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    okay well anyway I'm gonna use a needle bearing kit for the top eyelet and as for the lower one, I'll keep an eye on it. Thank you for the picture

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    can someone explain for me the positive thing with needle bearings?!

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    Less resistance than a bushing do moves with less force

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    thanks! will order right away. on my bushing it says 22x8, should I go for the 21.85 or 22,20?

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    Amazing shock....

    With more hard miles on this shock I wanted to re-post regarding performance....


    This shock is focking amazing.

    It is very controlled through its entire travel range. I think since it is matched with such a good suspension design (Knolly), any potential negatives with a coil are absent:

    Ramps up perfectly, even better than my air Fox X2, on bigger hits. Then rebounds in a non-bucking, controlled manner, and keeps you planted to the ground.

    Smooth off the top but not at all mushy like one might expect out of a coil.



    The climb switch is the real deal. The matching increase in damping both LSC and LSR really works well for tech climbing. The lever is easy to use, and can be easily applied in a graduated manner. Its not an all or nothing setting.


    When I did have questions for Cane Creek, it was easy and very helpful to speak with them directly.


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    Guys!

    IT's gone, no cracking nuts anymore.
    Recipe: lock your bike in a cellar for 2 weeks , then take it out, hike with it 5 km on a steep climb.

    Have ridden it today really hard, its a fabulous shock! You can feel every turn you make on the dials. Lowered the LSC and LSR a bit , HSC too and it is just smooooth, like you forget there is a shock, he just takes it all and does not let you know..

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    They told me today that they still do not have a fix for the clunking noise.

    "unfortunately at the moment we do not have a solution. It is certainly a priority for us but I can't give you an estimate at this point. As mentioned, you are welcome to keep riding the loaner until we have a solution, or if you are not confident with that, we can offer to trade in the Coil IL for a different shock. Let me know, thanks we appreciate your patience with us."


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    Quote Originally Posted by sohl View Post
    thanks! will order right away. on my bushing it says 22x8, should I go for the 21.85 or 22,20?
    Quote Originally Posted by dreys View Post
    I have 2015 Intense Tracer T275C and, according to specs, the shock bushings are 30mm bottom and 22mm top.

    I've seen lots of folks go with 22.2 for the top, but also some using 21.85. What size should I go with for the top mount?

    So, it appears you already know the swing link end will be NBKRWC30. If you are changing the front end as well, NBKRWC2185 is the one you need. I'm not sure there is enough rotation at that end to justify the expense, so I recommend you check that.

    from a thread: Real World Cycling shock needle bearing kit IS AWESOME

    these needle bearings seemed verry interesting to me and was clear that they rotate more freely, but somewhere i read about them getting dirt more easily ( now loggicaly does not matter as they are closed between the arms of the suspension ..) , but i also liked the offsetbushing idea so it was either A or B ..

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    I did 2 hard rides with my new coil and it's awesome !!! Do you guys feel the stock setting is good for a starter ? I'm 165 lbs geared up and so far, I only added 1/2 turn of HSC.

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    Using the app is pretty straight forward and you should be able to tell if if it needs lsc/lsr fairly easy out on the trail.

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    yeah well the app doesn't work for me, when I enter my bike setup, I can't press next...something's wrong with the software

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    Quote Originally Posted by matc489 View Post
    yeah well the app doesn't work for me, when I enter my bike setup, I can't press next...something's wrong with the software
    I had trouble with the app as well. Wouldn't let me hit next for some of the questions and would often freeze. I reloaded it and same problems. Gave up and tuned by feel.

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    I'll also add that I have just over 100 miles on mine and no weird noises just great performance. I like it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by romulin View Post
    Has anyone tried running this shock upside-down?

    I am going to try it tomorrow and see how it fits onto the Canyon Spectral 2014.
    got 2 offset bushings in there and the coil touches the frame just a tiny bit on the bottom, or almost, depending how its turned.
    Of course i didnt order any normal bushings. Anyways it looks pretty tight so may not be about the bushings. will see
    Could you repress the lower offset bushing in with the hole at a slight angle? So that it pushes the bottom of the coil forward slightly, away from the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deserat View Post
    Could you repress the lower offset bushing in with the hole at a slight angle? So that it pushes the bottom of the coil forward slightly, away from the frame.
    yes that crossed my mind too, however i dont have the tools to press the bushings out and wont go by hand.
    now its heads-down and works great !

    i set it up by feel, not even counting clicks.
    the app does not work for me either (the screen is broken where the "add setup" button is)

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    question : I read the quick tune sheet on cane creek and is it me or something's wrong with their terms ....

    If the fork is bottoming out too frequently, add some more HSC.

    If for example I bottom out while doing a drop, shouldn't I add more LSC, since drops and jumps are low speed compression events

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    Quote Originally Posted by matc489 View Post
    If the fork is bottoming out too frequently, add some more HSC.

