Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 100 of 148
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation: bedell99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,274

    2008 XT wheelset

    So who has some reviews of the new XT wheelset. At $550 and 1660 grams it seems like a steal.

    Erik

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation: homey's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    468
    sorry, i dont have a review the wheels but i thought i'd hijack your post and ask a simular question, sorry. My question, are the thru-axel xt wheels strong enough for freeride usage? I want to get some lighter wheels for my SX and i love shimano... so, i'd like to get the xt wheels for urban freeriding... anybody?
    "You can become a very fast donkey, but you'll never be a thoroughbred..."

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    20
    Quote Originally Posted by homey
    sorry, i dont have a review the wheels but i thought i'd hijack your post and ask a simular question, sorry. My question, are the thru-axel xt wheels strong enough for freeride usage? I want to get some lighter wheels for my SX and i love shimano... so, i'd like to get the xt wheels for urban freeriding... anybody?

    shimano says:

    All- Mountain wheelset
    WH-M776

    - 24 stainless steel round spokes (2.0 mm) front and rear with balanced spoke pattern for maximum rigidity even in very demanding circumstances
    .........

    so I guess the answer is yes. Weight for a set w/o skewers is 2050g.

    jure

  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    make sure you get the right wheelset for your usage
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation: NJ-XC-Justin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    1,068
    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99
    At $550 and 1660 grams it seems like a steal.
    Yep, looks like a great deal. Reviews please.

    http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...ano_deore.html

  6. #6
    mtbr member
    Reputation: NJ-XC-Justin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    1,068
    Bump. Someone must have bought a set by now. Tell us what you think!

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    115
    Just got them in today, so no long-term riding impression yet.

    The good:

    They're pretty. The spoke hole plates are all cleanly welded as is the place where they welded the rim ends together. After welding the rim ends together, they've ground down the welds, but this area is finished far cleaner than my Mavic, Bontrager or Ambrosio rims. This joint also has a reinforcing gusset welded on that's the same shape as the spoke hole plates. VERY clean work, kudos to Shimano.

    Centerlock rules. I'm using a Hayes 9 XC setup, so I bought a set of Shimano adaptors from my LBS so I wouldn't have to worry about any brake track issues. These are a dream to work with. The supplied snap ring holds the rotor to the adaptor to make installing the lock ring easy. The centerlock interface is machined with close tolerances so they fit very snugly. This stuff just exudes good engineering. It's almost too easy to install a set of new rotors.

    Shimano spokes are WAAY cool. The red aluminum hexagonal spoke nipples have plenty of contact area with the (admittedly cheesy) supplied spoke wrenches. The spokes even have flats on them so you use one wrench to hold the spokes from twisting, and the other to spin the nipples. As a wheelbuilder this makes so much sense.

    The bad?

    I've been a roadie most of my cycling life, and I love how smooth the Shimano borazon bearings feel when I spin them with my hand. Ditto with the light clickety sound of my UItegra freewheel ratchets. The new XT not so much. I feel major drag when I spin the axles, probably from the seals which I guess you need for long-term durability off-road. I know the Bontrager select hubs that came on my Klein feel less draggy. Same with the freewheel ratchets on these. The extra pawls seem to add a lot of extra drag which you might just feel when you're coasting. I guess I'll just have to see.

    Overall I'm pretty stoked though. Riding impressions to follow when I hit the trails tomorrow.

  8. #8
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    wow, Shimano now is starting to make good wheels, I wonder how many manufacturers will start using Shimano XT wheels. Yeah some people says that centre lock is a very good idea, it makes removing and installing the rotor wayyyyy easier and there is another positive comment which I forgot.
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  9. #9
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Black RONIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,505
    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    wow, Shimano now is starting to make good wheels, I wonder how many manufacturers will start using Shimano XT wheels. Yeah some people says that centre lock is a very good idea, it makes removing and installing the rotor wayyyyy easier and there is another positive comment which I forgot.
    Shimano always made good wheels. I had 2 pairs of the old XT wheels, and a pair of the old XTR. Now I have a 07 XTR wheel set on the way for my Stumpjumper. I always thought most riders under-rated Shimano wheels because Mavic wheels always got way much more exposure by many bike companies, just like Fox. But there are many companies going full XT this year, including wheels, and that is good news.

    Anyway, Shimano really got not one, but severel steps up with the new XT. I can't think of a more reliable, consistent and connected group sets as the XT and XTR. They achieved a level of excelence that surpass many other brands by far. The new Shadow RD option was the most welcome evolution, and although many preach that as a carbon copy of the SRAM RDs, I beg to differ. They only came with a natural solution to an issue that they own product had (to many types of frames, the RD could bang against the frame, causing damage to very frame and the RD itself), and improved that to match the expected quality riders demand.

    The Center-Lock option is one of the most amazing features Shimano have ever came with, that is really easy to set up the rotors on the hubs. Of course, CL rotors had some issues back then concerning the pins that hold the braking furface to the lock ring, but nothing serious, only minor movements whenever the case happend because the pins tended to loose up a little on the old XTR rotors (the rotor itself was very thin and a bit flexy, what caused the loosing up), but now, both XT and XTR have come to a flawless state. I'm using CL for over 4 years now.
    Last edited by Black RONIN; 10-06-2007 at 04:26 PM.

  10. #10
    Nightriding rules SuperModerator
    Reputation: crisillo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    20,792
    those wheels are sweet...

    a friend of mine just built a Meta 5 with the XT wheels and they look awesome... he says they feel good

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/1493266823/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2163/1493266823_e0425065c5_b.jpg" width="681" height="1024" alt="adrian's meta 5" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/1494116866/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/1494116866_c6bce33db6_b.jpg" width="1024" height="681" alt="adrian's meta 5" /></a>

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    wow, that colour and patten makes the wheel look futuristic
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  12. #12
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    115
    Riding impressions:

    These aren't super light when you lift them, but you can feel the rotational lightness immediately. This makes them great to use on technical trails when you have to slow down to finesse through an obstacle, then speed up again to roll over the next one. Together with the faster engagement of the freewheel, I cleared so many sections of trails I wasn't able to before, it was unfair on my buddy behind me.

    I also found it was a lot easier to swing the bike under me when dancing out of the saddle. I seemed to flow up uphill sections of trails, where before my pedal strokes were uneven with a more obvious power stroke. This really helped me breeze over obstacles on the uphill.

    As for the draggy feel of the bearings I felt earlier, I wasn't able to detect anything once on the bike. If anything when pedalling everything seemed slicker than before. The freehub does make a heck of a lot more noise than before though, which is mildly annoying. Oh yeah, and if anyone wanted to know how the adaptors worked out, they were great. I didn't have to touch the calipers to make these work, and there was no squealing at all on the trails.

