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    Quote Originally Posted by ruscle View Post
    Hi Chris,
    Received my ++ inner ring late last week and installed them yesterday. They are now perfect and everything feels solid. Great service.
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    Great! Thanks for the report!

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    Quote Originally Posted by llamma View Post
    I think I read somewhere that PUSH prefers bushings over needle bearings, but does anyone know if they will push in these bearings if requested if you send a kit along with your shock?
    Pretty sure they will. We have supplied PUSH with extra needle roller elements to replace those that sometimes fall out during shipping, so they are familiar with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philip453 View Post
    sucky, i have 10x30 hardware..
    What is the application?

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    Hey Chris2fur. Did a search in this thread for the Legend and I got nothing so what size do I need for my Banshee Legend with a Manitou Revox rear shock? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Simmonds_101 View Post
    Hey Chris2fur. Did a search in this thread for the Legend and I got nothing so what size do I need for my Banshee Legend with a Manitou Revox rear shock? Thanks
    What year is your shock? If it is 2011 or newer, then our kits will work. If it is 2010 or older, it won't. The correct kit (if the shock year is OK) is NBKRWC2220. The same kit fits both ends of the shock. The rear mount will benefit greatly from the upgrade to the needle bearing system. I'm not sure how much rotation there is at the front end of the shock. I suggest cycling the suspension as deeply as you can while observing the front of the shock. If there is no real rotation taking place at the front end, the upgrade would only be cosmetic at that end.

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    Is there any other way people outside the US, I'm on Europe, can get ahold on your products without having to import directly from you guys. Don't get me wrong there is no major problem with it. However if there was a way for us small costumers to avoid the possibility of having to deal with customs and their delays it would be sweet. Especially because most countries do their checks based on declared values and your products usually start up around 30$. Orders with more objects and the value goes up easily augmenting the possibility of having to pay further importation taxes...

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    I had to pay near £100 for a pair of these kits due to UK import taxes but would pay it again as definately worth every penny. You do feel a little cheated by customs as they probably make more than Chris does, especially when they charge you £11 for telling you that they are stinging you extra!

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    Hey Chri2fur,

    I have a 2011 Norco range 2 with a rs monarch rt3.3 rear shock, looking at getting the needle bearing kit but didn't notice my frame/shock combo on your website. Would you be able to inform me of what i need?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubb View Post
    Hey Chri2fur,

    I have a 2011 Norco range 2 with a rs monarch rt3.3 rear shock, looking at getting the needle bearing kit but didn't notice my frame/shock combo on your website. Would you be able to inform me of what i need?

    Thanks.
    The upper rocker mount takes our NBKRWC4115. The lower mount is mostly stationary, so to change it would be only cosmetic. That span should be 23.88mm, so, if you wanted to do it, you would need the NBKRWC2185 plus two shim kits.

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    Thanks for the reply Chris. So i don't need any shims for the upper mount? The two shim kits you spoke of are for the lower mount only?

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    Right. NBKRWC4115 is a match for the top. No shims needed.

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    Ok Great. Thanks for your help Chris.

    Also would you be able to find the bearings needed to upgrade the rear suspension linkage to the max bearings? Norco did have a spec sheet but has since removed it from their website? This again is for the Range 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubb View Post
    Ok Great. Thanks for your help Chris.

    Also would you be able to find the bearings needed to upgrade the rear suspension linkage to the max bearings? Norco did have a spec sheet but has since removed it from their website? This again is for the Range 2.
    I will see if I can track those bearing numbers down.

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    Thanks Chris. It really sucks Norco pulled that sheet it listed all frame specs with bearing and hardware info. I don't really want to pull my bike apart until i have the bearings to replace them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    I will see if I can track those bearing numbers down.
    Hey Chris, just wondering if you have had any luck getting those bearing numbers?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubb View Post
    Hey Chris, just wondering if you have had any luck getting those bearing numbers?

    Thanks
    No. The contact info on their site only allows questions about the website. I tried it anyway, but received a form email stating that any tech questions had to be directed through a local dealer. You may need to tear it down and provide measurements (unless the place you bought it will provide the info). If you provide us the data, we will supply the bearings at no charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    No. The contact info on their site only allows questions about the website. I tried it anyway, but received a form email stating that any tech questions had to be directed through a local dealer. You may need to tear it down and provide measurements (unless the place you bought it will provide the info). If you provide us the data, we will supply the bearings at no charge.

