• 09-04-2013
    future9398
    for those who consider buy bearing from RWC, here is the reply from them via email.

    Hi, Hiew:



    No, we will send them to you free of charge. It’s our mistake. We will correct the database and change the kit as well.



    Best regards,



    Chris Streeter

    Real World Cycling, LLC


    ]
    (very responsibility of after sales service) thanks Chris.
  • 09-04-2013
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikethepoolman View Post

    It looks like your replacement part is NBKRWC1575.

    Please help. Do I have any alternatives (and yes, a newer bike is in my future but I've got to get this working first)?

    We sold a bunch of that size over the weekend. We will have more in stock today or tomorrow.
  • 09-04-2013
    mikethepoolman
    I think I love you.
  • 09-04-2013
    mikethepoolman
    Thanks Chris. I'll keep checking back for stock and order a couple.
    And, do I need the shims with my setup?
  • 09-05-2013
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mikethepoolman View Post
    Thanks Chris. I'll keep checking back for stock and order a couple.
    And, do I need the shims with my setup?

    Back in stock and no shims should be required for your application. Thanks for your patience!
  • 09-05-2013
    Shadow Wolf
    Chris:

    Which kit is needed for a:

    2010 Gary Fisher Superfly 100 w/ Fox Float RP23

    One kit for the bottom eyelet only or both eyelets? Shims required?

    Thanks!
  • 09-06-2013
    SingleTrackHound
    Chris,

    I just got installing one of your needle bearing kit that I had bought when it first came out two or three years ago. Back then I had bought it for different bike but I removed it when I noticed the play from needle bearing kit when I pick the bike up with saddle. I just reinstalled the Fox DU bushing setup since it was new and didnt have any play. Back then I was following this thread I remember you mentioning to others with similar issue that the play in needle bearing kit is normal. Is this true today? Today I just installed that kit on 2012 El Guapo on the lower shock mount and again there is play there which I didnt have with Rock Shox DU bushing/reducer setup that I removed. I really want to give this thing a chance but play is very annoying and feels just like worn DU bushing. Btw, I have tried contacting via phone # and email from your web site and I never a response.
  • 09-06-2013
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SingleTrackHound View Post
    Chris,

    I just got installing one of your needle bearing kit that I had bought when it first came out two or three years ago. Back then I had bought it for different bike but I removed it when I noticed the play from needle bearing kit when I pick the bike up with saddle....

    When the kits first came out, they included one inner ring (hardened axle that goes in the needle bearing). The kits now include 3 inner rings of varying outside diameters. That info is in this thread, but it's getting to be rather long, so you'd really have to comb through to find it. Each shock has a slight variation in eyelet bore diameter due to machining tolerances. The needle bearing cup gets compressed a little more in some applications, a little less in others. Having the three inner rings lets you dial-in the fit after you have pressed the bearing in. All you really need is a complete set of the inner rings and use the one that fits best. Which kit do you have?
  • 09-06-2013
    SingleTrackHound
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    Which kit do you have?

    NBKRWC22

    Shock lower mounting bolt is M8 so I using the metal inner ring which seems to be perfect fit for the bolt. There is another inner ring inside the package which I am not using. It seems to be made out of hard plastic...my guess it is for M6 bolt?

    Anyways the one I have only came with two inner sleeves (as mentioned above), needle bearing, and two spacers with your company logo "RWC".

    I also have two other needle bearing kit (2 quantities of NBKRWC40) I bought around the same time but those also have so much play I took them right back out.

    Yes trying to comb through 30 pages is bit overwhelming.
  • 09-06-2013
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SingleTrackHound View Post
    NBKRWC22

    Shock lower mounting bolt is M8 so I using the metal inner ring which seems to be perfect fit for the bolt. There is another inner ring inside the package which I am not using. It seems to be made out of hard plastic...my guess it is for M6 bolt?

    Anyways the one I have only came with two inner sleeves (as mentioned above), needle bearing, and two spacers with your company logo "RWC".

