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    at the stanchios is another story! i was talking about the steerer tube +crown assembly in fact there too is ok. the threads are in the stanchios and the caps are holding the stanchios tighten somehow so i don't think that could come off too
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    Sorry, but did you not read my post? The stanchion can work its way out of the crown.

    If it's under warranty send it in to get it fixed, if not then pay to have the CSU replaced. A few hundred bucks is worth the piece of mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    sorry, but did you not read my post? The stanchion can work its way out of the crown..

    how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by null View Post
    how?
    I stand corrected, looking at the cut-away it doesn't seem possible for the stanchion to move out of the crown with the Top Cap screwed on. I will have to ask him again.

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    Have you tried searching for pictures of broken steer tubes? Wanna see a broken 1.5 66 RC2X?
    They can pull out of the crown. And stachions can also wiggle loose. If it creaks then it is moving. If it is moving it is going to fail. When? I couldn't say but it will fail before one that does not creak.

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    If it's out of warranty I would be more inclined to try a high strength wicking Loctite vs. a lube. This stuff is pretty amazing getting into places you would never think possible to do it's thing and might be worth a try. Wont hurt anything that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myarmisonfire View Post
    Have you tried searching for pictures of broken steer tubes? Wanna see a broken 1.5 66 RC2X?
    They can pull out of the crown. And stachions can also wiggle loose. If it creaks then it is moving. If it is moving it is going to fail. When? I couldn't say but it will fail before one that does not creak.


    dude,why do you bother to post? we were talking about FOX no MARZ !!! there is a diference in structure and in your link those are BROKEN/cracked forks ! not loose steerer tube. that most certainly occur after a crash!

    HOW this (steerer tube) can get PULLED out of the crown any other way than a big crack ? we were talking about putting some oil in there. worst case scenario oil wil make it roatate slightly NOT pulled out !

    big ps: oil that i told you of is ment to stay in red circles in the picture .oil cannot simply go any further !
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    Quote Originally Posted by null View Post
    HOW this (steerer tube) can get PULLED out of the crown any other way than a big crack ? we were talking about putting some oil in there. worst case scenario oil wil make it roatate slightly NOT pulled out !
    Dooooooooooooood. They start to creak and then fail catastrophically!

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    They start to creak and then fail catastrophically! ??????/ i've asked you HOW ! if that is all you can say is all clear for me. you have no mechanical skil at all as about imagination.... did you even bother to see the picture with the cutaway ?!!
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    I had the same creaking problem with my F100RLC FIT, and isolated the noise to the left stanchion/crown area. I called FOX and they gave me an RA#. 2 weeks later (I took a couple days to send it in), I have the fork back and it seems to be fine. Will ride it tonight, but initial tests have shown no creaking. However, the kashima coat looks much more pale than what my previous stanchions had on them. I sent them a note with before/after pictures, but expect them to reply with something along the lines of kashima being an anodizing process and different batches turn out differently.
    Any others with this problem? Not really a problem I suppose, but makes me wonder about that initial batch of kashimas and whether that had anything to do with the adhesion of the stanchion to the crown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdelbusto View Post
    I had the same creaking problem with my F100RLC FIT, and isolated the noise to the left stanchion/crown area. I called FOX and they gave me an RA#. 2 weeks later (I took a couple days to send it in), I have the fork back and it seems to be fine. Will ride it tonight, but initial tests have shown no creaking. However, the kashima coat looks much more pale than what my previous stanchions had on them. I sent them a note with before/after pictures, but expect them to reply with something along the lines of kashima being an anodizing process and different batches turn out differently.
    Any others with this problem? Not really a problem I suppose, but makes me wonder about that initial batch of kashimas and whether that had anything to do with the adhesion of the stanchion to the crown?
    Mine have less saturation as well, however both legs are of the same hue this time.

    The problem I have is with the axle spacing from where the hub seats to the inside of the leg (non-brake side). There's @ 1 mm increase, so the leg is free to move on the axle (toward hub) if you don't use a shim. Was not like this before..
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    I'll be damned i've had the same annoying creak in my 2009 fox 32 float tapered thought it was something else but after this thread thats definatly it;-(

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    Oh boy. If someone purchased a used Float, I wonder if Fox would still warranty it?
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    Well.........I'm not happy to say my previously warrantied CSU has started making noise again. Obviously there's an issue here with these forks. It's only been a few months.

