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    Does it not make sense to combine the new '15 Fox 36 with the CC Inline? Is this too much fork for not enough shock? Would I be better off (as maybe a Novice/ Intermediate rough trail rider) waiting for a new 34mm front to save some weight?

    I am riding bettter and since I have lots of MX experience I'm starting to become very aware of the cheap/ pogo like/ bottoms hard occasionally feel of the stock fork that came on my Bronson. It hinders front end traction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    Does it not make sense to combine the new '15 Fox 36 with the CC Inline? Is this too much fork for not enough shock? Would I be better off (as maybe a Novice/ Intermediate rough trail rider) waiting for a new 34mm front to save some weight?

    I am riding bettter and since I have lots of MX experience I'm starting to become very aware of the cheap/ pogo like/ bottoms hard occasionally feel of the stock fork that came on my Bronson. It hinders front end traction.
    you are talking 36 fork so not really looking to save weight, why not get a cc dbair cs/fox 36?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    you are talking 36 fork so not really looking to save weight, why not get a cc dbair cs/fox 36?
    The new 36 is lighter (and obviously superior) than my current 34mm. I am starting to care a great deal about weight actually, but not over performance.

    My thinking on the Cane Creek dbair is that it's too much shock for my riding conditions. We have no downhill (that I know of) here in Texas. And when I make it to a park someday, I'll probably just rent a proper downhill bike. So I want my Bronson to just be the ultimate bike for my local conditions, which I think would be considered Enduro.

    I don't so much mind the price of the cc dbair, it's just that I would no longer be able to carry a water bottle, it weighs more (I don't love the weighty feel of my Bronson even with a top level build), and then it is more money too. Also, the rep at Cane Creek actually told me that he can do an entire downhill run on the inline shock and not overheat it, so I'm certainly not going to overheat it. Of course the fact that Santa Cruz chose a different valving spec for their cc dbair give me pause because the Bronson specific valving isn't available on the cc inline.

    When I ride my bike, the current 34 Fox fork feels like a cheap pogo stick. I'm not impressed with it.

    Maybe a used Pike and a new CC inline would be a better match for my application?

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    2015 Fox 36

    ^^^take a look at the bronson picture thread, there is someone riding the inline and will post some info on the bronson+inline...

    I'm also figuring the pike would be just fine without the extra cost for the upgrade!

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    I'm running mine (26" Float) at 140mm. The neg plate was screwed in with some real gorilla torque, so taking it off to add the spacers was quite an undertaking. Dropping the transfer shaft also required a bit more arm strength than I'd normally feel comfortable with on such a tiny screw.

    The fork is mounted on a Blur TRc. I'm running LSC 10 clicks from full open, rebound 8 clicks from full open. Still tuning HSC. I have 1 orange (10.8cc) and one blue (7.6cc) spacer in place, and my initial impression is that the fork may need a little bit more ramp-up given the dropped travel.

    The small-bump performance and stiffness are absolutely amazing. I'm changing my 32 FIT Float on my hardtail to the gold oil with the new seals to see how it compares with the new bath lube.

    One bummer: my Lunar Bikes fork top cap wrench does not quite clear the crown. Swapping volume spacers frequently looks like it merits grinding a socket.

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    2015 Fox 36

    @amxc: are there any pics from your Blur TRC with the 36? Thanks in advance

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    Anybody know if the '15 lowers would fit on the old uppers? I'm thinking of updating my old fork w/ a set of 27.5 lowers. It's okay if the travel is reduced a bit from 160 (say 140 or 135) as I'm pairing it w/ a short-shocked (128mm) 650b'd Blur LTc. I know the old 26er lowers will take a 650b wheel, but I'd like to get some Conti TK 27.5 rubber in there and still allow for some mud to clear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    When I ride my bike, the current 34 Fox fork feels like a cheap pogo stick. I'm not impressed with it.

    Maybe a used Pike and a new CC inline would be a better match for my application?
    Try a new fork 1st. Plenty of riders have found a new fork actually helps fix shock issues by providing more balance between the two. Is your 34 a EVO or FIT?

