTD for another season...

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    I guess another question to be asked if the Float X is just another version of the DHX Air with no real improvement??? Those who don't like it have the same complaints as the old DHX Air.

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    I had a Float X on a split pivot frame, rode it for two months, and it just never felt comfortable. I think the air can was too small, just ramped up too early, like at 50% or more travel it felt harsh even at 30% sag. Companies should put large cans on by default and give you volume reducers, a la rockshox. Not to mention the fact that it had air in the damper from the factory, and the top end was just dead.

    I put a 2014 RC3 on there and am much happier. The 3 compression settings are more usable than the ctd. I can play with volume.

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    Did you check that it did not have a volume spacer fitted?

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    No spacer.

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    Quote Originally Posted by half_man_half_scab View Post
    I had a Float X on a split pivot frame, rode it for two months, and it just never felt comfortable. I think the air can was too small, just ramped up too early, like at 50% or more travel it felt harsh even at 30% sag. Companies should put large cans on by default and give you volume reducers, a la rockshox. Not to mention the fact that it had air in the damper from the factory, and the top end was just dead.

    I put a 2014 RC3 on there and am much happier. The 3 compression settings are more usable than the ctd. I can play with volume.
    That's odd since there's some pretty good reviews of it out there... Perhaps you a defective one?

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    I sent it in to Fox because of the air in the damper from the factory, and they told me that everything was functioning as expected. So, no, not defective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by half_man_half_scab View Post
    I sent it in to Fox because of the air in the damper from the factory, and they told me that everything was functioning as expected. So, no, not defective.
    Often people confuse the noise created by the dimple in the air can (which balances positive/negative spring pressures) for a slurpy damper. The Float Fluid makes a slurpy noise when it passes through that dimple. Did you actually take the air can off and listen to the damper alone?

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    half_man - do you know if your Float X's shock tune is a proper match for your bike's rear leverage ratio and also your weight? Fox can custom tune shocks - did you give them details of your bike, your weight, your riding style, etc, when you contacted them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matty F View Post
    Often people confuse the noise created by the dimple in the air can (which balances positive/negative spring pressures) for a slurpy damper. The Float Fluid makes a slurpy noise when it passes through that dimple. Did you actually take the air can off and listen to the damper alone?
    I don't recall a slurping noise. I don't recall testing it with the can off. It just slipped from one quality of travel to the next at 10% travel, a very perceptible threshold that I notice on most all Fox shocks made in the last 2 years that I didn't notice on my old RP23s. I'd like to believe you, but isn't the equalization dimple further into the travel than 10%?

    [QUTOE=LCW]half_man - do you know if your Float X's shock tune is a proper match for your bike's rear leverage ratio and also your weight? Fox can custom tune shocks - did you give them details of your bike, your weight, your riding style, etc, when you contacted them?[/QUOTE]

    The Float X is the shock Devinci spec'd with the Dixon in 2014. I wouldn't be surprised if the tune was botched, as that seems pretty common, but its the tune that Fox and Devinci developed together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by half_man_half_scab View Post
    I don't recall a slurping noise. I don't recall testing it with the can off. It just slipped from one quality of travel to the next at 10% travel, a very perceptible threshold that I notice on most all Fox shocks made in the last 2 years that I didn't notice on my old RP23s. I'd like to believe you, but isn't the equalization dimple further into the travel than 10%?

    [QUTOE=LCW]half_man - do you know if your Float X's shock tune is a proper match for your bike's rear leverage ratio and also your weight? Fox can custom tune shocks - did you give them details of your bike, your weight, your riding style, etc, when you contacted them?
    The Float X is the shock Devinci spec'd with the Dixon in 2014. I wouldn't be surprised if the tune was botched, as that seems pretty common, but its the tune that Fox and Devinci developed together.[/QUOTE]


    Reply to everyone: seems that from all of the responses to this forum that some love the floats, and some don't. I would just like to add that assuming that shocks are the same as forks, from a mass manufactured perspective, that there can be significant variants across any model. I know that with forks it can be pretty hit and miss as to whether you get a good set, or a problematic one. I had four sets of the the new model 160mm factory Talas forks before I got a set that did not have a post manufacturing bug, forks are brilliant now but it took some time to get it right. Since my original post I have had plenty of time to get accustomed to, and fine tune the floatx, they are till fractionally harsh at the start of the stroke and somewhat linear, but don't bottom out. We all ride differently and have different weights and centre of gravity, perhaps the answer is that we should all be considering custom tune options?