    Has anyone had this occur more than once? If so, did you talk to Fox about it? Wondering if I should insist on getting a 2012 CSU, seems like the 2011's are not holding up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Well.........I'm not happy to say my previously warrantied CSU has started making noise again. Obviously there's an issue here with these forks. It's only been a few months.

    Has anyone had this occur more than once? If so, did you talk to Fox about it? Wondering if I should insist on getting a 2012 CSU, seems like the 2011's are not holding up.
    I'm on my second warranty....
    when i called in about the second warranty they said nothing has been changed with the 2012 crowns, so that wouldn't make a difference.
    they also said they have never had one fail, its just an annoying noise.
    i guess now that i'm out of warranty i'll try the above mentioned technique to fix it if it happens agai.

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    Wonder how many people would buy FOX if they knew about the "annoying noise". Doesn't sit well with me.

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    My 2011 36 Float is not creaking, but I do have a noise when you push on the front brake and try to rock the bike back and forth. Something's definitely rattling a bit on the damper side, right leg, like something's knocking on the inside stanchion walls.

    I contacted Fox about it and they said it's normal to hear faint knocking sounds when the open bath hasn't been cycled yet. But I get the same noise half way through my rides if I check this. Doesn't affect performance at all, just expected more from a $800+ fork that sees no more than singletrack in the Midwest.
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    My 1sh replacement CSU is holding for the moment. What is the period for been warrantied, I know that there's only 1 year warranty from the moment of buying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Well.........I'm not happy to say my previously warrantied CSU has started making noise again. Obviously there's an issue here with these forks. It's only been a few months.

    Has anyone had this occur more than once? If so, did you talk to Fox about it? Wondering if I should insist on getting a 2012 CSU, seems like the 2011's are not holding up.
    I'm on my third steerer (2011 Float 36 RLC Tapered) - all replaced under warranty by Mojo (UK)

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    please,just please try my way,put some oil between steerer and crown with the bike upside down and wait 10min.your problem will be solved. i ride one of my fox r years now like this and i am 230lbs i ride it FR and it is perfectly safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by null View Post
    please,just please try my way,put some oil between steerer and crown with the bike upside down and wait 10min.your problem will be solved. i ride one of my fox r years now like this and i am 230lbs i ride it FR and it is perfectly safe.
    I will once the warranty expires and I can't get a new one.

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    Null - seems like a little bit of elbow grease frightens most people here. I personally can't see anything wrong with your tip. . .

    On another topic, the 2011 kashima are on sale in my part of the world. I currently run a 2007 66 rc2x which I love, no slop, creek sort of stuff. My lbs has a VAN 180 in stock and it's on sale. However, I've noticed a bit of slop on three, yes three (3)! Fox 180's...2 VAN and a Float, all Kashima coated, no creeks though (all from friends using the forks)...I'm now more hesitant getting the 180...Seems like the creaking issue is similar to the 07 RS Lyriks , I had to deal with the creak and bushing slop (previous owner of one) ...Besides having creaking crowns, anyone experience a slop on the fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkzeon View Post
    Null - seems like a little bit of elbow grease frightens most people here.
    Really??? Putting oil on a fork is what you consider hard work?

    How about you walk what you talk and do a search on fork bushings? Instead of hijacking this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Really??? Putting oil on a fork is what you consider hard work?

    How about you walk what you talk and do a search on fork bushings? Instead of hijacking this thread.
    Aw, sorry to "hijack" your thread dude...Don't mean to get you defensive on putting oil in your fork, must be that time of the month, EH?...Ok, people ignore my slop comments, and let's go back to the rickety creak
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisD View Post
    I'm on my third steerer (2011 Float 36 RLC Tapered) - all replaced under warranty by Mojo (UK)
    How are your fork now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedenton View Post
    How are your fork now?
    Well I've had two rides on this latest steerer and it's not creaking yet

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    Ive had 2 uppers replaced on a Talas from creaking(warranty). 2nd time it came back I havent installed it and may sell. Now my 2011 float is creaking. My revelation and Lyric do not creak.....

