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    okay well anyway I'm gonna use a needle bearing kit for the top eyelet and as for the lower one, I'll keep an eye on it. Thank you for the picture

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    can someone explain for me the positive thing with needle bearings?!

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    Less resistance than a bushing do moves with less force

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    thanks! will order right away. on my bushing it says 22x8, should I go for the 21.85 or 22,20?

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    Amazing shock....

    With more hard miles on this shock I wanted to re-post regarding performance....


    This shock is focking amazing.

    It is very controlled through its entire travel range. I think since it is matched with such a good suspension design (Knolly), any potential negatives with a coil are absent:

    Ramps up perfectly, even better than my air Fox X2, on bigger hits. Then rebounds in a non-bucking, controlled manner, and keeps you planted to the ground.

    Smooth off the top but not at all mushy like one might expect out of a coil.



    The climb switch is the real deal. The matching increase in damping both LSC and LSR really works well for tech climbing. The lever is easy to use, and can be easily applied in a graduated manner. Its not an all or nothing setting.


    When I did have questions for Cane Creek, it was easy and very helpful to speak with them directly.


    5 stars

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    Guys!

    IT's gone, no cracking nuts anymore.
    Recipe: lock your bike in a cellar for 2 weeks , then take it out, hike with it 5 km on a steep climb.

    Have ridden it today really hard, its a fabulous shock! You can feel every turn you make on the dials. Lowered the LSC and LSR a bit , HSC too and it is just smooooth, like you forget there is a shock, he just takes it all and does not let you know..

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    They told me today that they still do not have a fix for the clunking noise.

    "unfortunately at the moment we do not have a solution. It is certainly a priority for us but I can't give you an estimate at this point. As mentioned, you are welcome to keep riding the loaner until we have a solution, or if you are not confident with that, we can offer to trade in the Coil IL for a different shock. Let me know, thanks we appreciate your patience with us."


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    Quote Originally Posted by sohl View Post
    thanks! will order right away. on my bushing it says 22x8, should I go for the 21.85 or 22,20?
    Quote Originally Posted by dreys View Post
    I have 2015 Intense Tracer T275C and, according to specs, the shock bushings are 30mm bottom and 22mm top.

    I've seen lots of folks go with 22.2 for the top, but also some using 21.85. What size should I go with for the top mount?

    So, it appears you already know the swing link end will be NBKRWC30. If you are changing the front end as well, NBKRWC2185 is the one you need. I'm not sure there is enough rotation at that end to justify the expense, so I recommend you check that.

    from a thread: Real World Cycling shock needle bearing kit IS AWESOME

    these needle bearings seemed verry interesting to me and was clear that they rotate more freely, but somewhere i read about them getting dirt more easily ( now loggicaly does not matter as they are closed between the arms of the suspension ..) , but i also liked the offsetbushing idea so it was either A or B ..

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    I did 2 hard rides with my new coil and it's awesome !!! Do you guys feel the stock setting is good for a starter ? I'm 165 lbs geared up and so far, I only added 1/2 turn of HSC.

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    Using the app is pretty straight forward and you should be able to tell if if it needs lsc/lsr fairly easy out on the trail.

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    yeah well the app doesn't work for me, when I enter my bike setup, I can't press next...something's wrong with the software

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    Quote Originally Posted by matc489 View Post
    yeah well the app doesn't work for me, when I enter my bike setup, I can't press next...something's wrong with the software
    I had trouble with the app as well. Wouldn't let me hit next for some of the questions and would often freeze. I reloaded it and same problems. Gave up and tuned by feel.

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    I'll also add that I have just over 100 miles on mine and no weird noises just great performance. I like it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by romulin View Post
    Has anyone tried running this shock upside-down?

    I am going to try it tomorrow and see how it fits onto the Canyon Spectral 2014.
    got 2 offset bushings in there and the coil touches the frame just a tiny bit on the bottom, or almost, depending how its turned.
    Of course i didnt order any normal bushings. Anyways it looks pretty tight so may not be about the bushings. will see
    Could you repress the lower offset bushing in with the hole at a slight angle? So that it pushes the bottom of the coil forward slightly, away from the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deserat View Post
    Could you repress the lower offset bushing in with the hole at a slight angle? So that it pushes the bottom of the coil forward slightly, away from the frame.
    yes that crossed my mind too, however i dont have the tools to press the bushings out and wont go by hand.
    now its heads-down and works great !

    i set it up by feel, not even counting clicks.
    the app does not work for me either (the screen is broken where the "add setup" button is)

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    question : I read the quick tune sheet on cane creek and is it me or something's wrong with their terms ....

    If the fork is bottoming out too frequently, add some more HSC.

    If for example I bottom out while doing a drop, shouldn't I add more LSC, since drops and jumps are low speed compression events

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    Quote Originally Posted by matc489 View Post
    If the fork is bottoming out too frequently, add some more HSC.