    One thing that bothers me is the torsional stiffness of these wheels. I wanted to know how well these wheels accelerate over fast flat sections, but was disappointed to find they seem kinda slow. I can only go by feel, but I didn't get that sensation of instant response I was used to getting with the stock Bonty Selects. This may have to do with how light the wheels are, and maybe I'm just not getting the feedback from the inertia of the wheels as much. Like maybe they're accelerating too easily? This is something I'm just going to have to look into more.

    To end, I have to say how surprised I am at how much difference a wheel can make. I expected the faster engagement to help a little with the technical stuff, but the rotational lightness of the wheels really makes moving the bike around under you so much easier. This makes the bike more nimble through tight sections of trails. There's gotta be something else working with these wheels because it's also much easier rolling over obstacles too.

    And yes, they do make the Klein look sharper too.

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    52

    Shimano WH-M776 XT 2008 Disc

    Hi guys,

    I guess that now, thanks to Cris, I need to post my review for this wheelset. I should have done it some weeks ago, but I didn't have enough time. Anyway, here we go.

    The wheelset is the Shimano WH-M776 XT 2008 Disc, Center Lock, 20mm Thru-Axel.

    First thing to mention is that this is my first wheelset with a 20mm TA axel and I was riding until now a 10kg hardtail with 100-120mm front travel. Thus, I'm not very experienced with too burly components. However, I ride pretty aggressive and I want the components I use to take some beat. When I bought the wheels I was in the market for a wheelset with a TA 20mm front hub. I wanted a strong wheelset but also light. The ideal option(thinking of a light wheelset) would have been the DT Swiss EX 1750. However they go for more than 500 Euro (this should be ~700$) even on ebay. The other options would have been to get a custom build set, but also in this case I would have spend more than 350 Euro for a under 2000gr wheelset.

    After I've seen the wheels during the Eurobike show, I was pretty much convinced. I got them for 280 Euro form an online shop in Germany (Bike-components for you guys in EU). What can I can say, they worth any cent.

    PROS:

    * The build quality is top, especially the rims. Each wheel feels like "one piece". I have on the other bike a set of Cane Creek Zonos (which I love) and I can say that the Shimano wheels feel more solid and stiffer, if one can say this! They also look nice with the think logos on the rim and the red nipples and red TA.

    * Compared with the DT EX1750 these wheels feel more burly. I didn't ride the EX1750, but I payed with them at Eurobike and the thin spokes didn't gave me that burly feel the XT's did. I don't want to say one is better than the other, but this was my impression of the wheels out of the box. And who know, probably when you ride them the roles change .

    * The weight was spot on: 2048 grams for the pair, excluding the rear QR (which I think weighted ~60gr), but including the UST valves and the front CL Lockring.

    * The most important feature for me is that they are UST, since I will run them like that. Thus, if you want to run UST tires or normal tire using sealant you don't add any weight (except for the sealant in the case you want to use it). On the EX1750 (or wheels with the DT 5.1 rim) you will need to add ~50gr for the conversion. So the weight diff. is not more than 200gr!

    * The rim is pretty wide. If I remember correctly the inside width is ~23mm (but I need to measure that again to be sure ). It was also the easier wheels to mount tires to. I mounted couple of tires: Bontrager Big Earl TRT, Maxxis Larsen TT UST and Michelin Hot S UST without the use of the levers. Well, it took me 1-2 minutes to put the HOT S, but in the end it went in. For the other two, the mounting was instantly. All the tires sealed very easy, only with the use of a floor pump. The Big Earl and the HOT S didn't loose any air in two weeks, including the first ride, even though I don't have sealant in them. Pretty sweet!

    * The hubs are smooth, but not as smooth as a DT 240. Well, this is normal for the beginning. I will report how they feel after couple of rides. The rear freewheel has more engagement points than before and its a bit noisier. However, you won't hear it on the trail that much, especially if you have a Hope Pro 2 beside you .



    CONS:

    * The rear hub is not convertible to a TA system. It would have been perfect if Shimano would have offer a conversion kit to allow the use a 12mm TA in the rear; since these wheels are targeted to the AM crowed and most probably they will end up on FS bikes, this feature would make totally sens. One can also argue that the front is not convertible to a QR like a Hope Pro, but then you have lighter wheelsets to use for a QR fork. So this is not quite a problem. Lets just hope Shimano will make a conversion kit for the rear hub soon enough .

    * The hub components are not as nicely finished as the rest. I hope that they are reliable as older XT components. Probably Shimano could have shaved some weight going for some Alloy parts there, but they know better .

    * The logos on the hubs are poor. Can't really understand this. The rims have thick logos which looks very nice. But you barely see them on the hubs. With some thicker logos on the hubs the wheels would have look even better (not that they don't ).

    * The wheels use the CL mounting system. Is not that I don't like it, in some way it is a better system than the IS 6-bolts for mounting discs, but it forces you to use either Shimano rotors, or the CL to IS adapters. At the moment I'm using XTR rotors 180/160 without problems.

    * They are a System wheelset. Thus, you need special spare spokes from Shimano. For me this is not quite a problem yet, but only the time will tell. If spare spoke will be available, then I don't see any big problem.




    On the first ride the wheels felt good; a very solid feel. However it is hard to make a real statement since the bike was new, and there were so many components that I didn't test before. Anyway coming for a 10kg HT to a 13.5kg FS you expect to feel some diff. especially in the acceleration. The wheels felt really nice though. It was easy to pedal and the acceleration was also good, better than I expected given that I have the heavy Big Earl and HOT S tires mounted on them. More I can't really say since I don't have too many KM on them. I just hope they will run like this for a long long time .

    Bottom line is that, for the money you pay 300-350 Euro, you get a hell of a wheelset. If they will hold the abuse and if there will be a conversion kit to TA for the rear, than Shimano has a winner.

    Here are some more pictures:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianalexa/1503480361/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2208/1503480361_6e243485db_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1449" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianalexa/1503480357/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/1503480357_cedfda3fb5_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1441" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianalexa/1503480297/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2045/1503480297_ec3f1bbc39_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1433" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianalexa/1503406075/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2115/1503406075_956f039030_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1428" /></a>


    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianalexa/1503480371/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2190/1503480371_bbc267bab8_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1452" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianalexa/1503406051/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/1503406051_3abef98dcd_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1417" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/adrianalexa/1503406043/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2412/1503406043_29bb7ee34d_o.jpg" width="1024" height="768" alt="IMG_1415" /></a>



    Hope this helps,
    Adrian

  14. #14
    Nightriding rules SuperModerator
    Reputation: crisillo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    20,792
    Quote Originally Posted by macadam
    Hi guys,

    I guess that now, thanks to Cris, I need to post my review for this wheelset. I should have done it some weeks ago, but I didn't have enough time. Anyway, here we go....

    Nice review, Adrian!

  15. #15
    mtbr member
    Reputation: NJ-XC-Justin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    1,068
    Just checked back to see if there were any reviews and whammo, a bunch! Thanks. Looks very positive overall. Most are for for the TA version -- can anyone with the QA style verify the claimed 1700 gram total weight? Also, would it be fair to say the overall wheel is an excellent package but the hubs might not roll as smooth as other leading hubs -- Hope Pro II, SLR, I9, etc?