    If for example I bottom out while doing a drop, shouldn't I add more LSC, since drops and jumps are low speed compression events
    Landing a drop op jump is HSC, most things actually are. LSC is pedalling and moving your body.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyvG View Post
    Landing a drop op jump is HSC, most things actually are. LSC is pedalling and moving your body.


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    I would be interested to know the actual damper rod velocity that falls in the LSC range. Anyone know?

    Increasing LSC damping may help. Weight shifting can cause you to eat up available travel as you approach a drop, and more LSC damping can help prevent that. But, as above, the damper rod shaft velocity, or how fast you are cycling your fork on a landing is likely HSC damping.

    All other things being equal initial damper rod velocity from a three foot to flat drop is about 10 miles per hr. Which is about 175"/second, or 444cm per second. And that is probably way beyond the realm of LSC and into HSC.

    Maybe a two foot drop would be LSC damping territory. Also, as the shock velocity decreases as the fork runs through its travel, the spring will slow down the shaft velocity even without damping. So, there could be carry over into LSC damping territory.

    So there, nothing is ever simple, is it.

    Please correct me if I'm wrong on logic and napkin math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    I would be interested to know the actual damper rod velocity that falls in the LSC range. Anyone know?
    V= (2*g*h)^0.5

    For a damper low speed is anything that doesn't open the shims. Depends entirely on the tune.
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    HSC changes the speed knee point where you transition from low to high.
    LSC Changes the ramp up to that point.
    You always go threw low to get to high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    V= (2*g*h)^0.5

    For a damper low speed is anything that doesn't open the shims. Depends entirely on the tune.

    So, any idea on the stock range for a Pike ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    So, any idea on the stock range for a Pike ?
    Pike RC the shims are so stiff it's ridiculous. So everything is working through the LSC bypass and it works like an orifice damper.

    Which is why it's like riding a mid 00's Marzocchi Dropoff. Wallow, spike, wallow, spike.

    A retune with softer shim stack and fixing the choke points in the rest of the damper works miracles on those.

    RCT3 has the same issues, but shim stack is ~50% softer to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    Pike RC the shims are so stiff it's ridiculous. So everything is working through the LSC bypass and it works like an orifice damper.

    Which is why it's like riding a mid 00's Marzocchi Dropoff. Wallow, spike, wallow, spike.

    A retune with softer shim stack and fixing the choke points in the rest of the damper works miracles on those.

    RCT3 has the same issues, but shim stack is ~50% softer to start with.
    Thanks. Good to know about the RC. More than once I thought about picking one of those up cheap, instead of the RCT, as I thought the only real difference was not having the three "pre-sets".

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    Quick question here...I got a 450# spring with my cc coil but it's a bit soft. I've been trying to find a damn 2.00x500# spring somewhere in Canada for the past 2 hours with no luck. Universal cycles has them in stock but they are asking 40$ of shipping for a little spring.

    So with that said, is it possible to run a 2,25x500# on this cc db inline coil ? The shock is a 200x50 and there's about an inch of free thread so there's room I believe for an extra 1/4" of spring. What do you think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matc489 View Post
    Quick question here...I got a 450# spring with my cc coil but it's a bit soft. I've been trying to find a damn 2.00x500# spring somewhere in Canada for the past 2 hours with no luck. Universal cycles has them in stock but they are asking 40$ of shipping for a little spring.

    So with that said, is it possible to run a 2,25x500# on this cc db inline coil ? The shock is a 200x50 and there's about an inch of free thread so there's room I believe for an extra 1/4" of spring. What do you think ?
    Yeah man. The springs are rated at lbs to move 1 inch so it's the same rate no matter what. The difference is the 2.0 vs 2.25 so as long as the free length of the spring fits you should be fine. I think you'd be okay as you are running a 200 E2E shock. I'm running the exact spring you're looking at on my 200x57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matc489 View Post
    So I was about to pull the trigger and get that coil shock but it seems most people are having trouble with the clunking noise thing ? I never never lock my rear shock for long climbs so could this avoid the problem at all ? It's a bummer, it's the only 200x50 coil on the market for my devinci troy...
    Mine is the same size, installed on a Lenz Fatillac, absolutely love it, won't go back to an air can.

    No idea what the issue is with some users, but mine is quiet and functions perfect.

    I wonder if some bikes have quirky fit issue with the coil...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Mine is the same size, installed on a Lenz Fatillac, absolutely love it, won't go back to an air can.

    No idea what the issue is with some users, but mine is quiet and functions perfect.

    I wonder if some bikes have quirky fit issue with the coil...
    Turn on the climb switch and squirm the suspension, see if u could hear the clunking sound? There's no sound when climb switch is off.

    Absolutely not the fitment issues as the sound come from the damper itself. And cane creek do admit this issue which has no solution as of now.

    I am taking their offer to change to DBCoil CS instead. Although it's heavier and incompatible with OPT remote, I think I can live with considering the performance outweighs all of them.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Keithyk View Post
    Turn on the climb switch and squirm the suspension, see if u could hear the clunking sound? There's no sound when climb switch is off.

