• 05-25-2011
    travo
    2011 fox forks creaking/cracking noise
    Hi,
    My 180mm vanillas have developed a crack/creak which is mainly noticable when I do an endo/brake hard. it sounds a lot like the noise you get from a sdg saddle when the rails creak.
    I've done all the usual ie. regreased and tightend headset, checked nuts/bolts etc but I'm pretty certain it's the stanchions/fork crown interface thats the problem.
    I know the old fox's had a few issues with this but I've not heard of the 2011 having problems.

    I'm sending them off to have the warranty place take a look but they seem doubtfull it's the forks...

    Has anyone else had any problems? my local shop reckons they've not heard of any 2011 forks that creak neither does the warranty place.

    Cheers
  • 05-25-2011
    bad mechanic
    What headset are you running?
  • 05-25-2011
    ban
    did you check the fork lowers nuts??
  • 05-25-2011
    travo
    yep, all nuts checked.
    It's a hope reducer headset, all the bearings have been replaced and it's all good.
    I've just put my old 66's on the bike and it doesn't do it anymore, so it's definitly the fox's.
    I'll get them sent off and see what they say
  • 05-25-2011
    LCW
    creaking could coming from the axle? maybe throw a little bit of grease on the axle?
  • 05-25-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Funny...........I'm just about to rip apart my front end. I have a 2011 36 FLOAT 160 and a creaking noise when I weight the front end.

    I was going to pull it apart tonight and check the headset bearings, and tug on the fork to see if I could isolate the noise.

    I have my old 32 FLOAT 150 that I was going to swap to, to see if the noise went away.
  • 05-25-2011
    be350ka
    A lot of times you can put your hand on the crown/stanchion interface and feel the creak under load. Hold the front brake and compress the fork..you might just feel the crown creaking like a mother....I did!
  • 05-25-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Update
    Alright..........so it's my fork creaking. I removed it from the bike and attached an extra stem and bar that I had laying around. I even installed the axel to stiffen it up. It's creaking excessivelly when I twist the lowers. I even tried it with my old 32 and it was quiet.

    I guess it's off to the Bike Shop tomorrow and see what is to be done. I've only had it for a few weeks, something's not right.

  • 05-25-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Just did some research, looks like creaking CSU's (Uppers) are a known issue. Probably get the uppers replaced.....hopefully. Frickin annoying
  • 05-26-2011
    travo
    Sounds the same situation as mine, just have to wait and see if they'll replace anything under warranty...... mine are going off today/tomorrow, just glad I've got my old 66's as a spare......
  • 05-26-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by travo View Post
    Sounds the same situation as mine, just have to wait and see if they'll replace anything under warranty...... mine are going off today/tomorrow, just glad I've got my old 66's as a spare......

    Just curious, does your travel measure 180mm's? Or is it more? My 160 actually measures 175mm. Almost seems like the negative spring isn't strong enough.
  • 05-27-2011
    travo
    I'll take a look at the travel when they come back.
    I remember when I got the forks I didn't seem to get full travel for the first few rides, they're working extremely well now though, well, apart from the creaking.........
  • 05-27-2011
    murrdogg11
    I had this same problem with my 2011 fox 36 talas 160 rlc...
    fox replaced the uppers on it.
    i really hope they've done something to fix the problem as my warranty is up in a month.
  • 05-28-2011
    endlesssummr026
    Im having the same problem with my F100 RLC. I got mine slightly used off CL. Anyone know an estimate on how much to gt it fixed?
  • 05-28-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    I'm starting to wonder about the 2011's, I guess that every new design has it's flaws. I'm back on my old 32 FLoat 150 OB and it feels great. Better small bump compliance than my 2011 36 FIT !! Though on bigger hits the 2011 does feel better.

    Problems with my 2011 36 FLoat 160:

    1. Creeking / Noisy Uppers (CSU)
    2. Excessive axel to crown / travel...over a cm longer than advertised. Travel is suppose to be 160mm and it sits at 175mm. Axel to Crown is over 555mm and is suppose to be 545.3mm. I'm thinking it's a weak or broken negative/top out spring. The FOX schematic drawing shows a +/- of 5mm not 10-15mm's. My 32 Float 150 and F100 measurements are correct.
    3. Terrible small bump compliance. It almost feels like I have it Locked Out all the time. Thinking it's because the negative spring is too soft and not doing its job properly. My 32 FLoat and F100 feel alot better in this department.
    4. Air pressures in manual are way off. I'm running quite a bit less than recommended. Could be too the extra volume in the air chamber because it's sitting 1.5cms higher than it's suppose to. Fox says I should be running 95PSI and I'm down to 60PSI, and I like my fork firm.