  16. #16
    mtbr member
    Reputation: bedell99's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,274
    The only thing I find about using custom hubs is the lack of lightweight UST rims on the market. It seems you have two choices Mavic 819's or Stans Rims.

    The new XT is going on my bike when it becomes more available at the online shops that I get a discount at. Looks like a hell of deal if i can get them at $450 for a set.

    Erik

  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    oh yeah bout Stans rims, I understand that a UST rim doesnt need a sealant, but since Stans isnt really a UST but have a BST, must you still use a sealant?
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  18. #18
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    115
    Quote Originally Posted by NJ-XC-Justin
    Also, would it be fair to say the overall wheel is an excellent package but the hubs might not roll as smooth as other leading hubs -- Hope Pro II, SLR, I9, etc?
    I'd probably guess the exact opposite based on the construction of the hubs. Here's why.

    The larger "regular" sized ball bearings in Shimano hubs theoretically means they will have lower rolling resistance than most sealed cartridge bearing types like the Hopes or I9s. The larger number of small bearings in those cartridges means more contact area, so more rolling resistance. With the Hopes you have 5 cartridges so those hubs theoretically should have a significantly higher rolling resistance than the XTs. The benefit is the greater durability of the Hopes. There's always a trade-off somewhere.

    Shimano also uses what they call a borazon surface treatment on their bearing races which makes them incredibly smooth. They therefore spin uber smooth under load, which is far more important than how it feels when you spin it with your hand.

    I'd be really interested to know how much noise premium hubs like I9s make when you spin them in a truing stand sitting on a sound board like a wooden table. Once Shimano started using the borazon surface treatment, my Ultegra wheels barely made a whisper, even when my ear was close to the table. I'm curious how smooth those Japanese bearings are, that I9 chose for their hubs, to see if Shimano's borazon treatment is really unique or just normal for high quality bearings.

  19. #19
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    my dad says Japanese are expert in making stuffs like bushings to be as smooth as bearings, so Im not surprise if shimano bearing has lower rolling resistance then most sealed catridge bearings
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Tinshield's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    2,134
    Will the XC set hold up to moderate all mountain riding? Too bad the AM set can't convert to a QR for those who really don't need a 20mm axle.

  21. #21
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    52
    Hi Tinshield,

    what do you mean by "moderate all mountain riding" and on what bike do you intend to put the wheels?

    The WH-M775 (XC) should be as strong as the WH-M776 (AM). The differences between the wheels are:
    • the spokes on the XC model are butted 2.0/1.8/2.0 compared with the AM model which have round 2.0 spokes
    • the rim on the XC model is ~23mm wide (on the outside) compared with the ~26mm of the AM.


    Now, I don't think the butted spokes on the XC will make a weaker wheel, at least not for the XC. And the rim on the XC model is not on the thin side (similar width with DT Swiss 4.2d, Bontrager (the rim used on the RACE X LITE TLR), etc).

    I personally don't see a disadvantage on the fact that the AM model is 20mm TA model. I would not take the weight penalty (~300gr) of the AM wheels in the case in which I want to use them on a sub 140mm travel bike. I think the XC's will do just fine. I had the same problem when I was in the market for a wheelset, but then I realize that a wheel which one will put on a TA fork will be overkill for a QR fork. Thus, unless you are on a budget and you need to share the same pair of wheels between diff. bikes, you should get the wheels designed for your intended application.


    Just some thoughts on the other comments.

    I'm not a big fan of the Shimano hubs. Well, not untill now, and this might change . One big reason for this is the weight of the hubs; you will find lots of lighter options out there. However, they are long lasting hubs, especially the rear one. I used couple of different hubs (DT, Mavic, Shimano, Cane Creek, Formula) until now and played with even more. Right now I have a spare front wheel with a Sun Ringle Dirty Flea front hub, and damn, this thing rolls so smooth. If you put enough time in setting your XT hubs you can achieve a similar result. But even if the hubs don't feel like butter when you play with them, I doubt you will feel any difference once they're on the trail. My WH-M776 wheels feel very good until now and they roll as good as the Zonos wheels or my old wheelset with DT hubs.

    Adrian

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Tinshield's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    2,134
    Well, I'm more of a XC guy but I ride with a group and go where they go, hehe. We do have a lot of roots and rocks p here. I have Bontrager Mustang ceramics (425g) on CK hubs with butted spokes now (32 spokes F&R). I've had these wheels for years with no issues.

    I'm thinking about getting a new 08 Yeti 575 and putting these on instead of the DT's that come with it. Not sure.

  23. #23
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    52
    Well, the DT 540 rims are 27.9mm wide and the XTs are only 23.3mm (for the XC model). For sure the XTs will be lighter. I would say the DT wheels from the 575 will be a bit more over 2000gr, thus 300gr heavier than the WH-M775. You will be able to mount UST tires on the XTs which can be a plus (if this is what you want).

    If you are a light rider and you don't do lots of jumps probably you will be OK on the XT wheels. Keep in mind they have 24 spokes. A look on the Yeti site shows that their top 575 model comes with XTR wheels, which are very similar with the XTs (the XTR rims are from scandium, and those lighter). So the XT wheels seems to fit the intended purpose of the 575, especially if you build it up with a FLOAT RLC 140mm fork.

    The '08 XT wheels are quite new on the market, not more that 3-4 months, so it is almost impossible to get a good overview about their durability and performance. It is a bit of a gamble, as with any other new products. Shimano products are quite reliable though and I still don't know of any product from them having design or reliability issues (except probably the old XTR disk brake calipers), especially for the top groups.

    Adrian

  24. #24
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    81
    When will these be available in the US? Does anybody know how much they will cost?

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    5
    wow. the reviews seem to be very positive. I just purchased a set m-775 with xtr rotors from Chainreaction and the whole "kit" only cost $480... beat my LBS by $230+.

  26. #26
    fan of maple syrup
    Reputation: nuclear_powered's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,580
    Quote Originally Posted by finalist
    wow. the reviews seem to be very positive. I just purchased a set m-775 with xtr rotors from Chainreaction and the whole "kit" only cost $480... beat my LBS by $230+.
    Don't mean to pepper you with too many questions but ...
    How are they? Given them a good bashing yet? What sorta bike have you got them on? What sorta riding do you do? Light AM/Aggressive XC, or just the typical XC or XC racing?
    Quote Originally Posted by macadam
    The WH-M775 (XC) should be as strong as the WH-M776 AM).
    So does that mean the rims are the same in all aspects except width? And the hubs are only different in their axle diameter/type? If so, I'm assuming I could pull off some aggressive XC (i.e. going straight through the rocks instead of picking a line, hitting a few 3ft drops, a few small doubles etc) and the rim/hub/spoke strength not be an issue?