    Absolutely not the fitment issues as the sound come from the damper itself. And cane creek do admit this issue which has no solution as of now.

    I am taking their offer to change to DBCoil CS instead. Although it's heavier and incompatible with OPT remote, I think I can live with considering the performance outweighs all of them.




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    I ended taking them up on the DBCoil CS. No more issues and handles like a champ


    Hope everyone else has better luck with the IL damper..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle_Sauce View Post
    They told me today that they still do not have a fix for the clunking noise.

    "unfortunately at the moment we do not have a solution. It is certainly a priority for us but I can't give you an estimate at this point. As mentioned, you are welcome to keep riding the loaner until we have a solution, or if you are not confident with that, we can offer to trade in the Coil IL for a different shock. Let me know, thanks we appreciate your patience with us."


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    I have a newer CC Coil IL - came stock on my Knolly Endorphin and it has the black switch.

    No knocking whatsoever - CS on/CS off, all the same.

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    I'm sure that I'm dooming myself but I've been riding my IL all summer and haven't had any problems. I have the original gold CS. On or off no problems. I've more than once accidentally left the CS on for a decent. Even with some little drops and jumps and no clunking or weird noises during or after. I'm not doubting that some of you are having issues but just want to report that some of are not.

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    I had the gold lever, sent it back, they rebuilt it, that one kept knocking, sent that one back and they sent me the "new" damper with the black lever which also knocked right out of the gate which was strange. Have about 80 miles on the new DBCoil CS and haven't had any issues yet thankfully...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle_Sauce View Post


    I ended taking them up on the DBCoil CS. No more issues and handles like a champ


    Hope everyone else has better luck with the IL damper..
    That's great! Enjoy your ride

    Can't wait for me replacement to arrive which should be next week




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    Hello all, I ordered a CCDB Coil IL and, while I wait for it, I am trying to know what is this shockīs eyelet diameter?

    Cane Creek has some shocks that are 15mm and others are 14.7mm... and I have not been able to find which one is the Coil IL.

    Thank you very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle_Sauce View Post


    I ended taking them up on the DBCoil CS. No more issues and handles like a champ


    Hope everyone else has better luck with the IL damper..
    Hi anyway, is there a difference between IL and this? Is there any noticeable performance difference?

    Also is the weight noticeable?

    My replacement will be arriving next Monday...


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    there is a significant weight difference and the IL uses a bladder not an IFP so is more sensitive.

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    Dumb question....I've just bought a used dbinline coil. I read somewhere that I should start with (turns) 2,2,7&10 on each adjustment. Is that wind right back then 2 clicks clockwise etc? As you look at the shock with the pedal assist at the top or anti clockwise?

    Also any further tips I.e more turns. I'm a Luddite. I need telling!

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    Tuning depends on the bike and rider. Use the app

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horacek View Post
    Dumb question....I've just bought a used dbinline coil. I read somewhere that I should start with (turns) 2,2,7&10 on each adjustment. Is that wind right back then 2 clicks clockwise etc? As you look at the shock with the pedal assist at the top or anti clockwise?

    Also any further tips I.e more turns. I'm a Luddite. I need telling!
    Back them all out counter clockwise to zero. As Poah eluded to, each frame is going to have a unique baseline to start with. Cane Creek has a lot of baseline settings for specific models on their app. The one that you mentioned is a relatively neutral starting point if your bike is one that is not listed. Then the fun part of fine tuning the shock to your desired settings begins. Keep a log of your damper settings along with preload. Make note of all changes.

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    Tuning order (for all suspension).

    Spring rate.
    Ride height (preload)
    LS rebound.
    HS rebound.
    LS compression.
    HS compression.

    These can all be set in a carpark. Then iterate again through the rebound and compression on a trail ride.
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    Sorry for your problems, but my Coil IL is working great, I use the damper switch for climbs, often forgetting to flip it up as I start descending, works great though it's not a lock out, plenty of big hits, long downhills, and all day rides.

    I'm 195#, running a 650# Fox steel coil, had to grind the inside of the spring a bit to fit the larger perch and adjustmenet ring of the CC. What I love is that I can give it a 1/4 twist either way to adjust feel, so much easier and more effective than adding air.

    The CC IL is an amazing little coil shock, and the only penalty is a few ounces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keithyk View Post
    Turn on the climb switch and squirm the suspension, see if u could hear the clunking sound? There's no sound when climb switch is off.

    Absolutely not the fitment issues as the sound come from the damper itself. And cane creek do admit this issue which has no solution as of now.

    I am taking their offer to change to DBCoil CS instead. Although it's heavier and incompatible with OPT remote, I think I can live with considering the performance outweighs all of them.




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    why not just buy a new proper sized spring?

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    Anyone know the diameter of the gold body on the IL ?. It doesn't have the black protective plastic sleeve like the regular CCDB. If it's smaller in diameter, I have several Ti springs I could possibly use if they don't rub.