    Would be keen to hear from those that have tried the custom tune option for their floatx and what the results have been.

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    I'm looking to add some ramp-up to my Float X CTD. Standard air can, so spacer is the best option. I like a LOT of ramp-up on my forks and shocks. I can't find spacers in stock anywhere, does anyone have a lead on where to get them?

    Mojo has them, but out of stock and shipping from UK to Seattle seems wasteful. Anywhere else I might get them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juice View Post
    I'm looking to add some ramp-up to my Float X CTD. Standard air can, so spacer is the best option. I like a LOT of ramp-up on my forks and shocks. I can't find spacers in stock anywhere, does anyone have a lead on where to get them?

    Mojo has them, but out of stock and shipping from UK to Seattle seems wasteful. Anywhere else I might get them?
    In the interim you can smear some high temperature grease inside the air can effectively reducing the air volume. This is a good way to test to see if a spacer will benefit you.

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    http://www.artscyclery.com/Fox_Shox_...ge-FSFAVS.html

    Not sure if they would be same for Float X... I assume the air chambers on Float X same as regular Float

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCW View Post
    Fox Shox Float CTD Air Volume Spacer/Reducer Kit

    Not sure if they would be same for Float X... I assume the air chambers on Float X same as regular Float
    The float X needs different spacers. I called Fox direct and ordered them, but they're out of stock until July 11. $35 + $12 shipping, Worth it to do it right. I've had mixed experiences trying to reduce air volume using DIY methods, though I'm sure grease would work in the short term.

    Too bad someone like Universalcycles.com doesn't stock these, would be way more convenient and save on shipping.

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

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    Can't say enough about how much I like the Float X on my Rocky Mtn. Altitude - & this is the 1st Fox shock I have liked -night & day compared to the standard Float.

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    Just curious. Dont these shocks come with a certain tune? Doesnt say so on the website. Or is it as simple as to buy one, install and tune it to your own preferences?

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamao View Post
    Just curious. Dont these shocks come with a certain tune? Doesnt say so on the website. Or is it as simple as to buy one, install and tune it to your own preferences?
    Bike manufacturers will order shox with a tune to suit the purpose of the bike. If you buy one after market, in some cases, you can pick from one of a number of preset tunes. Best advice is to always allow a bit in your budget for a custom tune. Unless of course the standard tune works for you.

    i would be interested to know what a standard tune is? What do manufacturers benchmark by? Standard rider weight? Riding style?

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    Got a couple short rides in over the weekend. All I can say about the Float X is - WOW!

    SUCH a improvement over the Float CTD I had prior (had trail adjust and boost valve). Which wasn't a bad shock by any means. The Float X is just so much better! Pedals very well - nice and controlled - even in Trail mode.

    Mine is a custom tune for my bike and weight (ordered from Fox). So was my prior Float, so both were custom tuned to my bike.

    The CTD adjustment actually feel like proper low speed compression adjustments. Gone is the platform feel of my previous Float CTD (and RP23 before it), where you'd get a ton of initial resistant before "breaking" through. The Float X is just SMOOTH. No platform or notchy feel. There is a lot of spread between the 1,2 and 3 settings on the Trail setting, which is nice. You actually feel the difference. Great midstroke support - doesn't blow through travel at all, which is impressive since the 575 sort of has a low point in the leverage ratio in the middle of stroke.

    I can't be more pleased with this upgrade. Didn't think it could be that much of an improvement over the standard Float CTD, which again, I didn't dislike. Worked very well. But after a few rides on the Float X, I'd never go back to a Float CTD (or any non-reservoir shock for that matter) on an All-Mountain long travel bike.

    Can't wait to bring this thing to my nearby DH course for some gravity riding!

    Anyone thinking of getting a Float X, I don't think you'll be disappointed, but I can't stress enough of getting the right tune for your bike and weight. The wrong tune can probably ruin the ride, that goes for any shock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skyno View Post
    Can't say enough about how much I like the Float X on my Rocky Mtn. Altitude - & this is the 1st Fox shock I have liked -night & day compared to the standard Float.
    couldn't agree more with this - it's a badass shock - totally different than a standard float... the piggy back isn't just for looks... allows for a proper compression circuit, with base valve and extra oil volume...

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    Just to add my experience with the Float X.