    Ok, I will ask my LBS they should get the info for me. So what your telling me is that i don't have to pay for the bearings for the rear suspension pivot points? Thanks so much for the help Chris.

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    Chris, after just a quick browse of this thread, it appears you don't have a kit to fit the Cane Creek Cloud Nine shock bore diameter...??? Is this true?

    Anyone know what the bore ID is? Smaller or larger than a Fox Float?
    Anything that could be possibly done to modify one of these kits to fit CC?


    I have a CC Cloud 9 on my Iron Horse Azure and I love it! But, I am beginning to develop quite a bit of play in the rear shaft bushing and need a replacement. This is how I came across this RWC needle bearing kit (have purchased several other things from RWC in past with great success, too!), and I was extremely excited to order one for my application... that is until coming across this thread.

    any help here is much appreciated!
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    Hey Chris, Received my needle bearing kit a couple weeks ago and the bike feels awesome with it installed. I did find the bearing sizes needed for the range so you guys can make a kit. Is the offer still up that you will provide the bearings at no charge? Here are the bearing numbers

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    BB Pivot Bearing [ID*OD*W mm] 15*28*7 (6902) 2
    Horst Pivot Bearing [ID*OD*W mm] 8*22*7 (608) 2
    SS/Linkarm Pivot Bearing [ID*OD*W mm] 8*22*7 (608) 2
    Main Linkarm Pivot Bearing [ID*OD*W mm] 12*28*8 (6001) 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeSATORI View Post
    Chris, after just a quick browse of this thread, it appears you don't have a kit to fit the Cane Creek Cloud Nine shock bore diameter...??? Is this true?

    Anyone know what the bore ID is? Smaller or larger than a Fox Float?
    Anything that could be possibly done to modify one of these kits to fit CC?


    I have a CC Cloud 9 on my Iron Horse Azure and I love it! But, I am beginning to develop quite a bit of play in the rear shaft bushing and need a replacement. This is how I came across this RWC needle bearing kit (have purchased several other things from RWC in past with great success, too!), and I was extremely excited to order one for my application... that is until coming across this thread.

    any help here is much appreciated!


    ???
    ...never received a reply from my direct email neither...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubb View Post
    Hey Chris, Received my needle bearing kit a couple weeks ago and the bike feels awesome with it installed. I did find the bearing sizes needed for the range so you guys can make a kit. Is the offer still up that you will provide the bearings at no charge? Here are the bearing numbers

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    BB Pivot Bearing [ID*OD*W mm] 15*28*7 (6902) 2
    Horst Pivot Bearing [ID*OD*W mm] 8*22*7 (608) 2
    SS/Linkarm Pivot Bearing [ID*OD*W mm] 8*22*7 (608) 2
    Main Linkarm Pivot Bearing [ID*OD*W mm] 12*28*8 (6001) 2

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    Sure, just place an order for them and add a note or follow up with an email and we'll take care of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeSATORI View Post
    ???
    ...never received a reply from my direct email neither...
    Could not ever find anything definitive on the Cloud 9 eyelet spec. However, I'm not hopeful. The DB line has two different bore sizes and neither is compatible. One standard is 14.7mm and the other is right around 16mm.

    You could always measure it, if you really want to know...

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    I just placed an order in for the bearings. I sent a follow up email and tagged the order as well.

    Thanks Chris.

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    Gettin mine next week

    I ordered the kit with a 21.85mm span...that will fit the 2011 specialized enduro correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leiito View Post
    Gettin mine next week

    I ordered the kit with a 21.85mm span...that will fit the 2011 specialized enduro correct?
    No, my friend. That frame uses a clevis at the rear shock mount. No rotation takes place within the shock eyelet. The rotation is transferred to the bearings at the other end of the clevis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    No, my friend. That frame uses a clevis at the rear shock mount. No rotation takes place within the shock eyelet. The rotation is transferred to the bearings at the other end of the clevis.
    Ah yes, but I'm replacing the DU bushing that went bad on the other end XD... not a whole lot of rotation there either but I wanted to try something different. I was told that measurement was the correct one for the eyelet that bolts up to the top tube... part number NBKRWC2185

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    Quote Originally Posted by leiito View Post
    Ah yes, but I'm replacing the DU bushing that went bad on the other end XD... not a whole lot of rotation there either but I wanted to try something different. I was told that measurement was the correct one for the eyelet that bolts up to the top tube... part number NBKRWC2185
    I'm surprised to hear that the DU went bad at the other end. Does that end of the shock pivot near the end of the stroke or something? Anyway, glad you understood about the clevis. We have had people try and buy needle bearings for the clevis end!