    I really like the look of these wheels, combined with the fact that they're UST ready (sealed rim anyway, I'd still run sealant) and well priced. But I don't want to be spending the money if they're going to dent easily, break spokes etc. If that's the case I'll get some 32h '08 XT Hubs and lace them to DT ES 5.1d or Mavic XM 819 rims.

  27. #27
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    55
    Just got my XT All Mountain wheels today, along with the XT brakes. Still waiting for the bike they are going on so it will be a bit before I can give a review.
    Attached Images Attached Images

  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Black RONIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,505
    Has anyone compared the new XT 20mm wheels to other sets, like the Crossmax ST 20mm? I'd choose the XT, but for me the only drawback seems to be the weight, since the STs are almost 400g lighter. Any thoughts?

    @Tricky17: Nice set. They are sooo good looking that I'm tempted to buy a set anyway, despite the weight. BTW, which bike are planning to put these babies?

  29. #29
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    55
    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    Has anyone compared the new XT 20mm wheels to other sets, like the Crossmax ST 20mm? I'd choose the XT, but for me the only drawback seems to be the weight, since the STs are almost 400g lighter. Any thoughts?

    @Tricky17: Nice set. They are sooo good looking that I'm tempted to buy a set anyway, despite the weight. BTW, which bike are planning to put these babies?
    I am going to use the XT wheelset on a Trance XO which comes with the Crossmax ST. I am going to use it with the stock wheels and fork for light trail rides. I also have a Fox 36 Talas RC2 I am going to use on it for days when I want to go a bit harder. Because the Crossmax ST are not convertible from regular QR to 20mm like the Crossmax XL were I needed a new front wheel to swap when I changed the forks so I just bought this whole set. My Trance XO should be here within 2 weeks. Will be able to give a comparison of the 2 sets shortly after but it will obviously be the regular QR front.

  30. #30
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    155
    Awesome review Adrian. I have noticed that shimano's hubs are fugly. I wonder why they can't throw a little bling factor into them. Even if they were glossy they would look better IMO.

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    5
    Quote Originally Posted by nuclear_powered
    Don't mean to pepper you with too many questions but ...
    How are they? Given them a good bashing yet? What sorta bike have you got them on? What sorta riding do you do? Light AM/Aggressive XC, or just the typical XC or XC racing?

    So does that mean the rims are the same in all aspects except width? And the hubs are only different in their axle diameter/type? If so, I'm assuming I could pull off some aggressive XC (i.e. going straight through the rocks instead of picking a line, hitting a few 3ft drops, a few small doubles etc) and the rim/hub/spoke strength not be an issue?

    I really like the look of these wheels, combined with the fact that they're UST ready (sealed rim anyway, I'd still run sealant) and well priced. But I don't want to be spending the money if they're going to dent easily, break spokes etc. If that's the case I'll get some 32h '08 XT Hubs and lace them to DT ES 5.1d or Mavic XM 819 rims.
    My set is holding up perfectly and the biggest improvement from my deore set is the braking - smoother and very quiet. I have my M775s on a 2008 HKEK. I'm about 200lbs and I've definately given them a good bashing, and they are true as day one.

  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    197

    how bout on a rigid?

    what do you guys think about running the XC version, the M775 wheelset on a rigid steel hardtail?

    i've heard that 24 spoke wheels are kind of iffy on a rigid, especially double butted spokes.

    i'm about 180 lbs and ride moderate XC in michigan (hey we got hills)

  33. #33
    wyrd bi ful rd
    Reputation: chinaman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,725
    Quote Originally Posted by Tricky17
    Just got my XT All Mountain wheels today, along with the XT brakes. Still waiting for the bike they are going on so it will be a bit before I can give a review.
    New brakes and wheels ... tasty ... I am already using a 5.1D with hope hubs so will have to wait till they go before i am in the market for another wheel set ...

    But i guess you can always trust Shimano (to a certain extent) ... am quite surprised the AM wheelset has rim width of 26mm, my 5.1Ds only come in 22mm (internal width)

    BTW are those widths quoted external or internal?
    Last edited by chinaman; 12-02-2007 at 06:17 AM.

  34. #34
    wyrd bi ful rd
    Reputation: chinaman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,725
    Quote Originally Posted by harryzhong
    ... rigid steel hardtail ... i've heard that 24 spoke wheels are kind of iffy on a rigid, especially double butted spokes ...
    I have a rigid hard tail and think that as one will be restricted to certain trails, or at least go 'slower' than those with FS, the impact on the wheel set will be less and do not see any problems with the XC wheel set.

    Took my rigid hardtail to Afan Forest in the UK and felt my elbows and shoulders aching for days afterwards ... but it felt good but I will not do it again ... will bring the FS next time

    I am using a hope hub with a DT Swiss 20mm (internal) rim width and feels this is more than sufficient.
    Last edited by chinaman; 12-02-2007 at 09:16 AM.

  35. #35
    Nightriding rules SuperModerator
    Reputation: crisillo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    20,792
    Quote Originally Posted by chinaman
    New brakes and wheels ... tasty ... I am already using a 5.1D with hope hubs so will have to wait till they go before i am in the market for another wheel set ...

    But i guess you can always trust Shimano (to a certain extent) ... am quite surprised the AM wheelset has rim width of 26mm, my 5.1Ds only come in 22mm (internal width)

    BTW are those widths quoted external or internal?
    I think that 26mm width on the shimano wheels is external..so the 5.1 is still 2 mm wider externally..
    Last edited by crisillo; 12-02-2007 at 07:28 AM.

  36. #36
    wyrd bi ful rd
    Reputation: chinaman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,725
    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    I think those 26mm n the shimano wheels are external..so the 5.1 is still 2 mm wider externally..
    Cheers Cris ... I guess the difference in weight is made up by the price then

  37. #37
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    Hmm what is the difference between the width of the rims? My Alex DP17 rear wheel has gone out of shape abit. And its only after a year use and I dont think I really abuse it.
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  38. #38
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    119
    I love the new 08 XT wheel set. I have the XC set up and at 210 lbs they hold up real well so far. It been about a month of hard riding. I took the wheels off to inspect them a bit closer. The rear free hub body is loud as normal and has just a hint of side to side play. Is this normal to have just a bit of play? In the past I have run Shimano XT hubs and would blow a free hub body twice a year. I am wondering If this will be the case. Let me know if your hub body is like this.

  39. #39
    wyrd bi ful rd
    Reputation: chinaman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,725
    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Hmm what is the difference between the width of the rims? My Alex DP17 rear wheel has gone out of shape abit. And its only after a year use and I dont think I really abuse it.
    XC model 23mm (external width)
    AM 26mm ...

