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    XTR 2011 - pictures

    This could be the new XTR 2011 group - unfortunately, no picture of the cranks, or a close up of the wheels (different decals for sure) :








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    where'd you find these pictures??

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    Interesting, a 6 arm carrier on the 9 speed cassette, that must be a 36T big cog.

    Really interesting brake levers.
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    Cool. I'm tired of waiting for it!
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    There's 10 cogs on that cassette.

    Those shifters are slim ! I like the dots for grip.

    Interesting that they've changed the master cylinders to an Avid style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dover
    where'd you find these pictures??
    On the German lightweight forum

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    I like it alot. Brake calipers look so huge, I wonder what will be the weight, I guess around 50g lighter per brake + much more braking power.... Also disc rotors look beefed up (braking surface).
    I expected carbon wraped rims though, similar to current DA.......
    Shifters seem pretty much the same design. Single (hinge) clamp design for shifters and brakes rocks! No more pain in a... by removing grips!!!


    Still there are no pictures of crank and front mech, but I expect nothing exceptional there.

    I wonder what will be the finish of group- I prefer look of polished aluminium.

    Total group should be lighter around 200-300g I guess!

    Please put on more pictures if you find any!

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    Wow, looks sweet. Two things that would hold me back from the brakes would be the way my xt's handled the cold weather and the how the rear piston got all sticky after a while and did not want to retract.

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    The more I look at them the more they look like elixir's

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    Looks like XX & X0 are both going to be nicer for 2011 :P

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    Bit early to make that assessment, don't you think?

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    I want to see the crank and I wonder if the pedals will be updated at all.

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    Could it be di2 xtr?

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    The new XTR 2011 crank, still triple though.
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    thanks for posting

    urgh roadbike, from this pic the chain engagement points will be pants compared to XX lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow
    The new XTR 2011 crank, still triple though.

    thought they were doing a double aswell? cant see the point in having 30 gears, its not like your going to gain anything. its better to have the double up the front .

    they better make a double, otherwise im buying SRAM, and thats not a decision i want to make

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    They're doing a double and Race Face are fools if they don't this/next year too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba
    They're doing a double

    thats all good news , i shall be getting mine on order ASAP

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    Anyone know what will eventuate regarding frame compatibilities and the new XTR gear. I was wondering what specs are for the chain line on the double set-up and whether or not the q-factor will remain the same as it is with the present iteration?

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    Very nice crank indeed! In a way similar to fc-m970 design. Don`t like wheelset decals- look so old fashioned! Except rd cage (and middle/granny chainring), there will be no other part made od carbon fiber, though CF brake levers would be nice touch.....

    any info about group weight? What are your estimations? Lighter than new X.O., XX maybe? :

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobsouth
    I was wondering whether or not the q-factor will remain the same as it is with the present iteration?
    I am interested in this as well...

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    I called Shimano to ask about the Q-Factor. I was a bit puzzled when they told me that they do not plan to release any new XTR cranks. Uhhh....? Ok....

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    Still in the pre-production phase I guess, so the Q-Factor may not be firm as of yet.
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    There is an advert in many of the UK mags this month. shows most of the group. Dirt mag has quite a few details and a write up of the group.

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    Can you scan it and post it???

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    New derailleur
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    Quote Originally Posted by huckandcrash
    There is an advert in many of the UK mags this month. shows most of the group. Dirt mag has quite a few details and a write up of the group.
    There’s an advert for the new XTR groupset in a few mags but it‘s little more than a teaser to say it‘s coming and doesn‘t show much at all. The ads and articles you’ve seen are about the new SLX and XT Dyna-sys components unless I've missed something.

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    Sorry I don't have a scanner. July edition of dirt definately has lots of info on groupset. I'll try and take a pic with my phone or something. The brake calipers have radiators mounted on top of them to keep them cool, there are two types of brake levers - one has adjustment for bite point etc and the other hasn't so I presume one is designed for all mountain use and the other for weight weenies. Also the rear mech looks different to the ones in this thread. The silver 'x' part of the mech actually looks like a 'v' and the part that the cable goes into (sorry not a very tech term) is the same colour as the rest of the mech not silver as the prepro shows. The discs are also new. The braking surfaces are stainless steel sandwiching a piece of aluminium. I think that's about it. The shifters look exactly the same as before.

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    I checked that issue and didnít see anything, must have missed it.

    There are more photos on this blog.

