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    Phantom $449

    I posted this in the good deals forum, but I thought I'd let people know that PricePoint just dropped the Phantom to $449.
    I'll try to post pictures of my build up, when I get the frame on Monday.

    I guess I'll deal with the black frame.
    Hey Jake, does this put me in to the Weight Weenie world now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowyellowCJ7
    Hey Jake, does this put me in to the Weight Weenie world now?


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    My frame arrived this morning. I can’t wait to get home from work to open the box. Happy Birthday to me!
    I will be on the verge of weight weenie, but I probably won’t cross over too far with things like filing off metal, and replacing springs with Ti, but I will try to keep a mostly Carbon theme to the bike.

    Phantom Frame (1112g)
    Fox RLC100 (1432g I wish it had a lock out)
    Crane Creek headset (109g)
    Spacers (50g?)
    Weyless stem (153g)
    Forte CTX Carbon Flat bars (126g)
    XTR derailleur, front triggers (109g)
    XTR derailleur, rear triggers (110g)
    Ergon Grips GX2 carbon (190g)
    Magura Marta SL front brakes (223g)

    Front wheel:
    Wheel/strip/stem/liquid (829g ish)
    Marta SL disk and screws (125g)
    Skewer (60g ish)
    Maxis Advantage (624g claimed)

    Fizik Aliante saddle (249g)
    Easton 90 post (153g)
    Sette post clamp (24g)
    Carbon bottle cage(29g)
    Cage screws x4 (4g)

    Cranks:
    arms/Rings (612g)
    bottom bracket (104g)


    Pedals CB Candy w/ti (259g)
    Front der FD-M971 (149g)
    Rear der RD-M960-SGS (203g)
    XTR cable housings (110g uncut)
    Sram 990 chain (280ish)

    Magura Marta SL Rear brakes (220g)

    Rear wheel:
    Wheel/strip/stem/liquid (907g ish)
    Marta SL disk and screws (125g)
    Skewer (62g)
    Maxis Advantage (624g claimed)
    Cassette CS-M970 12-34 (250g)
    Lizard skin chain guard (17g)

    Total so far 9690g or about 21.4 lbs
    This is definately heavier than I wanted, but I think lighter tires, less Stans, and a new step will get me in the 20's.
    I might have fun putting Ti parts on and add a little red bling. I'll take some pictures this weekend when I'm home during the day and as I put all the parts on for final assembly.
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    What no Carbon wheels. Your no Weight Weenie.

    Post pics I'm thinking about getting one to for a race bike.

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    Yep, I'll post pictures.
    mmmmm carbon wheels...
    I'll put those on my wish list, or maybe my pipe dream list.

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    Yea think about how the back and white one would look with thees.
    http://www.reynoldscycling.com/index...em&p_itm_pk=74

    And white Sid fork Only down side is the wheel set would be worth more then the rest of the bike.

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    I weighed the frame 1113g with the post clamp and the cage screws removed. That's a little over the claimed weight of 1080g, but I bet it's a lot less than my alluminum frame. I dropped the frame off at SVCC to have him chase the bb threads and face the bb. He will also press the headset in for me and set the bearing race on the fork. I'll take it from there. I can't wait to start building the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowyellowCJ7
    I weighed the frame 1113g with the post clamp and the cage screws removed. That's a little over the claimed weight of 1080g, but I bet it's a lot less than my alluminum frame. I dropped the frame off at SVCC to have him chase the bb threads and face the bb. He will also press the headset in for me and set the bearing race on the fork. I'll take it from there. I can't wait to start building the bike.
    I have last years (17") frame with V-brake bosses..Claimed weight was 1100 grams.
    It came in at 1112g (2,452 pounds) so I was pleased to say the least when I got it on the scale..
    I weighed it without seat post clamp, water bottle fasteners and V-brake studs.

    Good idea on getting the headset pressed in at the shop where they have all the tools to get it done right..
    I have a press but it was tight going and with it being my first carbon build I was nerves..

    I'll be looking forward to more news on your build

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    SVCC was great and got the work done by lunch yesterday, so I started on the bike last night, but I don't have any pictures here at work. I have been measuring the weight of all the parts of the build and I'm a little dissapointed with how heavy the bike is going to be. I was hoping to get the build to be around 19.5 lbs, but I'm not even close. It looks like it will be closer to 21.5. I was shocked at how heavy my wheels/tires/stans/disk combo came out. Each wheel was over 3 lbs. I'll post the weights tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowyellowCJ7
    SVCC was great and got the work done by lunch yesterday, so I started on the bike last night, but I don't have any pictures here at work. I have been measuring the weight of all the parts of the build and I'm a little dissapointed with how heavy the bike is going to be. I was hoping to get the build to be around 19.5 lbs, but I'm not even close. It looks like it will be closer to 21.5. I was shocked at how heavy my wheels/tires/stans/disk combo came out. Each wheel was over 3 lbs. I'll post the weights tonight.

    What tires, bars, and stem did you go with?

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    I was just looking at bars and stems over lunch.
    The bars I have are Forte CTX (125 ish grams)
    The stem is weyless 100mm x 25.6mm (150 ish grams)

    The tires are my mud/loose dirt tires; Maxxis Advantage (660ish g) and I think I might have a lot of Stans in there too.

    I bought a new Kenda Blue groove 2.1 and I'm not sure what rear tire to use. I'm feeling more confident with the tubeless set up, so I might reduce the amount of stans I put in there. I was using 2 oz plus 1 oz of slime, then I added another ounce before my last race.

    I have a build spreadsheet at home. I'll correct the weights when I get home.