  40. #40
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    119
    I have the XC 23mm, and for sure after the ride the today I for sure have a jacked free hub body..I only have 10 rides tops on the wheel, but I am certain I have to replace the hub body...I called Shimano last week to see if they have any. Nothing is the states yet? How can this be. Years ago I was a Skunk tester for Shimano. I gave them lot of feed back on how to make certain components stronger for larger riders over 190 lbs...I am pissed, now that I have to send in the free hib body and wait a few weeks...I'll have to buy a back up whel set this week. I like the Shiamno wheels, but 10 rides and the rear is shot!!!

  41. #41
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    XC model 23mm (external width)
    AM 26mm ...
    Thanks
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  42. #42
    wyrd bi ful rd
    Reputation: chinaman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    1,725
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Earth
    ... I have the XC 23mm ... I like the Shiamno wheels, but 10 rides and the rear is shot ...
    Maybe you could have them swap for the 26mm ... That might hopefully better distribute the 'abuse' ...

  43. #43
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    119
    Looks like the Big S is going to send me out a new free hub body this week...Will keep you posted.

  44. #44
    mtbr member
    Reputation: StudioDino's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    184
    I saw a pair of Shimano XT (M775) wheels at my LBS and they look great, thinking/planning on buying a pair. Any update on the performance? How do they hold up in the Arizona desert rocky trail riding, e.g. McDowell, Estrella and Sonoran competitive tracks?

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    127
    Why 24 spokes? They offer hubs in 32 and 36 ... why don't they offer wheelsets with these hubs? Clydes need sronger wheels.

  46. #46
    fan of maple syrup
    Reputation: nuclear_powered's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,580
    Quote Originally Posted by WildJackal
    Why 24 spokes? They offer hubs in 32 and 36 ... why don't they offer wheelsets with these hubs? Clydes need sronger wheels.
    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I from what I understand, wheels with straight pull spokes are stronger, therefore you need less spokes. So I'm guessing their 24 spoke wheels would be as strong as an identical version with 32 conventional spokes.

  47. #47
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    28
    One question: Is it possible to swap out the spokes of these sets for lighter ones? I am really looking at the AM version for the TA but it's a tad heavy at 2040+. ANy chance I could hook them up with some lighter straight pull spokes?

  48. #48
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    52
    Hi,

    I don't see why one would like to change the spokes. If there are any heavy parts on that wheelset, than they are the hubs. And I don't find the wheels heavy; yes there are lighter options out there but not a lot lighter.

    My set toped the scale at 2053gramms ready to mount (valves and the front lockring included). You just need to put a pair of tires on them and you are ready to go. Not to forget that they are UST rims, which work perfectly.

    The spokes are 2.0mm Stainless Steel. On the XC version they use Butted (2.0/1.8/2.0) Stainless Stee and the XTR WH-M975 (2.0/1.5/2.0) Stainless Steel. So I guess that you can use the same spokes they put on the XTR wheels, but given that there are only 24 spoke, such thin spoke won't be strong enough especially for the intended purpose of the XT WH-M776 wheels.

    They are great wheels. On the trail you don't even feel them. I would buy them again without any hesitation.

    Hope this helps,
    Adrian

  49. #49
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Black RONIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,505
    Quote Originally Posted by edge808
    One question: Is it possible to swap out the spokes of these sets for lighter ones? I am really looking at the AM version for the TA but it's a tad heavy at 2040+. ANy chance I could hook them up with some lighter straight pull spokes?
    No, you can't use any spoke but Shimano's XT specific spokes (actually, I don't really know if you can get XTR spokes instead, since it shares the same characteristics, but better get informed first with a authorized Shimano dealer), neither use another lacing patern than the Shimano standard. And if you could, you'd be compromising the wheel for its intended use (consider compromising even if you can switch the XT spokes for the XTR's). But they are not that heavy if you compare them with the Crossmax SX wheelset, which is the right one to get it compared with.

    But since you want a lighter 20mm front-hubbed wheelset, Shimano's XT AM wheelset won't meet your expectations weight-wise. Those are insanely strong wheels, and can be used further beyond its claimed use, FR and even more. If you want less weight and still get some stiffness and strenght, you have nowhere to run but toward Mavic's Crossmax ST 20 or DT's EX 1750s. But that will cost you a little more (well, the EX 1750 will cost you a bit more than the STs) money than the XTs.

    But if you want to get agressive on the trail, and if you ride tough (I'm guessing since you want a TA for more stiffness and strenght, all good reasons for a better ride, but almost vital for a true agressive rider), consider either the XT or the SX. But if you just want some extra strenght and stiffness for your "regular" trail rides (assuming you have, what, a Prophet, or a Yeti 575, or even a Stumpjumper), the Crossmax ST will do the job quite well.

    Just keep in mind that the XTs are in another league where some extra weight is not the problem. You should know that first, if weight is really a matter you can't afford for a lot more safety, and then decide. But you can never go wrong with any of the above listed wheels. What you can go wrong is getting the wrong wheels for your riding style. You'll get "disaster" writen all over it, and over you, eventually. Take care.
    Last edited by Black RONIN; 01-31-2008 at 03:40 PM.

  50. #50
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    28
    swift replies. sweet.

    in any case, are the hubs of the wheelset exactly like the standalone hubs in terms of engagement? It should be right?

  51. #51
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Black RONIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,505
    Quote Originally Posted by edge808
    swift replies. sweet.

    in any case, are the hubs of the wheelset exactly like the standalone hubs in terms of engagement? It should be right?
    No. Both the XTR and XT standalone hubs are different from the hubs found in the wheelsets. They are the same in terms of structure, but not in the same to engage the spokes, since the standalones need to be compatible with "regular" spokes to be assembled as a wheel. But the rest is all the same, in mechs, performance and structure. All of tem are also Center-Lock only.

    Edge, if you want some nice wheels, why not assembling one? Both XTR and XT have 20mm standalone hubs, and the rear ones perform just as good. Considering you want Shimano wheels or hubs, you can get a super strong wheels going with XT hubs, DT Swiss' Comp spokes and EX5.1 series rims. You'll have around 1020 grams for the rims, around 192g for the spokes and around 600g for the hubs. It will be around 1800g for the set, and you get as much strenght, if not more, as the XT wheelset. There are always a number of possibilities to consider, and one should cope with your needs!

  52. #52
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Black RONIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,505
    Quote Originally Posted by edge808
    swift replies. sweet.

    in any case, are the hubs of the wheelset exactly like the standalone hubs in terms of engagement? It should be right?
    Edge, only one more thing: if you ever get any Shimano Center-Lock compatible hub or wheelset, get the XTR rotors. They are very good, really. Very strong and reliable, and all the issues found in the past model is gone. They are super stiff and straight, and have good ventilation. I use 180mm front and 160mm rear. Don't need more than that.

  53. #53
    fnar fnar brrraaaaap
    Reputation: ilostmypassword's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    2,160
    After running XTR last year and having the rear axel snap and then the bearings ruin the hub- I replaced the rear for $500!. As from the next set of wheels i buy- i'm going XT all the way!