    Thanks in Advance.
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    still needs the same sized ID as the coil CS

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    Quote Originally Posted by POAH View Post
    why not just buy a new proper sized spring?
    It's the spring I had, works fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC View Post
    Anyone know the diameter of the gold body on the IL ?. It doesn't have the black protective plastic sleeve like the regular CCDB. If it's smaller in diameter, I have several Ti springs I could possibly use if they don't rub.

    Thanks in Advance.
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    It's not the body that determines ID, it's the perch/base and preload ring diameter. Fox is slightly smaller than CC.

    Great fockin shock, too stuff reduce preload a 1/4 turn, too soft increase preload a 1/4 turn.

    Screw air shocks!

    Now I want lightweight spring fork for plus/fat minus.

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    Good stuff all. Following.

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    Late to the party, perhaps, but after a miserable ride on a NOS 2016 Hightower CC (the shop I get hook ups from had somehow not sold it and gave me a deal) with a Monarch RT3, I sprung for the DBCoil IL. CC wasn't responsive to any of my email inquiries and I ordered it through Jenson.

    A few hiccups, thus far: Jenson though I needed a 2.25x400, but I couldn't get it on with the spacer without zip ties (not a good sign). I have a 2.00x400 coming tomorrow. I am 145 pounds, add ten or so for gear and the calculator still has me in the 400 lb range. I am not sure if I should use the 2.00x400 or keep tinkering with the too long (and thus preloaded) 2.25 and order a 2.00x450 to see how it feels. I almost feel like I should try to get a little less sag (I kind of eyeballed it, which is not how I usually do things) with the longer spring and put some more time on it.

    I was having what I thought were bottoming out issues, as if I was riding too far into the travel, but just sitting on the bike the sag looked right. I hit some pretty rough high speed trails, with little kickers and smaller rock drops as well as some super clunky (e.g. bigger rocks, rock garden) stuff and the suspension felt very active. I didn't use the climb switch except on some very smooth climbing sections and, since I'm also a part time roadie and really try to keep my spin smooth, didn't see a huge difference.

    I put HSC way up, which might be a mistake. Still just not sure if, despite the math, the 400lb is too light.

    However, despite the fact that coils are not progressive, the Hightower seems like a much more capable, comfortable bike in the rough than it did with the Monarch. I haven't gotten the HSC/HSR really balanced yet. (Using the app, of course.) Trying to find a good blend of pop and big hit performance. Any advice would be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezweave View Post
    Late to the party, perhaps, but after a miserable ride on a NOS 2016 Hightower CC (the shop I get hook ups from had somehow not sold it and gave me a deal) with a Monarch RT3, I sprung for the DBCoil IL. CC wasn't responsive to any of my email inquiries and I ordered it through Jenson.

    A few hiccups, thus far: Jenson though I needed a 2.25x400, but I couldn't get it on with the spacer without zip ties (not a good sign). I have a 2.00x400 coming tomorrow. I am 145 pounds, add ten or so for gear and the calculator still has me in the 400 lb range. I am not sure if I should use the 2.00x400 or keep tinkering with the too long (and thus preloaded) 2.25 and order a 2.00x450 to see how it feels. I almost feel like I should try to get a little less sag (I kind of eyeballed it, which is not how I usually do things) with the longer spring and put some more time on it.

    I was having what I thought were bottoming out issues, as if I was riding too far into the travel, but just sitting on the bike the sag looked right. I hit some pretty rough high speed trails, with little kickers and smaller rock drops as well as some super clunky (e.g. bigger rocks, rock garden) stuff and the suspension felt very active. I didn't use the climb switch except on some very smooth climbing sections and, since I'm also a part time roadie and really try to keep my spin smooth, didn't see a huge difference.

    I put HSC way up, which might be a mistake. Still just not sure if, despite the math, the 400lb is too light.

    However, despite the fact that coils are not progressive, the Hightower seems like a much more capable, comfortable bike in the rough than it did with the Monarch. I haven't gotten the HSC/HSR really balanced yet. (Using the app, of course.) Trying to find a good blend of pop and big hit performance. Any advice would be awesome.

    Will give it a shot....


    Unless a bike has a completely wrong leverage curve/numbers a coil will likely make the suspension feel better through chunk and chatter.

    Most SC VPP bikes have a funky leverage curve. I've had two of their VPP bikes and have tested a few others. They've all felt the same to me. Chattery through the fast stuff and blew through their travel too fast on bigger hits. The bikes felt like they had a lot less travel than their numbers would suggest.

    Upping the HSC will help prevent bottom out but will also make the shock feel harsher than need through its full range of travel. For example, small high speed rooty hits will feel chattery. IMO I think their suspension is not supportive enough mid-travel, you then use of too much of it, then hit the bottom end too quickly. Instead of a slow, steady, progressive curve.

    To support what I've said about those curves one can look at what they've done with the Nomad 4. They changed it to have that type of straight, progressive leverage curve. That is why people are saying it feels so great.

