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    Moderator, could you please delete this double post?
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    cool!!

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    more info here

    http://www.singletrackworld.com/arti...844f6a5f0db37a

    separate pivot and attachment bolt on the RD


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    hmm, I dont get about the Shimano XT Shadow? Is it a high normal but with low normal performance? and does it shifts like a normal high normal derailleur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    hmm, I dont get about the Shimano XT Shadow? Is it a high normal but with low normal performance? and does it shifts like a normal high normal derailleur?
    it is high normal.. so it shifts like a high normal... only has a different construction according to the press release... different cable attachment point and attachment bolt

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    No weight listed for the XT cranks. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadghost
    No weight listed for the XT cranks. :/
    850g

    http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...ano_deore.html

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    cool, they drop only 10kg from the previous model and the new XT crankarm design looks much sleeker.
    Anyway somehow I dont really like the new XT Theme. It looks weird, maybe I should wait to see how the real product looks like. XTR RD has a very nice X shape but the XT X shape just doesnt have that classy look.

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    adding to that, the new XT caliper looks almost exactly like XTR. I wonder how good they are?? And Im digging the new XT DC lever, it looks like XTR but at a more affordable price

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    Shimano taking a cue from SRAM again (flamesuit on!) with that "direct cable routing."

    That cable attachment point location looks interesting though. As is the separate pivot and attachment bolt you mentioned. I didn't notice that before...


    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    more info here

    http://www.singletrackworld.com/arti...844f6a5f0db37a

    separate pivot and attachment bolt on the RD

    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    according to singletrackworld

    "Availability in the market (according to Shimano Europe...): July 2007 "

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    The separate hydro brake lever looks cool, but I don't care much for the crankset... looks to much like their current OEM spec, non-group cranks. I liked the previous generation better. The HII XTR is very pretty though...
    Quote Originally Posted by paneristi
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    [QUOTE=rigel]Shimano taking a cue from SRAM again (flamesuit on!) with that "direct cable routing."

    SRAM didn't own Avid when the rollamajig came out.

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    shimano invented this type of RD

    [QUOTE=Mtc]
    Quote Originally Posted by rigel
    Shimano taking a cue from SRAM again (flamesuit on!) with that "direct cable routing."

    SRAM didn't own Avid when the rollamajig came out.
    direct cable routing and the "rollamajig" type routing were both invented by shimano long before sram and or avid came up with it. Shimano just uses it on comfort series RD's

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    just to add to the discussion...here's some non studio pics of it

    http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=2425

    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-3.jpg" width="400" height="355" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-4.jpg" width="400" height="343" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>

    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-5.jpg" width="400" height="330" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-6.jpg" width="400" height="312" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-7.jpg" width="400" height="266" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-1.jpg" width="400" height="299" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-8.jpg" width="400" height="289" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-9.jpg" width="400" height="251" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-10.jpg" width="400" height="278" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
    <p align="center"><img src="http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/2425-11.jpg" width="400" height="273" border="0" alt="image" hspace="10" vspace="10" /></p>
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    wow, looks very nice

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    I never said anything about the Rollamajig

    SRAM had direct cable routing before they bought Avid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rigel
    Shimano taking a cue from SRAM again (flamesuit on!) with that "direct cable routing."

    SRAM didn't own Avid when the rollamajig came out.
    Better to have and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

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    how true that it will be out this july?how bout in asian countries?any inputs?tnx

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    well, Dave Turner (turnerbikes) posted his RFX with full 08 Xt about a month ago... I know he is "in the industry", but at least that means that parts are already in production, which would make it likely that they will be available very soon.

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    I'm liking that rear der more than anything, it would be nice if that above pic showed how much cable loop is eliminated.
    The wood is being bent! Let me know what you need!

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    xt detailed weight

    guys,can somebody post the weight of each component,except the parts which were being posted from their site.tnx

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    Nice bashguard

    Very clean design.... Would be nice to see an XT specific bash however...

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    hmm, I dont think anyone can post the weight of each 08 XT component yet cuz it hasn't even release yet

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    Here are weights of the new 08 XT components
    Some of these weights vary by a couple of grams depending on where you get the info.
    Rear Der (Shadow): 228
    Front Der (TS): 152
    Cranks (175): 853
    Shifter Pods (SL): 255
    Shifter DCL Hydraulic: 515
    Brake (caliper, rotor, hose, adapter, pads): 316 (las year was 353)
    Brake Lever Hydraulic: 128
    Pedal: 352
    Cassette: 297
    Wheelset XC: 1660
    Wheelset AM: 2050

    Enjoy!

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    I kind of waiting for the xt crank to hit the market. I want to upgrade but I do not want to get the current one with the known problems of the middle chain ring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless
    I kind of waiting for the xt crank to hit the market. I want to upgrade but I do not want to get the current one with the known problems of the middle chain ring
    It is already available here in Germany

    http://egle.mediamambo.de/product_in...roducts_id=734

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    tnx bro..

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    Are these 2008 models?
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    the one in the link I posted above, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless
    I kind of waiting for the xt crank to hit the market. I want to upgrade but I do not want to get the current one with the known problems of the middle chain ring
    Been thinking about the same ... But Middleburn does a middle chainring which is an exact replacement for the Shimano middlering.

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=10037

    Why? Cheaper if you do not mind the current XT design and you will save on the cranks to be spent elsewhere. Or if 32T is not for you, then you can use a 34T Middleburn?