    $500 (ebay prices) for a complete set that weigh just a 100g more than XTR which cost $1000.00 (ebay prices)

    A set of sub 1700g wheels for less than $500 is just fantastic!

  54. #54
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    28
    Yup, I was already considering that. What I meant with engagement though was freewheel engagement. Sorry for the confusion. I'm looking more along the lines of XT hubs + DT Revos + 819 Disc/719 Disc. I'm primarily considering Mavic rims as they are crazy strong compared to similar width rims of other brands.

    In any case, thanks for the thoughts. I think you may have misquoted the spoke weights though, 192g might just be enough for one wheel for Dt Comps.

  55. #55
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Black RONIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,505
    Quote Originally Posted by edge808
    Yup, I was already considering that. What I meant with engagement though was freewheel engagement. Sorry for the confusion. I'm looking more along the lines of XT hubs + DT Revos + 819 Disc/719 Disc. I'm primarily considering Mavic rims as they are crazy strong compared to similar width rims of other brands.

    In any case, thanks for the thoughts. I think you may have misquoted the spoke weights though, 192g might just be enough for one wheel for Dt Comps.
    Oh man, sorry for that, I really understood you wanted to know about the spoke engagement. Well, and you got it right about the weight for the spokes; that is for one wheel only. My bad! Anyway, you can go even lighter if you consider the same specs and get the 4.1 rims instead. They are quite light and strong (around 400g each). Other great rims are the Mavic 819. They are very strong, not so heavy at 480g each and can run tubeless. They are the same rims used in the former Crossmax XL, so they are good for full throttle riding over nasty trails. Insanely tough rims are the SunRingl S.O.S. rims. Man, those were the STIFFEST rims I ever had, and they were assembled on XT hubs and DT Comps, and had the feeling of going 20mm on my Float RL 130. But they are a little heavier than the 819s, at 520g. But you get what you need, for sure! Cnan't imagine how stiff it would be on 20mm axle! CRAZY!

    But since I got 2 bikes, one for my cross country riding and another for my all-mountain/agressive riding needs, I've got to choose two different wheelsets and that really helped me to fine tune each bike. Wheels are so important that they are the next thing I pick after a frame and a fork. I really consider everything that will go with the bike to set it perfectly for its intended use. Wheels are just the base for a great bike, since you will roll down over them, you have to get it rolling smooth.

    We've been discussing so much about it, but what is your bike and set-up? Riding style? We could better fit a opinion if we learn about your style and your bike...
    Last edited by Black RONIN; 01-31-2008 at 07:45 PM.

  56. #56
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    28
    And I appreciate the comments.

    I've a Yeti 575 dressed up currently for racing:

    Revelation Dual air up front, XT drivetrain, Avid BB7s, and my current wheelset: 08XT + Dt Revos + Mavic XC717.

    I'm starting to get a little more aggressive for my own good these days so I was thinking of moving to a more sturdy setup: Pike Dual + wider thru axle wheelset. Want to upgrade more to give myself a little more peace of mind while jumping over things.

  57. #57
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Black RONIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,505
    Quote Originally Posted by edge808
    And I appreciate the comments.

    I've a Yeti 575 dressed up currently for racing:

    Revelation Dual air up front, XT drivetrain, Avid BB7s, and my current wheelset: 08XT + Dt Revos + Mavic XC717.

    I'm starting to get a little more aggressive for my own good these days so I was thinking of moving to a more sturdy setup: Pike Dual + wider thru axle wheelset. Want to upgrade more to give myself a little more peace of mind while jumping over things.
    WOW! I'm getting a 575 myself as well! Man, so in this case, to retain most of the bike's racing performance (it DOES climb damn well!) without compromising the strenght of the chassis, and since you're already getting a Pike (can't understand why Fox doesn't come with a TA 32 series - a 20mm Vanilla wouldn't be sweet? ), I'd pick the Crossmax ST, hands down. That will be the very thing I'll do if I ever feel that the 575 needs more strenght beneath the frame and between the suspensions. If you had a Seven, per say, so I'd say go with the XTs, and that would be a no-brainer. But you have a 575, a race breed machine that can take the the worst side down and smile. Let it be. Get the STs. You will have 400g less on the legs on the way up, and still get what you need to slide down all the hill below. On your bike, of course!

  58. #58
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Posts
    1,175
    Bump!!

    Any input on what it would take to convert the XC version of the wheelset to a 20mm thru axle front hub? The application would be a 575 with a Pike on the front. I wouldn't be looking for the strength of the AM wheels, but more the light-ness of the XC wheels.

  59. #59
    Nightriding rules SuperModerator
    Reputation: crisillo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    20,792
    Quote Originally Posted by twouareks
    Bump!!

    Any input on what it would take to convert the XC version of the wheelset to a 20mm thru axle front hub? The application would be a 575 with a Pike on the front. I wouldn't be looking for the strength of the AM wheels, but more the light-ness of the XC wheels.
    Tough call....you would need to get a bunch of parts and check if the hub sheel is exactly the same dimensions (would make sense to be, but better check)

    here are the exploded diagrams of both...
    QR:
    http://bike.shimano.com/media/techdo...9830625007.pdf


    TA:
    http://bike.shimano.com/media/techdo...9830625011.pdf

  60. #60
    Want to vent?
    Reputation: The SS Boz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    654
    Just got my XT enduro wheels saturday and think they are a nice solid build....

    I only have one observation (and tell me those of you who have seen them)....If a spoke nipple somehow explodes, you appear to be screwed. That is to say, there isn't a way to replace a nipple. The rim area looks solid with no removable "rim strip".

    Did I miss something?



    Being a amateur wheel builder these are the kinds of things I tend to notice (for repair-ability sake) and this is the first "factory wheeset" I've owned in a while.
    "I'm supa-fly TNT, I'm tha guns of the navarone!"

  61. #61
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    huh? Spoke nipple explodes? what you mean by explode? as in cracked?
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  62. #62
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    115
    Quote Originally Posted by The SS Boz
    If a spoke nipple somehow explodes, you appear to be screwed. That is to say, there isn't a way to replace a nipple. The rim area looks solid with no removable "rim strip".

    Did I miss something?
    Yeah, each spoke unit is made up of 4 parts. The spoke, the spoke plug, the washer and the hub nut that caps the hole your hubs. Yeah, it's too much shimano-speak for me too. From what I can tell looking at my wheels, the nipple threads into the brazed on reinforcements on your rims.

    http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/te...9830625012.pdf

  63. #63
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dover's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    485

    its no different than a mavic wheel

    Quote Originally Posted by The SS Boz
    Just got my XT enduro wheels saturday and think they are a nice solid build....

    I only have one observation (and tell me those of you who have seen them)....If a spoke nipple somehow explodes, you appear to be screwed. That is to say, there isn't a way to replace a nipple. The rim area looks solid with no removable "rim strip".

    .
    The red nipple threads into the rim.
    but if it breaks, the "broken piece" in the rim can be threaded out and replaced with a new nipple.