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    Is that the XTR chain as well at the derailleur picture? Becouse you can see the quick link at the chain section rolling just above the lower pulley. Nice
    BTW, the brake lever pic from the link above looks awesome.
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    I really hope they do a 10speed dual control for my flat bar road bike, starting to get a bit worried now though, not seen any evidence of any.

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    I think dual control is dead.

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    Pedals, wheels, shifters, hubs, etc :


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    wow, disc brakes look awsome and I am sure they will perform much better than current 975 (= stronger&lighter)
    Pedals, hubs, FD and shifters look almost identical, so no big changes here.

    Still chain, cassette and non-drive side crank arm are missing.

    Shame they did`t use more gold anodizing as it looks great on 15mm hub!

    But I guess will have to wait till next word cup race in Champery (end July) to get more info about whole group.

    Can`t wait to order new stuff!

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    I expect that the pedals, shifters, hubs, etc. (all the stuff that still looks basically the same) will probably be lighter.

    Also, the pros should have it at nationals. So I'm sure there will be quite a few pictures of it pretty soon.

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    I am eager to see the brakes.

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    I hate the crank to be honest, rest looks nice though. It's all on their website.

    http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...ems/trail.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmm Bubble
    I hate the crank to be honest, rest looks nice though. It's all on their website.

    http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...ems/trail.html
    Hrm link doesnt work for me, couldnt find any new stuff o their site either

    The cranks, yeah i dont know, wasnt as a amazed as i was when the current ranges crank came out.

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    Now you see me, now you don't

    The link worked a couple of hours ago. It showed two XTR versions trail and race with a double crank and no, no electronics

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    link worked for 2 mins for me, think it's been pulled, probably wasn't supposed to go live till the end of the month

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    I heard they're going to debut the group at BC Bike Race, which starts Saturday.

    I've seen a few photos, and there's A LOT going on with the new brakes that aren't on any of the photos here. Can't say anything, but it's going to be exciting.

    There's also for sure a double crank set. And a 15mm E-Thru XTR front wheel! Finally!

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    Interesting that the chainring bolts are hidden on the triple, but exposed on the double. I wonder why?

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    From Geoff Kabush's Twitter feed:

    "Watched a whole gaggle of fancy schmancy new bits get put on my all-terrain bicycle today."

    BC Bike Race starts tomorrow. He's racing it solo.


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    I just want to know the q factor of the double and triple cranks!

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    I just want to know the q factor of the double and triple cranks!

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    The 2 chainring version seems like a CAD model.Can anyone confirm weather there will actually be a 2x10 XTR?

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    Not to mention the hidden bolts issue that 'Pas de dopage' refered to.

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    Check the August Decline Magazine, there is a write up about Q-factor and pics of all the parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pas de Dopage
    From Geoff Kabush's Twitter feed:

    "Watched a whole gaggle of fancy schmancy new bits get put on my all-terrain bicycle today."

    BC Bike Race starts tomorrow. He's racing it solo.

    He's actually teamed up with Catharine Pendrel.
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    Will this new crankset work with 9 speed components?

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    there are no limits. Will work even with 8,7...speed components, even with ss. You just probably need narrow chain, thats all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Window_shopper
    The 2 chainring version seems like a CAD model.Can anyone confirm weather there will actually be a 2x10 XTR?
    In the XT/SLX Dyna-Sys presentation, the Shimano rep told us they were saving 2x10 for the race crowd and the new XTR, but there will be a double crank for sure.

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    Shimano XTR 2011




    Pictures and info about new XTR 2011 here http://happymtb.org/2010/06/28/shimano-xtr-2011

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    ... and if we just ... XTR Double!

    Thanks 110rpm!

    If Google has accurately translated that page, it looks like there will be a Trail spec double crank 38/26 rings with hidden chainring bolts, and an XC double crank with options for 40/28, 42/30 or 44/30 rings, but the chainring bolts are visible. The reason being, the Trail crank has 104/64mm BCD, and the XC crank has a new 88mm BCD... All this as well as a standard 42/32/24 triple crank!

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    Looks like the rear RD lost the carbon cage.
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    I think it's unidirectional carbon. No cosmetic weave layer.

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    www.rideXTR.com is now live!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pas de Dopage
    www.rideXTR.com is now live!

    Just had a look at the site- unless I have not looked in the right place, there still does not seem to be info regarding Q-factor, or specs for frame compatibility (i.e. specs for chain-ring/chain-stay clearance or crank-arm/chain-stay clearance).