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    Ok, here goes

    Float 36 180mm (26" wheel obviously)
    Liteville 601 (190mm) - Vivid Air R2C rear

    Rider weight - 185lbs
    No volume reducers in air chamber
    Air pressure 68-70psi
    13 clicks out of LSC, 15 HSC
    Rebound 2-3 clicks from wide open

    Ridden for about 2-3 weeks at home in UK, now "testing" them in Morzine.
    I'm a freerider (hate that term), but you won't find me on the doubles/ berms/ braking-bumps etc. I'm in the forest, in the mud, on the steep and rooty/ techy ****. This is where a fork's sensitivity without diving through it's travel is a hard balance to find. So far so good
    It's pissed-it down here for most of the summer, so the mud is at it's finest: Good grip and compliance over the roots, great torsional strength and on the odd occasional where I thought the fork was going to tuck under, it saved my ass from going over my tits.

    In comparison to the previous 180 Float (my last set of forks), the improvement is very very good: Had to run higher pressure and virtually no LSC/ HSC on that model to get sensitivity without nose-dive.

    highly recommended
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Anybody know if the '15 lowers would fit on the old uppers? I'm thinking of updating my old fork w/ a set of 27.5 lowers. It's okay if the travel is reduced a bit from 160 (say 140 or 135) as I'm pairing it w/ a short-shocked (128mm) 650b'd Blur LTc. I know the old 26er lowers will take a 650b wheel, but I'd like to get some Conti TK 27.5 rubber in there and still allow for some mud to clear

    Have not mated them yet but I'll try to measure, originally wanted to do lowers swap on me van, but have to feel the air out (my first 36 air spring). Air won't ever have the same rebound response off the top as coil ( I like almost closed ), but it's very smooth and the RC2 LSR needle this year feels like finer/more range.

    Wipers are different this year. From the rings left, I can tell there's lube in there on the first ride..waiting to see how long it takes for stickyness to set in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Have not mated them yet but I'll try to measure, originally wanted to do lowers swap on me van, but have to feel the air out (my first 36 air spring). Air won't ever have the same rebound response off the top as coil ( I like almost closed ), but it's very smooth and the RC2 LSR needle this year feels like finer/more range.

    Wipers are different this year. From the rings left, I can tell there's lube in there on the first ride..waiting to see how long it takes for stickyness to set in...
    So, as point of reference, I loaded up my '15 36 (29er, 150) w/ two orange tokens and one blue one, running 55psi (25% sag) and getting 90% travel w/ unbelievable supple small bump sensitivity. Reasoning for this is my experience w/ the Pike. I haven't counted the damper setting turns yet; can do that tonight. Ramps up beautifully to plow rocks for my 190lbs kitted up to ride. I haven't hucked it yet, which is why I'm thinking the last 10% in reserves will be ideal.
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    10 reviewers of the 36 so far in this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randan View Post
    @amxc: are there any pics from your Blur TRC with the 36? Thanks in advance
    2015 Fox 36-blur_36.jpg

    Enjoy the amazingly bad lighting.

    It's a hair under 24lbs with pedals and the Trail Kings until it gets a spare tube, pump, and bottle mounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amxc View Post
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    Enjoy the amazingly bad lighting.

    It's a hair under 24lbs with pedals and the Trail Kings until it gets a spare tube, pump, and bottle mounted.
    It's big brother...

    2015 Fox 36-915393d1407904034-tallboy-lt-ltc-owners-thread-915331d1407904034-tallboy-lt-first-time-downhille.jpg

    2015 Fox 36-915394d1407903869-tallboy-lt-ltc-owners-thread-915330d1407903869-tallboy-lt-first-time-downhille.jpg
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    Looks like a rock-flattening machine!

    I ride mostly in Santa Cruz, so the little wheels work really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amxc View Post
    Looks like a rock-flattening machine!

    I ride mostly in Santa Cruz, so the little wheels work really well.
    Hehehe... CO Front Range is a bit chunky
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    Had mine a couple of weeks now. Replaces 2013 RC36 rc2. The difference is like chalk and cheese.
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    Are those 26" wheels

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    no 27.5
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    It is good to see positive comments about the new Fox 36. To be honest after my experience with a 2013 Fox fork I am not that willing to return back but it is good to have options. Even of they are quite overpriced compared to RS for example.