    I'm trying to pick a new set of cranks that won't break the bank. They need to be 170mm (broke my hip/femur) and I was thinking of a 2x9 with an XTR 12-34 cassette. I was just looking at the FSA crank, but I don't know much about them. I like carbon.

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    DId anyone notice that the Phantom is now selling for $400? wow

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    do you get a price-match guarantee for their own site?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I sent an email with my online reciept and a link to the new sale price. I hope so. I'll update if I hear anything. $400 for a nice carbon frame. That's a smoke'n deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    do you get a price-match guarantee for their own site?
    Yes and I've taken advantage of that before.

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    cool
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I got a $50 store credit. I need a new stem and maybe bars. hmmmm, what would you guys spend $50 bucks on at PP?
    Most of the build list is listed above.

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    apparel, tools, bling??
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    apparel, tools, bling??
    I'm thinking bling, but I'm not sure what PricePoint has, so I might end up buying a tire.

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    TOOLz..........You can never have enough tools

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    That was sort of fun. I went to the PricePoint site for a while and went down the list of tools that I might want and added them all to my basket. It was something like $600 when I was done.
    I think I might try to find a lighter stem, then I might buy a whole set of Ti hardware. After that I might try some lighter tires. I'll check out the tire board and the weight weenie board. I'm thinking of the Stans/NoTubes tires. If it helps I ride in the area from Monterey to Redding CA. I'm not certain how this bike will be when I ride up in Lake Tahow. Most of the riding I do is small roots, some small rocks, occasional rock gardens and fast single track. I'm not the type to head off and do drops over a couple feet. I won't do them at all if they are not part of an XC race. Fire road seems to be a large portion of the races, but it is only a link to single track for me.
    I'm currently 175lbs, but last year I was 165 and I hope to get back there by winter, and hopefully 160 by next season.

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    My Cranks came yesterday, but I won't be able to work on the bike today. I think my wife would kill me if I tried to finish the bike on Mother's day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowyellowCJ7
    My Cranks came yesterday, but I won't be able to work on the bike today.
    I think my wife would kill me if I tried to finish the bike on Mother's day.
    That's a smart idea

    I really would like to see your bike done, but I can wait

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    Pictured below is my 90mm version with a titanium bolt tuning
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    ^^^ what was your total on that again Jake?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    ^^^ what was your total on that again Jake?
    $600 for the frame
    $2200 for the components

    Weight is now at 18.72 pounds (8.49 kilogram) or (8491grams)

    I could of gone lighter, but t built it to be riden daily by a 230 pound rider
    without worrying about breaking anything

    I had it below 18.5 pounds but I f'ed up my R7 MRD fork

    I'm down to 205 with gear

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    Hey Jake,
    That is the stem I was thinking of buying. Oh, and what retailer to you use to purchase your Ti?
    I've looked at a few and I've orderd a sizing tool, so I can make a list of all the screws to replace, then I just need to find a good supplier.
    Looking at your cable routing...
    I've been trying to sort out how to run the deraileur cables. It would seem that the rear cable should run down the right side of the frame and the front down the left, but that is not the best up at the bars. When I cross at the bars, then the seat post area doesn't really makes sense. I have it set up like they do on the Sette photos, but it would have been great if the internal cable routing crossed inside the frame. Oh Well, I'm sure either way works fine.

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    Cable routing on my bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Pay
    Thanks, when I measure all my bolts, I'll check those two out.

    I assume you have not had any shifting issues with the front derailleur. When I did a little pre-rout of my cables, the bend to the frame lug seemed a little unnatrual. I like the way you routed the rear cable. I'll give that a shot tonight.

    This is the picture that bugs me:

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    I got mine in at 18.2 lbs, with a total investment slightly over $2k.

    The bike rides good, its strong, light, and has just enough flex to take the edge off. It's smoking fast too. Just a little uncomfortable once the miles start to add up, but heck it's a rigid XC race bike.


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    Old School, Nice bike. I was thinking it would be cool to get a riged fork for some of the smoother XC races in the area, but I'll see how the FIT Fox works out.

    New cranks showed up and they are lighter than I expected 612g +104g for the BB. I'm getting closer to 21lbs. I've been updating the list above, but I like the cranks, so I'm adding a picture.
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    I cleaned up my garage yesterday and I'm stoked to get the build done this weekend. I hope to take it for a ride Saturday, but it will be about 5 mph with my 8yo daughter.
    I'll try to take lots of pictures as it goes together.

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    Almost done. need brake lines, bleading, and fork tube trim.
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    She's lookin' good

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    That's one nice looking bike.

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    Well, I am about done with the bike and I suffered a bit of a setback. I took it to SVCC to have the same fit numbers from my last bike fit a few months ago and Karl pointed out that the setback on the EC90 post is not desirable for me, so I need to get a post with no setback. I guess I’ll add this post to the pile of parts I need to sell after the build. I’m kind of bummed, because I was pretty excited about having a carbon post that weighed 153g. The stack of fancy parts is getting a little too big.
    On the bright side an aluminum post would give me something to clamp in the bike stand.

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    Get a Thomson they are usually liter then a carbon post.

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    The Thomson Elite post will be at my house on Monday.
    The bike is done now. I will probably take it for a little spin tomorrow. I'll probably hit the dirt with it next week. I have a road race on Monday and I can't push too hard over the weekend.
    I did a bathroom scale weight of about 21lbs with Garmin and bottle. That is about 2lbs lighter than my aluminum hard tale. I know if it was worth it when I do the climbs behind my house.
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