    I also have two other needle bearing kit (2 quantities of NBKRWC40) I bought around the same time but those also have so much play I took them right back out.

    Yes trying to comb through 30 pages is bit overwhelming.

    When talking about needle bearings, the "axle" is called the Inner Ring. This is what the needle rollers contact. The only "sleeve" we used is the "reducer sleeve" to run with a 6mm bolt. I'm only clarifying because if you call the inner ring a "sleeve" we won't be communicating clearly with each other.

    So, the tolerances we are talking about only have to do with the fit inside the bearing where the needle rollers contact the inner ring. The bolt fit really is not a toleranced fit. This is because the job of the bolt is to pull the mounting members together to clamp down on the inner ring. In other words, properly torqueing the bolt makes the rocker arms and the inner ring one unit. The bolt does not bear the shear load.

    Here are the instructions to make it clear how the inner rings are used:

    1) Remove DU Bushing from shock eyelet.
    2) Install cup and needle roller assembly into shock eye using proper installation tool.
    3) Carefully guide the “++” tolerance inner ring into the installed needle bearing.
    4) If the “++” tolerance inner ring fits inside the rollers and you can rotate it without any binding, proceed to step 5. If the “++” inner ring does not fit inside the rollers or feels very tight or rough, work your way “down” the other inner rings (proceed from “++” to “+” to “-“) until you find the perfect fit.
    5) Install the spacer/seal assemblies on each side of the inner ring. Lightly grease the seal surfaces.
    6) Slide the shock (w/installed needle bearing assembly) between the frame mounts and hand tighten the hardware.
    7) While compressing the suspension, properly torque the shock hardware to frame manufacturer’s specification.
  • 09-06-2013
    Chris2fur
    1 Attachment(s)
    Attachment 830107
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SingleTrackHound View Post
    NBKRWC22

    We have NBKRWC2185 and NBKRWC2220. Can you verify if the span is 21.85mm or 22.20mm?

    Also, just want to clarify that a needle bearing setup, even with the properly matched inner ring, will never be as tight a fit as a bushing. There must be enough clearance to allow the needle elements to roll. The needle bearing kits are to improve small bump compliance and prevent wear not only to the DU bushing, but also to rocker arms and frame mounts. Some of the OE bushings are so tight that the reducers rotate at the rocker arms instead of inside the bushing:
  • 10-10-2013
    Dictatorsaurus
    I have the Giant bearing Tool kit.

    Can I use it to remove the bushing from rock shox rt3 and install the rwc bearing?
  • 10-10-2013
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    I have the Giant bearing Tool kit.

    Can I use it to remove the bushing from rock shox rt3 and install the rwc bearing?

    Hi. I'm pretty sure the guides in the Giant tool kit will be for the cartridge bearings in the frame pivots and not sized for the shock eyelets. The proper tools for the job are available here: DU Bushing and Needle Bearing Shock Tool
  • 12-21-2013
    future9398
    hi chris, i just get an ibis HDR 650, do you provide any stainless steel bearing kit for the upper and lower link?
  • 02-07-2014
    rodmccrady
    I sent email but didn't hear back after a week. I've turned off my spam filter, so maybe that will help. I thought I'd try getting my questions answered here:

    I'm looking for shock needle bearings and frame pivot bearings for my 2005 Stumpjumper FSR 120.

    I bought the shock needle bearing from you before, and I ordered kit #NBLRWC-1575. I see this number on your web page, but the page doesn't list it for 04-05 Stumpjumpers. I want to be sure to get the right bearing and washers.

    I got frame pivot bearings apparently from distributor BTI, but the box says "Enduro Bearings" and has BK-5615. The part number I see now on the web site for this bike is SBKSPE4. Is this the same kit with a different part #?

    Thanks for you help
  • 02-07-2014
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rodmccrady View Post
    I sent email but didn't hear back after a week. I've turned off my spam filter, so maybe that will help. I thought I'd try getting my questions answered here:

    I'm looking for shock needle bearings and frame pivot bearings for my 2005 Stumpjumper FSR 120.

