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    Yes, the chain would be very slack/droop. It could work if you avoided the gears that caused it to droop. It would be more than just small small, but not the whole range. If it were me, I'd go SLX.

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    Thank you. Anyone want to buy a near-new Zee FR rear der? LOL
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    It's not the stretch problem in the big big situation. When in small small (22 front 11 cog), there would be so much chain that the short cage wouldn't be able to keep enough tension. So I think the rd would be rubbing up against itself. Am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    But the ZEE FR version is rated to 36T, correct? So with that, and with the calculation above, it would work with a 32 front chainring - again, I am running a 32 chainring, not any larger or smaller. I have NO PROBLEM with 32 front / 36 rear now, still don't grasp why adding a smaller front chainring would present a stretch problem?
    It's not the stretch, when you set it up for 32 & 36, but you will have a chain droop when you drop to the 22 and hit the lower half of the cassette. If you plan for that and go on the larger ring, you could see a very tight rear derailleur and snap something during use of the travel. Not guaranteed, just going by the formula.

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    OK, I think I'm still going to try my set up and avoid the Big Big Set up. Here's my set up.

    11-36 rear
    24/38 front

    My reason is just to avoid the big big set up since this will cause the most chain line and drag. I currently use a tripple set up and will always drop before I go big big out of instinct. This means though, I will spend majority of my time in the small ring. It should still work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmanuel09 View Post
    ATBscott. Thanks for the reply. I'm not a downhiller rider and more of a trails rider who likes to ride aggressively going down the mountain. I do however have to climb a lot. I've got more of an xc background so I need a small ring up front to help me up the long climbs we have here in my area. So the 36t up front and 36t back is the max it will go? I'll just have to remember to not get in that gear so much. I'm pretty good with avoiding cross lining my gears. Do you think an 11-34 cassette will work out better?
    Hadn't been on the last day or so - but it looks like a lot of other people have commented on the scenario. The Zee Derailleur doesn't really change cage length between the models, just the distance from the hanger which allows the larger cog on the rear. To have more chain wrap capacity you really need a longer cage, and like a few others said, an SLX RD is probably the best choice for a fairly burly rear mech that will allow you to run a 2x10 with real "trail gears". SLX isn't that much tougher than XT, but it is a little bit - and it's cheaper to replace when you find that rock that has learned to catch a Shadow+ derailleur!
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    Thanks guys, I understand now, I thought it was a longer cage. I will be ordering the SLX mid-cage to convert "back" to 2x10. 1x10 just doesn't work for me and my terrain, too much chunk and steep ups. I'll be listing my Andersen Machine works 30T ring in the classifieds (after only 1 ride!) as well as the ZEE FR derailleur as soon as I get them in!

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    Well, 2 x 10 set up can work but you will lose some range. You can tighten the range down depending on the front ring combo. The tighter the better. Mine was 14 difference and I set it up big Big. With that set up I lost the small and small 3 gears in the cog.

    With that said, I took it off and went xt.

    I have a the zee and shifter for sale. PM me if interested.

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    Zee with 1x9 guys....any more feedback after more riding??? Still gravy?

    I am gonna pm you guys with FR zees for sale, but I'm not gonna wait too long to hear back since I noticed how clapped my current der is

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    Zee-licious

    Been on it since November 2012. No problems at all.

    X9 9speed shifter, Zee FR, 11-34 XT cogs and SLX cranks.

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    Same here with a 1X9 setup. Zee FR, 11-34, SRAM X7 9spd shifter. Never had to adjust the shifting since installed 8 months ago. In fact it seems to shift better than the original X9 rear derailleur.
    I plan to install an XT shadow plus der on a my 21lb carbon rigid with a 1X9 setup. The chain slap is really annoying.

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    Any idea if this would work with a XT Shadow + and a SRAM shifter as well?

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    Yep, Shimano Dynasys (mountain 10 speed) works fine with SRAM 1:1 (mtn 9 speed).

