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    Enduro shock eye needle bearing kit

    Just thought you might like to see this. This is a conversion kit to replace your stock DU and reducers on your shock. Reduces the drag by like a TON....!!!!!
    I just installed it on my 5 Spot, have not ridden it yet in the dirt, (hopefully this weekend), but by the feel in the garage it should run real smoothly.
    If you have ever replaced your DU before, this is not much different, quite simple to install and takes a few minutes to do so. The tools they sell are real slick looking for removing the old DU and installing the new goodies.
    I hope to ride it this weekend and see how it does.

    There is plenty of info on the Enduro fork seals web site if you want to look into it further.
    I think the web site is http://enduroforkseals.com
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    For the folks in Europe there's also the Amachete kit... Same thing and it has been available for years.

    http://www.amachete.com/

    However, now that Enduro has them, I'd be more than willing to try them.
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    Should be far more durable than the plastic lined bushings too.

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    Sure, a perfunctory look by an untrained eye might think that's the same thing, but it is not the same thing at all. It comes with seals but no spacers. The seals, when placed two on each side of the bearing do not actually cover all of the inner ring (the "axle" of the bearing). In other words they do not seal the bearing. Our seals are captured by the aluminum spacers which results in a perfect coverage and sealing of the inner ring. In addition, our kit fits 6 or 8 mm hardware since it comes with the reducing sleeves. Not to mention our kit includes all the parts for both shock eyes. The one referenced above is for one end of the shock. Turns out our kit has over twice the parts at a much lower price (you have to double the $24.00 of the other kit and you still won't have the necessary spacers and the additional reducing sleeves).
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    sucky, i have 10x30 hardware...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur
    Sure, a perfunctory look by an untrained eye might think that's the same thing, but it is not the same thing at all. It comes with seals but no spacers. The seals, when placed two on each side of the bearing do not actually cover all of the inner ring (the "axle" of the bearing). In other words they do not seal the bearing. Our seals are captured by the aluminum spacers which results in a perfect coverage and sealing of the inner ring. In addition, our kit fits 6 or 8 mm hardware since it comes with the reducing sleeves. Not to mention our kit includes all the parts for both shock eyes. The one referenced above is for one end of the shock. Turns out our kit has over twice the parts at a much lower price (you have to double the $24.00 of the other kit and you still won't have the necessary spacers and the additional reducing sleeves).
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    is your kit will fit 3/8 axel like on the nomad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC
    I just installed it on my 5 Spot...]
    Great product. Can't wait to try it. Do you know if the kit comes with "custom spacer" for both upper and lower eyelet once you determine what length you need? Or does it has to be ordered seperately at additional cost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by assaf_angel


    dident dig it too much

    is your kit will fit 3/8 axel like on the nomad?
    No problem. Details really matter in this case, though. The 2010 Nomad 2 bikes are perfect match. Not sure on the earlier models, but if you have an actual 3/8" shaft or bolt going through the shock eye, that would be too large of diameter to fit through the inner ring (axle) of the needle bearing assembly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackHound
    Great product. Can't wait to try it. Do you know if the kit comes with "custom spacer" for both upper and lower eyelet once you determine what length you need? Or does it has to be ordered seperately at additional cost?
    The currently available kit was designed to fit the widest variety of frames. We provided the custom spacer guide to allow customers with frames that to not match up to have adapters machined to fit their needs locally. Obviously, our intent is to provide all of the necessary spacers in the future, but this will take some time. What frame and model year are you interested in?

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    First bike I want to try this conversion on is my 01 Intense Tracer. It has the original float shock that has the PUSH treatment. On occasion, I'll swap it out with Romic coil. Regardless of which shock, eyelet bushing (mainly lower) develops play within 3 months of regular riding.
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    So, this is only for Fox shocks then?
    I'd love to try one on my prophet which has a manitou swinger rear shock though....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    So, this is only for Fox shocks then?
    I'd love to try one on my prophet which has a manitou swinger rear shock though....
    it will work on any shock that uses the 1/2" (12.7mm) eyelet standard. unfortunately manitou uses 12mm eyelets so no go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemaniac
    So, this is only for Fox shocks then?
    I'd love to try one on my prophet which has a manitou swinger rear shock though....