    Over all I'm happy with the 2011 Fork, but for the money FOX is charging I expect a more refined product. Considering all the OEM forks that I have bought with my bikes have been great!!
  • 05-28-2011
    Penny
    And make sure you demand stachions that are the same color.:)
  • 05-28-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Penny View Post
    And make sure you demand stachions that are the same color.:)

    :thumbsup: Smart Ass
  • 05-29-2011
    reptilezs
    torque top caps on top of stanchions to something like 200 in lbs. i forget the exact number but i believe it is somewhere around there. fox claims that high number(most other manufactures are around 50-60in lb) is to reduced creaking in the CSU
  • 05-29-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    220in/lbs..........hard to believe that would help? I guess the crown flex's a little and may creak around the threads.

    Doesn't hurt to make sure everything is snug though. Thanks.
  • 05-29-2011
    aappling72
    My 2011 36 160mm Float w/Kashima (not gold like in photos btw) coating are creaking like crazy at any rolling speed when applying the front break. Annoying as hell and really just unacceptable for a $1000 fork! I don't have a spare fork and I've heard Fox takes forever to get things fixed and back to the rider. Debating whether to deal with it since it's peak riding season or go without to get it fixed. I love a stealth sounding bike and this just sounds like the front end is about to crack out from underneath in any rough dh braking!
  • 05-29-2011
    jabberwocky
    My 2005 era TALAS creaks like crazy. Fox replaced the uppers twice under warranty, but it still does it. Pretty easy to check, do what canuck_tacoma did and pull the fork and try twisting the lowers. Crown will creak and pop. It seems to be the stanchion/crown junction that makes the noise.

    I gave up getting mine to not make noise and just live with it.
  • 05-29-2011
    murrdogg11
    fox usa completed my warranty claim and shipped it back out in 3 business days.
  • 05-30-2011
    BorisD
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Funny...........I'm just about to rip apart my front end. I have a 2011 36 FLOAT 160 and a creaking noise when I weight the front end.

    I was going to pull it apart tonight and check the headset bearings, and tug on the fork to see if I could isolate the noise.

    I have my old 32 FLOAT 150 that I was going to swap to, to see if the noise went away.


    Oh interesting. I too have a pair of 2011 36 Float RLCs and have a creak coming from the front end of my bike. I was wondering if was the fork as I've checked the stem hardware, headset, wheel, axle etc

    My fork is riding a better since I removed the 20+ cc overfill from the air chamber but the stiction and small bump is still terrible.
  • 05-30-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BorisD View Post
    Oh interesting. I too have a pair of 2011 36 Float RLCs and have a creak coming from the front end of my bike. I was wondering if was the fork as I've checked the stem hardware, headset, wheel, axle etc.

    Yeah, I had the whole front end apart. Greasing the headset, cleaning stem, spacers, even greased the ends of the shifter cables. In the end it was the fork, last thing I would have thought.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BorisD View Post
    My fork is riding a better since I removed the 20+ cc overfill from the air chamber but the stiction and small bump is still terrible.

    Funny because that was the whole idea of the new Kashima Coating. I have a feeling it's the valving of the FIT Cartridge though.......HSC is probably set firm. The fork feels like it's locked out over wash board. It is nice and tight for pedaling though so there is some benefit.
  • 05-30-2011
    BorisD
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Funny because that was the whole idea of the new Kashima Coating. I have a feeling it's the valving of the FIT Cartridge though.......HSC is probably set firm. The fork feels like it's locked out over wash board. It is nice and tight for pedaling though so there is some benefit.

    Slight thread highjack.

    I thought up a simple test to see how much force it takes to break the initial stiction just to try and quantity this in some way.

    So with 60psi in the fork - I removed the front wheel, rested the fork legs on a pair of scales so they were about perpendicular to the level of the floor and slowly applied force down onto the handlebars.
    Result - 44lbs to 'break the stiction'

    I also tried this on my Rockshox Sektors -
    Result - 0lb as they have no stiction whatsoever.

    Do you think this is linked to the HSC?
  • 05-30-2011
    eurospek
    Subscribing for the outcome. FWIW, I have a 2011 Float 36 R and loving it. :thumbsup:
  • 05-30-2011
    romar
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Subscribing for the outcome.

