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    2010 Revelation Team: U-Turn vs. Dual Air - Is Dual Air more plush?

    The U-Turn is the adjustable travel version (120-150mm), whereas the Dual Air has fixed travel.

    I'm no expert in forks but I can tell you that the Float36 was plushier than the Talas36 I used to own due to the extra seals the Talas had for adjusting travel.

    I'm a lightweight and I do enjoy a plushier fork so I'm wondering if the fixed travel Revelation (Dual Air) will be plushier than the U-Turn for the same reasons??

    Thanks for your help!

    Mike

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    I'm in the market for one of these fork also. My decision is do I want or need the u-turn. I ride a 09 Rev u-turn on another bike and it's plush, so I'm not worried about that at all.

    I don't think the u-turn assembly causes any more stiction as there is still only one seal the actually moves on the air piston, all the other seals are fixed. There is a seal on the u-turn assembly. I believe that moves only when being adjusted, once the desired travel is achieved it doesn't move.

    Here is a picture on the u-turn assembly that I found from another thread. This is contained in the upper half of the air cylinder (top of the fork). The lower half (not pictured) contains the air piston that moves and would be the cause of any stiction.

    I believe the fix travel Rev uses the stanchion as the air cylinder instead of an separate independent air cylinder contained inside the stanchion in the u-turn version. I'm not sure if either or if why one would be plusher than the other.

    I'm not sure how the Fox Talas system works and why it would be less plush than a fixed travel Float.

    Hope this helps.
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    The pre 2009 Talas systems have an awful lot of seals. They are noticeably stickier than a Float or Van, yet not unusable in terms of small bump sensitivity.

    I am also debating between a Dual Air and the Air U-turn.
    But more because of reliability issues with the Air-U-turn.
    On Pikes/Rebas it worked fine, but some of the 2010 Revelations seem to have had issues with the U-Turn assembly?


    The Pike Air-Turn I had was as plush as the Pike coil u-turns...

    Dual air is super light though.

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    Revelation

    To U-Turn or not to U-Turn? I think I'm going with the Dual-Air as I have a Marz SL1 and haven't used the adjustablility as much as the extra cash or weight would justify. It really relates to my riding style so that is what should be taken into consideration. Searching many threads I have also heard complaints about the U-Turn 'rattle'.

    Another issue is the forks failure rate right out of the box. Some one had said order it and get it 'Pushed' as soon as you get it but that adds to the overall expense.

    But overall the reports have been positive on the overall performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsantacruzer
    Another issue is the forks failure rate right out of the box. Some one had said order it and get it 'Pushed' as soon as you get it but that adds to the overall expense.
    The obsession with PUSHing things left and right on this forum is a bit weird to someone who is not used to the concept of putting more money into the fork than into everything else on the bike combined. The fork is fine out of the box for the vast majority of people, especially the Black Box damping. It is reliable, very adjustable, and if it fails, Rock Shox will perform the warranty work for the cost of shipping and nothing more.

    I am going to miss the simplicity of Marzocchi's ETA, which I use for short steep roller climb sections very often. U-turn is a compromise in terms of speed and ease of use but still better than nothing for long steady climbs, especially now that I am running a "short" 70mm stem, making the front end wallow on steep stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsantacruzer
    To U-Turn or not to U-Turn? I think I'm going with the Dual-Air as I have a Marz SL1 and haven't used the adjustablility as much as the extra cash or weight would justify. It really relates to my riding style so that is what should be taken into consideration. Searching many threads I have also heard complaints about the U-Turn 'rattle'.

    Another issue is the forks failure rate right out of the box. Some one had said order it and get it 'Pushed' as soon as you get it but that adds to the overall expense.

    But overall the reports have been positive on the overall performance.
    My U-Turn Revelation failed five minutes after I installed it on my frame. If I had it to do all over again, I would have gotten the Dual Air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life
    My U-Turn Revelation failed five minutes after I installed it on my frame. If I had it to do all over again, I would have gotten the Dual Air.
    Have you had your fork repaired by RS or PUSH? Any failures since? Just wondering if the warranty/PUSH repair job is reliable for those that had the U-turn problem.

    Based on what Darren at PUSH has said in the other 2010 Rev thread, the U-turn issue seems like a manufacturing problem more than a design flaw, which leads me to believe it's something that can be repaired with a correctly toleranced part and should not fail after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derailin_palin
    Have you had your fork repaired by RS or PUSH? Any failures since? Just wondering if the warranty/PUSH repair job is reliable for those that had the U-turn problem.

    Based on what Darren at PUSH has said in the other 2010 Rev thread, the U-turn issue seems like a manufacturing problem more than a design flaw, which leads me to believe it's something that can be repaired with a correctly toleranced part and should not fail after that.
    I don't want to come off as a PUSH FanBoy but I sent it to PUSH. In my opinion they do great work and it's value added. I had two choices send it back to RS or send it to PUSH. The day the failure happened I made two calls one to SRAM (left a message) and one to PUSH spoke to one of the techs. I would much rather have had some saddle time on the fork before sending it to PUSH but I know they have put a lot of R&D into this fork factory system. The fork is solid albeit I haven't put a lot of miles on it but that will change in the new year

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    Go for the Dual air

    I recommend you to go for the dual air. I have if and it is quite plush for being an air fork. According to Bikeradar or MBUK the Dual air version iis supposed to be plusher. Before I bought the Revelation Team Dual air fork I called suspension specialist TF tuned and they told me that there is a problems with many Revelation U-turn forks, often as a disturbingly loud knocking sound. Unfortunately, there is no cure for this only a temporary fix The Team Dual air fork is a very sweat fork that I'm very happy with.
    Cheers

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    Thanks to all on this thread, just got a 2010 dual air and it's totally awesome...

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