    I like the overall look of the gear tho'

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    Perhaps the best news of all from Bike Rumor:

    Oh, and it also dropped weight. In its lightest configuration, it drops 200g (!) from the previous generation. In its heaviest, its still 60g lighter. The icing on the cake? All this new technology and lightweight goodness comes at you with no price increase over the previous group.
    Emphasis mine, but seriously... No price increase? For reals?

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    Quite dissapointing to see the XTR pedals still come in at 310g / pair. Why don't they offer Ti axles like some of their competitors?

    Shimano XTR goes 10-speed Dyna-Sys for 2011




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    From the upper whole bike pic,
    Is that a current XTR crankset with the newer chainrings on it? To show they will be compatible or something?
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    Price

    It seems that the XTR components are not compatible with older Shimano products. Upgrading one or two pieces at a time (as many of us do) will not be possible.
    Shimano, please tell me this is not the case as £1000 for the group set excluding brakes,wheels and pedals is out of my reach in these economic times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyerose123
    It seems that the XTR components are not compatible with older Shimano products. Upgrading one or two pieces at a time (as many of us do) will not be possible.
    How do you figure that? If you want to change to 10-spd, yes, but other than that, what's gonna stop you from swapping a few parts if you so desire?

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    Shimano has pictures of the new XTR on their website along with some very indefinite specs and weights,only for the wheels as far as I saw.

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    They've put enough effort into blinging up the groupset for me to believe they haven't done something else.

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    That Tracer is some serious Hotness. Good to see that the trail chainring set will fit the 970 cranks. The trail pedal are cool to.
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    See the weights at bike radar,the prices are insane for it's target market.

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    Q-Factors for both the triple and double would be great if anyone knows them... I've read the various notes that say the double Q-factor is 3mm less than the triple- just need the numbers.

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    Looks like DUAL CONTROL has come to end........

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    If by Q factor you mean crankarm lenghts (I am not acquainted with the terms),they are posted on shimano's site under XTR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Window_shopper
    If by Q factor you mean crankarm lenghts (I am not acquainted with the terms),they are posted on shimano's site under XTR.
    Q-Factor is essentially the measurement of how far apart the pedals are. It's the distance between the crank arms where the pedals attach.

    May I ask what you mean by the pricing being "insane"? Good or bad? XTR is XTR, so it's going to be pricy, but I'm pretty impressed that the prices haven't gone up a ton from M970 to M980...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOMICned
    Looks like DUAL CONTROL has come to end........
    It seems so. Looks like they went the matchmaker way, getting the shifters attached to the brakes. One disappointing thing though, is that the new XTR in general is heavier than the one year-old XX. They had to chunk off some weight out of the brakes and rotors. They look absolutely stunning, and although I don't mind that much for the extra meat (or metal for that matter), competition on this field is fierce and Shimano should have come with something lighter for their brakes. No carbon lever? WTF. The rest of the groupset is not outstandingly light as well. Can't argue on qualily, but these days where lightweight is all that matters, I hope Shimano can still cope with it. Anyway, my next bike (a Mojo HD) will be full 2011 XTR down to the pedals. Not sure about the brakeset yet (I'm over the Formulas The One.) but the XTR trail version has got my attention.

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    The main reason XTR is heavier than XX is the cassette. As someone else said on this forum, the XX cassette has an aluminum large cog. So not very durable, the XTR is steel/ti which is much more durable.

    The other extra weight is in the shifters, but who cares?(coming from a semi-weight weenie) sram trigger shifters suck, anyways.

    I usually don't count brakes because Hope's are far superior than anything else

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    By insane I did mean expensive.They have only lightened the whole XC groupset by like 200g and it is well away from it's top end competitor (SRAM XX) in terms of weight and shifting performance(I just guess).The wheelset was priced around 800pounds which is more expensive than the current wheelset,except if the latter has been more expensive upon release and then I'm wrong.It generally seems to tariff a lot for the bling over the quality and solidity,since it's a well established groupset.Maybe shimano aims at squeezing as much profit as possible from their already existing market share rather than counterattacking SRAM with components that outstand.JMHO.

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    I was seriously thinking about holding off on my 2010 bike buy because I am not a fan of the XX looks and the fact that XX does not offer a 44T chainring option.