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    New 36 on a Bronson

    2015 Fox 36-img_1151.jpg

    Much better than the Talas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harradm View Post
    Much better than the Talas!
    2015 Talas or older unit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riding4fun View Post
    2015 Talas or older unit?
    2014 Talas that the bike came with new.

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    Do you miss the Talas feature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riding4fun View Post
    Do you miss the Talas feature?
    Not at all. Only used it once and that was just to test it out. If you climb crazy steep stuff it might be handy but the fork was so bad I would never, ever own a Talas fork again.

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    Not sure how to compare forks directly but that has not been my experience at all with my 2015 TALAS FOX 36 160/130 29er.
    I use it every ride and, short or long, it out performs the PIKE single air I started with.
    It works so good I will never ride without one and would not hesitate to recommend one to my friends.
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    Had a chance to look at the shim staking in the new 36. Surprisingly simple!
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    Getting my first ride on mine today, looking forward to it. But it's on a completely new bike build, so might take a few rides to really get familiar with it.

    I set mine up per the starting guidelines in the Fox set guide I found online, with 20% sag.

    I will say though, pulling out those 15mm axle inserts was a total PITA. One of mine was stuck, and I complete gouged the hell out of it getting it out. And the 19.5 in/lbs of torque on the axle and pinch bolts really doesn't seem like much at all, but I guess that's compared to Marz's super high torques on their pinch bolt forks, which is what I am used to.
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    Make sure to check that the dropouts are tight after rides until things settle in, especially the drive side w/ 20mm
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    Rode a buddy's new Nomad 27.5 with a Pike on it last weekend. MY '15 36 blows it away in my opinion. Way smoother and more controlled. Pike felt like it had a lot of stiction in comparison, even though it gets praised for its plushness.

    In any case, I would recommend a 2015 36 to anyone, every time, no matter what. It's worth the extra cost, IMO. Plus you get WAY more adjustment.

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    Got a good ride on mine today, man this fork feels stiff. Seems much stiffer than the Pike on my other bike. But I went through some really rough stuff and landed a few things, er, not so well, and I still couldn't get the last 1 1/4" of travel. Looks like I will need to pull the air spring out and take out the factory installed blue token/spacer.

    FWIW, its mounted on a Knolly Warden, 66' head angle. I'm about 210 or so geared up, and 75psi gets me right at 20% sag.
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    rscecil007 - can you give any further comparisons to the Pike? small bump/brake dive..better or same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riding4fun View Post
    rscecil007 - can you give any further comparisons to the Pike? small bump/brake dive..better or same?
    Only one real ride so far, so kinda early to really say. But it seems to be just as plush and wants to stay up in the travel. I didn't notice it diving any, I'll put it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Only one real ride so far, so kinda early to really say. But it seems to be just as plush and wants to stay up in the travel. I didn't notice it diving any, I'll put it that way.
    isn't the real Q how it feels compared to the almighty Avalanche cartridge? you are coming from a Marz 55 w/ one aren't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Got a good ride on mine today, man this fork feels stiff. Seems much stiffer than the Pike on my other bike. But I went through some really rough stuff and landed a few things, er, not so well, and I still couldn't get the last 1 1/4" of travel. Looks like I will need to pull the air spring out and take out the factory installed blue token/spacer.

    FWIW, its mounted on a Knolly Warden, 66' head angle. I'm about 210 or so geared up, and 75psi gets me right at 20% sag.
    Let all of the air out of the fork and then re-fill, I believe this will fix the problem. I had a similar issue. I am currently using it the parks and I have bottomed it out. I am 185lbs without gear and have 1 blue spacer (which comes with it), and running about 78psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhodge View Post
    isn't the real Q how it feels compared to the almighty Avalanche cartridge? you are coming from a Marz 55 w/ one aren't you?
    Well let's be honest, that's not really a fair comparison. That's like comparing a new Mustang 5.0 GT to a Shelby's Super Snake version. I seriously doubt anything would ever come close to an Any tuned fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Let all of the air out of the fork and then re-fill, I believe this will fix the problem. I had a similar issue. I am currently using it the parks and I have bottomed it out. I am 185lbs without gear and have 1 blue spacer (which comes with it), and running about 78psi.
    Wierd, ok I'll give it a try. Any idea what's going on inside there to cause this? I'm guessing if I do this I will also need a few psi more to get the sag correct?