    If for example I bottom out while doing a drop, shouldn't I add more LSC, since drops and jumps are low speed compression events
    Landing a drop op jump is HSC, most things actually are. LSC is pedalling and moving your body.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyvG View Post
    Landing a drop op jump is HSC, most things actually are. LSC is pedalling and moving your body.


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    I would be interested to know the actual damper rod velocity that falls in the LSC range. Anyone know?

    Increasing LSC damping may help. Weight shifting can cause you to eat up available travel as you approach a drop, and more LSC damping can help prevent that. But, as above, the damper rod shaft velocity, or how fast you are cycling your fork on a landing is likely HSC damping.

    All other things being equal initial damper rod velocity from a three foot to flat drop is about 10 miles per hr. Which is about 175"/second, or 444cm per second. And that is probably way beyond the realm of LSC and into HSC.

    Maybe a two foot drop would be LSC damping territory. Also, as the shock velocity decreases as the fork runs through its travel, the spring will slow down the shaft velocity even without damping. So, there could be carry over into LSC damping territory.

    So there, nothing is ever simple, is it.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong on logic and napkin math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    I would be interested to know the actual damper rod velocity that falls in the LSC range. Anyone know?
    V= (2*g*h)^0.5

    For a damper low speed is anything that doesn't open the shims. Depends entirely on the tune.
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    HSC changes the speed knee point where you transition from low to high.
    LSC Changes the ramp up to that point.
    You always go threw low to get to high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    V= (2*g*h)^0.5

    For a damper low speed is anything that doesn't open the shims. Depends entirely on the tune.

    So, any idea on the stock range for a Pike ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    So, any idea on the stock range for a Pike ?
    Pike RC the shims are so stiff it's ridiculous. So everything is working through the LSC bypass and it works like an orifice damper.

    Which is why it's like riding a mid 00's Marzocchi Dropoff. Wallow, spike, wallow, spike.

    A retune with softer shim stack and fixing the choke points in the rest of the damper works miracles on those.

    RCT3 has the same issues, but shim stack is ~50% softer to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Pike RC the shims are so stiff it's ridiculous. So everything is working through the LSC bypass and it works like an orifice damper.

    Which is why it's like riding a mid 00's Marzocchi Dropoff. Wallow, spike, wallow, spike.

    A retune with softer shim stack and fixing the choke points in the rest of the damper works miracles on those.

    RCT3 has the same issues, but shim stack is ~50% softer to start with.
    Thanks. Good to know about the RC. More than once I thought about picking one of those up cheap, instead of the RCT, as I thought the only real difference was not having the three "pre-sets".

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    Quick question here...I got a 450# spring with my cc coil but it's a bit soft. I've been trying to find a damn 2.00x500# spring somewhere in Canada for the past 2 hours with no luck. Universal cycles has them in stock but they are asking 40$ of shipping for a little spring.

    So with that said, is it possible to run a 2,25x500# on this cc db inline coil ? The shock is a 200x50 and there's about an inch of free thread so there's room I believe for an extra 1/4" of spring. What do you think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matc489 View Post
    Quick question here...I got a 450# spring with my cc coil but it's a bit soft. I've been trying to find a damn 2.00x500# spring somewhere in Canada for the past 2 hours with no luck. Universal cycles has them in stock but they are asking 40$ of shipping for a little spring.

    So with that said, is it possible to run a 2,25x500# on this cc db inline coil ? The shock is a 200x50 and there's about an inch of free thread so there's room I believe for an extra 1/4" of spring. What do you think ?
    Yeah man. The springs are rated at lbs to move 1 inch so it's the same rate no matter what. The difference is the 2.0 vs 2.25 so as long as the free length of the spring fits you should be fine. I think you'd be okay as you are running a 200 E2E shock. I'm running the exact spring you're looking at on my 200x57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matc489 View Post
    So I was about to pull the trigger and get that coil shock but it seems most people are having trouble with the clunking noise thing ? I never never lock my rear shock for long climbs so could this avoid the problem at all ? It's a bummer, it's the only 200x50 coil on the market for my devinci troy...
    Mine is the same size, installed on a Lenz Fatillac, absolutely love it, won't go back to an air can.

    No idea what the issue is with some users, but mine is quiet and functions perfect.

    I wonder if some bikes have quirky fit issue with the coil...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Mine is the same size, installed on a Lenz Fatillac, absolutely love it, won't go back to an air can.

    No idea what the issue is with some users, but mine is quiet and functions perfect.

    I wonder if some bikes have quirky fit issue with the coil...
    Turn on the climb switch and squirm the suspension, see if u could hear the clunking sound? There's no sound when climb switch is off.

    Absolutely not the fitment issues as the sound come from the damper itself. And cane creek do admit this issue which has no solution as of now.

