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    Zee-licious

    Universal Cycles now has in stock the Zee rear der that I've been eyeing for awhile. I'm looking forward to crisper shifting with that short short cage. Yippee Zee
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    Yeah, I've been debating whether to go ZEE 1x10 - 32T and 11-36 (new der, shifter, cassette, chain) or get something like the XTR M972 9-spd derailleur and simply add a Saint short cage to it (to a relatively new drivetrain, less than 15 hrs on it this season). The difference in price between the two setups would be roughly $70 or so. I can get the XTR plus Saint cage bits for $160 and the ZEE 1x10 setup for about $230.
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    It says 1x10 but I plan on using it for 2x10. I dont see why it can't be used for 2 rings up front.

    I haven't seen the new Saint's pricing yet. Where'd you see that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    It says 1x10 but I plan on using it for 2x10. I dont see why it can't be used for 2 rings up front.
    The short cage won't have enough throw to take up all the chain necessary to accommodate two chain rings and 10 cogs, sorry.

    If you aim to run 2x10 your best bet is a medium length cage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Richard View Post
    The short cage won't have enough throw to take up all the chain necessary to accommodate two chain rings and 10 cogs, sorry.

    If you aim to run 2x10 your best bet is a medium length cage.
    The specs say up to 36T cassette but doesn't specify what size chainring. Many 1x10 can be 36T ring up front. But yes, I'm assuming here about it fitting. Hmm, now I'm wondering about this. The med cage would be safer but I really want that short cage. I guess I'll have to research more and hold my order
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    The size of the large cog and large chain ring dictates the length of chain required, the spread in gear ratios of the drive train determines the minimum amount of take up needed.

    I run 2x6 with a front derailleur and a short Saint cage, but I only have 6 cogs out back. My total spread in gears range from 23.2 gear inches to 70.4 gear inches. My rear derailleur is maxed out with 25t/ 38t front- 14-28 rear.

    Thats a difference of 47.2 gear inches, where a 12-36 run 1x9 with a 36t ring has a spread of 51.9 gear inches.

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    I hope that helps. Tell us what you find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Richard View Post
    The size of the large cog and large chain ring dictates the length of chain required, the spread in gear ratios of the drive train determines the minimum amount of take up needed.

    I run 2x6 with a front derailleur and a short Saint cage, but I only have 6 cogs out back. My total spread in gears range from 23.2 gear inches to 70.4 gear inches. My rear derailleur is maxed out with 25t/ 38t front- 14-28 rear.

    Thats a difference of 47.2 gear inches, where a 12-36 run 1x9 with a 36t ring has a spread of 51.9 gear inches.

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    I hope that helps. Tell us what you find.
    If you're maxed out with 25T rear and 38T front, then my 36T-36T wouldn't work with a short cage, assuming the Saint short cage is the same length as the short cage Zee. Shimano should specify somewhere what size front ring is max. to make this easier.

    UPdate: I spoke with a Shimano rep. He said the Zee will work fine with a 2x10 and 36T up front. Coolness
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    It says 1x10 but I plan on using it for 2x10. I dont see why it can't be used for 2 rings up front.

    I haven't seen the new Saint's pricing yet. Where'd you see that?
    I was referring to getting a new XTR 972 9spd derailleur, but like I said, it would be about $160 for just the derailleur and Saint short cage mod. Quite spendy to replace if need be.

    For this season, Jon Richard offered to help out and ship me his old XTR cage to see if I can attempt the Saint short cage mod on my current SLX derailleurs. If so, I would only spend $30 on it and leave as be. I really want a short cage Shimano 9 spd derailleur most importantly, the 1x10 I couldn't really care less about since I wouldn't be gaining much anyway, already running a 12-36 cassette.

    If the Saint cage mod won't work, I'll probably get the Zee 1x10 stuff for next season, especially after hearing people's review on them.
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    Maiden ride with the new Zee rear clutch mech. NICE !!!

    It was super quiet. Only a bit of rattle on high speed rocky stuff, otherwise crisp shifting, silent, smooth. And it works fine with my 2x10 36-36T combo. It's a bit more cross-chaining as it was compared with my XT Shadow, but the 36T rear is really a climbing gear only so that's when I drop to the granny.

    Doing the drop test, pick up the bike's rear end and drop it, the chain does not make a sound at all. Love it.