    Me too!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    FWIW, I have a 2011 Float 36 R and loving it. :thumbsup:

    Hope I'm feeling the same way about my '12 180RC2 I recently ordered!
  • 05-30-2011
    Deerhill
    Just took my race off...
    *Possible to bring it in person w/ receipt, or do you have to UPS?

    Anyone know the closest Fox warranty center to Los Angeles?
  • 05-31-2011
    aappling72
    WOW! Just noticed also that there is a slight space between the front lower and the end cap to my Hadley hub. I have to move the lower inward almost a mm to get it flush. Seems like maybe the tolerances are off causing some twisting and eventually leading to the creaking in the uppers.
  • 05-31-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BorisD View Post
    Do you think this is linked to the HSC?

    No.............that is just Stiction, maybe LSC.

    HSC is High Speed which you won't acheive unless you're riding the bike or have a dyno. It's really hard to feel the dampner while pushing on the fork, it needs to be ridden. The forces that are put on it are extreme compared to what you can acheive by just pushing on it.
  • 05-31-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by aappling72 View Post
    WOW! Just noticed also that there is a slight space between the front lower and the end cap to my Hadley hub. I have to move the lower inward almost a mm to get it flush. Seems like maybe the tolerances are off causing some twisting and eventually leading to the creaking in the uppers.

    Just tighten your axel and clamp, should be secure.

    I think they put an adhesive on the uppers and press fit them into the crown. The creaking is coming from either the fit isn't tight enough or the adhesive is letting go. I would imagine the press fit is what is doing most of the securing.
  • 06-08-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Fork is back from Repair
    Hey, just thought I would let everyone know my Fork has come back with a new CSU. They just swapped the whole upper assembley out. I havn't had a chance to ride it yet, as the bike had to go in because they had to cut the new steer tube and install the Fork.

    I'd say great service!! 1 week turn around, no resistance, it went very smoothly. I will report back after I ride it.
  • 06-08-2011
    codename47
    just to ask - whom should I contact with: online store that I bought the fork (I'm from Europe) or I can send it directly to Fox - USA.
  • 06-08-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by codename47 View Post
    just to ask - whom should I contact with: online store that I bought the fork (I'm from Europe) or I can send it directly to Fox - USA.

    Just phone FOX and ask them for the Service Center in your area, that's where you will need to have your fork sent to. Let them know who you bought it from, just in case it's not an aothorized dealer. If it's not they may not warranty it.

    I'm in Canada and OGC does all the FOX repairs here.
  • 06-08-2011
    null
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    hello everybody. i am 110% sure that i know how to resolve the creaking issue :) watch the picture. where the fork crown is pressed in that upper part (sorry i cand find now the word i nenglish.the piece that conect with the stem) must pe cleaned with water and soap and with a brush. then afetr it is dry LUBE it with bike upside down and wait 5minutes so the oil can penetrate. then clean with a rag exxcesive oil. then go ride and post here :)
  • 06-08-2011
    drsmonkey
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by null View Post
    hello everybody. i am 110% sure that i know how to resolve the creaking issue :) watch the picture. where the fork crown is pressed in that upper part (sorry i cand find now the word i nenglish.the piece that conect with the stem) must pe cleaned with water and soap and with a brush. then afetr it is dry LUBE it with bike upside down and wait 5minutes so the oil can penetrate. then clean with a rag exxcesive oil. then go ride and post here :)

    I'm not so sure this is a good idea, but others should chime in.

    That is a press (or interference) fit that relies on friction to stay assembled. If it is creaking the allowance may be off and introducing oil (if it can even penetrate the fit) will only decrease the friction. It could reduce the creaking, but it could also cause the steerer to move more with relation to the crown.

    If a little cleaning and oil safely fixes the problem would Fox be spending the money to replace the CSU's on these?

    I could be wrong though, because I'm only 95% sure;).