    So do I just let the air out and immediately pump it back up? Or do I need to compress the fork completely when I let the air out, then re-fill, etc? I know on the Fox site I watched a video about changing the travel (I think), and they said when you get it re-filled, you need to slowly compress the lowers a little bit a time, for a few times, to get the negative spring to equal out or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Let all of the air out of the fork and then re-fill, I believe this will fix the problem. I had a similar issue. I am currently using it the parks and I have bottomed it out. I am 185lbs without gear and have 1 blue spacer (which comes with it), and running about 78psi.
    Hey Dude, what kind of sag are you running?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Hey Dude, what kind of sag are you running?
    Around 20%, but this is always for me to measure by myself. I start with the recommended psi and then adjust accordingly. I tend to run my fork on the stiffer side with air pressure and less dampening.

    I have been riding this in the parks for the last few days and my hands feel great. I am surprised at how well this fork is handling all of this stuff. I am riding the entire day. It is great on the jumps as well as the technical.

    BTW - Ryan told me that letting the air out and refilling did the trick. It is weird magic that is happening in that fork when this happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post

    BTW - Ryan told me that letting the air out and refilling did the trick. It is weird magic that is happening in that fork when this happens.
    Yup, appears to have done it. I told Jamie earlier after I tried it, that by riding and slamming the front down I can get all but the last 1/2" now, and that's with the bottom out almost full open. So I'd guess on the trail that should be about right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Around 20%, but this is always for me to measure by myself. I start with the recommended psi and then adjust accordingly. I tend to run my fork on the stiffer side with air pressure and less dampening.

    I have been riding this in the parks for the last few days and my hands feel great. I am surprised at how well this fork is handling all of this stuff. I am riding the entire day. It is great on the jumps as well as the technical.

    BTW - Ryan told me that letting the air out and refilling did the trick. It is weird magic that is happening in that fork when this happens.
    Cool thanks.
    I run my 29/150 version kind of the other way...soft w/ a good bit of damping, at least the HSC side. LSC is open enough to track small bumps on climbs. I also have 2 orange and 1 blue spacer in, set to about 27% at 52psi. Rebound is pretty open tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Had a chance to look at the shim staking in the new 36. Surprisingly simple!
    Did you check out the rest,, was the damper assembly model specific to match the 650b vs 29 air spring?
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    Got a fair bit of riding in on my 36 now and I'm just not where I want to be with the settings still. Its a great fork an tracks amazing but at this moment in time the feel is a mile off.

    I have a 170mm 650b 36 and over rough terrain like rock gardens and rock covered I'm just not getting on with it. Im getting bad arm pump through hanging on!

    I have tried changing most things and the last one to try is adding another volume spacer. At the moment I have one blue spacer in it and was thinking of adding either another blue one or maybe a orange to start with.

    Where are other people at on the 36 setup on a 170mm 650b fork?

    I am 190lbs ready to ride and its on a new Nomad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhill View Post
    Did you check out the rest,, was the damper assembly model specific to match the 650b vs 29 air spring?
    Just got confirmation that they're not different across the entire '15 36 Floats, unless it was done thru an OE spec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    Got a fair bit of riding in on my 36 now and I'm just not where I want to be with the settings still. Its a great fork an tracks amazing but at this moment in time the feel is a mile off.

    I have a 170mm 650b 36 and over rough terrain like rock gardens and rock covered I'm just not getting on with it. Im getting bad arm pump through hanging on!

    I have tried changing most things and the last one to try is adding another volume spacer. At the moment I have one blue spacer in it and was thinking of adding either another blue one or maybe a orange to start with.

