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    sette razzo 2011

    More info on their website:
    http://www.settebikes.com/TwentyNinerBikes.html
    They give full specs on two razzo models. Shimano/race build $1500 and Sram/ trail build for
    $1300 (prices given at end of each video clip). Expect Pricepoint to stock them soon.
    The geometry looks identical from last year to both these models. Probably detailed info on
    other sette models listed there but I'm only looking for a 29er for now.
    Discuss!

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    Specs on the 2.0 is almost identical to the current Razzo but costs $100 more. I like the graphics of the 1.0 better although it looks rather Trek-like.

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    I liked the specs better that are on the 2.0, but I wanted to get the 1.0 because I thought it was a better looking bike. I've run Shimano all my life and wanted to try SRAM so I went with the 1.0 and saved $200 in the process. My thought process was that I'd get the bike with the components that I wanted and swap out the frame for a more name brand later. Well, the frame looks great in person and after going for a quick ride I'm starting to think that I don't need a name brand frame. I may just build my dream bike off of this frame. I have been testing a 2010 Specialized Stumpjumper and can honestly say that the specialized does not ride any better than the Razzo and it's $650 more. Sette is showing me that I've been getting robbed by the big name builders.

    Follow my Razzo progress as I spend more time with it
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    Fit?

    Quote Originally Posted by s760@yahoo.com
    I liked the specs better that are on the 2.0, but I wanted to get the 1.0 because I thought it was a better looking bike. I've run Shimano all my life and wanted to try SRAM so I went with the 1.0 and saved $200 in the process. My thought process was that I'd get the bike with the components that I wanted and swap out the frame for a more name brand later. Well, the frame looks great in person and after going for a quick ride I'm starting to think that I don't need a name brand frame. I may just build my dream bike off of this frame. I have been testing a 2010 Specialized Stumpjumper and can honestly say that the specialized does not ride any better than the Razzo and it's $650 more. Sette is showing me that I've been getting robbed by the big name builders.

    Follow my Razzo progress as I spend more time with it
    What size frame did you get and what are your height and riding inseam measurements?

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    I got the old Razzo frame last year (if geo is same). I am 6 foot with a 32 inch inseam and I ride the 18 inch frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbauer
    I got the old Razzo frame last year (if geo is same). I am 6 foot with a 32 inch inseam and I ride the 18 inch frame.
    Is 32" your true inseam or you pant inseam? True inseam should be an inch or two longer than you pant inseam.

    The reason I'm asking is because, as I was looking at the build progress pictures on your blog, I noticed quite a bit of post showing and maybe a 1-2 inch drop from your seat to the bars. I'm looking for more of an even saddle/bar height so I'm trying to find out if the Razzo will fit the bill. I'm 5'11" with a 33" true inseam, so based on what your measurements are (and assuming the picture you show is the correct seat height for you), then I'd have the seat even higher.

    Thanks again

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    It is 32.

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    If you're 5'11 or over I'd go 20".

    I'm 6' 32 inseam and the 20" fits perfectly with a 100mm stem.

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    How is the tire clearance in the rear on the Razzo? It comes with 2.1s could I clear a 2.2 or a 2.25?

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    Any rumors on a Frame only option on price-point? love the new colors, want to build a 1x9 with new and mostly spare parts.

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    PP says eventually a frame only option will be offered.

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    ordered my Medium today... can't wait to build up this spring!

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    2011 Razzo 29er frame

    Ordered my medium last night. Ordering forks and wheelset. Any suggestions on fork? Also going to run it ss.Can i run a tapered fork stem with a tappered head set with this frame?Hope to land around the 21lb mark.Still some questions to work out but will post pics as the parts come in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgalligan
    Can i run a tapered fork stem with a tappered head set with this frame?


    No tapered "steerers", 1 1/8" untapered.

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    Got mine yesterday, great looking frame, nice welds.

    The bb measured 67.46875mm. Had to add 2 spacers on each side of my gxp bbs to take up the slack so the crank side would sit flush with race. Not worried about chain line since I'm running 1x9. Sits good now, none existent play, but still taking to my lbs to have looked at for guidance on facing and have the head set installed, work that goes beyond my toolbox. The Thomson Elite post fit is very snug, which is a good thing. Lastly I'm drilling out the cable stops to run full housing. I will post pics once it's prepped. Happy Riding!

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    Razzo to the rescue

    I agree, the welds look nice on this frame. Perhaps they've read reviews. The paint job reminds me of a Gary Fisher Superfly. I needed something to begin race season with after cracking my Dos Niner frame. I miss the sofftail on the medium hits, but the stiffness of the Razzo is terrific.