    I've got a 2011 36 Van waiting to be mounted. Anybody having the creaking with the tapered steerers?
  • 06-08-2011
    null
    fox do not do this diy stuff. because they are pro. that doesn't mean it is not safe. it is press fit yes but wit heat. you know expand/contract.... NO VOLUME of oil will cause the steerer to actualy MOVE ! oil is lubing only the lower part of it not the actually pressed one where there is no room for oil to penetreate because the surfaces are actualy "bond".

    i run 2 fox with lube in that area 3years each.and that is intense fr and urban riding and i am a 220 lbs animal :D a lots of stopie too (at each headlight and every halt brake actually)
  • 06-08-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Abused my repaired 2011 36 FLoat for about 3 hours today and it was flawless. No noise or other problems to report.............hopefully it stays this way. :cornut:
  • 07-07-2011
    codename47
    Made 2 videos. Is the creaking noise sound like this:

    <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lJYyII7TFL4?hl=en&fs=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/d3SPPXdvEKE?hl=en&fs=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    ?
  • 07-07-2011
    Deerhill
    yep, send that sucker in
  • 07-08-2011
    murrdogg11
    i got my fox 36 talas back from warranty a couple months ago and the creaking is starting again.
  • 07-08-2011
    myarmisonfire
    I just had to send my Vans in because the damper side stanchion was creaking in the crown.
  • 07-08-2011
    null
    told you. lube that part from my previous post. and it might resolve your problem:thumbsup:
  • 07-09-2011
    murrdogg11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by null View Post
    told you. lube that part from my previous post. and it might resolve your problem:thumbsup:

    maybe i will try your solution if im out of warranty...
    but i kind of have to agree with the guy above...
    why would fox be replacing the complete uppers(stanchions, crown, steer tube) on your fork if it is only a matter of lube?
  • 07-09-2011
    null
    because fox are professionals ! we are not. where is the diy spirit ? :) why fox states that you have to change seals at every oil change? because that is ideal ! i am at the third oil change with same seals and they are like new. no oil loss. think for yourself don't let a mamut company like fox think for you ;)
  • 07-09-2011
    drsmonkey
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by null View Post
    fox do not do this diy stuff. because they are pro. that doesn't mean it is not safe. it is press fit yes but wit heat. you know expand/contract.... NO VOLUME of oil will cause the steerer to actualy MOVE ! oil is lubing only the lower part of it not the actually pressed one where there is no room for oil to penetreate because the surfaces are actualy "bond".

    i run 2 fox with lube in that area 3years each.and that is intense fr and urban riding and i am a 220 lbs animal :D a lots of stopie too (at each headlight and every halt brake actually)

    While I agree with you I'm still not sure...if there is creaking, there is movement. If there is movement the tolerances of the interference fit are off, i.e. the "bond" is incomplete. I agree that there is probably enough interference to prevent complete penetration of the oil, but there is a threshold at which the friction of the fit could be overcome.

    In the end it probably doesn't matter, the failure would likely a slight rotation of the steerer, no worse than having your stem twist a little. I doubt it would go completely loose all at once.

    Sorry, I'm done web-ineering now.
  • 07-09-2011
    myarmisonfire
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by drsmonkey View Post

    Sorry, I'm done web-ineering now.

    No, I think that you are being smart and applying a bit of thought instead of a band-aid fix to a potentially serious problem.
  • 07-10-2011
    null
    a fork upercrown assembly CANNOT came apart and fall. unless there is a crack. but the pressed area cannot do that. if you se a cutaway of a uppercrown you will just know.
  • 07-10-2011
    null
    explain me,how this can just fall http://www.singletrackworld.com/wp-c...ay-600x396.jpg

    le: worst case scenario it will just spin ,like a loose stem. ok that is not cool but.. it is unlikely to hapen :thumbsup:
  • 07-10-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    I personally know someone who had a Fox 29'r Fork come loose. The stanchion was slowly working its way out of the crown. It was a little bit, but enough to start screwing up the fork and made him very nervous about riding it.

    My fork had the stanchions creeking not the steer tube.
  • 07-10-2011
    null
    at the stanchios is another story! i was talking about the steerer tube +crown assembly :) in fact there too is ok. the threads are in the stanchios and the caps are holding the stanchios tighten somehow so i don't think that could come off too :)
  • 07-10-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Sorry, but did you not read my post? The stanchion can work its way out of the crown.

    If it's under warranty send it in to get it fixed, if not then pay to have the CSU replaced. A few hundred bucks is worth the piece of mind.
  • 07-10-2011
    null
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    sorry, but did you not read my post? The stanchion can work its way out of the crown..


    how?
  • 07-10-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by null View Post
    how?