    I have a 2nd gen AL Nomad bought in late summer 2009, bearings were original till this summer (2014). I changed bearings, added the Float X, and a few other parts non-suspension related. I used to have a DHX 5.0 coil, then for the last 2 years had a RP23 with propedal (freshly services last winter).

    First ride on the bike since the major service and I had an amazing experience riding. The rear end of the bike just tracks so much better and stays planted. I didn't think I personally was a good enough rider to notice a big suspension difference, but I was wrong. Climbing felt great, almost no pedal bob in the 'climb' position. Flat felt great, no bucking (rebound set correctly) and no harshness in the middle 'trail' position. Didn't get to take it on any real technical (Rocks/Roots) downhill type trail, but fast rutty stuff in the 'descend' position felt great. My legs were noticeably less tired after my descent and overall ride, which I justifiably attribute to the rear shock.

    The problem I had was, now that the shock performs this well, my fork was glaringly lacking in any bump sensitivity. (2009 Lyrik 160 also freshly serviced) Too much pressure, no sensitivity, or too little air (correct sag) blows through all the travel, even with compression adjustment maxed out. Good thing I will have a 2015 Float 36 on order this week. If it feels anything like my Float 40, I will have given this bike new life.

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    Anyone know if Fox has the retro sticker kit for the rear shocks available? I know they have them for forks...


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    Quote Originally Posted by LCW View Post
    Anyone know if Fox has the retro sticker kit for the rear shocks available? I know they have them for forks...

    I have 3 decal kits and they each come with 1 sheet for the forks and 1 sheet for the rear shocks. The rear shock sheet has a variety of decals and they are each labeled as to which decal fits which rear shock.

    Here is a picture of my Nomad with the blue decals (sorry it's so messy in the back). Hopefully you can see how they look on the Float X and new 36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrupp View Post
    I have 3 decal kits and they each come with 1 sheet for the forks and 1 sheet for the rear shocks. The rear shock sheet has a variety of decals and they are each labeled as to which decal fits which rear shock.

    Here is a picture of my Nomad with the blue decals (sorry it's so messy in the back). Hopefully you can see how they look on the Float X and new 36.

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    Cool! Where did you get your decal kit? Looks like what I'm looking for... got the fork incoming so might change that also.

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    I got a the red and the white ones from Fox at Sea Otter. And the blue (cyan) one from competitive cyclist here (along with my fork):

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrupp View Post
    I got a the red and the white ones from Fox at Sea Otter. And the blue (cyan) one from competitive cyclist here (along with my fork):

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    Awesome - thanks!

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    Hey LCW,

    Many thanks for all the information. I also have a 2011 575 (25th edition) and I'm thinking about new forks and a shock.

    Couple of questions :

    How did you get the custom tune done on the Float X?

    Any reason you didn't go for the remote versions of the forks and shock? Having one remote to control them both in unison sounds like a nice idea....

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hewittd View Post
    Hey LCW,

    Many thanks for all the information. I also have a 2011 575 (25th edition) and I'm thinking about new forks and a shock.

    Couple of questions :

    How did you get the custom tune done on the Float X?

    Any reason you didn't go for the remote versions of the forks and shock? Having one remote to control them both in unison sounds like a nice idea....

    Thanks!

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    Dave - sorry must have missed this...

    Responses -

    1) "Custom" tune is when you order from Fox. You give them your riding weight, bike year, make, model, front fork used (and travel). I don't think it's truly "custom" other than matching the parameters given to their available tunes. But judging by the variety of the 4-letter codes, there are a crap load of tunes available to match anything. Getting it truly custom tuned would probably require sending it back to Fox and explaining what it is, from the initial tune, that one would like changed (less LSC, more HSC, etc.).

    2) Remotes - many reasons - a) I hate remotes usually - they clutter up the handlebar even more, and an extra cable. b) you sacrifice the trail adjust settings by going remote. I use those so it's non-option to me to get remote. Plus I run a 36 RC2 in the front - no remote for those, as there's 20+ clicks of adjustment on multiple knobs. So not even possible. CTD forks are not my bag. Frankly, if Fox had a Float X RC2 or RC4, I'd go for that and ditch 'CTD' entirely. There may be hope, as a proto air shock with high and low speed compression and rebound was spotted on a Nomad in Whistler.