  64. #64
    Want to vent?
    Reputation: The SS Boz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    654
    Yeah the threading makes sense....Thanks

    Like I said, I have't owned a factory wheelset in a while.........but have seen nipples "crack" if thats the term that makes you feel comfortable
    "I'm supa-fly TNT, I'm tha guns of the navarone!"

  65. #65
    fan of maple syrup
    Reputation: nuclear_powered's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,580

    XT WH-M775 wheelset strength

    I think the strength factor for the XC version of these wheelsets has just been given a minor confidence boost as seen in the photos in this thread:
    Brian Wins D.H. Race on Mojo

    (Note: Should the photos in that link not work, it is pictures of Brian Lopes hitting some dirt jumps on an Ibis Mojo with aforementioned wheelset)

  66. #66
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Black RONIN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    1,505
    Quote Originally Posted by nuclear_powered
    I think the strength factor for the XC version of these wheelsets has just been given a minor confidence boost as seen in the photos in this thread:
    Brian Wins D.H. Race on Mojo

    (Note: Should the photos in that link not work, it is pictures of Brian Lopes hitting some dirt jumps on an Ibis Mojo with aforementioned wheelset)
    (X-threading here with the Brian Wins DH Race on a Mojo thread)

    I really don't know what I'm more impressed with, if it's the XT wheels or the Ibis Mojo, because Brian is always impressive, although I always thought the XT wheels were bomb-proof, after this I'm having a totally different concept about them! Man, they are STRONG! Suddenly I'm even more in love with my XTR wheelset... But I'm sure I'm gonna go XT on my next spec'ing. And maybe a Mojo too...

  67. #67
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    2,501
    Check out the next generation SLX (LX as previous generation), Shimano claims its stronger then the current XT. Oh yeah and Hone line is going to go bye bye and it will be replaced by SLX.

    LX on the other hand will be for cruiser bikes (I dont know why shimano did this). So in the future SLX for MTB and LX for cruiser bikes.
    07 Giant Anthem 2 (Int'l Edition) | omartan.co.cc
    Im a MOJO Fanboy

  68. #68
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Posts
    77
    any way to get just the rims??

  69. #69
    San Diego County
    Reputation: Duzitall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    1,475

    Easier said than done

    Quote Originally Posted by Dover
    The red nipple threads into the rim.
    but if it breaks, the "broken piece" in the rim can be threaded out and replaced with a new nipple.
    I have a set of otherwise perfectly good DeeMaxes that the "fore" nipple "exploded" on. Head broke off the fore nip.

    I can't get the damn thing outa the rim to install a new fore nipple. I haven't worked on it too much but it sucks. I think that's the last time I'll buy that type system.
    Quote Originally Posted by turnerbikes View Post
    Of course the easiest way to fix this is to go for a hike.
    DT

  70. #70
    mtbr member
    Reputation: StudioDino's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    184
    I had the XT wheelset for months. I have been in three races this year (Arizona trails - all rocks and rocks) and the wheels perform great. No problem with the tubeless tires too. The wheels were designed for tubeless, no tape, a little stan's and I'm ready to go.
    www.StudioDino.com
    The Ride: 2013 Specialized Epic is epic / Roubaix

  71. #71
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    119
    The XT Wheels are strong for sure, I weigh 215, ride an 08 MOJO XL and have not had any issue with the wheels. Keep an eye out for the free hub body going south in a hurry. I am on my second free hub body.

  72. #72
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    447
    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    After running XTR last year and having the rear axel snap and then the bearings ruin the hub- I replaced the rear for $500!. As from the next set of wheels i buy- i'm going XT all the way!

    $500 (ebay prices) for a complete set that weigh just a 100g more than XTR which cost $1000.00 (ebay prices)

    A set of sub 1700g wheels for less than $500 is just fantastic!
    Chainreaction cycles has XTR wheels for around $700 total for front and rear.

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=18172
    ... And I Am You,
    And What I See Is Me!

  73. #73
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    447

    Chainreaction- save some cash

    Quote Originally Posted by ilostmypassword
    After running XTR last year and having the rear axel snap and then the bearings ruin the hub- I replaced the rear for $500!. As from the next set of wheels i buy- i'm going XT all the way!

    $500 (ebay prices) for a complete set that weigh just a 100g more than XTR which cost $1000.00 (ebay prices)

    A set of sub 1700g wheels for less than $500 is just fantastic!
    Chainreaction cycles has XTR wheels for around $700 total for front and rear.

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=18172
    ... And I Am You,
    And What I See Is Me!

  74. #74
    fan of maple syrup
    Reputation: nuclear_powered's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,580
    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    (X-threading here with the Brian Wins DH Race on a Mojo thread)

    I really don't know what I'm more impressed with, if it's the XT wheels or the Ibis Mojo, because Brian is always impressive, although I always thought the XT wheels were bomb-proof, after this I'm having a totally different concept about them! Man, they are STRONG! Suddenly I'm even more in love with my XTR wheelset... But I'm sure I'm gonna go XT on my next spec'ing. And maybe a Mojo too...
    Yeah, the Mojo is in another league from my point of view (read: another pay bracket). I've been following their popularity for a while and it seems it's well deserved. I am looking forward to seeing the results of them sponsoring a 4X/DH rider.

    But yeah, the fact that those photos show the XC version of the XT Wheelset (which are standard in the XT Build for an Ibis Mojo) being punished as such gives me confidence they'll hold out to anything I can throw at them. Of course - there's nothing saying Lopes didn't land that jump and taco both wheels ...

  75. #75
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    2
    My 2 months old XT wheelset was great until I found out I lost the nut that holds the spoke on the hub. Now my LBS told me that he doesn't carry any spares for it.

  76. #76
    ups and downs
    Reputation: rockyuphill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    15,459
    Quote Originally Posted by nuclear_powered
    I think the strength factor for the XC version of these wheelsets has just been given a minor confidence boost as seen in the photos in this thread:
    Brian Wins D.H. Race on Mojo

    (Note: Should the photos in that link not work, it is pictures of Brian Lopes hitting some dirt jumps on an Ibis Mojo with aforementioned wheelset)
    It appears that he was running Easton Havoc AM wheels at the Leapin' Lizards race.
    Attached Images Attached Images

  77. #77
    fan of maple syrup
    Reputation: nuclear_powered's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,580
    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    It appears that he was running Easton Havoc AM wheels at the Leapin' Lizards race.
    Yeah, for sure - nice looking wheels those havocs. In fact I like the whole setup on that blue Mojo too - Roco Air rear and 66ATA shock. Much tougher looking than the Pond Scum Green one below (with the aforementioned XT Wheelset)

  78. #78
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    329



  79. #79
    mtbr member
    Reputation: gticlay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    6,654
    Anyone know if you can put the XTR freehub body on there to make it even lighter

  80. #80
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dover's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    485
    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay
    Anyone know if you can put the XTR freehub body on there to make it even lighter
    yep, I've done it.