    After seeing the first leaked pics/data of the 2011 XTR, I ordered my bike, all but the brakes XX. Who needs 44T anyway :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by COLINx86
    The main reason XTR is heavier than XX is the cassette. As someone else said on this forum, the XX cassette has an aluminum large cog. So not very durable, the XTR is steel/ti which is much more durable.
    Both XX's aluminium cog and XTR's ti cogs wear out faster than the steel cogs through the rest of the cassette. It's much cheaper to replace the XX's single aluminium cog than to replace XTR's multiple ti cogs. Not to mention that the XX cassette doesn't damage your freehub body like XTR can on certain cogs. So you save money on replacing that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COLINx86
    The main reason XTR is heavier than XX is the cassette. As someone else said on this forum, the XX cassette has an aluminum large cog. So not very durable, the XTR is steel/ti which is much more durable.

    The other extra weight is in the shifters, but who cares?(coming from a semi-weight weenie) sram trigger shifters suck, anyways.

    I usually don't count brakes because Hope's are far superior than anything else
    I really don't care if the XTR is a bit heavier, more so because I'm more AM aoriented when building my bikes. For me, seeing the new XTR website, it seems Shimano had mainly trail and AM riders in mind instead of a direct focus on stupid light parts for raceboys only. Of course, Shimano will probably fall short if that is the case, XX offers a bit more for XC racers, where every gram counts.

    Anyway, I kinda like the click feel of the SRAM triggers, they seem to be faster, but that's my case. I'm not using SRAM these days though, I'm now running full XTR and XT on my bikes, but with Elixir brakes on them.

    I was looking at the Formulas (the The Ones FR are really nice), but for sure Hope is awesome. Might as well take a look at them, I'm not familiar with the new models. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_yeti
    Both XX's aluminium cog and XTR's ti cogs wear out faster than the steel cogs through the rest of the cassette. It's much cheaper to replace the XX's single aluminium cog than to replace XTR's multiple ti cogs. Not to mention that the XX cassette doesn't damage your freehub body like XTR can on certain cogs. So you save money on replacing that as well.
    Aluminum wears out way faster than ti. And I'm probably wrong but I still haven't seen or heard of the aluminum cog on the XX being for sale.

    I've been using an XT cassette for almost 2 years now on an aluminum freehub with minimal damage. (one 'ding')

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATOMICned
    Looks like DUAL CONTROL has come to end........
    Along with V-brakes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by COLINx86
    Aluminum wears out way faster than ti. And I'm probably wrong but I still haven't seen or heard of the aluminum cog on the XX being for sale.

    I've been using an XT cassette for almost 2 years now on an aluminum freehub with minimal damage. (one 'ding')
    We have replacement aluminium cogs for XX cassettes in stock in 32 and 36 in Australia. I'd be surprised if they're not available in the US or Europe if we've got them. You are right that it's minimal damage to the freehub, but minimal is more than none. If you have to replace a freehub body you fill the gap to buying an XX cassette. It'll be interesting to see what the X0 cassette costs as it has the same freehub friendly features but weighs a similar amount to the new XTR cassette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simcik
    Check the August Decline Magazine, there is a write up about Q-factor and pics of all the parts.
    The article says the double is 3mm per side less than the triple, but there is no q listed for the triple. I assume it is 170mm like 970, so that would be 164 for the double.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cocheese
    The article says the double is 3mm per side less than the triple, but there is no q listed for the triple. I assume it is 170mm like 970, so that would be 164 for the double.
    Would have been nice if they had made them wider
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie_yeti
    Both XX's aluminium cog and XTR's ti cogs wear out faster than the steel cogs through the rest of the cassette. It's much cheaper to replace the XX's single aluminium cog than to replace XTR's multiple ti cogs. Not to mention that the XX cassette doesn't damage your freehub body like XTR can on certain cogs. So you save money on replacing that as well.
    This is only what I've been told, but I know two guys from my LBS that were working with the Obsession: Bikes crew as mechanics for the BC Bike Race. They had nothing but negative things to say about the XX "family", and the cassette in particular.

    The entire cassette is being driven off of the 36 cog and the 11 or 12 cog. They saw many cassettes shear off of freehub bodies, and they replaced many freehubs and cassettes for the whole race.

    And that's nothing, they said, to how many derailleurs and shifters were blowing up left and right, and brakes that needed bleeding every single night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pas de Dopage
    This is only what I've been told, but I know two guys from my LBS that were working with the Obsession: Bikes crew as mechanics for the BC Bike Race. They had nothing but negative things to say about the XX "family", and the cassette in particular.