    I ordered a size smaller than I normally ride in order to fit the stack height with my Lefty, and also as an experiment since it was so affordable. I really, really like how it handles in size L with a long stem and setback seatpost.
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    I'm drooling over this frame, I have been looking at frames so that I could replace my back up 24hr race bike (a Salsa Big Mama) I'm looking to build up another HT with a niner carbon fork. that's a nice looking bike I like the white wheels on it.

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    pic time! Finished the build Sat, first ride Sunday. Initial impressions are very good. Crazy light, quick under first pedal, climbs insanely fast, very stable and responsive downhill and in turns. Had some root/rock/ladder steep incline spin outs despite running the 2.25 NNs at 19 psi, but I need to get used to shifting my weight back further. Also noticed a slight hop from the saddle almost like a settling down after a harsh pump, not excessive, probably a bi-product of the low psi since wheel are true. If any interest, I can post the component list.
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    Can you post a photo of the rear tire clearance on the chainstays? Have they increased the width from the previous model. I could never put a 2.25 in mine. Thanks!

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    In riding it extensively, I haven't been too impressed with the rather atrocious flex in the bottom bracket area. Got what I paid for, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    In riding it extensively, I haven't been too impressed with the rather atrocious flex in the bottom bracket area. Got what I paid for, I guess.
    How do you notice BB flex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    How do you notice BB flex?
    Hold the bike to one side, step on a pedal and push down.

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    tire clearance. By my measurement could fit up to a true 2.4 and not rub. I have not felt any bb flex while riding, tested as suggested, no detectable movement noticed on mine.
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    Thanks for the additional photos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    Hold the bike to one side, step on a pedal and push down.
    Just curious, but how to you isolate that from tire flex as they react to your weight?
    Quote Originally Posted by ridelikeafatkid
    "MOMMY, I WANT TO RIDE LIKE THAT FAT KID!" true story.

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    Test it yourself and report your findings, or just take a look at the photo above of the chainstay width at the bottom bracket area.

    Quote Originally Posted by trboxman
    Just curious, but how to you isolate that from tire flex as they react to your weight?

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    I don't have one. I'm just trying to understand the mechanics of bottom bracket flex and how it can be isolated from existing dynamic elements like tire flex. Not trying to be argumentative just seeking some education on the topic.
    Quote Originally Posted by ridelikeafatkid
    "MOMMY, I WANT TO RIDE LIKE THAT FAT KID!" true story.

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    I've pretty much decided on the Razzo 1.0 but I just can't make myself place the order because I can't make the call on which size. This will be my first 29er so I don't have a point of reference to work from other than my 26" mtb and my road bike. I ride a 54cm road bike and a 17" mtb with a 23.25" ETT. According to the person that did the fit for my road bike, my torso/reach is a little long compared to my inseam/overall height (5' 8.5") so he put me on a 54 with a slightly longer than stock stem. Going by the Sette size chart and the geometry numbers compared to the numbers on my current mtb, I'm right on the line between the small and the medium. I'm leaning towards going the same way I did with my road bike and getting the small then changing out the stem if necessary but I want to get it right the first time. Shipping to Canada is too expensive to have to pay to send it back and have another one shipped.

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    I'm 5' 8" with longish arms and legs. I got the small and like it so far. I probably could have ridden a medium as well but the crotch clearance was getting pretty small. I went with a 110 stem instead of the 90 and I feel like I need to go with a 120. Seems shorter in the cockpit than the numbers tell. Another issue is the water bottle fit is tight with a traditional cage. I need one of those side loading cages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWP
    I've pretty much decided on the Razzo 1.0 but I just can't make myself place the order because I can't make the call on which size. This will be my first 29er so I don't have a point of reference to work from other than my 26" mtb and my road bike. I ride a 54cm road bike and a 17" mtb with a 23.25" ETT. According to the person that did the fit for my road bike, my torso/reach is a little long compared to my inseam/overall height (5' 8.5") so he put me on a 54 with a slightly longer than stock stem. Going by the Sette size chart and the geometry numbers compared to the numbers on my current mtb, I'm right on the line between the small and the medium. I'm leaning towards going the same way I did with my road bike and getting the small then changing out the stem if necessary but I want to get it right the first time. Shipping to Canada is too expensive to have to pay to send it back and have another one shipped.
    OK, I went through the same dilemma when choosing my Razzo frame. I was torn between the XL and L. All my 26 inch bikes are XL. I ended up ordering the XL Razzo. When it arrived I unboxed it and held it up next to my 26" hardtail, and instantly knew it was too big for me. The standover height is really up there and it was quite a bit longer than my other 26" frames. I returned it to Pricepoint no questions asked, and got a Large frame. (Pricepoint has very good customer service in my experience with them.) I just put the wheels/tires on for the first time the other night and the Large frame has the same standover as my XL 26 hardtail. Fits me great!

