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    Shimano 2012 XT group

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    Hello,
    It's the time of year when we start to see the first pics of the upcoming group. I'm sure there's someone out there which has some info on the new 2012 XT group. Any info that can be revealed? I'm most interested in the brakes, which I'll probably purchase as soon as they come out if they follow the new XTR design. Pics? Specs? Test ride reports? Anything?

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    I'm hoping for short, medium and long rear mechs, double chainset options with matching front mechs for all mount types, 83mm bb shell chainset, i-spec and new brakes. Maybe even a 9t small cog cassette option like capreo/sram/hope so that you can use smaller chainrings for equivalent gearing to a 11t cassette.

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    The new Acera, Taigra, Deore and SLX have been made public... I'm anxious!

    I want some new XT pics!!!
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    I think the only new item for the XT group you will see this year is new brakes.

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    2012 Xt

    I think Eric has the inside track and is spot on that the only Hydro brakes will have a re-design just like the recently published SLX brakes at bikeradar.com.

    I am looking forward for the re-design of the rapid fire shifters of the XT inorder to complement the new design of the brake levers like the XTRs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99
    I think the only new item for the XT group you will see this year is new brakes.

    Erik
    Yep, you're probably right, and that's the only thing I'm after!



    2012 is suppoosedly the year of XT. They might have thrown the 4 year rule out the window though. We'll see but it does seem like they'll revamp all the brakes then move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PissedOffCil
    Yep, you're probably right, and that's the only thing I'm after!



    2012 is suppoosedly the year of XT. They might have thrown the 4 year rule out the window though. We'll see but it does seem like they'll revamp all the brakes then move on.
    Shimano is coming out with some new stuff, but its not new XT. What you will see is some new road DI2 and the lower Deore MTB. I think the dura ace stuff is project for this model year.

    What I want to see from the XT group is a 24/36 all mountain crank. I would even like to see SRAM make this crank in an X9 or X0 style.

    Although I will never afford it. I would like to see a DI2 mountain set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99
    Although I will never afford it. I would like to see a DI2 mountain set.
    Electronics on a mountain bike???? Am I the only one that comes across a significant amount of wet terrain when riding? Though I am sure we will see it someday.

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    I reckon we might get more than new xt brakes, if that's all they were doing wouldn't they have shown us them at the same time as the slx? here's hoping anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonBoy
    Electronics on a mountain bike???? Am I the only one that comes across a significant amount of wet terrain when riding? Though I am sure we will see it someday.
    The pro's been using it in a cross season or two, and has worked for them. I can almost guarantee you the guys racing cyclocross in Europe with DI2 are using it in more water/mud then you would on a mtb ride.

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    Shimano XT 2012

    Here's a pic of new Shimano XT 2012 groupset.
    It's an unofficial pic of course, but as the XTR , this pic is a sneak peak of the new groupset.



    Crankset looks essential, it'll be Dyna Sys concept with 42-32-24 combination and probably with 2 double ring crankset.
    Brakes are similar to the new XTR with new brake levers and Ice-Tech rotors. Rear derailler could have probaby a carbon cage and will be Shadow concept.

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    Wow,

    Didn't see that coming. Good find. Maybe they are waiting for the Taiwan bike show to release that info.

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    Noway, rumors says that Shimano will show it at Sea Otter. Let's see.

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    Any chance of a parts list like the xtr leak last year?

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    I was really hoping the 2012 XT group wasn't going to look almost exactly the same as it has for the past 5ish years. I've always been a fan of XT, but it's starting to get boring. Silver cranks bother me the most... even the SLX cranks seem to be more appealing. Sure hope they come out with 2x crank options, otherwise I have a feeling they're going to lose more of the market share to SRAM. On a positive note I think the new XT brakes will be a nice upgrade.