    I stand corrected, looking at the cut-away it doesn't seem possible for the stanchion to move out of the crown with the Top Cap screwed on. I will have to ask him again.
  • 07-10-2011
    myarmisonfire
    Have you tried searching for pictures of broken steer tubes? http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...er+tube+broken
    They can pull out of the crown. And stachions can also wiggle loose. If it creaks then it is moving. If it is moving it is going to fail. When? I couldn't say but it will fail before one that does not creak.
  • 07-12-2011
    skidad
    If it's out of warranty I would be more inclined to try a high strength wicking Loctite vs. a lube. This stuff is pretty amazing getting into places you would never think possible to do it's thing and might be worth a try. Wont hurt anything that's for sure.
  • 07-12-2011
    null
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by myarmisonfire View Post
    Have you tried searching for pictures of broken steer tubes? http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...er+tube+broken
    They can pull out of the crown. And stachions can also wiggle loose. If it creaks then it is moving. If it is moving it is going to fail. When? I couldn't say but it will fail before one that does not creak.



    dude,why do you bother to post? we were talking about FOX no MARZ !!! there is a diference in structure and in your link those are BROKEN/cracked forks ! not loose steerer tube. that most certainly occur after a crash!

    HOW this (steerer tube) can get PULLED out of the crown any other way than a big crack ? we were talking about putting some oil in there. worst case scenario oil wil make it roatate slightly NOT pulled out !

    big ps: oil that i told you of is ment to stay in red circles in the picture .oil cannot simply go any further !
  • 07-12-2011
    myarmisonfire
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by null View Post
    HOW this (steerer tube) can get PULLED out of the crown any other way than a big crack ? we were talking about putting some oil in there. worst case scenario oil wil make it roatate slightly NOT pulled out !

    Dooooooooooooood. They start to creak and then fail catastrophically!
  • 07-13-2011
    null
    They start to creak and then fail catastrophically! ??????/ i've asked you HOW ! if that is all you can say is all clear for me. you have no mechanical skil at all as about imagination.... did you even bother to see the picture with the cutaway ?!!
  • 07-25-2011
    pdelbusto
    I had the same creaking problem with my F100RLC FIT, and isolated the noise to the left stanchion/crown area. I called FOX and they gave me an RA#. 2 weeks later (I took a couple days to send it in), I have the fork back and it seems to be fine. Will ride it tonight, but initial tests have shown no creaking. However, the kashima coat looks much more pale than what my previous stanchions had on them. I sent them a note with before/after pictures, but expect them to reply with something along the lines of kashima being an anodizing process and different batches turn out differently.
    Any others with this problem? Not really a problem I suppose, but makes me wonder about that initial batch of kashimas and whether that had anything to do with the adhesion of the stanchion to the crown?
  • 07-25-2011
    Deerhill
    re-dish
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pdelbusto View Post
    I had the same creaking problem with my F100RLC FIT, and isolated the noise to the left stanchion/crown area. I called FOX and they gave me an RA#. 2 weeks later (I took a couple days to send it in), I have the fork back and it seems to be fine. Will ride it tonight, but initial tests have shown no creaking. However, the kashima coat looks much more pale than what my previous stanchions had on them. I sent them a note with before/after pictures, but expect them to reply with something along the lines of kashima being an anodizing process and different batches turn out differently.
    Any others with this problem? Not really a problem I suppose, but makes me wonder about that initial batch of kashimas and whether that had anything to do with the adhesion of the stanchion to the crown?

    Mine have less saturation as well, however both legs are of the same hue this time.

    The problem I have is with the axle spacing from where the hub seats to the inside of the leg (non-brake side). There's @ 1 mm increase, so the leg is free to move on the axle (toward hub) if you don't use a shim. Was not like this before..
  • 08-20-2011
    hydromaddicted
    I'll be damned i've had the same annoying creak in my 2009 fox 32 float tapered thought it was something else but after this thread thats definatly it;-(
  • 08-22-2011
    myitch
    Oh boy. If someone purchased a used Float, I wonder if Fox would still warranty it?
  • 10-13-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Well.........I'm not happy to say my previously warrantied CSU has started making noise again. Obviously there's an issue here with these forks. It's only been a few months.

    Has anyone had this occur more than once? If so, did you talk to Fox about it? Wondering if I should insist on getting a 2012 CSU, seems like the 2011's are not holding up.
  • 10-13-2011
    murrdogg11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Well.........I'm not happy to say my previously warrantied CSU has started making noise again. Obviously there's an issue here with these forks. It's only been a few months.

    Has anyone had this occur more than once? If so, did you talk to Fox about it? Wondering if I should insist on getting a 2012 CSU, seems like the 2011's are not holding up.