    I bought the shock needle bearing from you before, and I ordered kit #NBLRWC-1575. I see this number on your web page, but the page doesn't list it for 04-05 Stumpjumpers. I want to be sure to get the right bearing and washers.

    I got frame pivot bearings apparently from distributor BTI, but the box says "Enduro Bearings" and has BK-5615. The part number I see now on the web site for this bike is SBKSPE4. Is this the same kit with a different part #?

    Thanks for you help

    I'm 90% sure this one also takes the NBKRWC1575. There is a very narrow gap in the center of the rear link that the shock slides into. There is only room on each side of the shock for the narrowest of spacers. You should be able to confirm this visually. At RWC we assemble all our own kits so the Enduro SKU numbers don't match and we don't work off of them. Here's what's in our SBKSPE4:

    (4) 6800 MAX
    (2) 6802 MAX
    (4) 688 MAX

    Hope that helps!
  • 11-13-2014
    crohnsy
    Hi, bringing this thread back from the grave... I've got a 2015 Fuel EX 29 coming to me and am interested in this needle bearing kit. I looked on rwc.com and couldn't find a kit listed.. Is there an option for my bike?
  • 11-13-2014
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crohnsy View Post
    Hi, bringing this thread back from the grave... I've got a 2015 Fuel EX 29 coming to me and am interested in this needle bearing kit. I looked on rwc.com and couldn't find a kit listed.. Is there an option for my bike?

    Looks like that will come with the DRCV shock. As you probably know, that has the auxiliary air chamber on the top and so has special mounting in the rocker arms. That mounting includes bearings at the rocker arm connection, so you do not need any conversion at the top. The bottom mount is "Full Floater" which means the lower mounts are extensions of the chain stays. There is considerable rotation that takes place in the lower mount of the shock, so a kit is recommended for that end. The correct kit would be NBKRWC3988.
  • 11-13-2014
    Iamwarthog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crohnsy View Post
    Hi, bringing this thread back from the grave... I've got a 2015 Fuel EX 29 coming to me and am interested in this needle bearing kit. I looked on rwc.com and couldn't find a kit listed.. Is there an option for my bike?

    I ordered the kit listed for my bike a couple of years ago, and it just plain didn't fit my bike (it was a Jamis and used a weird bolt set up). I contacted Chris at RWC and he asked me to send him photos and measurements comparing what he sent me to what my bike needed. A few days later he mailed me fittings that he obviously had made custom based on my photos and measurements with a note that said, "Let me know if this works or not." It fit and worked perfectly. Maybe the best customer service I've ever had from any company before or since. Also, the needle bearing made a significant difference. Even more than I was hoping it would. I can't recommend this upgrade highly enough.
  • 08-06-2015
    saga
    Hi Chris. Do you know what I need for a specialized enduro s-works 2003? I know it's m6 and m8 bolt size but what about the reducers/spacers length. There's no listing on your website for this bike.

    Any help much appreciated as I want to order the needle hardware upgrade. :)
  • 08-07-2015
    Chris2fur
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saga View Post
    Hi Chris. Do you know what I need for a specialized enduro s-works 2003? I know it's m6 and m8 bolt size but what about the reducers/spacers length. There's no listing on your website for this bike.

    Any help much appreciated as I want to order the needle hardware upgrade. :)

    Hi, Saga:

    NBKRWC2185 for the back end of the shock (mounts right inside the link). I would not change the front mount. Just to be sure, please see if your link-to-shock spacing looks like this:
  • 02-05-2016
    ahmad22
    Hi Chris
    whats the correct size for my giant reign 2 2012 and the shock is Fox rp2 ? i think it only needs RWC kit body .
  • 02-05-2016
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ahmad22 View Post
    Hi Chris
    whats the correct size for my giant reign 2 2012 and the shock is Fox rp2 ? i think it only needs RWC kit body .