    Where are other people at on the 36 setup on a 170mm 650b fork?

    I am 190lbs ready to ride and its on a new Nomad.
    You and I are about the same weight ready to ride, and I went to the same setup I used on my Pike right away. I had 3 tokens in my Pike, and to mimic it in the 36, I stuck in 2 orange spacers and 1 blue. I'm running 50 to 53 psi on a 29er/150mm fork w/ ~27% sag, for a TB LTc frame. I need to do the (-) spring reset like Dude! was saying as I'm not getting the last 3/4" travel. But other than that, the fork feels pretty damn good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    You and I are about the same weight ready to ride, and I went to the same setup I used on my Pike right away. I had 3 tokens in my Pike, and to mimic it in the 36, I stuck in 2 orange spacers and 1 blue. I'm running 50 to 53 psi on a 29er/150mm fork w/ ~27% sag, for a TB LTc frame. I need to do the (-) spring reset like Dude! was saying as I'm not getting the last 3/4" travel. But other than that, the fork feels pretty damn good.
    Thanks.

    I have been doing a bit of research and I have come across this:
    2015 Fox 36 RC2: Ridden in Moab and BC - NSMB.com

    This part specifically reads exactly how I feel about mine at the moment:
    "My first few outings with the new 36 weren’t spectacular. It was robust and progressive, but so much so that I wasn’t able to bottom it out, even in spots where a front fork should always retract like a poked slug. Sure, it rode high in its travel and in that sense matched what was happening in the back of the Nomad, but the fact that I wasn’t able to use all of its travel, and what I did use wasn’t feeling groovy meant we clearly hadn’t unlocked the fork’s setup secrets just yet. Traction wasn’t great, either – so we didn’t have it dialed for middle and deep stroke hits or for suppleness at the beginning through middle of the stroke."

    I have emailed them to see if they can tell me what volume spacers they ran but here are the settings they got to:
    Rider weight: 185 lbs.
    RC2 spring preload: 63 lbs.
    Low speed compression: 9 from closed (of a total of 26 clicks)
    High speed compression: 7 from closed (of a total of 23 clicks)

    They are running quite a lot lower PSI than I am.

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    I weigh about 175/180 undressed, and am running a 2015 160mm 27.5 solo position 36 rc2 on a 2014 Giant Trance Sx. Currently between 69-70psi for trail riding, with 8 from open rebound, 6 from open hi speed comp, and 7 from open lo speed comp. No tokens. Feels accurate but plush. Love it. Sounds like RickDraper might need to add pressure, take out tokens, and speed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    Thanks.

    I have been doing a bit of research and I have come across this:
    2015 Fox 36 RC2: Ridden in Moab and BC - NSMB.com

    This part specifically reads exactly how I feel about mine at the moment:
    "My first few outings with the new 36 weren’t spectacular. It was robust and progressive, but so much so that I wasn’t able to bottom it out, even in spots where a front fork should always retract like a poked slug. Sure, it rode high in its travel and in that sense matched what was happening in the back of the Nomad, but the fact that I wasn’t able to use all of its travel, and what I did use wasn’t feeling groovy meant we clearly hadn’t unlocked the fork’s setup secrets just yet. Traction wasn’t great, either – so we didn’t have it dialed for middle and deep stroke hits or for suppleness at the beginning through middle of the stroke."

    I have emailed them to see if they can tell me what volume spacers they ran but here are the settings they got to:
    Rider weight: 185 lbs.
    RC2 spring preload: 63 lbs.
    Low speed compression: 9 from closed (of a total of 26 clicks)
    High speed compression: 7 from closed (of a total of 23 clicks)

    They are running quite a lot lower PSI than I am.
    Do post what the reply is on the number of tokens, TIA.
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    2015 Fox 36

    My approach to tokens in the pike and 36 is only use if I need to. By this I mean that I use the most psi I can but still use the travel and keep small bump compliance. This way the fork stays more stable and is more accurate. Thankfully the best thing about the pike and 36 is their small bump compliance, so you can run more pressure and still have it be sensitive and have good traction.


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