    I'm on my second warranty....
    when i called in about the second warranty they said nothing has been changed with the 2012 crowns, so that wouldn't make a difference.
    they also said they have never had one fail, its just an annoying noise.
    i guess now that i'm out of warranty i'll try the above mentioned technique to fix it if it happens agai.
  • 10-13-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Wonder how many people would buy FOX if they knew about the "annoying noise". Doesn't sit well with me.
  • 10-13-2011
    eurospek
    My 2011 36 Float is not creaking, but I do have a noise when you push on the front brake and try to rock the bike back and forth. Something's definitely rattling a bit on the damper side, right leg, like something's knocking on the inside stanchion walls.

    I contacted Fox about it and they said it's normal to hear faint knocking sounds when the open bath hasn't been cycled yet. But I get the same noise half way through my rides if I check this. Doesn't affect performance at all, just expected more from a $800+ fork that sees no more than singletrack in the Midwest.
  • 10-13-2011
    codename47
    My 1sh replacement CSU is holding for the moment. What is the period for been warrantied, I know that there's only 1 year warranty from the moment of buying.
  • 10-14-2011
    BorisD
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Well.........I'm not happy to say my previously warrantied CSU has started making noise again. Obviously there's an issue here with these forks. It's only been a few months.

    Has anyone had this occur more than once? If so, did you talk to Fox about it? Wondering if I should insist on getting a 2012 CSU, seems like the 2011's are not holding up.

    I'm on my third steerer (2011 Float 36 RLC Tapered) - all replaced under warranty by Mojo (UK)
  • 10-15-2011
    null
    please,just please try my way,put some oil between steerer and crown with the bike upside down and wait 10min.your problem will be solved. i ride one of my fox r years now like this and i am 230lbs i ride it FR and it is perfectly safe.
  • 10-15-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by null View Post
    please,just please try my way,put some oil between steerer and crown with the bike upside down and wait 10min.your problem will be solved. i ride one of my fox r years now like this and i am 230lbs i ride it FR and it is perfectly safe.

    I will once the warranty expires and I can't get a new one.
  • 10-15-2011
    darkzeon
    Null - seems like a little bit of elbow grease frightens most people here. I personally can't see anything wrong with your tip. . .

    On another topic, the 2011 kashima are on sale in my part of the world. I currently run a 2007 66 rc2x which I love, no slop, creek sort of stuff. My lbs has a VAN 180 in stock and it's on sale. However, I've noticed a bit of slop on three, yes three (3)! Fox 180's...2 VAN and a Float, all Kashima coated, no creeks though (all from friends using the forks)...I'm now more hesitant getting the 180...Seems like the creaking issue is similar to the 07 RS Lyriks , I had to deal with the creak and bushing slop (previous owner of one) :madman:...Besides having creaking crowns, anyone experience a slop on the fork?
  • 10-15-2011
    canuck_tacoma
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by darkzeon View Post
    Null - seems like a little bit of elbow grease frightens most people here.

    Really??? Putting oil on a fork is what you consider hard work?

    How about you walk what you talk and do a search on fork bushings? Instead of hijacking this thread.
  • 10-15-2011
    darkzeon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Really??? Putting oil on a fork is what you consider hard work?

    How about you walk what you talk and do a search on fork bushings? Instead of hijacking this thread.

    Aw, sorry to "hijack" your thread dude...Don't mean to get you defensive on putting oil in your fork, must be that time of the month, EH?...Ok, people ignore my slop comments, and let's go back to the rickety creak ;)
  • 10-17-2011
    jedenton
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BorisD View Post
    I'm on my third steerer (2011 Float 36 RLC Tapered) - all replaced under warranty by Mojo (UK)

    How are your fork now?
  • 10-17-2011
    BorisD
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jedenton View Post
    How are your fork now?

    Well I've had two rides on this latest steerer and it's not creaking yet :D
  • 10-27-2011
    raycje5
    Ive had 2 uppers replaced on a Talas from creaking(warranty). 2nd time it came back I havent installed it and may sell. Now my 2011 float is creaking. My revelation and Lyric do not creak.....
  • 10-28-2011
    djball
    Bikes are noisy sob's, and hunting down those annoying creeks can be a real challenge. A can of good spray lube is your best friend.

    My 2011 Float 160 RLC tapered has the creeky steer tube problem. But as mentioned, just flip it upside down, spray and soak. Definitely shoddy for a $1,000 fork, but it works and seems to be safe.

    I like the fork, but it sure is tricky to dial in. The custom air chamber piston chop is also pretty much mandatory it makes a huge difference. ,
  • 11-21-2011
    Glide the Clyde
    Just shipped my 2010 OEM F29 RL off to Fox Service for their extended-to-2 years-warranty for creaking crowns repairs/service. I should have it back in 2-3 weeks. I'll let you know how it goes and how it holds up.