    Hi. Please use this thread: http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...l#post12452086

    It's more up to date and actually calls the kit by its proper name (RWC Bearing kit, not Enduro kit).

    But, since you are here, your Reign uses NBKRWC2185. Just the rocker arm end gets changed. The lower part is incorporated in the Maestro system and is part of the link pin.
  • 02-13-2016
    Wantax
    Hi guys i have a new dt swiss x313 odl carbon shock, do you know if i can upgrade to the enduro bushing kit? It seens that the dt swiss needs their special bushing kit with the balls joints for prevent the anodized wear coming from lateral torsions

    I have been using the enduro kit in my old monarch rt3 (22.2mm*8mm) and really noticed a better feeling of the suspension when i installed it from the rigid kit

    Any opinions? Thank you in advance
  • 03-21-2016
    Bryan Kaiser
    Hello, Chris. can you help confirm what kit is needed on a Lapierre Zesty 327 2014 bike? Thanks
  • 03-22-2016
    Dougal
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bryan Kaiser View Post
    Hello, Chris. can you help confirm what kit is needed on a Lapierre Zesty 327 2014 bike? Thanks

    The Zesty runs a yoke and bearings similar (but different) to a Specialized Stumpjumper. It has no rotation at the lower (sideways) shock eyelet and almost none at the top eyelet.
  • 03-22-2016
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bryan Kaiser View Post
    Hello, Chris. can you help confirm what kit is needed on a Lapierre Zesty 327 2014 bike? Thanks

    Please check out my reply to your question on this more relevant thread: http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...l#post12540187 Thanks!
  • 04-01-2016
    Squashman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Shadow Wolf View Post
    Chris:

    Which kit is needed for a:

    2010 Gary Fisher Superfly 100 w/ Fox Float RP23

    One kit for the bottom eyelet only or both eyelets? Shims required?

    Thanks!

    Shadow Wolf, did you ever end up putting these on your 2010 Gary Fisher Superfly 100? Thinking of trying them out on my son's.

    Sent from my 831C using Tapatalk
  • 05-23-2016
    Strafer
    Just serviced the rear linkages on my 5spot and had to replace the RWC bearings with the original bushings.
    The needle bearings were completely rusted frozen.
    Granted they were on there for almost 2 years, but should this have happened?
    How often are you supposed to take it apart and regrease?
  • 05-23-2016
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strafer View Post
    Just serviced the rear linkages on my 5spot and had to replace the RWC bearings with the original bushings.
    The needle bearings were completely rusted frozen.
    Granted they were on there for almost 2 years, but should this have happened?
    How often are you supposed to take it apart and regrease?

    That's pretty rare. If you ride in dry conditions you can easily go two years. If you ride in wet conditions, you would have to establish a schedule through trial and error. Staring say with once a month and extending longer if it looks good. You could also pack with a heavy marine grease for wet riding. The cup and needle roller is available separately for about $6.00 so I hope you did not toss the kit just because the bearing was corroded.
  • 05-23-2016
    Strafer
    I ride in dry condition, so was surprised it was completed rusted with no sign of grease.
    I did toss the whole thing in trash, but maybe I will take it out and give new bearings another go with marine grease.
  • 05-23-2016
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strafer View Post
    I ride in dry condition, so was surprised it was completed rusted with no sign of grease.
    I did toss the whole thing in trash, but maybe I will take it out and give new bearings another go with marine grease.

    Definitely weird. Hard to understand how something can rust without moisture. No pressure washing, right?
  • 05-23-2016
    Strafer
    No, only time I wash my bike is when I wash my car and just use wet brush then rinse off with misty spray.
    Maybe my profuse perspiration leaked down.
  • 05-23-2016
    Chris2fur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Strafer View Post
    No, only time I wash my bike is when I wash my car and just use wet brush then rinse off with misty spray.
    Maybe my profuse perspiration leaked down.

    I did not think of that, but it's possible!