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    I totally agree with you tiflow. Those cranks don´t look bad in any way, but they look barely like a new design. Silver crank arms on a silver rotor with black chainwheels. This is the third edition of XT cranks that look virtually the same. People not into mountainbiking would even have a hard time to tell one from another. I was really hoping for Shimano to show their, still unquestioned, leadership in manufacturing alloy. Black and hollow anyone?
    I went with the new Truvativ AKA crankset, which is more or less the X9 crank for a fraction of the price and looks a lot like I think the new XT should have.

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    I prefer silver cranks. Don't like any type of finish wearing off over time.
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    Looks like a 2 piece caliper instead of the usual 1 piece one for xt, verly similar to the slx but with a bolt not split pin holding the pads in. Seems like a downgrade.

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    my crystal ball shows black version......

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    Quote Originally Posted by PissedOffCil
    [...] I'm most interested in the brakes, which I'll probably purchase as soon as they come out if they follow the new XTR design. [...]
    Exactly my thought. But the brakes should be black, not the XTR silver.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rey Recinto
    I think Eric has the inside track and is spot on that the only Hydro brakes will have a re-design just like the recently published SLX brakes at bikeradar.com.
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    Could you provide the link? I couldn't find it on bikeradar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_sparthan
    Here's a pic of new Shimano XT 2012 groupset.
    It's an unofficial pic of course, but as the XTR , this pic is a sneak peak of the new groupset.



    [...]
    Oh no, the brakes are in silver! And they have this ugly cooling fin. But I think, that's part of the brake pad, so it's changeable


    The German distributor told me that the selling of the new XT parts will start in July.

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    I was gonna buy the xtr but would've stretch my budget so this great news. I wish it will have bb30 version crank? Guess I can wait for 6 months when there out?

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    I doubt there will be any bb30 shimano cranks in the near future though there are definately adapters to allow 24mm cranks to be fitted to bb30 frames, the other option is to use a fsa chainset if you don't want to mix sram and shimano.

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    the FSA crank's good, it woks well and light and cost less than SRAM cranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonBoy
    Electronics on a mountain bike???? Am I the only one that comes across a significant amount of wet terrain when riding? Though I am sure we will see it someday.
    they tested Di2 in 10 meters (33 feet) of water, worked perfectly. Do you see that kind of water on your rides?

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    thats nuts, electric shifting's the way to go in mtb, we just have to wait for the XTR in 201? (wishfull).

    can anyone confirm a close to definitive time this year of when the 2012 XT will be realised? I'm busting....

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    I definitely see a double in there! Sweet!

    Thanks for posting Zigo!

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    Also for those guys who want black, there was a black crankset.

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    you can see the write up of it here
    http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...for-2012-29882

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    weight estimates are included on the write up at bikerumor

    http://www.bikerumor.com/2011/04/13/...up/#more-30380

    who is upgrading post June?

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    Wonder how the black can weigh the same as the silver, shouldn't the paint weigh a bit more?

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    Thanks Zigo... more great news...now the waiting game starts, can't wait for June/July. This is soo Shimano with a tweak as usual, with no bul colors. I'll take a set of black thanks...

    Is this mean Electronic XTR is on the card

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    Well here it is. I ended up cracking and buying the XTR brakes. Glad I did given the 2 piece caliper of the new XT...

    Happy to see a 2 ring version, I might change once I go through my new SLX rings, once the price settles down.

    Apart from that, there isn't much new stuff in there from last year's dynasys... except for looks.
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    I hate this about the bike industry!

    I just bought my bike, and now it looks outdated!

    Really liking the new XT....but what I really like, is the new XTR derailleur! Neat feature on it!

    Are the new calipers really 2 pieces? isn't that old tech?
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    Boring!

    Quote Originally Posted by tiflow_21
    I Silver cranks bother me the most...
    Me Too! But didn't the Sea Otter pics show the XT crank arms in black?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo5
    Me Too! But didn't the Sea Otter pics show the XT crank arms in black?
    Yep, I made that statement before the black parts were unveiled. I think it's great they made sliver or black an option. I have a feeling this stuff will sell well, especially with the 2x cranks. Glad they're finally catching up to SRAM in terms of options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PissedOffCil
    Well here it is. I ended up cracking and buying the XTR brakes. Glad I did given the 2 piece caliper of the new XT...