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    Can you post a pic of your setup? Been looking at getting the Zee with the clutch instead of the SLX. I'm currently running a 1x9 using an X9 short cage that's why I'm looking at the Zee.

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    Glad to hear you like it myitch. I have the Zee sitting on the shelf waiting for a frame to put it on. I really wanted to get the Saint, but prices and availability helped me get the Zee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikkosan View Post
    Can you post a pic of your setup? Been looking at getting the Zee with the clutch instead of the SLX. I'm currently running a 1x9 using an X9 short cage that's why I'm looking at the Zee.
    Not much to see with a picture.

    But if you're running a SRAM rear mech, you're going to have to change your shifters to run Shimano rear mech. The leverage ratios are not the same for the shifters and rear mechs.

    Also if it's the clutch device for chain control you're after, SRAM is making their own new rear mech with chain tension. I think it's called Type 2 or something like that.
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    My ZEE will be here on Monday Decided to go for this after the XTR Shadow broke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rednova75 View Post
    My ZEE will be here on Monday Decided to go for this after the XTR Shadow broke!
    What broke on it? The actual clutch mechanism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    What broke on it? The actual clutch mechanism?
    No, I barely clipped a rock on the clutch switch and it caused one of the lower links of the der. To break in half! I understand rockstrikes are just part of the sport, but I'm kind of annoyed that it broke on such a soft hit! Hence the purchase of the burley looking and cheaper ZEE

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    Quote Originally Posted by rednova75 View Post
    No, I barely clipped a rock on the clutch switch and it caused one of the lower links of the der. To break in half! I understand rockstrikes are just part of the sport, but I'm kind of annoyed that it broke on such a soft hit! Hence the purchase of the burley looking and cheaper ZEE
    Lower links? Do you mean the cage, the two plates holding the pulleys? So both the aluminum and carbon plates broke?

    Try calling Shimano. They might warranty it for you. I've been reading also that some of these XTRs have problems with the clutch not holding in place and allowing freeplay and chain slap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Lower links? Do you mean the cage, the two plates holding the pulleys? So both the aluminum and carbon plates broke?

    Try calling Shimano. They might warranty it for you. I've been reading also that some of these XTRs have problems with the clutch not holding in place and allowing freeplay and chain slap.
    This is one the main reasons why I ultimately decided to stay 1x9 for now and just get a new Shimano Saint M810 SS derailleur. Much better than my previous SLX GS. And my chain is definitely tighter now too with the short case. Investing in a full Zee 1x10 would have been $150 or so more than I was looking to spend and if XTR Shadow Plus was having problems, I didn't want to be a beta tester for the Zee.

    And the Saint derailleur is so stout and robust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Lower links? Do you mean the cage, the two plates holding the pulleys? So both the aluminum and carbon plates broke?

    Try calling Shimano. They might warranty it for you. I've been reading also that some of these XTRs have problems with the clutch not holding in place and allowing freeplay and chain slap.
    No not the cage plates. Ill post a pic tomorrow.

    Got a short ride on the ZEE today and I can say from the short time on it I am very impressed! The chain was kept nice and taught and the shifting was super crisp. Will be interested to see how it lasts long term, but for now it seems like it will be a great purchase

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    Sorry for necroposting, but I found this thread when I was looking up the possibility of running the Zee rear derailleur with a 2x10 setup and am intrigued to find that it seems to work. Anyone care to comment now, a few months later? Still working fine?

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    I'm also interested in how the Zee is working for 2x10 systems.

    I'm running a 24/32 crankset, so the 25t capacity of the Zee intrigues me, as I would never use the smaller cassette rings (11, 13, 15, 17, etc) when in 24 granny up front. Would folks advise me to still just stick with the medium cage Shadow Plus Rear Derailleurs, or possibly consider the Zee/Saint Shadow Plus? Cranks will be 24/32, and Cassette will be 11-32.

