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    Powerlink on a Dyna-Sys 10sp chain?

    Has anyone used a sram powerlink or other chain removable links on their dyna-sys 10 speed chain?

    It would be much more convenient to be able to run a removable link for assembly/dissasembly and trailside repair.

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    Because the plate shaping on the Dyna-Sys chain is unique on the inside and outside plates it's very likely that you'll be introducing a random shift error or glitch.
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    Sure, I know thats the official word from shimano, but plenty of these things work together just fine without official compatibility, such as how the 9sp sram powerlink is supposedly only compatible with 9sp sram chains, but works fine with shimano 9sp chains.

    So I wanted to see if anyone had tried it to see how it works.

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    KMC manufacture some Shimano chains (below XT level), as well as those sold under their own brand, so it's quite likely that they'll produce a Dyna-Sys compatible chain. They use their own version of a Powerlink - called a Missing Link - rather than joining pins on their current 7/8 and 9 speed chains, so I presume that they'd do the same on a Dyna-Sys chain. Conjecture, of course, you understand; but somewhat logical.

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    Good to know, I didnt know that KMC made the lower end shimano chains.

    Does anyone know what the width of the dyna-sys chain is? KMC makes a 5.9mm missing link for 10 speed roadie chains.

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    The SRAM "link" is actually non-removable, it's called a "powerlock" not powerlink for ten speed.

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    yeah I saw that, I ordered the KMC version and Ill see how it works.
    (interestingly, the kmc and sram 10sp links look identical)

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    Would like to know how the chain worked out. Broke my Shimano chain second ride out, in the granny gear. Im actually afraid to put the hammer down or mash the pedals now. Havent broken a chain in 4 years.

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    the KMC link fits and snaps the chain together off the bike, but I havent installed the 10sp drivetrain yet so I dont have anything to test it on a bike yet. Since the shimano mtb and road 10sp cog spacing is the same I would hypothesise that it will work fine.

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    I'm running the X10SL KMC gold chain with my XT 1x10 setup. Loving it and shifts just like the original chain.
    "It looks flexy"

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    I'm running the KMC Missing Link for Shimano 10 speeds without an issue. Running a 1x10 set-up.

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    Currently "testing" a wipperman link and after todays clean up a Sram Powerlink on the Ultegra chain that my LBS replaced after the original chain broke after about 200km in the 24hr Solo Worlds (but this was prob my fault as it was not lubed after 50km on a very dry and dusty course)
    However I am not really impressed with 10 speed so far as I have broken only one chain in the previous 10 years riding…we will see how it goes...

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    Running a KMC missing link for Shimano 10 speed on a 3x10 set up for a couple of hundred miles in some very horrible conditions with no problems to date

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    yeah ive been running the KMC 10s link in some heavy riding and it has held up great. Definately the way to go.

    I broke the 10sp chain once, because I tried to re-use a pin on the trail. Definite no-no. Once I put in the KMC 10s its been flawless.

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    Which KMC are you guys using? Im kinda cheap and their X chains look kinda pricey. Ive broken my Shimano twice now and defenitely want something different though.

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    So are you guys using the KMC missing link with Shimano chains or with KMC chains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the rat
    So are you guys using the KMC missing link with Shimano chains or with KMC chains?
    Both.
    "It looks flexy"

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    shimano chains. works fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by tegski
    Currently "testing" a wipperman link and after todays clean up a Sram Powerlink on the Ultegra chain that my LBS replaced after the original chain broke after about 200km in the 24hr Solo Worlds (but this was prob my fault as it was not lubed after 50km on a very dry and dusty course)
    However I am not really impressed with 10 speed so far as I have broken only one chain in the previous 10 years riding…we will see how it goes...
    Have now used this set up for about 800km offroad with no problems at all. I would recommend the Wipperman link and the Sram link as suitable (the wipperman is the only one that can come apart for cleaning though)

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    kmc comes apart and is considerably cheaper than wipperman
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    I too can confirm that KMC missing link works fine. Make sure it's the 10 speed version of missing link. It is reusable. No problems so far on my DynaSys XT level Cn-hg94.

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    Cheers - will be looking at the KMC next time, but lbs did not have anything 10 speed except the Wipperman - and I had sticker shock at the time
    (Seems to be not much 10 speed bits in stock here - must be all at the bike factories!)