    When I tightly gripped the stanchion at the crown, locked the front brake, and moved the bike back and forth producing the creaking noise, I could actually feel the stanchion moving a very small amount inside the crown.

    The oil trick didn't work for mine. The creaking was in the stanchion to crown interface.
  • 12-03-2011
    Noclutch
    My F29 120 crown is creaking as well, and has been for many months while I chased other possible areas of creaking. It has been 1 1/2 years since I purchased the bike form authorized dealer/shop.

    Is Fox generally doing these repairs under warranty on forks more than a year post purchase for you guys?? Seems they would to avoid any more of a black eye about this QC/design issue...
    Has anone had a problem getting a G2 crown replaced??? Now I'm really getting nervous...
  • 12-04-2011
    Glide the Clyde
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Noclutch View Post
    Is Fox generally doing these repairs under warranty on forks more than a year post purchase for you guys??

    Yes, they extend their warranty to 2 years for the creaky stanchion/crown issue. I don't see why they would also take care of a G2 fork. Call Fox CS directly and talk to them. I am sure they will try to help you out.

    I should be getting mine back from Fox in the next week or so. Hopefully they have a good fix for the problem.
  • 12-04-2011
    Noclutch
    Thanks Malibu412- I guess my paranoid concern was that Fox produced the Trek/Fisher G2s in small batches relative to all the std offsets and may not have any of these crowns available for retrofit, but I sure hope so cuz this creak is very annoying!
  • 12-04-2011
    wheatgerm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Yes, they extend their warranty to 2 years for the creaky stanchion/crown issue.

    Thanks for the 411. I did not know this!
  • 12-13-2011
    aarondsp
    Hey guys I got a 2011 slayer last week, taken it out 3 times. My quick release levers (the ones on the bottom of each side of fork) are creaking, does it need wd40 down there or what? Yall's issues seem different than mine, only creaking is when i take the front wheel off
  • 12-28-2011
    Four Eyes
    Null,
    I tried your suggestion but noise is still there. I installed a reba sl from a friend and it was all smoother and all the creaking gone. Any other suggestion on how to solve the creaks on the fox?
  • 12-28-2011
    Glide the Clyde
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Yes, they extend their warranty to 2 years for the creaky stanchion/crown issue.... Hopefully they have a good fix for the problem.

    Got my F29 back with a new upper assembly and while they were at it, replaced seals and wipers with a lowers service. No charge and no creaking after the first few rides.

    Yay Fox!
  • 01-11-2012
    travo
    Well, its 5 months after I got my forks back from Fox with new uppers replaced under warranty and they're creaking again!! it's exactly the same as before, so I guess a return to Fox for replacement uppers is needed again.

    I'm seriously considering getting them fixed and selling them. I've seen a set of 2011 marzocchi 66 evo's for half price, they seem to be getting pretty good reviews.
    Anyone any experiance with these? I loved my old 2007 66's if the new ones are as reliable and as smooth as they were I'll definitly be getting them.....
  • 01-11-2012
    Deerhill
    same timeframe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by travo View Post
    Well, its 5 months after I got my forks back from Fox with new uppers replaced under warranty and they're creaking again!! it's exactly the same as before, so I guess a return to Fox for replacement uppers is needed again.

    I'm seriously considering getting them fixed and selling them. I've seen a set of 2011 marzocchi 66 evo's for half price, they seem to be getting pretty good reviews.
    Anyone any experiance with these? I loved my old 2007 66's if the new ones are as reliable and as smooth as they were I'll definitly be getting them.....

    Mine Van just started creaking again after a good hard ride yesterday, I still need to take them off and do the twist test again to make sure( hoping it's the stem this time ) but I know that sound..
  • 01-12-2012
    Hank Wanker
    I suspect they are replacing the uppers because it is a bushing problem. Fox 2011 Forks have been very bad. I just got my 32 back with new uppers -bushings bad.
  • 01-13-2012
    TaupoRider
    I had a creaking in my camber elite 29er, found out it was dirt in the seat post after greasing/lubing EVERYTHING i could get my hands on. I just took it out cleaned it out and put it back in :madman:

    FWIW
  • 01-13-2012
    eshew
    I don't have any input on the Fox creaking but Marzocchi had this issue back in 2002. The single crown 130mm forks would creak like hell, it's loose tolerances in the stanchion fittings, they had to redesign the uppers in 03 to solve the problem.