    I am taking their offer to change to DBCoil CS instead. Although it's heavier and incompatible with OPT remote, I think I can live with considering the performance outweighs all of them.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Keithyk View Post
    Turn on the climb switch and squirm the suspension, see if u could hear the clunking sound? There's no sound when climb switch is off.

    Absolutely not the fitment issues as the sound come from the damper itself. And cane creek do admit this issue which has no solution as of now.

    I am taking their offer to change to DBCoil CS instead. Although it's heavier and incompatible with OPT remote, I think I can live with considering the performance outweighs all of them.




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    I ended taking them up on the DBCoil CS. No more issues and handles like a champ


    Hope everyone else has better luck with the IL damper..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle_Sauce View Post
    They told me today that they still do not have a fix for the clunking noise.

    "unfortunately at the moment we do not have a solution. It is certainly a priority for us but I can't give you an estimate at this point. As mentioned, you are welcome to keep riding the loaner until we have a solution, or if you are not confident with that, we can offer to trade in the Coil IL for a different shock. Let me know, thanks we appreciate your patience with us."


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    I have a newer CC Coil IL - came stock on my Knolly Endorphin and it has the black switch.

    No knocking whatsoever - CS on/CS off, all the same.

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    I'm sure that I'm dooming myself but I've been riding my IL all summer and haven't had any problems. I have the original gold CS. On or off no problems. I've more than once accidentally left the CS on for a decent. Even with some little drops and jumps and no clunking or weird noises during or after. I'm not doubting that some of you are having issues but just want to report that some of are not.

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    I had the gold lever, sent it back, they rebuilt it, that one kept knocking, sent that one back and they sent me the "new" damper with the black lever which also knocked right out of the gate which was strange. Have about 80 miles on the new DBCoil CS and haven't had any issues yet thankfully...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle_Sauce View Post


    I ended taking them up on the DBCoil CS. No more issues and handles like a champ


    Hope everyone else has better luck with the IL damper..
    That's great! Enjoy your ride

    Can't wait for me replacement to arrive which should be next week




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    Hello all, I ordered a CCDB Coil IL and, while I wait for it, I am trying to know what is this shock´s eyelet diameter?

    Cane Creek has some shocks that are 15mm and others are 14.7mm... and I have not been able to find which one is the Coil IL.

    Thank you very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle_Sauce View Post


    I ended taking them up on the DBCoil CS. No more issues and handles like a champ


    Hope everyone else has better luck with the IL damper..
    Hi anyway, is there a difference between IL and this? Is there any noticeable performance difference?

    Also is the weight noticeable?

    My replacement will be arriving next Monday...


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    there is a significant weight difference and the IL uses a bladder not an IFP so is more sensitive.

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    Dumb question....I've just bought a used dbinline coil. I read somewhere that I should start with (turns) 2,2,7&10 on each adjustment. Is that wind right back then 2 clicks clockwise etc? As you look at the shock with the pedal assist at the top or anti clockwise?

    Also any further tips I.e more turns. I'm a Luddite. I need telling!

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    Tuning depends on the bike and rider. Use the app

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horacek View Post
    Dumb question....I've just bought a used dbinline coil. I read somewhere that I should start with (turns) 2,2,7&10 on each adjustment. Is that wind right back then 2 clicks clockwise etc? As you look at the shock with the pedal assist at the top or anti clockwise?

    Also any further tips I.e more turns. I'm a Luddite. I need telling!
    Back them all out counter clockwise to zero. As Poah eluded to, each frame is going to have a unique baseline to start with. Cane Creek has a lot of baseline settings for specific models on their app. The one that you mentioned is a relatively neutral starting point if your bike is one that is not listed. Then the fun part of fine tuning the shock to your desired settings begins. Keep a log of your damper settings along with preload. Make note of all changes.

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    Tuning order (for all suspension).

    Spring rate.
    Ride height (preload)
    LS rebound.
    HS rebound.
    LS compression.
    HS compression.

    These can all be set in a carpark. Then iterate again through the rebound and compression on a trail ride.
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    Sorry for your problems, but my Coil IL is working great, I use the damper switch for climbs, often forgetting to flip it up as I start descending, works great though it's not a lock out, plenty of big hits, long downhills, and all day rides.

    I'm 195#, running a 650# Fox steel coil, had to grind the inside of the spring a bit to fit the larger perch and adjustmenet ring of the CC. What I love is that I can give it a 1/4 twist either way to adjust feel, so much easier and more effective than adding air.

    The CC IL is an amazing little coil shock, and the only penalty is a few ounces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keithyk View Post
    Turn on the climb switch and squirm the suspension, see if u could hear the clunking sound? There's no sound when climb switch is off.

    Absolutely not the fitment issues as the sound come from the damper itself. And cane creek do admit this issue which has no solution as of now.

    I am taking their offer to change to DBCoil CS instead. Although it's heavier and incompatible with OPT remote, I think I can live with considering the performance outweighs all of them.




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    why not just buy a new proper sized spring?

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