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    where can I buy the new Shimano 08 stuff?? any good places online?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdm362
    where can I buy the new Shimano 08 stuff?? any good places online?
    some place are starting to list them, but most of them are just taking preorders (the link posted above has them actually in stock), but most others say they will get stuff by the end of this month...

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    Shimano rep came in our shop today to show us the new XT stuff. VERY nice! I'm liking the narrow Shadow derailleur, and the Servo-Wave disc brakes. I've always liked the XT cranks, so I'll be setting my new build up with a lot of the XT. Can't wait!

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    it seems Shimano is really trying their best to fight against the SRAM empire (Avid, Truvativ). Anyway I was wondering, how does the new XT brake caliper feel, especially with their new servo wave technology in it. I tested a rider's 07 XTR Calipers and I must say that its definately a improvement from the previous XTR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrekJeff
    I'm liking that rear der more than anything, it would be nice if that above pic showed how much cable loop is eliminated.

    Here's the Video from Mountain Bike / Bicycling mag that shows the new '08 XT on a bike with clear descriptions of how the new components work and differ from 'O7 XT:

    http://thisjustin.bicycling.com/2007...o_xt_turn.html

    Note the inboard location of the Shadow rear DR and the direct cable connection without the loop....all supposedly to reduce the "tear-off" risk in the woods. Retail said to be $110 which still puts it south of XTR. Wt. 238 gm.

    The brake levers are really nice with the multiple adjustments as described to balance out the front and rear, and to fit different hand sizes and pull. The full system w/o rotors is said to retail for about $290.

    Delivery ?? August 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    cool, they drop only 10kg from the previous model and the new XT crankarm design looks much sleeker.
    Yes. The Hollowtech crank arms are filled with helium, to give it that -9270grams of weight for the component. You can only weigh these components by putting your scales upside-down over top of the component, because they float upwards.
    Consequentially when I put these on my 2007 Giant Talon it went from 13.8kg to 3.9kg, which as below UCIs required 6.8kg minimum.

    Getting serious now, the RD-M772 has a rec retail of AUD220 - hardly the USD110 considering the exchange rate is 87 US cents to the AU dollar at the moment (screw you Dirtworks, I'll just buy from overseas then). I've seen the RD-772s selling for AUD159 already.

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    I got my 08 derailuer and shifter and disc brake today!! Yum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rottweiler
    I got my 08 derailuer and shifter and disc brake today!! Yum!
    sweet... post some pics up!

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    yeah, post some pics

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    Detail pictures, weight, etc will be on my eBay auction tonight

    The shifter shift better than the 07 I'm using. Performance can be compared to XTR at half the cost. I wish they have the adjustable thumbshift like XTR. Look like deore shifter.

    On the 08 derailuer, I have not install it yet. Look sleek and slim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rottweiler
    Detail pictures, weight, etc will be on my eBay auction tonight

    The shifter shift better than the 07 I'm using. Performance can be compared to XTR at half the cost. I wish they have the adjustable thumbshift like XTR. Look like deore shifter.

    On the 08 derailuer, I have not install it yet. Look sleek and slim.
    nice... the RD, shifters and cranks are available around here from one shop so far... but their prices are not usually the lowest..so I will wait for "my usual shop" to show them in stock.... I'm interested in the brake levers.. they look cool...

    I have the 07 shifters (M760) with the "two way release"...is there really much difference with the new shifters?

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    From which supplier? BeyondBikes are claiming it isn't in until the 27th.

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    The whole groupo is already in. Cost went up by 30% compared to previous year.

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    On eBay now. Price is lower than RRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rottweiler
    I got my 08 derailuer and shifter and disc brake today!! Yum!
    where do you get it?if u dont mind..TIA

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    Just ordered my shadow XT RD... seems like they are starting to show up in more stores here in Germany.... as I expected my "usual" online shop was cheaper than the one I posted above.

    http://bike-components.de/catalog/XT...+Shadow+normal

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    I agree - really like that syncros bash guard. looking for one online as we speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    I have the 07 shifters (M760) with the "two way release"...is there really much difference with the new shifters?
    I believe the new shifters will have "instant release." The M760 doesn't change gears until you let go of pressing the lever. New XT will be like the current XTR and change gears as soon as you press the lever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jwiffle
    I believe the new shifters will have "instant release." The M760 doesn't change gears until you let go of pressing the lever. New XT will be like the current XTR and change gears as soon as you press the lever.
    yep.. I know they have it... but it is not enough "upgrade" to make the switch...

    BTW.. I just installed my shadow RD and it looks and feels nice... further testing coming...

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/899519334/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1428/899519334_8b5df5feec_b.jpg" width="683" height="1024" alt="2008 shimano deore XT shadow derailleur" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/899519242/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1400/899519242_1652dedcd4_b.jpg" width="683" height="1024" alt="2008 shimano deore XT shadow derailleur" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/899519158/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1351/899519158_35eaab953f_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="weight 2008 shimano deore XT shadow derailleur" /></a>

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    Hey Crisillo, Do you know what is the profile for the M770? It is just that I am quite used to low normal? I believe the shadow is a M772.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman
    Hey Crisillo, Do you know what is the profile for the M770? It is just that I am quite used to low normal? I believe the shadow is a M772.
    I am sorry but I don't know..I haven't seen the 770 "in the flesh", but looks "standard" from the pics, just new color scheme (you are right the shadow is the 772)

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