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    As most of you know, Shimano is claiming all the shadow + derailleurs are strictly 10 speed. I am one of those who refuse to 'downgrade' to a 10 speed just to take advantage of the improved rear derailluers. Sorry but I'd would rather spend the couple hundred $ on something more practical over replacing a perfectly good drivetrain. Besides I discovered it's possible to create a 2X9 9 speed drive train with a greater gear ratio compared to 10 speed. 22/36 up front, 11-34 in back. But that's for another discussion..
    Somewhere on MTB, someone posted a 'hack' to make it work with 9 speed, In short the hack consists of a 1/4" spacer where the shifter cable is bolted to the derailleur. Spacing the cable out changes the pull rate so it approximates a 9 speed version. Most importantly however the shifter must be a SRAM coupled with the the Shimano shadow + Again, this effects the pull rate.
    I recently installed a Zee short cage expecting to do the above hack, but found out it wasn't necessary. Coupled with a Sram shifter, the Zee shifting works fine without mods. So good news to those running a 9 speed drive train, single up front and want to eliminate chain slap. BTW, I already had a chain retention device, but the Zee is far more effective. No more chain slap into spokes. Yay.
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    So I'm on a 9spd SRAM X9 setup now. Is it just as simple as taking my X9 RD off then slap on a Zee shadow + an that's it?

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    Providing you are running a 1X9, the Zee should work. I did nothing special on mine. Took it out for a couple of rides and so far it's shifting fine. Worst possible scenerio is having to add a 1/4" spacer behind the shifter cable where it clamps to derailleur. Perhaps a 1X9 setup is not as critical as a 2X9 or 3X9 setup, where the spacer comes into play. Be sure to order the FR version of the Zee. The DH version is for a smaller cassette.

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    Yup, I'm running 1x9 now with 30 in front and 11-34 in the rear. This sounds interesting as I want to get into the shadow +. I might pull the trigger on a Zee FR RD. Thanks!

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    I hope this works cause I just bought a Zee for this reason.
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    As I mentioned earlier, if you are planning on installing on a 1X9 drivetrain, you must use a SRAM shifter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBAD View Post
    I hope this works cause I just bought a Zee for this reason.


    Any updates? How did it work out for you?

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    I am running a Zee rear derailleur with a I-spec saint shifter and 11-36 cassette. Let me say i cannot tell you guys how well this derailleur performs! it is pretty much silent, super crisp shifting it has the feel of my old x9 9spd. I tired out of the the SRAM type 2 derailleur it wasn't there yet i had all sort of problems with it. So if you are thinking about getting this derailleur stop, just get it and enjoy!



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    I'm using a zee rd with my 9 speed X-0 shifter. Perfect shifting...no spacer required. Just installed today so I guess we'll see how it works long term.

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    Still looking for comments from anyone using the Zee for 2x10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by svalgis View Post
    Still looking for comments from anyone using the Zee for 2x10.
    If I'm not mistaken, the Zee only comes with a short cage, good for 1X9 or 1X10 setups. It won't have the reach for 2X10. You'll need a medium or long cage for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    If you're maxed out with 25T rear and 38T front, then my 36T-36T wouldn't work with a short cage, assuming the Saint short cage is the same length as the short cage Zee. Shimano should specify somewhere what size front ring is max. to make this easier.

    UPdate: I spoke with a Shimano rep. He said the Zee will work fine with a 2x10 and 36T up front. Coolness

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    My zee as DH engraved on the link where you bolt it to the hanger, can i use this with a 11-36t cog, plan to put it on my project enduro build. My lbs has no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DexTan View Post
    My zee as DH engraved on the link where you bolt it to the hanger, can i use this with a 11-36t cog, plan to put it on my project enduro build. My lbs has no idea.
    Nope...dh = close ratio cassette. You need a FR version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marti163 View Post
    Nope...dh = close ratio cassette. You need a FR version.
    Got it! And with a little bit of research, i found out i have a M640SSC and i need the M640SSW to run 11-36t.

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    For those wanting to know about 2x10 and 36 front, 36 rear. Better to go with a med or long cage. It might work if you're running 34t big cog cassette, IDK

    My setup:
    2x10, 22-36 front, 11-36 rear

    On both my DW Link Mojo HD and VPP SC TRc, with the chain growth there's just too much pull. By the time I set up the chain just short enough to have decent tension in the 36 front-11 rear combo it was too short for those "opps" times when you cross shift and go big-big (36-36) under full suspension compression. I like to set up my bikes with that "opps" in mind to prevent trouble. I'd hate to snap a chain or something.