    Perhaps upping the LSC may prevent you from using too much travel (keeping stroke in reserve) by keeping you higher up in the shock stroke. I know my SC took harder hits better when I ran the shock in "trail mode" vs "open" mode, which I think for the most part just increases LSC.

    Just make sure you've got close to the correct sag on the coil. A bit off one way or the other should not make that much difference IMO.

    Unfortunately I'm betting that playing with different spring rates will not fix the issue.

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    Will give it a shot....


    Unless a bike has a completely wrong leverage curve/numbers a coil will likely make the suspension feel better through chunk and chatter.

    Most SC VPP bikes have a funky leverage curve. I've had two of their VPP bikes and have tested a few others. They've all felt the same to me. Chattery through the fast stuff and blew through their travel too fast on bigger hits. The bikes felt like they had a lot less travel than their numbers would suggest.

    Upping the HSC will help prevent bottom out but will also make the shock feel harsher than need through its full range of travel. For example, small high speed rooty hits will feel chattery. IMO I think their suspension is not supportive enough mid-travel, you then use of too much of it, then hit the bottom end too quickly. Instead of a slow, steady, progressive curve.

    To support what I've said about those curves one can look at what they've done with the Nomad 4. They changed it to have that type of straight, progressive leverage curve. That is why people are saying it feels so great.

    Perhaps upping the LSC may prevent you from using too much travel (keeping stroke in reserve) by keeping you higher up in the shock stroke. I know my SC took harder hits better when I ran the shock in "trail mode" vs "open" mode, which I think for the most part just increases LSC.

    Just make sure you've got close to the correct sag on the coil. A bit off one way or the other should not make that much difference IMO.

    Unfortunately I'm betting that playing with different spring rates will not fix the issue.
    Yeah, this might be a fruitless endeavor (burning money and time). I really could not get the Monarch to be both supple enough for chatter and supportive before bottoming out. The coil certainly fixes the former, even if it isn't dialed in yet, but the latter seems to happen too frequently. Or it feels like it does, some of that could just be the fact that the bike is new to me. If the DB Coil IL doesn't work, I'm going to have to explore air options. Though I am curious to know how those with the 11six on the same bike like it. I know there are folks running DB Coils, 11sixs, and Ohlins on the Hightower and Bronson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezweave View Post
    Late to the party, perhaps, but after a miserable ride on a NOS 2016 Hightower CC (the shop I get hook ups from had somehow not sold it and gave me a deal) with a Monarch RT3, I sprung for the DBCoil IL. CC wasn't responsive to any of my email inquiries and I ordered it through Jenson.

    A few hiccups, thus far: Jenson though I needed a 2.25x400, but I couldn't get it on with the spacer without zip ties (not a good sign). I have a 2.00x400 coming tomorrow. I am 145 pounds, add ten or so for gear and the calculator still has me in the 400 lb range. I am not sure if I should use the 2.00x400 or keep tinkering with the too long (and thus preloaded) 2.25 and order a 2.00x450 to see how it feels. I almost feel like I should try to get a little less sag (I kind of eyeballed it, which is not how I usually do things) with the longer spring and put some more time on it.

    I was having what I thought were bottoming out issues, as if I was riding too far into the travel, but just sitting on the bike the sag looked right. I hit some pretty rough high speed trails, with little kickers and smaller rock drops as well as some super clunky (e.g. bigger rocks, rock garden) stuff and the suspension felt very active. I didn't use the climb switch except on some very smooth climbing sections and, since I'm also a part time roadie and really try to keep my spin smooth, didn't see a huge difference.

    I put HSC way up, which might be a mistake. Still just not sure if, despite the math, the 400lb is too light.

    However, despite the fact that coils are not progressive, the Hightower seems like a much more capable, comfortable bike in the rough than it did with the Monarch. I haven't gotten the HSC/HSR really balanced yet. (Using the app, of course.) Trying to find a good blend of pop and big hit performance. Any advice would be awesome.
    I'm not sure what the leverage curve of the Hightower is, but if it's anything like the Nomad then it will start off digressive, fairly linear in the middle and with slight progression near the end, which is perfect for a coil shock.

    Using the CC spring calculator I was sitting on about 420lb so I went up to a 450lb since I wanted extra support for big drops and jumps without having to run lots of preload or HSC.

    On my Reign the leverage curve is slightly progressive all the way until right near the end it becomes digressive. I run only 1 turn preload for 18% sag and about 1 and quarter out of 4 turns of HSC. It runs very well all around with no harsh bottom out. On my old Monarch I used to run 30% sag and rely on the progressiveness of the air spring to control bottom out, but that left the back end fairly unpredictable.

    Basically if you find you have to really wind in the preload more than about 3 turns or HSC more than 2-3 turns to control harsh bottom out then you should get the next heavier spring as otherwise you're affecting your ride quality on everything but the big hits.

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    Has anyone or does anyone know if the CC db coil Inline coil CS will fit a Commencal meta sx 2014 model?