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    Is there any hope of my successfully installing the needle bearing without the press tools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    I'm surprised to hear that the DU went bad at the other end. Does that end of the shock pivot near the end of the stroke or something? Anyway, glad you understood about the clevis. We have had people try and buy needle bearings for the clevis end!
    The bushing Push put in did not fit quite right. It had too much play even with the bolt torqued to spec. They're sending replacements but i figured I'd try these out. The shock does pivot a tiny bit but not a significant amount. I hope the kit i ordered fits lol. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leiito View Post
    The bushing Push put in did not fit quite right. It had too much play even with the bolt torqued to spec. They're sending replacements but i figured I'd try these out. The shock does pivot a tiny bit but not a significant amount. I hope the kit i ordered fits lol. Thanks.
    Let me know if it doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Is there any hope of my successfully installing the needle bearing without the press tools?
    Ive successfully done it without their tools, but I also have an Arbor Press

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLMike View Post
    Ive successfully done it without their tools, but I also have an Arbor Press
    Yes, it can definitely be done. It's just that if misalignment occurs at the wrong time, the cup that holds the needle roller elements can get distorted. The pilot part of the tool keeps that from happening.

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    Well, I finally got it installed and rode a while. In case anyone is wondering, the needle bearings really don't make a difference in the Enduro lol. I'm sure it's an excellent product but there really isn't enough pivoting where the shock bolts up to the top tube to notice a difference. Oh well, at least I got rid of that play. Thanks Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by leiito View Post
    Well, I finally got it installed and rode a while. In case anyone is wondering, the needle bearings really don't make a difference in the Enduro lol. I'm sure it's an excellent product but there really isn't enough pivoting where the shock bolts up to the top tube to notice a difference. Oh well, at least I got rid of that play. Thanks Chris
    Well at least the play is gone, so that's one positive outcome. We have talked several people out of getting the kits for that frame, but usually the intention was for the back end where the clevis is (which makes even less sense). There was a customer who called us about his local shop trying to sell him a kit for the clevis end. That was pretty fishy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    There was a customer who called us about his local shop trying to sell him a kit for the clevis end. That was pretty fishy.
    Some people... Thanks for being honest about it from the start.

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    As much as I love my Fox suspension I am totally unimpressed with their DU bushing system and the fact that it has taken them this long to figure out that a bronze dry lube bushing and aluminum reducers aren't the best mates for a pivot joint!
    I just installed my RWC needle bearing setup on my 2010 Trek Fuel EX9 and am completely elated by the smoothness of my suspension now. I went out for a 7 mile night ride in cold & muddy darkness on my familiar trails and just love how my suspension tracks through the rocks, bumps, logs and slick mud.

    I do have a question for Chris2fur though. I received the roller bearing inserts marked "++"; "+" & "-" and I understand how to fit them. However the "++" is tight and causes the bearing to index when rolling, the "+" fits nice and the "-" is just too slack. So I installed the "+" and on my ride I still notice a bit of creaking that I heard when my DU bushing was wearing out. Do I need to install the "++" and then expect it to "break-in"? I greased it as recommended & I do have the bolt torqued to Mfgr spec, so I am thinking that the "++" & break-in is the answer....

    In any event, I recommend the RWC needle bearings to anyone with a 2012 or earlier DU Bushing setup. I understand Fox has their new 2013 polymer bushing setup but it is on back order with no estimated date of arrival and I've never been a believer in bushing technology anyway,
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    hi chris, i love your bearing set, but seems like my Santa cruz TRc can't found in model chart. i like to buy shock needle bearing and pivot suspension Enduro MAX bearing. can you please help me up?btw: i sent a mail to enduro already. regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutbert View Post
    ...So I installed the "+" and on my ride I still notice a bit of creaking that I heard when my DU bushing was wearing out. Do I need to install the "++" and then expect it to "break-in"? I greased it as recommended & I do have the bolt torqued to Mfgr spec, so I am thinking that the "++" & break-in is the answer....
    Thanks for the very positive report on the improved performance. As for your question, I think you have the right inner ring already selected. If you can pick up the bike by the seat and feel no play, I would call that good. I don't like the way you described the "indexing" with the "++" inner ring. That sounds a bit on the tight side to me. I'm not sure what to tell you about the creaking you described. That's not a sound normally expected from our needle bearing kits. Even if you had installed the "-" inner ring and had a loose fit, you would feel some play, but I would not expect creaking. I wonder if something else might be producing the sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by future9398 View Post
    hi chris, i love your bearing set, but seems like my Santa cruz TRc can't found in model chart. i like to buy shock needle bearing and pivot suspension Enduro MAX bearing. can you please help me up?btw: i sent a mail to enduro already. regards
    We need to add that to the chart! Santa Cruz has been very consistent with shock mounting hardware sizes for the last couple of years. The NBKRWC2185 is the correct kit for the swing link end of the shock. It fits the other end, too, but that end has very little rotation so changing it would be more for cosmetic purposes than any real performance gain.