    Dang, and the Shimano tech said it should work! He should refund my money since he obviously didn't know his own product. Now I'm stuck with a rear der I cant use and have to buy a new one.
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    Gee, that sucks, sorry man.
    Do you reckon it would work on a HT though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by svalgis View Post
    Gee, that sucks, sorry man.
    Do you reckon it would work on a HT though?
    On an HT yes. There won't be much tension when it's in the 36t front and 11t rear and the 36-36 will be at its limit so there'll be more chain slap but it will shift and you won't snap the chain. But with little tension on the derailleur in the 11-36 combo it kinda defeats the purpose of having the clutch.

    I have it set up on my FS bike but I'm going to replace it with a med cage Plus soon before I break something
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    Alright, might as well go for a medium caged RD then by the sound of it. I recently got rid of my Zee together with my bike and was pondering whether to get a new one or not for my new 2x10 build. Thanks.

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    I just purchased a zee rd to mate with my 9spd X9 shifter. I seem to be having problems running it smoothly on my 5 spot. On the first 5 small cogs it's ok but starts to get funky as you get to the bigger cogs.

    Did any of you guys have any tuning gremlins on yours?



    EDIT:

    Finally figured it out! Forgot to adjust the B screw. doh! Finally shifting well now. Will have a go on it tomorrow. Hopefully there won't be any problems.
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    I am not sure on how gear ratio's work. But from what I am reading here would I be right in assuming a 2x10 with a 24/32 front would work with a 11-34 rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    For those wanting to know about 2x10 and 36 front, 36 rear. Better to go with a med or long cage. It might work if you're running 34t big cog cassette, IDK

    My setup:
    2x10, 22-36 front, 11-36 rear

    On both my DW Link Mojo HD and VPP SC TRc, with the chain growth there's just too much pull. By the time I set up the chain just short enough to have decent tension in the 36 front-11 rear combo it was too short for those "opps" times when you cross shift and go big-big (36-36) under full suspension compression. I like to set up my bikes with that "opps" in mind to prevent trouble. I'd hate to snap a chain or something.

    Dang, and the Shimano tech said it should work! He should refund my money since he obviously didn't know his own product. Now I'm stuck with a rear der I cant use and have to buy a new one.
    You said you spoke to a rep. Reps are usually not techs, or mechanics, or engineers.

    Now, I think you might not have asked the correct question. Did you specify that you wanted to run 2x10 with an 11-36 and 22-36?
    Running 2x10 with "a 36 tooth ring" and a short cage is actually possible. This is what road bikes do. But road cassettes aren't bigger that 28T, and there is less difference in most road cranksets between the small and big rings. The absolute size of the ring does not matter to the derailleur, as sizing the chain compensates for this. What matter to the RD is the range of teeth that it has to take up chain slack for, and the size of biggest cog on the cassette, so the upper pulley can clear the cog and not crash into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    I am not sure on how gear ratio's work. But from what I am reading here would I be right in assuming a 2x10 with a 24/32 front would work with a 11-34 rear?
    No. Use a med cage.

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    I just ordered a zee shifter and rd (fr version 36t). I'd like to run a 2x10 set up with 24/36 or 24/38 up front. Will this combo/set up work. Anyone running it? Any problems?

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    The front chainring size in a 1x9 or 10 (or 11 or...) set-up won't affect the rear derailleur's shifting or being able to wrap the chain. The Rear mech has a maximum number of teeth it can reach up to on the rear casette, and the maximum amount (in teeth) of chain it can allow to spread and still maintain tension and clearance (wrap)... If there are two or more rings in the front, then the difference of the sizes in the rings counts towards that wrap capacity. If there is only one ring it won't add to that total, whether it's 24t or 54t. It's difference towards the wrap always remains zero... Zee has a Freeride version and a DH version - both wrap 25t, but the DH model maxes out at a 28t on the largest rear cog. The FR model handles up to a 36t cassette at max wrap (36t - 11t = 25t)

    Theoretically, you could run a 32tx24t front crankset (8t difference) and run the 11-28 cassette (17t diff) and be at the wrap maximums. Low gear would work out to just over 22 gear inches for a 26" tire. Just about 1 gear inch lower than the 32t front with a 36t rear. But a lot more complexity and extra weight for one gear inch... I'd go the FR Zee M-640 RD and the 11-36 [Edit: with a single ring!] if you are not strictly competing in DH... Nice looking, inexpensive equipment.
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    ATBscott. Thanks for the reply. I'm not a downhiller rider and more of a trails rider who likes to ride aggressively going down the mountain. I do however have to climb a lot. I've got more of an xc background so I need a small ring up front to help me up the long climbs we have here in my area. So the 36t up front and 36t back is the max it will go? I'll just have to remember to not get in that gear so much. I'm pretty good with avoiding cross lining my gears. Do you think an 11-34 cassette will work out better?