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    Bikes are noisy sob's, and hunting down those annoying creeks can be a real challenge. A can of good spray lube is your best friend.

    My 2011 Float 160 RLC tapered has the creeky steer tube problem. But as mentioned, just flip it upside down, spray and soak. Definitely shoddy for a $1,000 fork, but it works and seems to be safe.

    I like the fork, but it sure is tricky to dial in. The custom air chamber piston chop is also pretty much mandatory it makes a huge difference. ,

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    Just shipped my 2010 OEM F29 RL off to Fox Service for their extended-to-2 years-warranty for creaking crowns repairs/service. I should have it back in 2-3 weeks. I'll let you know how it goes and how it holds up.

    When I tightly gripped the stanchion at the crown, locked the front brake, and moved the bike back and forth producing the creaking noise, I could actually feel the stanchion moving a very small amount inside the crown.

    The oil trick didn't work for mine. The creaking was in the stanchion to crown interface.
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    My F29 120 crown is creaking as well, and has been for many months while I chased other possible areas of creaking. It has been 1 1/2 years since I purchased the bike form authorized dealer/shop.

    Is Fox generally doing these repairs under warranty on forks more than a year post purchase for you guys?? Seems they would to avoid any more of a black eye about this QC/design issue...
    Has anone had a problem getting a G2 crown replaced??? Now I'm really getting nervous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noclutch View Post
    Is Fox generally doing these repairs under warranty on forks more than a year post purchase for you guys??
    Yes, they extend their warranty to 2 years for the creaky stanchion/crown issue. I don't see why they would also take care of a G2 fork. Call Fox CS directly and talk to them. I am sure they will try to help you out.

    I should be getting mine back from Fox in the next week or so. Hopefully they have a good fix for the problem.
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    Thanks Malibu412- I guess my paranoid concern was that Fox produced the Trek/Fisher G2s in small batches relative to all the std offsets and may not have any of these crowns available for retrofit, but I sure hope so cuz this creak is very annoying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Yes, they extend their warranty to 2 years for the creaky stanchion/crown issue.
    Thanks for the 411. I did not know this!

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    Hey guys I got a 2011 slayer last week, taken it out 3 times. My quick release levers (the ones on the bottom of each side of fork) are creaking, does it need wd40 down there or what? Yall's issues seem different than mine, only creaking is when i take the front wheel off

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    Null,
    I tried your suggestion but noise is still there. I installed a reba sl from a friend and it was all smoother and all the creaking gone. Any other suggestion on how to solve the creaks on the fox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    Yes, they extend their warranty to 2 years for the creaky stanchion/crown issue.... Hopefully they have a good fix for the problem.
    Got my F29 back with a new upper assembly and while they were at it, replaced seals and wipers with a lowers service. No charge and no creaking after the first few rides.

    Yay Fox!
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    Well, its 5 months after I got my forks back from Fox with new uppers replaced under warranty and they're creaking again!! it's exactly the same as before, so I guess a return to Fox for replacement uppers is needed again.

    I'm seriously considering getting them fixed and selling them. I've seen a set of 2011 marzocchi 66 evo's for half price, they seem to be getting pretty good reviews.
    Anyone any experiance with these? I loved my old 2007 66's if the new ones are as reliable and as smooth as they were I'll definitly be getting them.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by travo View Post
    Well, its 5 months after I got my forks back from Fox with new uppers replaced under warranty and they're creaking again!! it's exactly the same as before, so I guess a return to Fox for replacement uppers is needed again.

    I'm seriously considering getting them fixed and selling them. I've seen a set of 2011 marzocchi 66 evo's for half price, they seem to be getting pretty good reviews.
    Anyone any experiance with these? I loved my old 2007 66's if the new ones are as reliable and as smooth as they were I'll definitly be getting them.....
    Mine Van just started creaking again after a good hard ride yesterday, I still need to take them off and do the twist test again to make sure( hoping it's the stem this time ) but I know that sound..

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    I suspect they are replacing the uppers because it is a bushing problem. Fox 2011 Forks have been very bad. I just got my 32 back with new uppers -bushings bad.