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    Upset dyna-sys chain failure

    Today I blew up my dyna-sys XT chain going down hill? yup. After ten minutes trying to force the sram 10spd powerLOCK link on the shimano chain I gave up. The dyna-sys chain seems to be a TINY bit wider then my mountain bike chain is.

    XT chain dead in two rides. Shimano has let me down again.

    3x10 complete XT all current 2011 equipment. I will hunt down a KMC link now.

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    Yeah, go with the KMC link. The sram one is stupid - you can only use it one time. The KMC you can "break" the chain with any time you want to.

    I've found the KMC chain to be really good. It shifts great and wears for a long time.
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    my KMC link is a week away, have you had any luck getting the SRAM link to work on a Shimano Dyna-Sys chain?

    You have again confirmed what I have heard other conversations, KMC chains are the way to go. Anyone used a 10spd KMC chain on a full Dyna-Sys system?

    I would also consider a SRAM chain, they have been great in my experience although I haven't tried those chains on Dyna-Sys.

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    Any updates on using the KMC Missing Link with the DynaSys chain? I have read in a few places now that using a Missing Link on the directional DynaSys chain can cause issues (e.g., ghost/missing shifts, skipping).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Any updates on using the KMC Missing Link with the DynaSys chain? I have read in a few places now that using a Missing Link on the directional DynaSys chain can cause issues (e.g., ghost/missing shifts, skipping).
    KMC MissingLink working great with XT DynaSys chain. 300-400 miles on mine. Not the first skip, ghost, or problem. I rotate between two chains, MissingLink makes removal and cleaning a breeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman311 View Post
    KMC MissingLink working great with XT DynaSys chain. 300-400 miles on mine. Not the first skip, ghost, or problem. I rotate between two chains, MissingLink makes removal and cleaning a breeze.
    Great to hear this. That is exactly what I want to do as well (i.e., two chains in a rotation) to facilitate cleaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Great to hear this. That is exactly what I want to do as well (i.e., two chains in a rotation) to facilitate cleaning.
    i've been doing this with 9-speed chains and powerlinks for a while with no problems. Put a 10-speed powerlink on my road bike (dura ace) chain and now have one on my 10-speed xtr. No problems with either. I have a park tool that squeezes the chain together to remove the 10-speed links and havent had a problem reusing them.

    My buddy had a problem with skipping on a Missing Link. The powerlink solved the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtcage View Post
    i've been doing this with 9-speed chains and powerlinks for a while with no problems. Put a 10-speed powerlink on my road bike (dura ace) chain and now have one on my 10-speed xtr. No problems with either. I have a park tool that squeezes the chain together to remove the 10-speed links and havent had a problem reusing them.

    My buddy had a problem with skipping on a Missing Link. The powerlink solved the problem.

    Weird, I couldn't get the Powerlink to work on my XTR DynaSys chain.

    When this chain wears out, I'm going with a KMC chain. Anybody had issues with the 10 speed XTR and a KMC chain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidR1 View Post
    Weird, I couldn't get the Powerlink to work on my XTR DynaSys chain.

    When this chain wears out, I'm going with a KMC chain. Anybody had issues with the 10 speed XTR and a KMC chain?
    XTR chain seems to shift slightly faster than the KMC X10SL, but it's probably just in my head. Other than that, it works fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidR1 View Post
    Weird, I couldn't get the Powerlink to work on my XTR DynaSys chain.

    When this chain wears out, I'm going with a KMC chain. Anybody had issues with the 10 speed XTR and a KMC chain?
    It takes a little pressure on the pedal to get it to set but once it's on it's fine. Taking it off is easy with the right tool despite what others have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtcage View Post
    It takes a little pressure on the pedal to get it to set but once it's on it's fine. Taking it off is easy with the right tool despite what others have said.
    So whats the right tool

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    dura-ace 10 speed chain + KMC missing link, never had problems. i believe the dura-ace chain is the same as xtr with hollow links.

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    The KMC link IS TIGHT going on, but once engaged rotates fine. I need a pair of pliers (multi-tool) to take it off by pressing the 2 opposite corners (diagonal from each other) together. Carefully. You don't want to bend anything. I sometimes think I can "hear" it when I'm peddaling, but I've had no shifting problems at all and having 1 symmetrical link out of the whole chain IS NOT going to hurt anything.