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    Will this or will this not work with a 10-speed 11-36 cassette, and a 32/22 front chainring setup, with a ZEE FR rear der (larger capacity)?

    If not, I don't understand why not? I am currently running a 32 chainring with an 11-36 cassette, I know that adding the little ring will probably negate the use of the 3 small cogs in the back with the granny up front, but I don't use that anyways. I have a Ventana El Terremoto and chain growth through the suspension action is nil at best, so will it work?
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    The Zee FR can work with 36T, but a short cage most likely will not work with a dual front ring as it cannot take up the slack in the chain when in the smallest gears and still have enough slack when in the largest. The SLX M665 mid-cage should work and is very similar to the Zee. A mid cage can handle a 37t difference, the formula for determining is:
    - Front large-small 32-22 = 10
    - Rear large-small 36-11 = 25
    - Total capacity 35.
    Shimano says 23T for short cage although I've read more like 25T, Mid cage to 37T, long cage for everything else.

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    That's what I needed to hear. Big Thanks.

    But... Say you set up big big. Theoretically, all you lose is the small small gears - right? Actually, I'm fine with that cause the small ring would be my bail out ring for the long steep climbs that we have.

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    Still confused.

    But the ZEE FR version is rated to 36T, correct? So with that, and with the calculation above, it would work with a 32 front chainring - again, I am running a 32 chainring, not any larger or smaller. I have NO PROBLEM with 32 front / 36 rear now, still don't grasp why adding a smaller front chainring would present a stretch problem?
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    Yes, the chain would be very slack/droop. It could work if you avoided the gears that caused it to droop. It would be more than just small small, but not the whole range. If it were me, I'd go SLX.

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    Thank you. Anyone want to buy a near-new Zee FR rear der? LOL
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    It's not the stretch problem in the big big situation. When in small small (22 front 11 cog), there would be so much chain that the short cage wouldn't be able to keep enough tension. So I think the rd would be rubbing up against itself. Am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    But the ZEE FR version is rated to 36T, correct? So with that, and with the calculation above, it would work with a 32 front chainring - again, I am running a 32 chainring, not any larger or smaller. I have NO PROBLEM with 32 front / 36 rear now, still don't grasp why adding a smaller front chainring would present a stretch problem?
    It's not the stretch, when you set it up for 32 & 36, but you will have a chain droop when you drop to the 22 and hit the lower half of the cassette. If you plan for that and go on the larger ring, you could see a very tight rear derailleur and snap something during use of the travel. Not guaranteed, just going by the formula.

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    OK, I think I'm still going to try my set up and avoid the Big Big Set up. Here's my set up.

    11-36 rear
    24/38 front

    My reason is just to avoid the big big set up since this will cause the most chain line and drag. I currently use a tripple set up and will always drop before I go big big out of instinct. This means though, I will spend majority of my time in the small ring. It should still work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmanuel09 View Post
    ATBscott. Thanks for the reply. I'm not a downhiller rider and more of a trails rider who likes to ride aggressively going down the mountain. I do however have to climb a lot. I've got more of an xc background so I need a small ring up front to help me up the long climbs we have here in my area. So the 36t up front and 36t back is the max it will go? I'll just have to remember to not get in that gear so much. I'm pretty good with avoiding cross lining my gears. Do you think an 11-34 cassette will work out better?
    Hadn't been on the last day or so - but it looks like a lot of other people have commented on the scenario. The Zee Derailleur doesn't really change cage length between the models, just the distance from the hanger which allows the larger cog on the rear. To have more chain wrap capacity you really need a longer cage, and like a few others said, an SLX RD is probably the best choice for a fairly burly rear mech that will allow you to run a 2x10 with real "trail gears". SLX isn't that much tougher than XT, but it is a little bit - and it's cheaper to replace when you find that rock that has learned to catch a Shadow+ derailleur!
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    Thanks guys, I understand now, I thought it was a longer cage. I will be ordering the SLX mid-cage to convert "back" to 2x10. 1x10 just doesn't work for me and my terrain, too much chunk and steep ups. I'll be listing my Andersen Machine works 30T ring in the classifieds (after only 1 ride!) as well as the ZEE FR derailleur as soon as I get them in!