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    Hello all I just picked up a DB inline coil for my 2016 Devinci Troy carbon. I have it installed and sag is in the ballpark (kind of hard to do by yourself). Havent been able to ride and tinker with it yet becuae the weather in Seattle is pretty horrible. I'm about 180lbs including riding gear and I'm using the 500lb valt spring. Really looking forward to getting it dialed in. I use my Troy for everything from XC to lift downhill and I never really got along with the monarch I was running before. I have the shock set up at the base tune recommended by the Dialed app and I'll be adjusting from there. The few reviews I've seen out there say that this shock works well on the Troy. Happy riding!

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    Just got one for my new Knolly Warden-C. I had been running the original CCDB coil for years on my previous bike and when I saw the IL, decided to pull the trigger. I already had a couple TI springs from other shocks, but typically too small of an I.D. to fit without rubbing the gold body. The IL diameter is quite a bit smaller than the original, so plenty of room for springs from other MFRs. Only problem is the pre-load collar I.D. is .02" too large. Fortunately I have a machining center and trimmed off the .02". Total weight shock and spring came in at 460 grams. Rode a couple hours to dial everything in, and super pleased with the performance. Well see holds up. I ran the original on my Chilcotin for 4 years including ~ 15 days of DH park use before she finally blew up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC View Post
    Just got one for my new Knolly Warden-C. I had been running the original CCDB coil for years on my previous bike and when I saw the IL, decided to pull the trigger. I already had a couple TI springs from other shocks, but typically too small of an I.D. to fit without rubbing the gold body. The IL diameter is quite a bit smaller than the original, so plenty of room for springs from other MFRs. Only problem is the pre-load collar I.D. is .02" too large. Fortunately I have a machining center and trimmed off the .02". Total weight shock and spring came in at 460 grams. Rode a couple hours to dial everything in, and super pleased with the performance. Well see holds up. I ran the original on my Chilcotin for 4 years including ~ 15 days of DH park use before she finally blew up.

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    Looks great. That spring must come in at just under 200g??? that is crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC View Post
    Just got one for my new Knolly Warden-C. I had been running the original CCDB coil for years on my previous bike and when I saw the IL, decided to pull the trigger. I already had a couple TI springs from other shocks, but typically too small of an I.D. to fit without rubbing the gold body. The IL diameter is quite a bit smaller than the original, so plenty of room for springs from other MFRs. Only problem is the pre-load collar I.D. is .02" too large. Fortunately I have a machining center and trimmed off the .02". Total weight shock and spring came in at 460 grams. Rode a couple hours to dial everything in, and super pleased with the performance. Well see holds up. I ran the original on my Chilcotin for 4 years including ~ 15 days of DH park use before she finally blew up.

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    Keep us posted on how this works out.

    Sharp looking setup with the coil. How about a pic of the full bike? What fork are you running?

    So many times I've come within an inch of pulling the trigger on a carbon Warden... The Endo I run with the CC Coil is just so good at most everything I ride, I can't help to think how a similar bike with a bit more travel and a carbon layup would feel.

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    I had the Gen 1 Endorphin 2008' which was much burlier than the New one, Then went to the Chilcotin in 2012. The Warden climbs like a scalded cat, so I can only imagine how lively the new Endorphin is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC View Post
    Just got one for my new Knolly Warden-C.
    Looks good man - after 5 years riding CCDB then swapping to AVY for 4 years on the Chili, I can say that the Coil IL makes my Endo 90% of the bike my chilcotin was. Really digging the IL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC View Post
    I had the Gen 1 Endorphin 2008' which was much burlier than the New one, Then went to the Chilcotin in 2012. The Warden climbs like a scalded cat, so I can only imagine how lively the new Endorphin is.
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    Looks great, minus the air shock

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    So kind of a dumb question.

    Anyone know if the ccdb il coil damper is supposed to provide any resistance or rebound on its own without the coil?

    With the shock taken off the bike and no coil I can easily compress it by hand to bottom and it just stays there, nor return or rebound. When I put the climb switch on it is harder to compress but again not really much of any rebound without the coil installed. Like I have to manually re-extend it by hand.

    Is this normal or is the damper blown? I thought I remembered it rebounding on itís own before and being much harder to compress with same settings but not 100% certain.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CogHog View Post
    So kind of a dumb question.

    Anyone know if the ccdb il coil damper is supposed to provide any resistance or rebound on its own without the coil?

    With the shock taken off the bike and no coil I can easily compress it by hand to bottom and it just stays there, nor return or rebound. When I put the climb switch on it is harder to compress but again not really much of any rebound without the coil installed. Like I have to manually re-extend it by hand.

    Is this normal or is the damper blown? I thought I remembered it rebounding on itís own before and being much harder to compress with same settings but not 100% certain.

    Thanks!
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    I have had 2 DB IL coil and both will provide some resistance to compression without a coil installed, and then extend back to full extension at a damped speed once you release it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teK-- View Post
    I have had 2 DB IL coil and both will provide some resistance to compression without a coil installed, and then extend back to full extension at a damped speed once you release it.
    This can happen too. Both can happen, depending on the setup.