    Fox, Marzocchi, Romic, 5th Element Coils, Avalanche and I guess the RS Vivid have 1/2" eyelets and can use the Enduro kit.

    Some RS earlier models (10mm?), Manitous (12mm), 5th Air (3/8" spherical bearings), Cane Creek and DT Swiss use different hardware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur
    The currently available kit was designed to fit the widest variety of frames. We provided the custom spacer guide to allow customers with frames that to not match up to have adapters machined to fit their needs locally. Obviously, our intent is to provide all of the necessary spacers in the future, but this will take some time. What frame and model year are you interested in?
    Chris2fur,
    I have an '09 Intense Tracer. Upper width is 24.4mm x 6 mm bolt, lower is 41mm x 6mm bolt. Upper spacers would need to be 1.28mm each and the lower spacers would need to be 9.58mm each by my math. Can you do these dimensions? If so, I'll be calling Monday!

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    Dave, Chris, it looks great. I might get one for my Turner 5 spot prototype. For testing purposes

    Here's a direct link to the website:
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    Me too...

    The currently available kit was designed to fit the widest variety of frames. We provided the custom spacer guide to allow customers with frames that to not match up to have adapters machined to fit their needs locally. Obviously, our intent is to provide all of the necessary spacers in the future, but this will take some time. What frame and model year are you interested in?
    I have an e-mail into Enduro. I hope to have an answer on Monday as well. My bike is an '05 Giant Reign with a Roco Air Shock (0.5" eye). At least I know why my bike was not even listed, it came with a Manitou rear shock.

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    Are there any cautions on suspension types or specific bikes that are NOT suited for this kind of setup? Or can they be universally used (as long as they fit per the sizing info of 1/2" eyelets, 6 or 8mm bolts and 21.84/85 mm width)? How are they in handling axial loads (think that's the right term)? I have been eyeing these but not sure how well they'd work on my bikes that could fit them. Sure wouldn't mind eliminating du bushings and aluminum hats I'm using now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikinfoolferlife
    Are there any cautions on suspension types or specific bikes that are NOT suited for this kind of setup? Or can they be universally used (as long as they fit per the sizing info of 1/2" eyelets, 6 or 8mm bolts and 21.84/85 mm width)? How are they in handling axial loads (think that's the right term)? I have been eyeing these but not sure how well they'd work on my bikes that could fit them. Sure wouldn't mind eliminating du bushings and aluminum hats I'm using now...
    They will be best on designs which need no or minimal spacers either side. Some bikes, like my wife's intense, have about a 68mm long pin through the shock eye. This length causes a high bending load on the pin which isn't well resisted by mutiple piece sleeve. This situation is where the normal fox type top-hat reducers perform particularly poorly. To get decent bushing life requires a continuous half inch diameter (stainless) steel pin.

    But for the bikes out there which use sane-length shock pins (all but a few), this will be a great upgrade.
    I hope Chris can keep up with demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal
    Dave, Chris, it looks great. I might get one for my Turner 5 spot prototype. For testing purposes

    Here's a direct link to the website:
    http://enduroforkseals.com/id275.html
    Turner 5 spot prototype?

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    Sick, I will order a kit soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur
    Turner 5 spot prototype?
    Yes, basically a Turner RFX built with the geometry and tubeset to test the original 5 spot concept of a long travel horst link trailbike. As featured in magazine ads of the day.
    When the production 5 spots were ready, DGC passed it along to me. 5 or so years later it's still my bike of choice.
    But it runs 6" rockers, it took a few years for suitable forks to arrive on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal
    Yes, basically a Turner RFX built with the geometry and tubeset to test the original 5 spot concept of a long travel horst link trailbike. As featured in magazine ads of the day.
    When the production 5 spots were ready, DGC passed it along to me. 5 or so years later it's still my bike of choice.
    But it runs 6" rockers, it took a few years for suitable forks to arrive on the market.
    Cool. Definitely a perfect application.

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    Hey Chris,
    If I read your chart well, this kit will not fit on a 2008 Giant Reign X1? If so, too bad, I would really like to tr it out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightnerd
    Hey Chris,
    If I read your chart well, this kit will not fit on a 2008 Giant Reign X1? If so, too bad, I would really like to tr it out...
    Sorry, not "as is." We'll have more "drop-in" options in the future.