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    Well, 2 x 10 set up can work but you will lose some range. You can tighten the range down depending on the front ring combo. The tighter the better. Mine was 14 difference and I set it up big Big. With that set up I lost the small and small 3 gears in the cog.

    With that said, I took it off and went xt.

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    Zee with 1x9 guys....any more feedback after more riding??? Still gravy?

    I am gonna pm you guys with FR zees for sale, but I'm not gonna wait too long to hear back since I noticed how clapped my current der is

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    Zee-licious

    Been on it since November 2012. No problems at all.

    X9 9speed shifter, Zee FR, 11-34 XT cogs and SLX cranks.

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    Same here with a 1X9 setup. Zee FR, 11-34, SRAM X7 9spd shifter. Never had to adjust the shifting since installed 8 months ago. In fact it seems to shift better than the original X9 rear derailleur.
    I plan to install an XT shadow plus der on a my 21lb carbon rigid with a 1X9 setup. The chain slap is really annoying.

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    Any idea if this would work with a XT Shadow + and a SRAM shifter as well?

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    Yep, Shimano Dynasys (mountain 10 speed) works fine with SRAM 1:1 (mtn 9 speed).

    Anyway, Anyone want to trade a short cage for a long cage? I've got an XT Shadow+ that has a long cage and I'm willing to tear it apart to switch out cages with someone that needs it for their drivetrain. I'm on 1x10.
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    Really? Wow. I just had to convert my bike bike to 2x9 as 1x10 was a bit much for me, but the only thing I feel like I am missing out on is the roller clutch I enjoyed on my 10 speed setup. So confirmed, a Shomano Dyna Sys Shadow Plus Rear will work wit an X9 9-speed shifter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    So confirmed, a Shomano Dyna Sys Shadow Plus Rear will work wit an X9 9-speed shifter?
    Yep, my Zee derailleur works perfectly with an SRAM X-9 9-speed grip shifter. Shifting requires a slightly heavier touch, but I think the entire setup is confidence-inspiring. That derailleur is not budging until you want it to move.

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    How to differentiate between FR and DH versions?

    Quote Originally Posted by DexTan View Post
    My zee as DH engraved on the link where you bolt it to the hanger, can i use this with a 11-36t cog, plan to put it on my project enduro build. My lbs has no idea.
    LBS says they have the RD in stock but are too stupid to know which version it is. So is it simply a "DH" or "FR" engraved on the derailleur as it says above? Or maybe "SSW" or "SSC?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    LBS says they have the RD in stock but are too stupid to know which version it is. So is it simply a "DH" or "FR" engraved on the derailleur as it says above? Or maybe "SSW" or "SSC?"
    When I got mine, I saw in the LBS that the DH version has DH engraved on the link. My FR version has no engraving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikkosan View Post
    When I got mine, I saw in the LBS that the DH version has DH engraved on the link. My FR version has no engraving.
    Thanks for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikkosan View Post
    Been on it since November 2012. No problems at all.

    X9 9speed shifter, Zee FR, 11-34 XT cogs and SLX cranks.
    based on above setup, should I use 9 or 10 speed chains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by damen View Post
    based on above setup, should I use 9 or 10 speed chains?
    I would believe it would based on your cassette due to the spacing between the cogs. Don't quote me on it though. My bike was set up as 2x10; SLX 10 speed cassette, rear der, shifters, chain, SLX 9 speed FD, and SLX 2x9 crankset.