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    The Float X is a good rear shock…but I'm looking towards the CC DB Air for my Mach 6…I have my X on the "bay" as of now 216 x 63mm or 8.5" x 2.5"….

    It's definitely an upgrade over "the regular Float" models…

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    Random question but I found a float x on eBay that I want to put on my Yeti sb95 but it does not come with mounting hardware. Can I use my current hardware for my float CTD to install the new float x or do I need new hardware?

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    Should be able to use the same. Just be careful pressing them out of the old shock

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    Has anyone sent theirs to Avalanche to tune? Thoughts on before and after? I'm currently running Avy tuned Van RC coil (off my old Chilcotin) on the back of my Warden. Works pretty well, but I'm looking for a Float X to put on it.

    Buying one new though and sending to Craig to tune is more money that I'm into spending ($500+ for the shock, $300 for the tune,) and apparently finding a used Float X is my size is a needle in a haystack. Nevermind finding one at a good price.

    I will say though, if I find one, I'll need to get one of those sticker kits to match my new 36. The matching blue decals on bkrupp's Nomad look good.
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    my Float X on my N3...works pretty well, better than the stock Monarch IMO
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    I'm planning on picking up a Transition Bandit 29 2014 closeout frame (travel is 120mm). I have the option of a Float CTD or a Float X for no extra charge. All of the reading I've done says that the Float X is more designed for longer travel bikes.

    I'm thinking a Float X would be overkill for a 120mm 29er.

    Thoughts?
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    for those that may have the 2014 Fox float x ctd, looking to upgrade my rp23 on my 2010 rocky mountain altitude 70rsl, 150travel. In specific, wanting to have a greater climb capability, stiffer feel. Any thoughts on this helping?

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by 1362 View Post
    for those that may have the 2014 Fox float x ctd, looking to upgrade my rp23 on my 2010 rocky mountain altitude 70rsl, 150travel. In specific, wanting to have a greater climb capability, stiffer feel. Any thoughts on this helping?
    Float x excels in keeping your rear wheel pinned to the ground .... On the decent. I had mine custom tuned to suit my weight, 100ks and the pedal platform is now a bit better, however I think you need to get a hard tail. ( sorry about that someone had to say it). In addition to the Giant Trance Advanced SX which has the float x on it I have a Specialized camber expert Evo with a Fox factory ctd on it, the pedal platform on that shock is excellent but I really think it's got a lot to do with the bike as well.

    The shock plays a big part on pedal efficiency but there is heaps of other stuff to consider, I'm no expert on this.
    Good luck with your endeavours, I will watch your post with interest and hope you get some constructive feedback.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by DSDuke View Post
    I'm planning on picking up a Transition Bandit 29 2014 closeout frame (travel is 120mm). I have the option of a Float CTD or a Float X for no extra charge. All of the reading I've done says that the Float X is more designed for longer travel bikes.

    I'm thinking a Float X would be overkill for a 120mm 29er.

    Thoughts?
    Float ctd would be perfect, float x would be overkill and extra weight would be of no benefit
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    Quote Originally Posted by lbatch@me.com View Post
    Float x excels in keeping your rear wheel pinned to the ground .... On the decent. I had mine custom tuned to suit my weight, 100ks and the pedal platform is now a bit better, however I think you need to get a hard tail. ( sorry about that someone had to say it). In addition to the Giant Trance Advanced SX which has the float x on it I have a Specialized camber expert Evo with a Fox factory ctd on it, the pedal platform on that shock is excellent but I really think it's got a lot to do with the bike as well.

    The shock plays a big part on pedal efficiency but there is heaps of other stuff to consider, I'm no expert on this.
    Good luck with your endeavours, I will watch your post with interest and hope you get some constructive feedback.
    All good, thanks. Sure a hardtail is best to climb, period. However, I am not wanting another bike at this time, so, trying to get a good compromise.

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    Fox Float X CTD - who's tried one?

    I have a Float X CTD (with a remote) which came with my GT Sanction. My initial impression is that it seems to use a lot of the travel almost close to bottoming out in some cases. Not sure if it's due to how it was tuned or the amount of air in the can mm reservoir. No complaints on the ride itself as traction and control were very apparent after the first few rides.




    Haven't fiddled around with the settings yet other than sag. Any guidance on what I can start playing around with?

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    I have seen this as low as 375 for 2014 new one. no remote, 2015 and remote seems 600+. I probably will get it and replace my rp23 for better climbing stiffness.

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