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    I had a creaking in my camber elite 29er, found out it was dirt in the seat post after greasing/lubing EVERYTHING i could get my hands on. I just took it out cleaned it out and put it back in

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    I don't have any input on the Fox creaking but Marzocchi had this issue back in 2002. The single crown 130mm forks would creak like hell, it's loose tolerances in the stanchion fittings, they had to redesign the uppers in 03 to solve the problem.

    Hopefully fox can get this fitment issue figured out and keep these forks on the trail without the creaks.

    Side note: I'm sure this was brought up before, but my bike had a nasty creak up front for a season. It turned out to be unlubricated headset bearings in my Chris King. Tossed some grease in there & issue solved.

    There was a bit of wear on the upper bearing cap as well, that is also a creak point. Make sure any metal on the headset showing wear is lubricated with proper waterproof grease.

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    Hi!

    I have fox fork van rc2 2011 with the same problems with creaking. Do somebody know if that can be dangerous?

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by svituris View Post
    Hi!

    I have fox fork van rc2 2011 with the same problems with creaking. Do somebody know if that can be dangerous?

    Thank you
    If it is still under warranty then send it in. You will get a new CSU and a rebuild at the same time.

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    Anyone know if the 2012 36's have this problem??

    My 2011 is going back to Fox again

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    Quote Originally Posted by myarmisonfire View Post
    If it is still under warranty then send it in. You will get a new CSU and a rebuild at the same time.
    I already sent it in and I got new CSU but after 2 months it started to creaking again. And I don't whant to send it every 2 months, that's why I'm asking if that can be dangerous. If not creaking doesn't bother me too much.

    But thank you anyway

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    I just sent my 2010 Fox Van R 36 back to Fox for the 3rd time in 7 months. Creaking like a mother. The tech guy I talked to said that because this was the 3rd time I'm sending the fork back they'd replace it. Hopefully I'll get a newer, less creak prone version... lets hope that no reports of creaking 2012ers start coming in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by codename47 View Post
    Made 2 videos. Is the creaking noise sound like this:

    <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lJYyII7TFL4?hl=en&fs=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/d3SPPXdvEKE?hl=en&fs=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    ?
    Thanks for posting this video. That's so helpful. I have a creek starting on my 2011 X Fusion Vengeance HLR 160. I want to isolate it. ANYONE else have an Issue with their X Fusion.??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeerhillJDOG View Post
    Anyone know if the 2012 36's have this problem??

    My 2011 is going back to Fox again
    I have a 2012 and it has no creaking at all, least so far anyway.

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    Ok, well, I know that my 2011 X fusion Vengeance isnt a Fox, but everybody compares them to a Float and they are engineered by ex- Fox Techs ect... So I Isolated a creak in 1 stanchion where the crown meets the stanchion. I called X fusion and they said that because I bought it used, it will cost me 300.00 for a new press fit job. But I told him I was thinking of spraying some penetrating oil (not SILICONE!!!) on the bottom of the crown where the stanchion slides in and on the top under the Rebound dial to lubricate the area. He said so long as it isnt wiggling or turning, which it wasnt, it's probly not loose and that the 160's and 180 forks are all bound to make noise at some point. Due to all the other stiff upgrades on these forks and the heavy load performance being performed on them, something is bound to start giving a little. It could also have got some dust in it from the press fit process causing it to prematurely creek.BUT the oil should NOT make it worse. SOOOO..I oiled the stanchion and low and behold after about 20mins riding , the oil had worked it's way into the press fit and the creak was gone. My bike has not ridden so quiet since I built it. Giant Reign w/ 6.7 front and rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drsmonkey View Post
    I'm not so sure this is a good idea, but others should chime in.

    That is a press (or interference) fit that relies on friction to stay assembled. If it is creaking the allowance may be off and introducing oil (if it can even penetrate the fit) will only decrease the friction. It could reduce the creaking, but it could also cause the steerer to move more with relation to the crown.

    If a little cleaning and oil safely fixes the problem would Fox be spending the money to replace the CSU's on these?

    I could be wrong though, because I'm only 95% sure.

    I've got a 2011 36 Van waiting to be mounted. Anybody having the creaking with the tapered steerers?
    My stanchion is creeking not my steerer, but I did try this fix and after spraying NON SILICONE penetrating oil under and on top where the stanchion presses in , then rding a very bumpy 30 mins , the creek was gone.

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