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    Question, I just purchased a zee FR derailleur to run with an xx1 crank and 11-36 rear cassette. I plan to swap between 32 and 28 teeth on the front ring depending on the trail of choice. That said will I have too much chain drop when moving from 32 - 28 on the zee? Should I just go med cage XT or will the zee suffice without cutting the chain? Also as a 3rd option would it be a bad idea to just have multiple chains for each size chainring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Question, I just purchased a zee FR derailleur to run with an xx1 crank and 11-36 rear cassette. I plan to swap between 32 and 28 teeth on the front ring depending on the trail of choice. That said will I have too much chain drop when moving from 32 - 28 on the zee? Should I just go med cage XT or will the zee suffice without cutting the chain? Also as a 3rd option would it be a bad idea to just have multiple chains for each size chainring?
    I would go with multiple chains if you need to switch out rings. Look at what Rsabarese said:

    "The Zee FR can work with 36T, but a short cage most likely will not work with a dual front ring as it cannot take up the slack in the chain when in the smallest gears and still have enough slack when in the largest. The SLX M665 mid-cage should work and is very similar to the Zee. A mid cage can handle a 37t difference, the formula for determining is:
    - Front large-small 32-22 = 10
    - Rear large-small 36-11 = 25
    - Total capacity 35.
    Shimano says 23T for short cage although I've read more like 25T, Mid cage to 37T, long cage for everything else."

    If Shimano says this is the difference it can handle, why would you try to push the envelope?

    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    Really? Wow. I just had to convert my bike bike to 2x9 as 1x10 was a bit much for me, but the only thing I feel like I am missing out on is the roller clutch I enjoyed on my 10 speed setup. So confirmed, a Shomano Dyna Sys Shadow Plus Rear will work wit an X9 9-speed shifter?
    If it's a med cage, yes. If it's a short cage, it still won't work with a 2x9.

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    Think I'm just going to swap the zee for a med cage XT and play it safe. This way I can run 1 chain and swap out chainrings as needed.

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    What are you building up Chawdapilot?

    I just set up a 2x10 XT setup with a Zee RD and it's fine with the exception of the chain going slack on the smaller half of the rear cassette when in the granny ring. I'm normally quick to get out of the granny gear and I'm on a hardtail so dont have to deal with chaingrowth. Works great in the stand and on the pavement but wont be able to hit a trail on this bike til Sunday.

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    I've got a Kona Honzo that I'm upgrading to a 1x10. I plan to run different front rings depending on the trail. That said I'll be using the XX1 crank so swapping out rings from a 32 to 28 (for climbing) will most likely be the gears of choice. I hope to be able to simply swap out rings and go but need the ability to run all gears with proper tension. The only way I can see doing this without using multiple chains is using a med or long cage derailleur as the zee is simply too short to take up the slack when dropping 4 (or more) teeth.

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    What cassette will you be running? If you use an 11-32T cassette (21T capacity) and size the chain for the 32 chainring you'll be fine with the 28T chainring (add 4T to the total derailleur capacity) on there since the Zee derailleur can handle a 25T capacity.

    Or keep 1 chain and run the 28T chainring with the 11-36 cassette and a 32T chainring with an 11-32T cassette for the same overall between setups. Although changing a cassette is much more difficult than popping a masterlink and swapping a chain which leads me to the third option:
    Using two master links and 1-2 standard links separated out to add/subtract a few links from the chain when changing chainrings. Size the chain with the 28T chainring, then add 1-2 links plus another masterlink when you add the 32T chainring. Use Wippermann Connex links and you can do this without tools . . .

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    I only have one cassette as the old drive train is 9 speed. Sounds way to complex to try to run the zee over the med cage XT. With the XT chain tension should not be an issue making quick swaps to from 32 to 28 require only one chain, cassette and no additional master links. My zee is new so I just need to send it back to the retailer for the XT and be done. I think I have answered my own question.

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    Why is it that you're worried about having two chains? It wouldn't be too much more complication than swapping chain rings.

    In my opinion, it's worth it to do it that way because of how awesome the short cage derailleur is. Obviously I don't know what your rides are, but with a 32 front and 36 rear, you might be use the 28 much less than you think, especially if this will be your first 10 speed.

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    2 chains is still an option though I thought it was not a good idea to swap chains on cassettes. Something to do with them wearing in together etc. If it is indeed ok to swap chains then I may stick with the zee and run 2 chains.

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    So I'm going to start moving things over to 1x10 tonight. I have both the med cage xt and short cage zee and one will be returned tomorrow. At this time I'm leaning toward the zee and using different chains as needed. Are there any major issues when using multiple chains on the same cassette? Prob split use between the 2 evenly so they should have similar wear.

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    I think it's just snake oil. I have replaced several chains without replacing the cassette. Remember that the xt will also kick ass compared to whatever you had on there before.