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    That's really too bad... Anyway, keep us posted when the new options will be available!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur
    Sorry, not "as is." We'll have more "drop-in" options in the future.
    Chris, I am trying to determine if the kit will fit in my 2008 Yeti 575 with RP23...the chart on your site only has numbers in one box, does that mean the kit will only work on one end of the shock? Or that they are the same on both ends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyescream
    Chris, I am trying to determine if the kit will fit in my 2008 Yeti 575 with RP23...the chart on your site only has numbers in one box, does that mean the kit will only work on one end of the shock? Or that they are the same on both ends?
    Doesn't the dogbone end of the 575 use special hardware?
    Maybe that's why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Doesn't the dogbone end of the 575 use special hardware?
    Maybe that's why.
    This would be a good one to figure out. I have heard several reports on frequent DU bushing wear on this frame. Maybe I can get my hands on a frame and figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warp
    Doesn't the dogbone end of the 575 use special hardware?
    Maybe that's why.
    the exploded view on the yeti site shows the shock uses a du bush/top hat reducer setup pinched between the dogbone/swingarm interface - looks pretty standard. it is only 15mm at the dogbone end though so the enduro kit as is won't work.

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    Can I install this setup with the DU tool I have already? It's the one that one of the MTBR members machines and sells on the BST. Very nice, but not as nice as the tool you show on the webpage. I want one right now...
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal
    Yes, basically a Turner RFX built with the geometry and tubeset to test the original 5 spot concept of a long travel horst link trailbike. As featured in magazine ads of the day.
    When the production 5 spots were ready, DGC passed it along to me. 5 or so years later it's still my bike of choice.
    But it runs 6" rockers, it took a few years for suitable forks to arrive on the market.
    Just a few pictures from that proto type era to the 5 Spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGC
    Just a few pictures from that proto type era to the 5 Spot.
    here is the mag ad picture of the prototype.

    That was May of 2003...........time flies when your having fun.
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    Chris,

    Looking at your SHOCK EYE NEEDLE BEARING KIT for my 2010 Reign X0, I see it's only compatible with the REDUCER SHAFT part (and not REDUCER BODY). Is this something that can be addressed with custom spacers? Unfortunately it's the body mount that causes the problems on this bike, seems the top hats are prone to tuning within the DU and the DU wears out prematurely.

    BTW, what does 'DU' stand for?

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    I think DU stands for dupont urethane.
    "It looks flexy"

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    I just ordered two sets, one for the Firebird and one for the Mach 5, so i'll see how they go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitamindimo
    Chris,

    Looking at your SHOCK EYE NEEDLE BEARING KIT for my 2010 Reign X0, I see it's only compatible with the REDUCER SHAFT part (and not REDUCER BODY). Is this something that can be addressed with custom spacers? Unfortunately it's the body mount that causes the problems on this bike, seems the top hats are prone to tuning within the DU and the DU wears out prematurely.

    BTW, what does 'DU' stand for?
    The above was answered to the OP via email, but for others who may be interested, the 2010 Reign X series frames are compatible with our kit on the upper shock mount (between the rockers). This is where the most rotation/wear occurs, so the kit will be useful in this application. The lower shock mount is integrated with an "axle" that passes through the lower link front bearings. See pics below that show the rocker link is compatible (Nominal 22mm between rocker arms) while the bottom is not. Obviously, we will start making the the needle bearing kits availble singly, the Reign X would only require 1/2 of the kit... Thanks to Luc "Acadian" Albert for the pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur
    The above was answered to the OP via email, but for others who may be interested, the 2010 Reign X series frames are compatible with our kit on the upper shock mount (between the rockers). This is where the most rotation/wear occurs, so the kit will be useful in this application. The lower shock mount is integrated with an "axle" that passes through the lower link front bearings. See pics below that show the rocker link is compatible (Nominal 22mm between rocker arms) while the bottom is not. Obviously, we will start making the the needle bearing kits availble singly, the Reign X would only require 1/2 of the kit... Thanks to Luc "Acadian" Albert for the pics.
    chris,
    i see you've updated your site to only list frames that can utilize the bearings at both ends of the shock. how soon do you anticipate offering single eyelet kits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'size
    chris,
    i see you've updated your site to only list frames that can utilize the bearings at both ends of the shock. how soon do you anticipate offering single eyelet kits?
    Yeah, people were having trouble interpreting the chart, so we decided to only list the frames that were a fit at both ends of the shock. We'll try to have the single eyelet kits (and another chart) for the bikes that can utilize the needle bearing kit at one end of the shock in about two weeks.