    Anyway, Anyone want to trade a short cage for a long cage? I've got an XT Shadow+ that has a long cage and I'm willing to tear it apart to switch out cages with someone that needs it for their drivetrain. I'm on 1x10.
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    Really? Wow. I just had to convert my bike bike to 2x9 as 1x10 was a bit much for me, but the only thing I feel like I am missing out on is the roller clutch I enjoyed on my 10 speed setup. So confirmed, a Shomano Dyna Sys Shadow Plus Rear will work wit an X9 9-speed shifter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    So confirmed, a Shomano Dyna Sys Shadow Plus Rear will work wit an X9 9-speed shifter?
    Yep, my Zee derailleur works perfectly with an SRAM X-9 9-speed grip shifter. Shifting requires a slightly heavier touch, but I think the entire setup is confidence-inspiring. That derailleur is not budging until you want it to move.

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    How to differentiate between FR and DH versions?

    Quote Originally Posted by DexTan View Post
    My zee as DH engraved on the link where you bolt it to the hanger, can i use this with a 11-36t cog, plan to put it on my project enduro build. My lbs has no idea.
    LBS says they have the RD in stock but are too stupid to know which version it is. So is it simply a "DH" or "FR" engraved on the derailleur as it says above? Or maybe "SSW" or "SSC?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1Gel View Post
    LBS says they have the RD in stock but are too stupid to know which version it is. So is it simply a "DH" or "FR" engraved on the derailleur as it says above? Or maybe "SSW" or "SSC?"
    When I got mine, I saw in the LBS that the DH version has DH engraved on the link. My FR version has no engraving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikkosan View Post
    When I got mine, I saw in the LBS that the DH version has DH engraved on the link. My FR version has no engraving.
    Thanks for that
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    [never mind; I've seen a pic elsewhere; thanks anyway]
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikkosan View Post
    Been on it since November 2012. No problems at all.

    X9 9speed shifter, Zee FR, 11-34 XT cogs and SLX cranks.
    based on above setup, should I use 9 or 10 speed chains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by damen View Post
    based on above setup, should I use 9 or 10 speed chains?
    I would believe it would based on your cassette due to the spacing between the cogs. Don't quote me on it though. My bike was set up as 2x10; SLX 10 speed cassette, rear der, shifters, chain, SLX 9 speed FD, and SLX 2x9 crankset.

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    Question, I just purchased a zee FR derailleur to run with an xx1 crank and 11-36 rear cassette. I plan to swap between 32 and 28 teeth on the front ring depending on the trail of choice. That said will I have too much chain drop when moving from 32 - 28 on the zee? Should I just go med cage XT or will the zee suffice without cutting the chain? Also as a 3rd option would it be a bad idea to just have multiple chains for each size chainring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Question, I just purchased a zee FR derailleur to run with an xx1 crank and 11-36 rear cassette. I plan to swap between 32 and 28 teeth on the front ring depending on the trail of choice. That said will I have too much chain drop when moving from 32 - 28 on the zee? Should I just go med cage XT or will the zee suffice without cutting the chain? Also as a 3rd option would it be a bad idea to just have multiple chains for each size chainring?
    I would go with multiple chains if you need to switch out rings. Look at what Rsabarese said:

    "The Zee FR can work with 36T, but a short cage most likely will not work with a dual front ring as it cannot take up the slack in the chain when in the smallest gears and still have enough slack when in the largest. The SLX M665 mid-cage should work and is very similar to the Zee. A mid cage can handle a 37t difference, the formula for determining is:
    - Front large-small 32-22 = 10
    - Rear large-small 36-11 = 25
    - Total capacity 35.
    Shimano says 23T for short cage although I've read more like 25T, Mid cage to 37T, long cage for everything else."

    If Shimano says this is the difference it can handle, why would you try to push the envelope?