    Hopefully fox can get this fitment issue figured out and keep these forks on the trail without the creaks.

    Side note: I'm sure this was brought up before, but my bike had a nasty creak up front for a season. It turned out to be unlubricated headset bearings in my Chris King. Tossed some grease in there & issue solved.

    There was a bit of wear on the upper bearing cap as well, that is also a creak point. Make sure any metal on the headset showing wear is lubricated with proper waterproof grease.
  • 01-13-2012
    svituris
    Hi!

    I have fox fork van rc2 2011 with the same problems with creaking. Do somebody know if that can be dangerous?

    Thank you
  • 01-14-2012
    myarmisonfire
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by svituris View Post
    Hi!

    I have fox fork van rc2 2011 with the same problems with creaking. Do somebody know if that can be dangerous?

    Thank you

    If it is still under warranty then send it in. You will get a new CSU and a rebuild at the same time.
  • 01-14-2012
    Deerhill
    Anyone know if the 2012 36's have this problem??

    My 2011 is going back to Fox again
  • 01-16-2012
    svituris
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by myarmisonfire View Post
    If it is still under warranty then send it in. You will get a new CSU and a rebuild at the same time.

    I already sent it in and I got new CSU but after 2 months it started to creaking again. And I don't whant to send it every 2 months, that's why I'm asking if that can be dangerous. If not creaking doesn't bother me too much.

    But thank you anyway
  • 01-24-2012
    doeman
    I just sent my 2010 Fox Van R 36 back to Fox for the 3rd time in 7 months. Creaking like a mother. The tech guy I talked to said that because this was the 3rd time I'm sending the fork back they'd replace it. Hopefully I'll get a newer, less creak prone version... lets hope that no reports of creaking 2012ers start coming in.
  • 02-07-2012
    bryantaber
    creeky fork
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by codename47 View Post
    Made 2 videos. Is the creaking noise sound like this:

    <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lJYyII7TFL4?hl=en&fs=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/d3SPPXdvEKE?hl=en&fs=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    ?

    Thanks for posting this video. That's so helpful. I have a creek starting on my 2011 X Fusion Vengeance HLR 160. I want to isolate it. ANYONE else have an Issue with their X Fusion.??
  • 02-07-2012
    travman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DeerhillJDOG View Post
    Anyone know if the 2012 36's have this problem??

    My 2011 is going back to Fox again

    I have a 2012 and it has no creaking at all, least so far anyway.
  • 02-07-2012
    bryantaber
    Ok, well, I know that my 2011 X fusion Vengeance isnt a Fox, but everybody compares them to a Float and they are engineered by ex- Fox Techs ect... So I Isolated a creak in 1 stanchion where the crown meets the stanchion. I called X fusion and they said that because I bought it used, it will cost me 300.00 for a new press fit job. But I told him I was thinking of spraying some penetrating oil (not SILICONE!!!) on the bottom of the crown where the stanchion slides in and on the top under the Rebound dial to lubricate the area. He said so long as it isnt wiggling or turning, which it wasnt, it's probly not loose and that the 160's and 180 forks are all bound to make noise at some point. Due to all the other stiff upgrades on these forks and the heavy load performance being performed on them, something is bound to start giving a little. It could also have got some dust in it from the press fit process causing it to prematurely creek.BUT the oil should NOT make it worse. SOOOO..I oiled the stanchion and low and behold after about 20mins riding , the oil had worked it's way into the press fit and the creak was gone. My bike has not ridden so quiet since I built it. Giant Reign w/ 6.7 front and rear.
  • 02-07-2012
    bryantaber
    Creek searched and destoyed
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by drsmonkey View Post
    I'm not so sure this is a good idea, but others should chime in.

    That is a press (or interference) fit that relies on friction to stay assembled. If it is creaking the allowance may be off and introducing oil (if it can even penetrate the fit) will only decrease the friction. It could reduce the creaking, but it could also cause the steerer to move more with relation to the crown.

    If a little cleaning and oil safely fixes the problem would Fox be spending the money to replace the CSU's on these?

    I could be wrong though, because I'm only 95% sure;).

    I've got a 2011 36 Van waiting to be mounted. Anybody having the creaking with the tapered steerers?

    My stanchion is creeking not my steerer, but I did try this fix and after spraying NON SILICONE penetrating oil under and on top where the stanchion presses in , then rding a very bumpy 30 mins , the creek was gone. :thumbsup::D