    Happy to see a 2 ring version, I might change once I go through my new SLX rings, once the price settles down.

    Apart from that, there isn't much new stuff in there from last year's dynasys... except for looks.

    Can you elaborate on the disadvantages of a 2 peice caliper for the XT?
    I'm trying to decide between getting some old xt's, new xt's or xtr trails.
    opinions welcome.

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    As far as I know the disadvantage is more weight, but the advantadge is more stability.
    But maybe someboby can elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrdogg11
    Can you elaborate on the disadvantages of a 2 peice caliper for the XT?
    I'm trying to decide between getting some old xt's, new xt's or xtr trails.
    opinions welcome.
    Hmm. I never asked this myself so I'm not positive, but I assume it is reduced weight and the fact that you are pushing fluid at high pressure into a single chunk of aluminum instead of two pieces that are bolted together. Less chance of leaks, which would make for more reliable brakes.
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    Got it...

    Hi All,

    I was lucky enough to get my hands on a set. Installed it last night and planning to go for a ride tomorrow. If you want, I can give a ride review too.

    Anyway, here are some weights (and a few pics of them on the scale):
    Triple Crank: 772g
    Front derailleur (low mount top pull): 155
    rear derailleur (long cage): 227
    Cassette (11-36): 339
    Chain: 271
    Front brakes: 268
    Rear brakes: 285
    BB: 87
    Front Shifter: 120
    Rear Shifter: 126

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by splunk View Post
    Hi All,

    I was lucky enough to get my hands on a set. Installed it last night and planning to go for a ride tomorrow. If you want, I can give a ride review too.

    Anyway, here are some weights (and a few pics of them on the scale):
    Triple Crank: 772g
    Front derailleur (low mount top pull): 155
    rear derailleur (long cage): 227
    Cassette (11-36): 339
    Chain: 271
    Front brakes: 268
    Rear brakes: 285
    BB: 87
    Front Shifter: 120
    Rear Shifter: 126

    Cheers,

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    Does the weight of the crankset include the bottom bracket?

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    Nope, crank weight is without bb. bb weighs 87g without the 3 spacers.

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    Hi All,

    I was lucky enough to get my hands on a set. Installed it last night and planning to go for a ride tomorrow. If you want, I can give a ride review too.
    Please share your ride review for the 2012 XT group...

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    Ask, and you shall receive. Please read my review on the Shimano XT groupset on my new blog - cognitiveblog.com
    Bottom line - it is awesome.

    Please post any questions on the blog and it will be answered!

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    Fantastimagic!

    This is a great gruppo. I'll admit that I added an XTR Front Derailleur and Shifter Set.

    The shifting is flawless and light. As I understand it, the new DS shifters pull twice as much cable with the same lever travel, so shifts on new cables feel like nothing. Front shifting is just as awesome as the rear. I can already feel improvement in my thumb joints from not having to push so hard or so far.

    The XT brakes are also a treat. Lever action is very comfortable. I noticed that the levers are basically a slight modification to the 2010 810 Saint levers, which are the best I've ever felt. Strength and modulation are both stellar considering the dinky plastic lines they provide.

    The crank I have is the 26/38 variation. What's weird is that I can ride up hills in the 36t front ring (mostly) and it feels easier than climbing on a 32t front with a 32t rear. Maybe it's a weight thing, but it feels very efficient. I do suffer chain loss (to the outside) over bad bumps, but the chain catch pin is very long, and has managed to get my chain pedaled back on all but once out of the three times it happened in over 10K feet of descent.

    I will be adding the MRP chain guide specific to this crank. It's light and highly functional. I will also be replacing my brake hoses with Goodridge lines. Should boost the already awesome stopping power.

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