    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    Really? Wow. I just had to convert my bike bike to 2x9 as 1x10 was a bit much for me, but the only thing I feel like I am missing out on is the roller clutch I enjoyed on my 10 speed setup. So confirmed, a Shomano Dyna Sys Shadow Plus Rear will work wit an X9 9-speed shifter?
    If it's a med cage, yes. If it's a short cage, it still won't work with a 2x9.

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    Think I'm just going to swap the zee for a med cage XT and play it safe. This way I can run 1 chain and swap out chainrings as needed.

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    What are you building up Chawdapilot?

    I just set up a 2x10 XT setup with a Zee RD and it's fine with the exception of the chain going slack on the smaller half of the rear cassette when in the granny ring. I'm normally quick to get out of the granny gear and I'm on a hardtail so dont have to deal with chaingrowth. Works great in the stand and on the pavement but wont be able to hit a trail on this bike til Sunday.

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    I've got a Kona Honzo that I'm upgrading to a 1x10. I plan to run different front rings depending on the trail. That said I'll be using the XX1 crank so swapping out rings from a 32 to 28 (for climbing) will most likely be the gears of choice. I hope to be able to simply swap out rings and go but need the ability to run all gears with proper tension. The only way I can see doing this without using multiple chains is using a med or long cage derailleur as the zee is simply too short to take up the slack when dropping 4 (or more) teeth.

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    What cassette will you be running? If you use an 11-32T cassette (21T capacity) and size the chain for the 32 chainring you'll be fine with the 28T chainring (add 4T to the total derailleur capacity) on there since the Zee derailleur can handle a 25T capacity.

    Or keep 1 chain and run the 28T chainring with the 11-36 cassette and a 32T chainring with an 11-32T cassette for the same overall between setups. Although changing a cassette is much more difficult than popping a masterlink and swapping a chain which leads me to the third option:
    Using two master links and 1-2 standard links separated out to add/subtract a few links from the chain when changing chainrings. Size the chain with the 28T chainring, then add 1-2 links plus another masterlink when you add the 32T chainring. Use Wippermann Connex links and you can do this without tools . . .

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    I only have one cassette as the old drive train is 9 speed. Sounds way to complex to try to run the zee over the med cage XT. With the XT chain tension should not be an issue making quick swaps to from 32 to 28 require only one chain, cassette and no additional master links. My zee is new so I just need to send it back to the retailer for the XT and be done. I think I have answered my own question.

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    Why is it that you're worried about having two chains? It wouldn't be too much more complication than swapping chain rings.

    In my opinion, it's worth it to do it that way because of how awesome the short cage derailleur is. Obviously I don't know what your rides are, but with a 32 front and 36 rear, you might be use the 28 much less than you think, especially if this will be your first 10 speed.

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    2 chains is still an option though I thought it was not a good idea to swap chains on cassettes. Something to do with them wearing in together etc. If it is indeed ok to swap chains then I may stick with the zee and run 2 chains.

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    So I'm going to start moving things over to 1x10 tonight. I have both the med cage xt and short cage zee and one will be returned tomorrow. At this time I'm leaning toward the zee and using different chains as needed. Are there any major issues when using multiple chains on the same cassette? Prob split use between the 2 evenly so they should have similar wear.

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    I think it's just snake oil. I have replaced several chains without replacing the cassette. Remember that the xt will also kick ass compared to whatever you had on there before.

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    Had an old 9speed XT on there before but it is done. Time to upgrade to 10 speed!

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    There are some guys who rotate between several chains in order to prolong the life of the rings/cogs. You should be fine swapping between chains. Highly recommend picking up a Wippermann Connex masterlink - it's pricey but will allow you to swap chains without needing to use any special pliers to remove the master link. However, be sure to skip the Wippermann chain - it's a heavy clunky thing that shifts poorly but lasts forever.

    KMC X10.93 chains w/ Wippermann Connex links are what I recommend.