    These frames definitely run a little bigger than what you are led to believe. Just order the one you think you want and if it doesn't work out just send it back and get the other. Take care to not damage the frame when you take it out of the box because they will not allow you to return it!! Also, you will have to pay shipping/handling twice if you swap frames.

    That is my experience with the Razzo so far. After sitting on it in the garage the other night, I think it's gonna be a fun bike. Can't wait to finish the build and get on the trail. Hope this helps with your decision.

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    It helps a lot with the decision. In fact, it pretty much seals the deal for me. I'm not willing to pay the $200 Canadian shipping 3x to have it shipped, send it back and have another shipped if I get it wrong so I'm going a different direction entirely.

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    I need a new bike and the Razzo's seem like the best deal around on a 29er. Is it really worth the extra $200 to go from x7/x9 to slx/xt and only drop 100 grams overall? Also I can't find a weight for that wheelset anywhere on google, would It need upgrading? I'm trying to figure out my overall cost before ordering.

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    both drive trains are each manufactures equivalent.. but!
    sram has a hard and fast shift. its a defined Ca-Chunk! into the next gear.
    shimano is more graceful. it slips right into the next gear smoothly without a sound or much of a feel.

    i found i prefer sram. its cheaper, just as nice and i prefer the feel.

    as for the wheelset expect them to be sickeningly heavy.. you would drop over a pound with a stans set up.(keep in mind im a weight weenie and my wheels are 1300g)
    RAH!

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    The stock Razzo wheelset weighs 2200 grams. I switched to Shimano XT wheelset at 1800 grams.
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    I have the 2.0, but maybe will help. I don't know about the whole wheelset, but I did weigh the rear when I did my ghetto the other day. Straight off the bike, bone stock, the rear weighed 2600g with tire, cassette, and some dust. After the ghetto it was 2520g.

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    Anyone know if the newer Razzo frame will fit the Panaracer Rampage 2.35? My previous razzo it was just too close and would hit the chainstays unless the wheel was dead perfect. I heard some rode it successfully, but I couldn't. I now have the newer Razzo frame and wonder if I can try that tire again. I don't know if there is a difference in the chainstay width.

    I'm on my 2nd Razzo. I bought the first as an emergency replacement and I loved it. I rode it for 2 years, over 200 times a year, as a huge guy on rough trails. It finally died riding it on ice when I slipped and fell so fast and the bars hit the ground so hard the top tube broke in half ! But 2 years was actually longer than any other much costlier frame had ever lasted me, so I picked up the new one.

    I also recently picked up a complete 2.0 but was disappointed and returned it. Sure it was a great deal, but I was so used to my own build I quickly realized I wanted my own seat, drop post, bars, stem, grips, wheelset etc, that the complete bike just didn't make sense to me. I may pick up another frame to build, but I'm also considering the Salsa Spearfish as I'm not getting any younger and my body sometimes craves FS.

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    folks, maybe someone here understands and can explain the different models? the sette site is not so clear on this. I see a sette razzo 2.0, with a RS Reba fork, and a 1.0 also with a reba fork. however these bikes are sold through pricepoint, and i currently just a razzo XT, and a razzo X7. both of these run a RS Recon fork. are the bikes with the recon forks the current model? or does pricepoint only sell the previous model? The reba fork is presumably a better choice, no?

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    I believe the Razzo 1.0 and 2.0 were the model codes for the 2011 model. For 2012 they changed the names to Razzo XT and X7. It looks like they also went from the Reba to the Recon fork. I think they may have also downgraded the brakes too slightly.

    I bought by 2011 model on clearance in January 2012 for about 1100.

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    sette razzo 2011

    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails View Post
    Hold the bike to one side, step on a pedal and push down.
    My tires and wheels flex way before a BB. The only real way to test this is to mount it on a base that has no movement or flex. This pedal test is not accurate at all.

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    Razzo frame only on sale at price point today for $129, 18" and 20" sizes only:
    Sette Razzo Raw 29er Hardtail Frame | Sette | Brand | www.PricePoint.com

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    Anyone try a 120mm fork on one of these?
    Am I all zipped up?

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