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    Had an old 9speed XT on there before but it is done. Time to upgrade to 10 speed!

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    There are some guys who rotate between several chains in order to prolong the life of the rings/cogs. You should be fine swapping between chains. Highly recommend picking up a Wippermann Connex masterlink - it's pricey but will allow you to swap chains without needing to use any special pliers to remove the master link. However, be sure to skip the Wippermann chain - it's a heavy clunky thing that shifts poorly but lasts forever.

    KMC X10.93 chains w/ Wippermann Connex links are what I recommend.

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    guys, can XT with shadow+ be used with a 9 speed sram shifter on a 2x9 setup in the same way the zee works with a 1x9 setup?

    I've been so happy with my cheap shadow plus upgrade, and now im just asking for a friend that needs a new der but doesnt feel like taking on the $ of a 10spd upgrade

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    Yes it can. I think some people have reported on their own experience in this thread. Go back a few pages.

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    Thanks and please pardon the reading comprehension fail

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    Went with the zee instead of the XT short cage. All I can say is the zee is a great setup for 1x10. Nice work Shimano!

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    Hi there,gone to 1x10 on my 2010 Enduro and have a SLX middle cage ,a friend of mine broke is derailleur and i´m going to sell him de SLX and was thinking of buying a Zee for 11-36,i use a 32T ring up front a 11-36 cassette,heard somewhere that when you set your chain lenght with the Fox Shock deflated the Zee doesnt cut the chain slack when on the 11T cog,anyone?




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    Zee rear hub free body tool !?
    need the tool to tighten the freehub body ! help !
    after a mud-fest, I checked the hub, the axle and bearings where ok tight.
    but where the cassette was it was a little wobbly, had some play.
    got the axle off, now what. Don't know what tool I need to tighten the freehub body.
    thanks

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    I have the bracket axle unit for the DH version (for close ratio cassettes) and am in need of a FR version b axle unit. They are different: The Zee short cage problem | Peter Verdone Designs

    If anyone else is willing to swap b-axle units, send me a message. Mine is off of a brand new rear derailleur. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkston32 View Post
    I have the bracket axle unit for the DH version (for close ratio cassettes) and am in need of a FR version b axle unit. They are different: The Zee short cage problem | Peter Verdone Designs

    If anyone else is willing to swap b-axle units, send me a message. Mine is off of a brand new rear derailleur. Thanks!
    Strange that that blog you linked to says "Thinking hard about bicycles..." and yet he didn't do enough research to know that there are two versions of the RD before he made the purchase
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    True. I only bought my DH version since I wasn't sure what direction my build would go. I got a killer deal on it, and buying a new b axle would still be a better deal than any I could find on the FR version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullit43 View Post
    Hi there,gone to 1x10 on my 2010 Enduro and have a SLX middle cage ,a friend of mine broke is derailleur and i´m going to sell him de SLX and was thinking of buying a Zee for 11-36,i use a 32T ring up front a 11-36 cassette,heard somewhere that when you set your chain lenght with the Fox Shock deflated the Zee doesnt cut the chain slack when on the 11T cog,anyone?



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    Converted my SS to 1x10 in May2013 but never got around to posting anything about it.
    I started commuting to work and the SS was just too hard on my body.
    Apart from a minor adjustment after the first real ride, the Zee RD has been working flawlessly so far. Got iSpec SLX shifters and a SLX 11-36t cassette to go with it. I'm gearing down to a 32t RaceFace Narrow-Wide up front (currently on a Blackspire Mono Veloce 34t) and ditching the bashwich, but the RF still out of stock where I ordered it from. 'hoping it'll get to me by next month.
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    Will the Zee RD work with 46/36 chainrings and 12-25 cassette? Total capacity 23T? And should I choose the DH or FR version? Will the FR version also work with 12-25? Thinking of using it on my flat-bar Cyclocross bike because of the short cage. Also, will the SLX medium cage work with this setup?
    Thanks!

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    Yep, it's got 25T capacity.

    Clutch derailleur is awesome for CX but really makes me glad I'm running SRAM on my CX bike. X9 Type 2 out back has been keeping bumpy descents silent and I havent dropped a chain since I installed it, even dropping my bike from shoulder height to show off to a few friends.

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