    The entire cassette is being driven off of the 36 cog and the 11 or 12 cog. They saw many cassettes shear off of freehub bodies, and they replaced many freehubs and cassettes for the whole race.

    And that's nothing, they said, to how many derailleurs and shifters were blowing up left and right, and brakes that needed bleeding every single night.
    I was talking with some of the mechanics on day 7 in whistler. They were practically laughing at how much of that stuff they had to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sticarl
    New derailleur
    What kind of bike is this? Looks pretty cool!

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    Bikeradar has done a test on the trail version. They liked it a lot.
    Donīt miss the huge pic gallery inside. Very interesting prototype pics too.

    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...e-review-27300

    Enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cocheese
    The article says the double is 3mm per side less than the triple, but there is no q listed for the triple. I assume it is 170mm like 970, so that would be 164 for the double.

    Cocheese I was wondering if you managed to confirm this? Is it likely the double will have a Q factor of 164mm?

    Cheers

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    Ugh the brakes went back to annoying banjo connection so they can sell more expensive XTR brake lines again.

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    Received the new German Mag called 'Bike' yesterday.

    Comparison in the test lab and on the trails of 9 brakes. They tested the XTR XC and XTR Trail brakes with the ICE-Tec rotors.

    In the lab, about 40 brakings were performed. The ICE-Tec rotors melted down, in 180 and 203mm !! They testers have never seen anything like this, brake oil was oozing out from the XC and Trail calipers as well.

    They presented the results to Shimano, who said they acknowledge the results but never experienced anything like this in their own labs. Whatever it is, measuring is knowing, and when all other brakes set a good score in the same test ...

    What was impressive though is the power these brakes generate : short lever travel, resulting in huge power (more than Formula The One's 2011 which came out on top of the test).

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    Replacing hose on those banjo lines were a bit annoying, but that way you can fit the caliper to almost any frames since you have a line angle flexibility. I read Specialized brain doesn't play well with straight feed caliper.

    Scary on the test. Wonder if mineral oil has something to do with it?

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    XTR took too long, I ended up going with X0. XT is available, but there are absolutely no 2x options... which seems pretty short sighted with SRAM offering 2x options X7-XX.

    Pretty sure they're trying to bank off XTR the same way SRAM banked off XX. Problem is shimano is already a year late to the party. I've been a shimano guy all my life, but can't claim that anymore. Shimano needs to step it up. No offense, but how lazy is the designer who 're-designed' the XT group? Might as well look exactly the same. Hard to sell a new book when it's cover is old and boring.

    A few months ago I was sold on XTR for my race bike next year. After waiting, doing more research, and trying 2011 X0 shimano might have lost my money.

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    First ride on my Top Fuel today and the XTR performs perfectly. Especially the brakes. Never ceases to amaze me that Avid STILL cannot solve their turkey warble problem. I rode a Superfly Elite at a Demo day about a month ago and those damn things have the same warble my Elixers had when they first came out that the Juicy's had for years before. I just don't get it.

    I am a Shimano fanboy, no doubt, but I love the fact that Shimano doesn't market group redesigns every year. Not even every other year. Shimano releases new product lines when they have been tested to exhaustion and you know they are going to work. (Save for a few benign products like their powerlinks) And I love that they don't rope themselves into bad designs.

    I appreciate their stance on BB30 and crank designs and I love that they don't think a crank should be made of carbon and that they didn't go with carbon levers until they knew it made sense.

    And that means that the product you do have holds value if you decide to sell it.

    People ask questions like, "when is DA 8000 coming out?" When it's ready. Not strategically placed in the model year to get media attention. And you know what? It's going to be spectacular.

    So yeah, maybe XTR took a little longer, but patience is a virtue. And so, so worth it.
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    I love the looks of XTR components but really can't justify the over the top pricing on the products. Every year these companies come out with something just a little different than the year before and mark the prices up. I can't see the manufacturing of these items costing that much, and I understand R&D plays into the costs but come on already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habits76
    I love the looks of XTR components but really can't justify the over the top pricing on the products. Every year these companies come out with something just a little different than the year before and mark the prices up. I can't see the manufacturing of these items costing that much, and I understand R&D plays into the costs but come on already.
    Did you read the part where it's the same price as the old stuff?
    "It looks flexy"

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    I seen cranksets for sale @ online bike store costing $680 is that the same price as the old ones? I didn't check the other XTR component prices out, was just curious to see what the 2011 product line up looked like.
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