    You have to question what's the path of least resistance in which the most oil will flow from the force of the gas charged bladder alone. The resulting force needs to be high enough to overcome stiction as well, from the main sealhead and piston.

    The CCDB IL has a very wide range of adjustment. It should feel pretty easy to compress it with the compression circuit open. If the rebound circuit is open too, its flow rate could* rival the flow rate of oil through the compression check valve, which results it the shaft staying where it is. *this is the big if that my argument hinges on

    If you have a rebound circuit that is set for typical riding, and the bladder's charged to fairly high pressure*, I'd expect the flow of the oil through the compression check valve to extend the shaft, which gets TeK's scenario. *this is the big if on TeK's scenario

    So basically, if you close your rebound settings a bit and the shock still stays compressed, you might need to check the nit charge on your shock. I am working off of the assumption that the factory charge is fairly light* to begin with. *double digit (50psi might be more the enough esp for a short stroke version)

    The fact that you feel a difference with CS on and haven't reported knocking* or freeplay when trying to rapidly switch from shaft compression to extension, tells me that there's still a proper amount of oil in there and the at least the damping circuits are working. If you increase the HS damping, you should feel an even more notable difference with CS on. *if you didn't have a proper nit charge, this could happen, though much less likely on twin tube shock

    Thinking about it, with CS on, the compression check valve should be the path of least resistance. Perhaps by some freak assembly error, the compression check valve is stiffly valved. That'd or a lack of a proper nit charge are both worth sending the shock in for.
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    So called cane creek and evidently they think itís cavitation.

    Should be a warranty issue since itís only 5 months old but Iím not a happy camper.

    They seriously need to get their crap together, their QC is severely lacking.

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    What symptoms did you report to have them diagnose it as cavitation? Can't think of any reason that either oil aeration or actual vacuum-based true cavitation would create that issue (inc. pitting-like dmg).



    teK claimed that he had 2 DB Coil IL that extended at rest. I know for a fact that the CCDBA and DBA Inlines (w/CS) don't extend without air pressurizing their air cans. They don't compress without a pressurized air can either, without force. I should remove the air can on one to ensure it's not due to pressure differential (vac on one side, increased pressure on the other), though I wouldn't know how to eliminate atmospheric pressure from the neg chamber without a vacuum.

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    Kind of boggled that there's some sign of something being wrong based on that trait. If I try to refine my prediction of the path of least resistance:
    - the IFP (bladder) nit charge seeks to depressurize, and to do that the shaft would need to be pushed out, so the IFP can displace the oil that is pressurizing it
    - the oil is able to flow to both sides of the main piston, but which side gets pressure build-up first? There's a shorter distance to the compression side of the piston
    - if pressure builds up there first, which pushes it outward and overcomes the pressure build-up coming from the rebound side, does it close the rebound check valve and redirect oil to extend the shaft?
    - if so, the oil being pushed by extending the shaft has to go through the rebound circuit, which should allow flow as long as the LS orifice is open (completely closed if CS is on)
    - if closed, the pressure from the IFP needs to be high enough to overcome the preload on the HS circuit
    - stiction/friction/drag and LSR plays a role in working against the IFP's pressure in extending shaft

    I'd like to get a sample to act like teK's in RL, but I don't own the coil version, only the air version. What's different besides the spring? A bigger bushing and seal on the sealhead from the IL revision, and what else?

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    If a shock doesn't self-extend then it's lost internal gas pressure.

    If a shock loses internal gas pressure (or just hasn't got enough) then it sucks air in via the main shaft seal and foams up the oil. They also start knocking.
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    Well I told him about the lack of rebound and lack of much compression resistance and he said that he felt like it could be normal and briefly stated that it could possibly be cavitation and gave a brief rundown if it. But I got off the phone thinking maybe everything was ok and went and rode.

    Anyway I got home and decided to check it again and it seemed to be doing what he described as cavitation. Basically very notchy in the first part of the stroke, like thereís no resistance then the damping catches it and itís doing it both on compression and rebound with compression and rebound damping completely off. Also itís intermittent. Itíll do it on a couple cycles of the stroke then go away and come back again emitting a weird sound as well that I donít notice in the rest of the stroke.

    I checked both low speed compression and rebound and they seemed to work as did the climb switch, but the high speed circuits didnít seem to do anything. But I may not have been generating the speed necessary by hand only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    If a shock doesn't self-extend then it's lost internal gas pressure.

    If a shock loses internal gas pressure (or just hasn't got enough) then it sucks air in via the main shaft seal and foams up the oil. They also start knocking.
    Thatís pretty much what he was saying. That it had lost its internal pressure and should extend, if just a bit, without the spring.

    And the notchiness was likely cavitation from air entering a leaky seal possibly.

    Like the stroke is not smooth, you can feel it kind of jump.