  81. #81
    mtbr member
    Reputation: gticlay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    6,654
    Quote Originally Posted by Dover
    yep, I've done it.
    Cool - you didn't happen to weigh the two did you?

  82. #82
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Dover's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    485
    sorry no, I just switched them over.

  83. #83
    mtbr member
    Reputation: gticlay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    6,654
    Quote Originally Posted by Dover
    sorry no, I just switched them over.
    Can you help me out with which freehub body works with them? Are the engagement points just in the hub body and ALL the 9 speed XTR freehubs work or does it take a certain one?

  84. #84
    ups and downs
    Reputation: rockyuphill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    15,459
    For the $172 cost of an XTR freehub body you can invest that in other parts of the bike and save more weight. The big difference between XT and XTR wheels is the light scandium rims on the XTR, and that's where the difference in rotational weight really pays off. The freehub's weight doesn't factor in to faster acceleration.

  85. #85
    mtbr member
    Reputation: gticlay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    6,654
    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    For the $172 cost of an XTR freehub body you can invest that in other parts of the bike and save more weight. The big difference between XT and XTR wheels is the light scandium rims on the XTR, and that's where the difference in rotational weight really pays off. The freehub's weight doesn't factor in to faster acceleration.
    You can get a perfectly good XTR rear hub off ebay for $50....

  86. #86
    ups and downs
    Reputation: rockyuphill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    15,459
    The 970 hubs or the older series? The freehubs aren't interchangable.

  87. #87
    mtbr member
    Reputation: gticlay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    6,654
    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill
    The 970 hubs or the older series? The freehubs aren't interchangable.
    The 965 for sure - which is why I was asking about which one fits and which one doesn't. 970 only??

  88. #88
    ups and downs
    Reputation: rockyuphill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    15,459
    The axle on the 970 series hubs are huge, so the 975 XTR wheels and the standard XTR 975 hubs use the same freehub, but they aren't backwards compatible with the 960 series hubs.

    965 rear hub parts list

    975 rear hub parts list

    975 wheel parts list

  89. #89
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    6
    Just got an XTR Wheelsets, the production date was printed with 01/28/2008 so it's quite a new batch. Will try how it is tomorrow.

    It does comes with a pair of nice looking wheelbag.

    A.W

  90. #90
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Posts
    44
    I'm looking for a new set of wheel. I have Fox Vanilla RLC in my Banshee Rune. Can I put the M776 (AM version) in my bike, considering it has a TA hub? How strong (or how weak) is the XC version? I'm a beginner, so even though I don't do high jump (nothing higher than 3'), I don't land smoothly. Will the XC version withstand light AM use?

    Thanks, and greetings from Bali.

  91. #91
    ups and downs
    Reputation: rockyuphill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    15,459
    No, you can't put the Shimano 20mm thru axle wheel on your QR Fox fork.

    The XT wheels with the QR front hub have a narrower rim (19mm instead of 21mm on the all mountain version).

    You might consider a pair of Easton Havocs if you want an All Mountain wheelset that has a convertible front hub (9mm QR or 20mm).

  92. #92
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    119
    I been on the new XT Wheels since October of 07...Let see, where do I start with this...I weight 210lbs ride XC/Light AM on an Ibis Mojo. The wheels are first rate, built quality is primo, spoke tension is fine . The only weak link is the free hub body. I have toasted 4 since late last year. Turns out that there was some bad castings from the factory on the free hub bodies. Shimano gave me the upgrade to an XTR free hub body. It's been two weeks now and so far so good. If you have a set of these wheels and ride lots of steep hills, make sure to pay close attention to any changes in free hub noise. If it gets loud when coasting a rocky down hill check for excessive play, as you are about to have a major mechanical. Shimano knows about this issue....

  93. #93
    fan of maple syrup
    Reputation: nuclear_powered's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,580
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Earth
    ... Shimano knows about this issue....
    Did you deal with a Shimano distributor directly, or the place you bought the wheels from? Reason I ask is that the place I'd get mine from (if and when I get them) is OS (UK, I'm in Aust) and I'm wondering how the replacement would work in this situation.

  94. #94
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    119
    Ok,


    You can contact Shimano directly (Europe). Make sure that they send you the replacement free hub body first! I called Shimano here in the states and they took care of the problem fast.

  95. #95
    fan of maple syrup
    Reputation: nuclear_powered's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,580
    Cool, thanks. Will keep that in mind.

  96. #96
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    54
    bit of a dig, but anyway, could do with a bit of help here!

    just got these wheels for my heckler... was wondering on how easy it is to service the hubs? particulary the rear.... the sevice guide says to replace that locking nut (the one requiring a 14mm allen key) freewheel whenever you take it off? is this needed??

    also, what grease do you guys use?

    will i be looking at a million ball bearings flying out when i remove the axel?

    thanks for your time

  97. #97
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    115
    If all you want to do is re-grease the axle bearings you won't have to remove the freewheel body. The only time you have to remove that large bolt is when you want to replace the freewheel body, and in that case you might as well order the bolt as well seeing as it's such a cheap part.

    As for grease I like to use Shimano's Dura Ace grease. It's stickier than most light greases but rolls smoother and more organically than other thick greases like Phil Waterproof grease. It's also clear green when clean, allowing you to tell immediately when it gets contaminated.

    No worries about ball bearings flying everywhere either unless you plan on taking apart the freewheel body, which isn't worth it for XT grade stuff. There's only 20 loose bearings on the drive side of the rear hub and those clump together because of all the grease. All other bearings are in retainers so there should be a minimum of flying ball bearings.

  98. #98
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    3

    Where to buy wh-776

    Hey where in the states is the best place to get this wheelset. Here in Dallas and can't seem to find a good store online or locally?
    These will be going on my new build.
    Santa cruz blur lt with vanilla 32, juicy 7's, xt m770 crank, still lookin for cassette, stem and headset.
    Thanks, Kaisertrip

  99. #99
    wuss
    Reputation: dropadrop's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    2,362
    What is the internal width of the rim on the XC wheelset? Shimano site says up to 2.25" tires, so 2.3" tires might fold?

  100. #100
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    115
    The ETRTO rim size is 559 x 19C, which is the bead seat diameter and the internal rim width. The external rim width is 23.3mm.

    As for whether you can run 2.3" tires, it depends. A "true" 2.3" would be too much, but a thin 2.4" might work. I found a fat 2.2" tire like the Bontrager ACX was too fat to be stable on them, but find 2.25" Racing Ralphs to work wonderfully. Uhh yeah... Got a specific tire in mind? Maybe someone here has experience with them.
    Last edited by greyhorse; 09-01-2008 at 04:38 PM.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Members who have read this thread: 0

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

THE SITE

ABOUT MTBR

VISIT US AT

mtbr.com and the ConsumerReview Network are business units of Invenda Corporation

(C) Copyright 1996-2018. All Rights Reserved.