    I'm not sure on the pivot bearings! Don't have that one in our database yet.

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    thanks chris. how about the VPP bearing kit for TRc? do RWC got this part of replacement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by future9398 View Post
    thanks chris. how about the VPP bearing kit for TRc? do RWC got this part of replacement?
    If you have the zerk fitting for greasing the bearings, those bearings should be the 7902-1ZS-MAX. They have a metal shield on one side and are open on the other size. We have them available individually on this page: ENDURO MAX BEARINGS: ULTIMATE SUSPENSION PIVOT BEARINGS!

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    Creaking needle bearings

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris2fur View Post
    Thanks for the very positive report on the improved performance. As for your question, I think you have the right inner ring already selected. If you can pick up the bike by the seat and feel no play, I would call that good. I don't like the way you described the "indexing" with the "++" inner ring. That sounds a bit on the tight side to me. I'm not sure what to tell you about the creaking you described. That's not a sound normally expected from our needle bearing kits. Even if you had installed the "-" inner ring and had a loose fit, you would feel some play, but I would not expect creaking. I wonder if something else might be producing the sound.
    Chris, I checked it further today. turns out a little grime inside my seat post/clamp assembly that was causing the creaking. Sorry for that, I thought I had it perfectly clean. Still a happy customer with the needle bearings and my Enduro fork seals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutbert View Post
    Chris, I checked it further today. turns out a little grime inside my seat post/clamp assembly that was causing the creaking. Sorry for that, I thought I had it perfectly clean. Still a happy customer with the needle bearings and my Enduro fork seals!
    Ha-ha. Those creaks are hard to track down, but they often end up seatpost/saddle related. Glad all is sorted.

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    thanks, chris. i got my answer. my friend's Specialized Camber Expert 2012 , also not found in RWC chart . may i ask you what model of needle bearing kit should him buy for his shock?
    regards

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    thanks chris, i got my answer. my friend's Specialized Camber Expert 2012 also found in RWC chart. may i ask you what model of needle bearing kit should he buy for his shock?
    regards

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    To anyone in the know regarding replacing the DU with the RWC needle bearing:

    I know RWC makes tools for replacing extracting the DU and pressing in the needle bearing, but do most machine shops have the right piloted fitting to press the bearing in, or would they likely be "winging it", albeit with a fancy press??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noclutch View Post
    To anyone in the know regarding replacing the DU with the RWC needle bearing:

    I know RWC makes tools for replacing extracting the DU and pressing in the needle bearing, but do most machine shops have the right piloted fitting to press the bearing in, or would they likely be "winging it", albeit with a fancy press??
    If a machine shop can't sort that out, then they aren't much of a machine shop. All the good ones do far more complicated fitments most days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by future9398 View Post
    thanks, chris. i got my answer. my friend's Specialized Camber Expert 2012 , also not found in RWC chart . may i ask you what model of needle bearing kit should him buy for his shock?
    regards
    Sorry! Forgot I hadn't answered this... I'm pretty sure you need the NBKRWC1575 for the rear (chainstay) shock mount. 99% sure and am in the process of verifying to eliminate the 1% of doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    If a machine shop can't sort that out, then they aren't much of a machine shop. All the good ones do far more complicated fitments most days.
    Yeah, what he said. Noclutch, definitely save on the tools if they are doing the job for you.

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    Thanks for the replies Chris and Dougal- I don't anticipate doing this often at all, and the LBS's in my (red)neck of the woods probably have never replaced a DU, let alone with a bearing ( they send out air chamber services....), thus I was considering a machine shop.But if their minimum labor charge is too much I guess I be placing another order to Chris.

    I found in my garage a 14.86 mm OD socket (a 10mm KTM tool pack hex drive for the motoheads out there) that would be fine? for the DU extraction, but would still need the right tool/fitting or someone else to press in the bearing without goobering it.

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