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    Yea, send that in. Aerated oil compresses (oil's used in dampers because it shouldn't/doesn't compress), and that will create a lag feeling before the air "bottoms out" and begins to transfer the force as usual. That's the knocking or freeplay I was talking about, which you didn't initially report. I suspect lack of nit charge now. Air gets in when there's space for it, from the IFP/bladder allowing more in or oil leaking out.

    All this time was wondering why a twin tube shock that wouldn't extend at rest would be a problem. Probably gonna see this question again when there's a thru-shaft coil shock on the market. xD

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    - beyond "cavitation", could it be that a lot of oil leaked out? xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougal View Post
    If a shock doesn't self-extend then it's lost internal gas pressure.

    If a shock loses internal gas pressure (or just hasn't got enough) then it sucks air in via the main shaft seal and foams up the oil. They also start knocking.
    Exactly.
    If the shaft doesn't extend on its own internal pressure, clunking will happen very soon. No point in riding it.

    Juse put a ccdb IL coil on my new Knolly Warden. Feels fantastic. Hope it lasts. If not, I've got backup shocks. I had the original CCDB coil on my Chilcotin. It took years of hammering before it finally blew.

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    Just fitted my CC IL onto my Transition Smuggler. Now I need to find some base settings to kick off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOYOHO View Post
    Just fitted my CC IL onto my Transition Smuggler. Now I need to find some base settings to kick off.
    Use the app

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
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    Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
    Hey, hadn't thought of that! No really, the app is flaking out and not allowing me to chose the 190x50 setting so I can't move past that, the lounge is down for the for seeable future and the app / website don't have any base settings for a 2015 Transition Smuggler and only offer the standard neutral tune that comes out of the factory and nothing in particular for 2015 / 2016 / 2017 so no dice there.

    All good though as a few helpful people have gone to the trouble of stumping up their settings, weights and info for their Smugglers so I have a jump off point to do laps tomorrow and fine tune for my likes. Kudos to them for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC View Post
    I had the Gen 1 Endorphin 2008' which was much burlier than the New one, Then went to the Chilcotin in 2012. The Warden climbs like a scalded cat, so I can only imagine how lively the new Endorphin is.
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    How do you like the Warden C with the coil IL? does it take too much pop and liveliness of the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedrosalas7 View Post
    How do you like the Warden C with the coil IL? does it take too much pop and liveliness of the bike?
    I Love the CCDB for what I ride. As far as "pop" goes, you can tune it any way you like (the beauty of having all the adjustments). I backed off the LSC from factory settings 4 clicks (counter clockwise), and one click of LSR. Both high speed circuits are at factory settings. Most shocks have too much LSC for my liking (I'm also a lightweight ~140lbs.)

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    Hi new to this thread just bought a CC DB IL Coil 7.875 x 2.0 and someone told me you can convert it to 7.875 x 2.25, just wondering how? Thanks

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    Hi new to this thread just bought a CC DB IL Coil 7.875 x 2.0 and someone told me you can convert it to 7.875 x 2.25, just wondering how? Thanks
    From what I've heard, there's what amounts to a spacer between the lower shock eyelet and spring perch that can be easily removed. The stroke is limited by the bottom out bumper, so moving the spring perch toward the lower eyelet increases the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbine_275 View Post
    From what I've heard, there's what amounts to a spacer between the lower shock eyelet and spring perch that can be easily removed. The stroke is limited by the bottom out bumper, so moving the spring perch toward the lower eyelet increases the travel.

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    Might be more motion for your strokin' but that i2i doesn't get any longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCooleet View Post
    Hi new to this thread just bought a CC DB IL Coil 7.875 x 2.0 and someone told me you can convert it to 7.875 x 2.25, just wondering how? Thanks
    Did you ever try the above suggestions? I also would like to know if this is possible

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    Yes I did and it worked. Just had three rides on it with factory settings and bike feels different and I'm loving it, this is my first time using coil shock should have done it long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCooleet View Post
    Yes I did and it worked. Just had three rides on it with factory settings and bike feels different and I'm loving it, this is my first time using coil shock should have done it long time ago.
    Great to hear! I'm waiting on my coil IL in the mail currently. It's for my Trance, but I might be moving my build over to a 2016-2017 Reign eventually which is a 57mm stroke, vs the 51mm Trance.

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    I have a question to everyone, will a SLS fox coil fit CC DB Coil IL shock?

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    no, its too narrow

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    See my post on 12-2 for more info on spring fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOYOHO View Post
    Hey, hadn't thought of that! No really, the app is flaking out and not allowing me to chose the 190x50 setting so I can't move past that, the lounge is down for the for seeable future and the app / website don't have any base settings for a 2015 Transition Smuggler and only offer the standard neutral tune that comes out of the factory and nothing in particular for 2015 / 2016 / 2017 so no dice there.

    All good though as a few helpful people have gone to the trouble of stumping up their settings, weights and info for their Smugglers so I have a jump off point to do laps tomorrow and fine tune for my likes. Kudos to them for that.
    You bottoming out much with the coil on the smug?

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