    Lemme put it this way: I've seen improperly installed pins (including HG pins) cause more chain problems than "split links". I've even seen half an 8 & 9 speed used together.and an 8 on a 9speed. (it still shifted fine).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikerfred View Post
    The KMC link IS TIGHT going on, but once engaged rotates fine. I need a pair of pliers (multi-tool) to take it off by pressing the 2 opposite corners (diagonal from each other) together.
    Anyone else have this issue? I just switched to a Dynasys setup so I want to know if I can use this just like a power link or if it's going to be a bear to take off.

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    I don't know if I'd call it an issue our not. Have you ever dealt with the stupid Shimano pins before? Ever try to get off a dirty Sram powerlink? It's no more of an issue than the others. It does work. The symmetry is not a problem for shifting. You might need a tool to get it off.
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    FWIW, my kmc link goes on and off pretty easy on a dynasys xt chain. No tool required.
    I'm looking forward to regretting this.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Clean View Post
    dura-ace 10 speed chain + KMC missing link, never had problems. i believe the dura-ace chain is the same as xtr with hollow links.
    Anyone else confirm that the dura-ace is the same as XTR save for the hollow links?

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    The KMC link is tight going on and coming off, but works fine if you use the new PARK chain master link tool for install and removal. See LINK for description of tool: Park Tool MLP-1 Master Link Chain Pliers - Excel Sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Anyone else confirm that the dura-ace is the same as XTR save for the hollow links?
    Shimano 10sp road and mtn chains are completely different, from plate shaping to pin retention. trying to mix the two will result in REALLY bad shifting or a broken chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onespeedfreak View Post
    Shimano 10sp road and mtn chains are completely different, from plate shaping to pin retention. trying to mix the two will result in REALLY bad shifting or a broken chain.
    Good to know. Thanks!

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    Which KMC Missing Link are you guys using on the XT Dynasys chain? Is there a specific part number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronism View Post
    Which KMC Missing Link are you guys using on the XT Dynasys chain? Is there a specific part number?
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    There's also one specific for Shimano 10spd. chains (its a purple card). I ordered mine via amazon.

    Soooo now here's the idiot Q of the day: now that I have these things, how do I put the on? Is it as simple as replacing a pair of outer plates with one a pair of these? Do I need to put the rollers back on?

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    I replaced my Dyna chain w/ a KMC x10 before our weekend long shop trip. It was a model that touted mushroom head rivets for extra durability. Well the first night out, it separated. Looked like the rivet just gave up and split. I replaced it w/ a SRAM link to finish the weekend out and hoped for the best. Upon getting home I e-mailed KMC to let them know of my experience, to which they never replied. While cleaning and tuning the bike the other day I noticed that the chain was hoping around like when you have a fouled housing. My bike runs full lenght housing and its brand new. After close inspection I found that two more links had started to separate.
    KMC's lack of customer service and poor reliability have crossed them off the "stock" list for the shop. Incidentally, I replaced the KMC w/ my old Dyna chain and shifting has been flawless and durability has been great so far. My next chain will most likely come from Whipperman.
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    I broke my XT chain in three rides, after about a hour sitting on the trial I finally was able to get the SRAM powerlink in and made it back to the car.

    I put a new SRAM chain on and it runs just as well as as the XT did AND the powerling goes on easily. But the powerlink is a one time use link; or so the LBS told me.

    I don't plan to test that theory....

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    Wipperman Connex Link

    Over a year of use and the Wipperman Connex Link has worked well with Shimano XTR chain. The Wipperman link appears to be made much stronger than SRAM’s link.

    On a side note, the Wipperman 10s0 chain was disappointing. While the chain never broke, it wore out in less than three months (normally, Shimano chains last me over six months). Most troubling was the rust after getting caught out in a light rain. I needed to wipe the chain down with an oily rag after each ride to prevent rusting solid. Luckily, the Connex link does not have this issue.

    Recommend going with a higher end Wipperman chain if you choose to go with this brand. The next version up, the 10s8 has nickel coating which should prevent sever rusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWill View Post
    I broke my XT chain in three rides, after about a hour sitting on the trial I finally was able to get the SRAM powerlink in and made it back to the car.

    I put a new SRAM chain on and it runs just as well as as the XT did AND the powerling goes on easily. But the powerlink is a one time use link; or so the LBS told me.

    I don't plan to test that theory....
    Just wondering if anyone can fallow up on the compatibility of a SRAM chain(I have the PC 1091) with a complete shimano dynasys 10 speed drive trane? I believe sram says it's compatible.

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