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    so is it worth to fit the kit in both eyelets??
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    Yeah, people were having trouble interpreting the chart, so we decided to only list the frames that were a fit at both ends of the shock. We'll try to have the single eyelet kits (and another chart) for the bikes that can utilize the needle bearing kit at one end of the shock in about two weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban
    so is it worth to fit the kit in both eyelets??
    The biggest benefit is obtained at the shock end where the most rotation takes place. When both ends can be done, this is even better. Here are some examples for clarificaion:

    1) Turner 5 Spot (all years): Fits at both ends. Ideal for our kit.

    2) Giant Reign X (pics in previous post above): While the bottom cannot be converted, the end with the most rotation (rocker arm end) is a fit, so this works out well. As stated previously, we will soon start offering the kit on a "per eyelet" basis to cover this situation.

    3) Ventana El Saltamontes: Tne only end of the shock that is currently compatible with our present kit is the frame mounted end with the lowest degree of rotation. The rocker arm end is not currently a fit for our kit. In this case, it is not really worth the change. When we release more options, we hope to cover the entire Ventana line.

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    my Blur LT2 is suitable to be fitted with your kit so I'll be running your kit sooner or later just waiting to see it in stock in Chain Reaction Cycles in the UK to reduce shipping costs mainly!
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur
    The biggest benefit is obtained at the shock end where the most rotation takes place. When both ends can be done, this is even better. Here are some examples for clarificaion:

    1) Turner 5 Spot (all years): Fits at both ends. Ideal for our kit.

    2) Giant Reign X (pics in previous post above): While the bottom cannot be converted, the end with the most rotation (rocker arm end) is a fit, so this works out well. As stated previously, we will soon start offering the kit on a "per eyelet" basis to cover this situation.

    3) Ventana El Saltamontes: Tne only end of the shock that is currently compatible with our present kit is the frame mounted end with the lowest degree of rotation. The rocker arm end is not currently a fit for our kit. In this case, it is not really worth the change. When we release more options, we hope to cover the entire Ventana line.

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    opps, btw I forgot to mention that, it's not my case as I use an air shock but may be somebody should be interested in knowing that with the new kit, it's possible you have to raise you spring rate if you are running a coil shock due to less friction with the new bearing kit?? maybe Chris can confirm that....

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    been following this on a parallel thread on the turner board, any more ride reports from other users?

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    Also would like to hear seem feedback, particularly on how much difference in suspension feel there is after. I guess it depends on how much the shock rotates, but would it generally allow the rear suspension to perform noticeably better?

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    [QUOTE=Chris2fur Not to mention our kit includes all the parts for both shock eyes. The one referenced above is for one end of the shock. Turns out our kit has over twice the parts at a much lower price (you have to double the $24.00 of the other kit


    Looking at the Enduro site you only get one set of bearings to fit one eyelet for $22. From the website:

    NBKRWC22 $21.99



    - 0.50" SHOCK EYELETS
    -NOMINAL FACE-TO-FACE SHOCK REDUCER WIDTH OF 22mm
    -6mm OR 8mm BOLT
    (INCLUDES PARTS FOR ONE SHOCK "EYE")

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    [quote=santacruzflyer][quote=Chris2fur Not to mention our kit includes all the parts for both shock eyes. The one referenced above is for one end of the shock. Turns out our kit has over twice the parts at a much lower price (you have to double the $24.00 of the other kit


    Looking at the Enduro site you only get one set of bearings to fit one eyelet for $22. From the website:

    NBKRWC22 $21.99



    - 0.50" SHOCK EYELETS
    -NOMINAL FACE-TO-FACE SHOCK REDUCER WIDTH OF 22mm
    -6mm OR 8mm BOLT
    (INCLUDES PARTS FOR ONE SHOCK "EYE")[/QUOTE]

    Yes. Post was true at the time and necessary to point out for price comparison. However, demand for single units was great and many applications have different spans at each end. Therefore, the kits are now sold on a per shock eyelet basis.

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