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    guys, can XT with shadow+ be used with a 9 speed sram shifter on a 2x9 setup in the same way the zee works with a 1x9 setup?

    I've been so happy with my cheap shadow plus upgrade, and now im just asking for a friend that needs a new der but doesnt feel like taking on the $ of a 10spd upgrade

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    Yes it can. I think some people have reported on their own experience in this thread. Go back a few pages.

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    Thanks and please pardon the reading comprehension fail

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    Went with the zee instead of the XT short cage. All I can say is the zee is a great setup for 1x10. Nice work Shimano!

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    Hi there,gone to 1x10 on my 2010 Enduro and have a SLX middle cage ,a friend of mine broke is derailleur and im going to sell him de SLX and was thinking of buying a Zee for 11-36,i use a 32T ring up front a 11-36 cassette,heard somewhere that when you set your chain lenght with the Fox Shock deflated the Zee doesnt cut the chain slack when on the 11T cog,anyone?




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    Zee rear hub free body tool !?
    need the tool to tighten the freehub body ! help !
    after a mud-fest, I checked the hub, the axle and bearings where ok tight.
    but where the cassette was it was a little wobbly, had some play.
    got the axle off, now what. Don't know what tool I need to tighten the freehub body.
    thanks

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    I have the bracket axle unit for the DH version (for close ratio cassettes) and am in need of a FR version b axle unit. They are different: The Zee short cage problem | Peter Verdone Designs

    If anyone else is willing to swap b-axle units, send me a message. Mine is off of a brand new rear derailleur. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkston32 View Post
    I have the bracket axle unit for the DH version (for close ratio cassettes) and am in need of a FR version b axle unit. They are different: The Zee short cage problem | Peter Verdone Designs

    If anyone else is willing to swap b-axle units, send me a message. Mine is off of a brand new rear derailleur. Thanks!
    Strange that that blog you linked to says "Thinking hard about bicycles..." and yet he didn't do enough research to know that there are two versions of the RD before he made the purchase
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    True. I only bought my DH version since I wasn't sure what direction my build would go. I got a killer deal on it, and buying a new b axle would still be a better deal than any I could find on the FR version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullit43 View Post
    Hi there,gone to 1x10 on my 2010 Enduro and have a SLX middle cage ,a friend of mine broke is derailleur and im going to sell him de SLX and was thinking of buying a Zee for 11-36,i use a 32T ring up front a 11-36 cassette,heard somewhere that when you set your chain lenght with the Fox Shock deflated the Zee doesnt cut the chain slack when on the 11T cog,anyone?



    I have zee on my Rumblefish for the the chain slack i got a C-Guide from Bionicon it helped alot and never had any chain issues or dropped chain
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    testing out mine tomorrow. very quiet testing around the block.


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    Converted my SS to 1x10 in May2013 but never got around to posting anything about it.
    I started commuting to work and the SS was just too hard on my body.
    Apart from a minor adjustment after the first real ride, the Zee RD has been working flawlessly so far. Got iSpec SLX shifters and a SLX 11-36t cassette to go with it. I'm gearing down to a 32t RaceFace Narrow-Wide up front (currently on a Blackspire Mono Veloce 34t) and ditching the bashwich, but the RF still out of stock where I ordered it from. 'hoping it'll get to me by next month.
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    Will the Zee RD work with 46/36 chainrings and 12-25 cassette? Total capacity 23T? And should I choose the DH or FR version? Will the FR version also work with 12-25? Thinking of using it on my flat-bar Cyclocross bike because of the short cage. Also, will the SLX medium cage work with this setup?
    Thanks!

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    Yep, it's got 25T capacity.

    Clutch derailleur is awesome for CX but really makes me glad I'm running SRAM on my CX bike. X9 Type 2 out back has been keeping bumpy descents silent and I havent dropped a chain since I installed it, even dropping my bike from shoulder height to show off to a few friends.

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